[Doom Eternal] Bad Weapon Academy - Full Auto Shotgun

[@cutlession1035]

Heavy's new minigun looks fucking sick. Can't wait for the update

[@blacklight683]

It's sure a big heavy update

[@skiad9162]

Who would’ve thought we’d see the heavy update being actually a thing

[@chainsawplayin]

Heavy's miniguns are basically autoshotguns anyway

[@davisdf3064]

@Poe Soul Ok hear me out Heavy Scout

[@Anonymous-73]

I’d Like a minigun that shoots shotshells

[@yharr3789]

Laugh at the full auto shotgun all you want, but if scout ever gets his hands on it he'll be unstoppable

[@Destructaconn]

Oh god... just imagining a tryhard lime scout destroying a casual server with a full auto shotgun...

[@zappodude7591]

@@Destructaconn That's just mannpower

[@Anonymous-73]

Scout: Y’know what? I’m done with being the “weakest class!” *pulls out AA-12 full auto with 50-round drum magazine*

[@yourlocalcorrectidiot927]

@@Anonymous-73 funny

[@ObsidianHunter99]

*the longer the scout is on bad water, the stronger he becomes*

[@BloodShot9001]

It was a pleasure working with you on the video, and I'm glad it turned out so well! :) I hope people remember even if people are saying the weapon is bad or worse or whatever phrase, if you're having fun using the weapon don't let the actual stats and top-level plays stop you from spray n' praying and just having fun.

[@calebkelly8221]

The man himself!

[@dr.ludwik2063]

I am really glad that the horizons of this series are widening considerably! Going beyond TF2 and discussing bad weapons from other games is, in my opinion, a step in the right direction for the series. BTW, the next one may be UAC Pistol from Doom 2016?

[@manboy4720]

jeez, that absolute pea-shooter? it's no wonder they just decided to remove it in doom eternal.

[@DaisiesTC]

Its such a confusing weapon because of how OP they made melee in the game. It would have its uses if the melee wasnt so good, but its completely negated.

[@litkale6329]

@@DaisiesTC yeah, melee is only a spacing tool anyway. Though it is worth mentioning when running through the game only with the pistol, the increased melee damage helps considerably.

[@MahtiJapponen]

I felt pistol was strong in doom 2016, too strong even.

[@whoisanarnb]

@@DaisiesTC ikr, doom 2016’s punch can send a zombie into gk, while it takes 100 punches to kill a zombie in eternal

[@wu2166]

My heart skipped a beat when I saw the thumbnail; I thought you had made Bad Weapon Academy: the Widowmaker. Edit: I may not play Doom Eternal, but this is still an awesome episode of BWA. Great work :)

[@jasperhopland8913]

same

[@jarlathquinn2628]

Same

[@hassandabo6288]

same

[@zzyxxyzz5442]

same

[@corncakes270]

Same

[@underthemayo]

Blasphemy!!! No but really, really good video. Great work to you and bloodshot. One note about Fullauto is that the reason it came out a bit underwhelming initially is that since Doom Eternal is supposed to encourage weapon variety, they were worried about fullauto actually being too strong in the early game and ending up with a lot of new players just leaning on it instead of getting the message that variety is important. So they ended up over correcting.

[@HobeyDator]

Well look at that! I suppose you are going to make an arguement video about this guy. I cant wait!

[@underthemayo]

@@HobeyDator Why? Everything in this video is accurate as far as I know. Really well presented all angles of the weapon good and bad.

[@BloodShot9001]

I definitely think Full Auto suffered from some sort of creative decisions/changes mid development, the biggest being ammo economy. While I don't think it'd outperform SSG or stickies ever, with a higher ammo account the weapon would be a lot more forgiving. What I wouldn't give to see the behind-the-scenes about the weapon design process for DE.

[@underthemayo]

@@BloodShot9001 if only no clip had been there filming and talking like they did with hades

[@moistisverydead9191]

loved your room darkest moment vid

[@ThatGuyLachlan]

Amazing work and high-quality as always Fish; also loving the direction BWA is taking, can’t wait to see what other games you explore in the future!

[@staticsfs6823]

23 hours when the video was posted 3 hours ago

[@staticsfs6823]

@e You're a bot

[@colecostie]

Zoo Tycoon BWA when?

[@_starrybun]

how did you post this a day ago

[@ZombiesWerePeopleToo]

Honestly I don't know if he plays it enough to make content about it, but Elden Ring is very topical and would be a perfect fit for this series

[@Breakaway-ic5gj]

I think the Full Auto shotty should've been a DPS based alternative to Super Shotgun which does more damage overtime instead of a finisher, it's more fitting for a minigun shotgun to shred a big demon all on its own.

[@chainsawplayin]

full auto: sustained damage SSG: burst damage (and armor if fire hook)

[@evil.zombie.]

full auto DOES shred big demons

[@simbatryhard]

full auto does do more damage than ssg if you dont know how to quickswap ssg with pb or punchswap ssg

[@BloodShot9001]

@@simbatryhard actually that's not true. Against every demon, the time to kill for SSG with speed loader is faster than the time to kill with Full Auto. Full Auto does 320 max per shot, compared to SSGs 1600. And thats assuming you hit Full Autos point blank range, which is surprisingly close. Usually you'll be doing 280 per shot. So for 2 shells you can either do 560, or 1600. Even if you fire 6 shells, with Full Auto that's 1680, barely more than SSGs 2 shells. And since most demon health is so low, 2 SSG shots is usually enough to kill, much faster than the 12+ FA shots.

[@simbatryhard]

@@BloodShot9001 zammn

[@sensibledog09]

I respect that they at least wanted to make some levels where full auto will shine above the others,it at least has a niche that the developers recognize

[@quartzskull8772]

Except when they force you to use it like with stone imps

[@evil.zombie.]

full auto shotgun absolutely shreds heavy demons and crowds of fodder, people really underestimate it.

[@quartzskull8772]

@@evil.zombie. fodder yes undamaged heavy no you just waste all your shotgun ammo

[@evil.zombie.]

@@quartzskull8772 it literally kills them faster than anything in the entire game, the top level players will whip it out when a heavy demon appears and wreck house, plus you can just chainsaw for more ammo :/

[@Slender_Man_186]

@@evil.zombie. ok but why would you ever want to waste Shotgun ammo like that when the grenade launcher is always the most efficient use of it?

[@REDNDEAD]

And here's to FSoaS's future, becoming the TRUE bad weapon connoisseur.

[@perhapsYoYo]

cheers, to a revolution!

[@AshleysBrother]

More like bad weapon ambassador

[@BigBossPW1974]

Cheers to new limits!

[@tbone2416]

@@AshleysBrother Unfortunately it's overshadowed by the

[@BigHailFan]

Btw, fun fact about the the stickies. If you kill a demon with a headshot sticky, any demons hit with explosion will take headshot damage as well.

[@sirbill_greebi3811]

My -- somewhat derpy -- rework of the full auto: The ammo refund should be built in/be a base upgrade. 1/2 ammo consumption should be a mastery. You have to fire twice so you don't have half a shell but the fire rate is doubled so it's not a hinderance.

[@BloodShot9001]

I've often suggested a balance rework would be to increase shotgun ammo capacity by 50%, make stickies cost 2 ammo and SSG cost 3 (or 4? But that seems too high). This way FA is more ammo efficient compared to the other two without changing much else about the weapon balance. I don't think this the best way to rebalance it, but it would definitely be interesting to see in practice.

[@coffee0093]

I love how it looks, in my experience it sucks until you get the mastery, then I like using it

[@Impalingthorn]

I always thought it was just me when I first started playing this game. I tuned out a lot of the talk surrounding this game because back then people still thought the Marauder was broken. But no, like, the Full Auto Mod really was just a bad Mod. It used up a ton of Ammo, the same Ammo you could be using on Sticky Bombs or Super Shotgun blasts, and despite being a "spray and pray" weapon premise it requires a lot more thought and consideration than the other weapon only made worse by the fact that it demands you get up close and personal with enemies without giving you that guaranteed stun from a Super Shotgun blast. Oh, and let's not forget: During the time of TAG 2's release, Hugo and team thought that the best way to get people to use this mod was to FORCE them to with Stone Imps. Unlike prior jumps in difficulty where tightly wound combat encounters were tightened even more and it felt ORGANIC, the addition of these gimmick enemies felt exactly like that: Annoying gimmicks that robbed you of your agency. I never bought into the criticism when people complained about Marauders. I never bought into the criticism of TAG 1's Blood Swamps or the Possessed Baron because the Microwave Beam already wasn't useless and could turn low Health enemies into immobilized nukes. But I could see their creativity heading in a sour direction with the Blood Makyrs and sure enough by TAG 2 they'd added in two lazy reskins of older Enemies; Stone Imps and Cursed Prowlers. Common theme with both enemies: They test your patience in ways that range from disgruntling to frustrating. If I had to recommend some changes, it'd be these: 1. Forget the stupid "Hold Right Trigger to ready the barrel". You bothered to equip the Full Auto Mod which consumes time. If that thing is equipped, make that fucker fire at Full Auto PASSIVELY. 2. After firing for some time, the Barrel begins overheating like the Chaingun but instead of stopping, the spread widens and Enemies hit are lit on fire to drop Armor. This way, you are rewarded to prolonged use of the weapon. 3. Up the Ammo gained from its Mastery by a TINY bit, even if the ratios go from x3/8/11 to x4/9/12.

[@evil.zombie.]

i don't get why people keep saying auto shotgun is bad, it fucks shit up super well.

[@massgunner4152]

I think half the problem comes from the fact that they nerfed the ammo capacity, it somewhat forces you to switch up your weapons to not run out quickly but also murders any intention of going spray and pray, and shotguns already had a lower ammo count so you can guess what that does to the mod.

[@vvvaire]

Even as someone who has really liked Blood Makyrs, Stone Imps, and even Cursed Prowlers from the start, I definitely agree that it'd be much better if for the next game in Eternal's style they were to try and do away with or slightly redesign those mostly polarizing enemy types. I genuinely love that Stone Imps make me lock them down with a falter so I'm not clumsily trying to burst them down with FA while they're spinning around, I love that Blood Makyrs are a constant threat I need to watch out for with one finger ready to pull out the Heavy Cannon once I hear or see them begin a heavy attack, and I even love that Cursed Prowlers are another threat you have to hunt down and take out asap lest you get locked in their game that forces you into a really weird style of play. But not everyone feels that same way, and that's fine by me. I'd love to see them come back, albeit slightly redesigned so they're not as polarizing to a general audience. Maybe Stone Imps could have a general weakness to automatic weapons rather than that one specific mod, maybe Blood Makyrs could function more like Armored Barons and their shields can be destroyed with brute force whenever you dont have time to wait for them to become vulnerable, Cursed Prowlers could inflict a slow on hit instead of completely stripping you of dashes, stuff like that. Also I definitely agree with your idea to make Full Auto grant its effects passively, I love using Full Auto, but it's admittedly silly to me that you have to do an arbitrary feeling zoom in animation before you can start unloading.

[@lucasbeck1391]

@@evil.zombie. because the sticky bombs exist Full auto just lets you waste ammo faster while sticky bombs do more damage per shot (i will admit full auto has more dps though) and have aoe

[@Impalingthorn]

Yeah, full disclosure, I was NEVER opposed to the IDEA of full auto on the shotty. On paper it is actually a super cool idea. However, I could always FEEL that there was something "off" about the way it was designed that made it feel less organic opposed to the other mods and actually somehow weaker. And a lot of it just boils down to the fact that Super Shotgun and Sticky Bombs are a far more quick, accessible, broadly applicable, and (ammo) economic option. This was my main point. That, and how ID chose to try and FORCE players to use these tools rather than make the auto shotty feel more organic and less costly kinda urked me.

[@sircatangry5864]

Best in this video is the moment when FishStick explaining why this weapon is not so bad when on backround is just blood fire hell and all of this with funny music

[@the_big_bad_reaper]

Honestly I'm happy to see this series expand out into not just TF2 this series is gonna be given new life through this

[@Vooman]

i love how Fish is such an exact gestalt of Jerma and RT right down to the move from TF2 to variety content lmao

[@kerbonaut2059]

Honestly pretty based, along with Soundsmith

[@ThePowerofCutleries]

@@kerbonaut2059 Who?

[@plastiktuten3866]

Is Fish necessarily moving to variety content? He’s always sorta been in that state, but I also doubt he’ll stop doing tf2 stuff like Jerma etc.

[@Vooman]

​@@plastiktuten3866 If TF2 becomes less and less of a focus for the channel in favor of a wider array of games, then he is, almost by definition, moving to variety content.

[@plastiktuten3866]

@@Vooman well, yeah, but when you compare him to Jerma it sorta suggests a necessary move away from tf2, like not just less of a focus but almost completely gone. But I wasn’t in the tf2 community during the Jerma years, so I’m sure my perception of the implications of saying someone’s like Jerma are at least not completely correct.

[@jesterofmardigras0688]

I’ll be honest, I thought i wasn’t gonna like this but you have proved me wrong Fish. Like by a lot as this is now one of my favorite BWA video

[@Scienceboy0]

I've been obsessed with Doom Eternal recently, it's so great to see you talking about it!

[@Flutters_Shygal]

I always use the combat shotgun with the stickybomb mod. The utility of the stickybomb far outweighs it. The combat shotgun is also my favorite weapon, because it does just enough damage on fodder to bring them into glory kill range, essentially making them mobile healthpacks.

[@spartanking9807]

i mean imo what can the sticky bomb do really that other weapons can do? precision bolt takes out weakpoints from a much better range, and all you need is a grenade for the cacodemon stagger, meaning you dont even need to weapon switch, i get that once fully upgraded the cooldown of the sticky bomb is better than the grenade, but imo i just feel like the sticky bombs utility can be done by other guns, besides, the full auto rips and tears

[@savary5050]

@@spartanking9807 I don’t even use nades on cacos, I just use arbelest. I also use the ballista to take out arachnatron turrets as well, I find it more satisfying than precision bolt.

[@spartanking9807]

@@savary5050 it may be more satisfying, but why waste ballista on smth like a weakpoint?

[@savary5050]

@@spartanking9807 I mean when its as easy as chainsawing a fodder enemy to get that ammo back I don't really see how its a waste at all. I am also playing on Nightmare btw so this is a totally viable strategy

[@joshgroban5291]

@@spartanking9807 precision bolt requires precision and also the cool down, the sticky bomb helps me take down without needing a good focus as well as shoot 2 in quick succession

[@FrostedPoke]

Oh man, I'm loving how the horizons of the channel are expanding beyond TF2, and into one of my favorite FPS games in recent memory! If I were to make a suggestion for future episodes, how about the Doom 3 Shotgun, the Doom 2016 Pistol, the Doom Eternal Unmaykr, or, if you're really feeling spicy, the Mjolnir from Quake's Scourge of Armagon mission pack. I have no idea why, but that weapon in particular feels extremely off and I find myself using the fucking _axe_ instead of Mjolnir when I run out of ammo for other weapons. No matter what, the future of BWA looks incredibly bright, and I can't wait to see what else you have in mind for this series.

[@trenchgungaming3105]

the doom 3 shotgun ain't bad

[@externalscreaming4026]

Genuinely hoping that this takes off, would love to see one on the microwave beam

[@GallowayJesse]

Microwave beam is so good

[@zacharygilmore1075]

@@GallowayJesse If your speed wasn’t reduced to that of a Brass Beast Heavy, then I might agree with you.

[@GallowayJesse]

@@zacharygilmore1075 You only need to tap enemies with it to interrupt their attacks. It's objectively good

[@fojisan2398]

AKA lemme stun this Baron while I lob 2 grenades and then freeze him and finish him off with Mobile Turret Chaingun.

[@sl_50]

ayyyyyyyyy it’s here now

[@garek56]

Honestly the sticky bomb is the most effective option because of it being able to deal with cacodemons so effectively But you've piqued my interest with this

[@simbatryhard]

i just like spemming my stickies with punchswap and killing masses of fodder

[@Man-ds9ir]

It’s best to kill cacos with arbalest. You don’t have to aim direct for the mouth, and arbalest does just enough damage to put other cacos near it in gk state.

[@simbatryhard]

@@Man-ds9ir depends on the case, sometimes you need that health, or you cant charge the arbalest, or you have dblade, or you want to use less ammo.

[@timquestionmark]

remember that frag grenade also works, though its harder to aim

[@hundinger1]

@@simbatryhard My preferred way for that is normal ballista shot, meat hook ssg, glory kill.

[@tymunster]

I like the idea that replacing ammo Salvo or whatever it's called with restoring 1 ammo whenever a shot lands at least 85% of its pellets

[@ashyone]

Great work man! Can't wait to see what games come to this series!!

[@poyloos4834]

The fact that I don’t even play doom and yet i stuck around for this really pleases me, because it tells me im not here for tf2, im here for your style of content

[@theeagleunion2949]

Even though I know nothing about Doom Enternal, your style of explanation and footage really helped me digest the information and made this a really enjoyable watch

[@plastiktuten3866]

seconded

[@Robin_Robout]

Honestly it kinda surprised me how bad this mod was compared to the burst fire from Doom 2016, which was easily one of my favorite mods in that game. Just felt like it chunked enemies.

[@veridian8042]

Honestly, seeing BWA on other weapons in other games is really nice, can't wait for more

[@nysquidz7880]

Good for you for branching out! Too many KZbinrs get stuck with only TF2 and burn out!

[@MusicalRiolu]

it is so awesome to see people who focused on tf2 branch out. good job with his one

[@johanngalland6188]

Very nice to see a Bad weapon academy on another game, plus I love Doom Eternal ! Not only this video was very interesting and complete, but we also got nice footage in the background :)

[@minerof8bits968]

I can't wait for more games to be covered! This is awesome

[@Wintergreen_]

Not gonna lie, the explosive shot from the shotgun remained one of my favorite weapons all the way through the entirety of both games, even when you have stronger options later. (just super satisfying to use) so yeah, full-auto just has lots of competition in all of its niches

[@fallingloo9930]

The opening joke was probably my favourite in the series. Kinda want the series to expand to something like Borderlands or Deep Rock Galactic or something. Not needed, but an expansion is gonna be good in the long run.

[@RedShocktrooperRST]

The problem with Borderlands is, depending on which game, how useful a given weapon is can very greatly depending on where you are in a breakthrough. THe only standout I can think of is something like BL1's Meat Grinder, which is just a worse version of a regular blue-quality Torgue support machine g un.

[@fallingloo9930]

@@RedShocktrooperRST This point is valid, and I see what you mean, some skills or equipment can make most guns good in all of the games, but some guns are just bad, and there’s no going around it. I do respect this point though, as there is truth behind it.

[@RedShocktrooperRST]

@@fallingloo9930 I suppose the biggest strike is that barring specific edge cases for BL, most guns have some utility unless you're playing UVHM or the Overpower levels. I know there are some real stinkers in Borderlands though, the ones that spring to mind are the Cursed guns from Captain Scarlet. The Stinkpot maybe? I never used that long enough to have an opinion on it.

[@fallingloo9930]

@@RedShocktrooperRST Stinkpot is actually pretty fun. You should give it another shot. *You know, if it drops again.* It’s not one of the cursed guns either. It’s a corrosive jakobs cannon, so it has pretty good damage, just no critical hits. Although I will say I never liked UVHM. It sapped the fun out for me. If you do like UVHM though, don’t go near the stinkpot. UVHM is a lot less likely to forgive you having fun with the funny stinky grenade gun.

[@Uragan00829]

@@fallingloo9930 I have some ideas for borderlands bad weapon academy: BL1: TK's wawe Bl2: Wonderlust Pre-sequel: Boxxy gun Bl3 TK's wawe again? (I haven't played it yet)

[@Upsetkiller456]

My idea for the full auto shotgun was to make it an alternative to the meme beam on a he plasma gun. This idea is the when in full auto, make it so concentrated fire on a target will actually start to PUSH them back, this would make it very handy against pressure units.

[@TRONkhfan13]

Honestly, I’d love to see Fish do a BWA on all the Telekinesis Pins in NEO: The World Ends With You. They massively fucked them over from the original, to the point I don’t plan on using them if they don’t have a Pin Evolution

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Very true. I wanna see that one.

[@athletic_milk8601]

This was awesome! I hope this means we'll get videos about weapons from other games :D

[@megamaster1610]

Oh man this is amazing! I love Doom so much, it’s so cool to see something like this on it! Maybe you could do the microwave beam next? Or a video about how the Chainsaw has conflicting design ideas, about whether it wants you to use it all the time, or to save up fuel and use it on bigger demons? Either way, I hope this video does well so you can keep branching out and making the content you want to!

[@Doglover745]

I don't really think that the chainsaw has conflicted desing. It never makes you chose one option or the other, but instead encourages you to pick the option you feel is best in the situation. This naturally leads into mastery over chainsaw usage and keeping ammo count at a healthy amount. It is often possible to use chainsaw on both fodder and heavies within the same encounter even. It can also be used to get out of bad situations thanks to it's invincibility, and speed boost (if blood fueled is equipped). So I think that the different ways of using the chainsaw compliment each other, rather than conflict.

[@doswallo]

I know very little about DOOM Eternal, and yet I was still so hyped to hear your analysis. Your style is always such a treat!

[@milotic5029]

Honestly... it’s my go-to for marauders (ssg-grenade-ballista-full auto). Outside of that? I use it sometimes for the weak demons between combat zones - but it’s outclassed by the stickies unless you’ve got the mastery. I’d say it’s not bad, just outclassed by everything but the unmakyr

[@guacodile]

didn't expect to see bloodshot on this channel, this is awesome

[@BloodShot9001]

Hey how ya doin? ;)

[@llmkursk8254]

I’ve never played a Doom game, but it was still entertaining and fun to watch another BWA, with a new game and meta to boot!

[@thescience_team]

You never WHAT?

[@jmurray1110]

You should I just picked up doom 2016 last week for a fiver at CEX and am currently secrete hunting it quite fun I’m thinking of doing some achievement hunting and intent to pick up doom eternal when I beat it (not looking forward to ultra nightmare since dying deletes your save)

[@terrariangolden6985]

Spicy meatball

[@sealessseadog2735]

god dang, why didn't Fish bless us with his buttery smooth footage? I guess it was just too good

[@loveshankme]

I'll fully admit that I never got on with Doom Eternal, but this was incredibly entertaining to watch! I'm not sure if you take requests (or even if you've played the game) but I'd be down to watch you do a video on Payday 2, specifically the Flamethrowers.

[@velocilevon]

Oh yeah, I love Payday, even if I stopped playing it an year ago, and will admit it has lots and lots of content for bad weapon academy series (especially weapons from "Special" category, like the flamethrowers you've already mentioned) xD

[@yobrethren]

Bro, flamethrowers are meta though At least in crime spree they are, but even in normal OD difficulty it's useful, because it stuns, and deals a lot of afterburn damage, it's also quite efficient with ammo capacity I'd argue a better content would be bad perk/skill academy, because PD2 has just lots of similar weapons as in 40/80/160 damage rifles, and different snipers

[@loveshankme]

@@yobrethren aren't you confusing the flamethrower with dragons breath shotgun rounds tho

[@velocilevon]

@@yobrethren I'll be honest, right now I don't know the meta in Payday, and don't really know how the weapons function now, so I'm most likely way behind the times and not gonna argue with this, lol. I do remember how I used (disclaimer: this was 2 years ago) the flamethrowers on Overkill difficulty and how satisfying and fun it was, although ammo consuming. Perks, skills and throwables (maybe also melee, but 85% of them are just memes anyway) are also a good choice for content, maybe an even better one.

[@llmkursk8254]

Honestly, Flamethrowers are an interesting topic. If you go running around like Pyro trying to melt the police force, you’ll end up dealing not that much damage. However, if you treat them like the Grimms with Dragon’s Breath, the true damage output in DoT comes into play. Plus, a method to melt shields is always a plus in my book.

[@bradleybauman3672]

Been watching for a year now, and I gotta say expanding bad weapon academy is extremely exciting. I can’t wait to see what you talk about next

[@pacothemajestic]

This video actually really helped me understand why I didn't like Doom Eternal. I always felt weird being one of the only ones. Thanks Fish.

[@papayer]

That's too bad.

[@BigHailFan]

this is a really odd reason to not like DE.

[@pacothemajestic]

​@@BigHailFan it has nothing to do with full auto, but just the way that entire enemy types are designed not with being fun in mind but to give certain weapons/mods a purpose. also that purple stuff lol

[@BigHailFan]

@@pacothemajestic you know pretty much just the spirit and stone imp are designed that way, right? (and to an extent the armored baron but that can be done with a number of weapons.)

[@cristianarreola8582]

You are not the only one. I've got a whole list of things I didn't like about Doom Eternal. I've talked to other people online who feel like us, don't feel alone. I can't tell if we're in the minority or if the community is split 50/50, but it seems like most people online prefer eternal.

[@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth]

In my eyes, the main problem with the "ammo returned on kill" thing is that it does nothing but encourage brainless "hold button until dead" application. Personally, I would've made the auto-shotgun have a uniquely high stagger against normally unflinching armoured foes at close range, and give it excellent armour-breaking capabilities. This'd give it the niche of acting like a diet single-target blood-punch and make it combo better with other weapons. Also, it'd be extreme satisfying to blast off a cyber-mancubi's armour with a full-auto shotgun salvo.

[@starmaker75]

Doom guy: so apparently making a shotgun into a machine gun wasn’t the best idea. Also this reminds how annoying low the ammo count eternal had.

[@Breakaway-ic5gj]

Chainsaw and git gud

[@Bonehead_Paladin]

This limitation was made specifically to force players to be more flexible with their weapon choices and use the chainsaw more often so that the game's sensation of power would be earned rather than straight up given to you like in doom 2016

[@tobiasgerhardt7604]

@@Bonehead_Paladin 🤓

[@alexalcalaortiz368]

@@Bonehead_Paladin and they failed! the best weapon by far is still the combat shotgun with sticky bombs

[@theblobconsumes4859]

@@alexalcalaortiz368 Not necessarily a failure in that regard, just situations where you can choose by your playstyle. You still can't solely use sticky bombs.

[@bupmcbup8080]

I'm super excited to see the series branch out into games, and I look forward to seeing what games and weapons you cover next.

[@purplehaze2358]

The full-auto shotgun has always had way worse bark than its bite. You see what is essentially an AA-12, think it’s really good, use it, and realize the devs did it dirty.

[@xeamon_cool2091]

I’ve always loved full auto. Outside of shorting grenades for specific enemies I always had it attached

[@chockie8363]

At around 3 minutes he says (basically) that its a good way to take down enemies before you get stickies and the precision bolt, but you can buy sticky bombs before you buy the auto shotgun attachment. There is honestly no real reason to use this weapon mod because its just less effective than quick swapping in both terms of damage and ammo efficiency. The only time I think the full auto mod is ever useful is in a modded level like that one map in the battle mode slaughter tour modded level where it takes away your weapons one by one until you're left with just a shotgun and a chainsaw, and even then its still more effective to just use all 5 sticky bombs and wait for them to come back because you can still destroy weak points and get maykr drone head shots. A video made by the very same BloodShot9001 called "Comparing Full Auto to its Alternatives" shows you all you really need to know about the weapon mod (Just don't use it because its slower than literally anything else) Edit: Really all you need to know is that the full auto shotgun weapon mod doesn't do enough damage fast enough. It takes 23 shells from it to kill a Barron when the super shotgun takes 10 shells to kill a Barron, even though you're getting back 9 shells from killing the Barron (assuming you have the mastery unlocked) you're still gonna be down a couple extra shells. My proposal for a buff would be making it so that if a demon is under a status effect like fire or ice gets their damage from it multiplied so it actually is able to kill something and have its mastery be useful.

[@PzOwNeD]

i have no opinions on doom eternal's weapon balancing, but watching a speedrunner show off for the length of the video while listening to a discussion of weapon balance is in fact: very nice! also "no full auto in the building" is always a good reference. :v

[@sircatangry5864]

another bad weapon is unmaykr. Its spend BFG9000 ammo faster then him but kills less enemies. And full auto shotgun is fun when u activate cheats and start RATATATATATATATATATATATATATTAATTATATATATATATATATTATATATATATATATAT (chainsaw) RATATATTATATATATATATATTATATAt

[@mihairomulus2488]

the unmaykr is bad if you use it like a plasma rifle or as a get out of jail card the unmaykr is a godsend for combos, it melts everything

[@imabox_]

8:24 Am I the only one who understood " 3 critical stickys to put a demoknight into a critical state" and taught wait wasn't this about Doom Eternal?

[@Akantorz]

I'm gonna say this: I thought the idea of FORCING players to swap to other players was dumb, but giving bonuses to players for swapping players to incentivize use would have helped. Despite that ammo change, I could still clear levels with just 2 weapons. I don't understand what the devs were thinking. I just kept playing Doom 2016, but I can't help but wonder if the credits were a good example of what was happening. Doom 2016 had different shots of Doomslayer ripping enemies apart and shooting them with credit names next to him, but Eternal had a odd slideshow like ending like it was something from a board meeting. Oh well, maybe someone can mod the dash into 2016, that would be nice.

[@valzone]

Now this is how you branch out well. This series exists on its own merits to the point where I haven't played a Doom game since the original but god damn I'm invested in seeing how to optimize this thing. Good work.

[@jimmyrustler5801]

I'm using this mod as we speak and I don't see the issue. It's pretty ridiculous once you get the ammo back on kill upgrade

[@NinjaKatzKool]

I definitely think fish on a stick is the best guy to showcase how bad weapons truly are.

[@yo-oq7ry]

I feel like the full auto shotgun isnt really that bad bcs of the ammo-back mechanic is very useful at negating the bad ammo economy enspecially against the stone imps (even tough theyre were made to make the full auto shotgun seem better) but i like it as a "funny playing weapon"

[@mewt5358]

Honestly i rhink people are so focused on being efficient they forget to have fun

[@staticsfs6823]

Is it just me or does it look like the widowmaker?

[@mrstudent9125]

May be it’s also inspired by Deus ex?

[@staticsfs6823]

@@mrstudent9125 Don't know

[@robertmartin6800]

I love your TF2 stuff, but I'm really happy to see you branching out and covering other series. Great work bb~

[@LinkDawnbringer]

"otherwise marauders would be a completely trivial encounter" That sounds like the Doom Eternal I'd rather play; I had 0 fun playing against marauders, they were not an enjoyable challenge to me.

[@zzyxxyzz5442]

no?

[@UltraJonko]

Skill issue

[@quartzskull8772]

Grenades, ballista, super shotgun and possibly rocket launcher is all you need

[@nguyenquyetthang1326]

Are you a Gaming Journalist?

[@IronWarriorBarrak]

Well done. This video is not only brilliant in its information on and around the mod, but also greatly depicts kind of mentality for and against the mod. Can’t wait to see more of your content. The only problem I have is that amount of shells returned on kill with the salvo extender mastery is wrong. The shells returned actually scale from: 3 from fodder, 6 from heavy, and 9 from super heavy. It’s a nick pick I know but the video overall is still strongly put together and great. Also nice to know people still have interest in me, I haven’t gotten much love from daddy UndertheMayo lately. He must’ve moved onto that new “full auto shotgun” in shadow warrior 3. I guess it’s true what everyone says, “Mayo just doesn’t stick for long”.

[@22burnsie]

Never played a doom game but you’re damned if you don’t think I’ll sit and listen to fish educate me on a weapon I didn’t know existed

[@aetu35]

Nice video, it definitely gave me a lot of insight on the full auto and Doom Eternal as a whole, and as a person who only knows Doom stuff from your drunk video, that's very impressive. Keep branching out, We will be sure to watch it.

[@bijibadness]

here's what I hope: I hope this video, this channel gives you the success and resources necessary to get yourself a dream computer that'll run _Doom Eternal_ (and whatever else you want) as smooth as possible. I wish you great things in the future. good luck!

[@kimgkomg]

I'll be sure to watch this video again when I finally finish Doom 2016 in 8 years and am ready to play Doom Eternal

[@dugoose777]

bad weapon academy with other games was a great way to still keep the series going. It's not called "bad tf2 weapon academy" after all.

[@cooldudemcswagcooldudemcsw4697]

Fish could not have chosen a better way to branch out than this good job as always

[@Lueserloo]

Expanding to different games is the best thing you can BWS. Looking forward to more

[@Mr.Taco1111]

It is 3:45 am for me right now and I have been spending all night doing homework. I am going to watch this anyway. You cannot stop me.

[@milliman4]

These kind of calculations I expect from a survival horror, but not Doom where you'll be slugging and collecting ammo til no end

[@samuelramirez4985]

I was not expecting this ngl but now that its about video games and not just tf2 i can only imagine the episodes to come

[@biscuitboi3561]

I was expecting an “and this is deathbattle!” At the end I’m just so used to the music being used in the background there

[@CowKirbo]

Bro the full auto shotgun is amazing especially with the mastery upgrade

[@AtomizerBaT]

This subseries seems really promising! Keep it up! I always liked how you sprinkled Doom bits into regular vids

[@WeeTheGee]

First episode that isnt about TF2, absolutely loved it keep going pal!

[@katori.mp4647]

I like that bad weapons academy is checking out different games and not just tf2, while I like the TF2 ones it's still fun to watch this and it's helpful

[@gogetaSSfive]

bro the fact this is going outside of TF2 is making me subscribe to you i fucking LOVE seeing low tier stuff beng attempted to be used and inventing new strategies for them

[@FORTNAJT.AMOGUS]

i didnt ever realized until now thst this format would work that good in the other games

[@donkeykong315]

I love this format

[@passivepyromaniac]

I actually like the idea of expanding to other games in this series Nice video man

[@refracted2500]

It’s cool to see this branch out into different games It definitely makes sense and will be cool to look at different games

[@Connor-du2lo]

Good video and I’m glad to see that your branching out. Keep going with this kind of stuff because I love it.

[@Wolf-dx1cl]

Glanced at the thumbnail, thought it was the widowmaker Clicked on it, not disappointed at all. Great job

[@wuzz111]

I have no idea what your talking about but I still find it interesting to watch, somehow.

[@Unkle_Genny]

Great video! Maybe next consider covering the Plasma Carbine from Halo Infinite, the Brute Spiker from Halo Reach, the Spartan Laser from several of the Halo games, or some other historically bad weapons from across the Halo series. Hell, practically the entirety of the magic/spells system of Skyrim is bad without mods installed, you could do a really big video covering the issues it has compared to Skyrim’s other means of combat. There’s definitely a lot you could talk about!

[@Tivallia9010]

When are we taking bad weapon academy to irl weapons? No, but seriously, the fact you are branching off to other games for bad weapon academy is great because it allows you to do other content other then tf2! Love ya stuff!!

[@leowulf5280]

My favorite suggestion to help Full Auto is kind of an expansion of it being good against stone imps, and that's making it super good anti armor in general. It would make killing Pinkies with it make sense for the mastery, since it would become an anti pinky weapon, and could also trash things like cyber mancubi and armored barons.

[@psyche_1297]

I haven't but watched a single bit of Doom content, but in the name of fairness I'll watch it. Seems interesting.

[@DizzySpark]

THANK YOU for branching out. and taking that risk.

[@nategraham1487]

Funniest thing about this weapon is the weird fov restriction made me think that mouse 2 was the dash button when I started out and skipped all the tutorials lol. Cool to see bwa expanding beyond tf2!

[@Snowmaninadesert]

its good to see you open your channel to talk about more games

[@TomasBelloXD]

First TF2, now Doom Eternal? My two favourites games combined? This feels like a blessing

[@cryptex8398]

I think taking this series to new games was the right move. You yourself made a video listing every weapon that you'll cover in tf2, and that list gets smaller every episode. Covering games other than tf2 preserves the lifespan of this series and expands the horizens of your viewers, Can't wait to see more! Also I feel obligated to recommend a weapon for an episode, so how about one for the Half Life Hornet gun?

[@iFlashboy]

Great work on your first non-TF2 video! I love doom and I’m glad to see it get some talk from you

[@crowant3717]

I love to see you branch out into new content you like to make and even if it doesn’t do as well I’m buying doom eternal right now just to better understand your video. Keep up the amazing content that YOU love