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@DLSaga
@DLSaga 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching today's Dragonlance Setting video. What do you think about Fistandantilus? With such a long and rich backstory, do you think he deserves more written about him and his earlier experiences? Leave a comment below.
@rcschmidt668
@rcschmidt668 3 жыл бұрын
Fistandantilus is the #1 dark mage of his era, perhaps as strong as any mage prior to the Cataclysm. It goes to show just how powerful Raistlin was to challenge him. But even the most mighty can fall to the machinations of the small. A certain gnome with his Kender friend! 🤓
@StevenMichaelCunningham
@StevenMichaelCunningham 11 ай бұрын
♦️♥️♠️♣️🃏🃏🃏🃏 ✨👣🥷🏻
@MarcAMARIAS
@MarcAMARIAS 3 жыл бұрын
I love the complexity of the relation between Rainstlin and Fist...😊
@fleetcenturion
@fleetcenturion 3 жыл бұрын
Raistlin was the first multi-classed warlock, decades before warlocks were even a thing. His quest for Fistandantilus' spellbook in Xak Tsaroth is even the perfect 3rd level warlock Pact of the Tome quest.
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 3 жыл бұрын
Yea! It would be frustrating to think you have a weak willed vessel as Fistandantulus only to find out it’s Raistlin Majere. Doh!
@DrEllert
@DrEllert 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine planning for 200 years... just so a gnome would come by and ruin it all. GNOMES!
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 3 жыл бұрын
No wonder he’s a crotchety evil litch. Right? Lol
@Nastyn1nja808
@Nastyn1nja808 2 жыл бұрын
Hahahahahahahahaha
@morningstar6506
@morningstar6506 2 жыл бұрын
In all fairness, it was the only device they ever made that actually worked 💪, lol
@ih7729
@ih7729 2 жыл бұрын
Gnomes are Dwarfs that couldn't cut it and had to take a telemarketing job. Gnomes suck, I can make my own fkn lightning jars.
@boom2278
@boom2278 2 жыл бұрын
howdareyoudissthegnomesmyfriendTasselhoffwouldturninFlintsgrave ;-)
@makdrumz
@makdrumz 9 ай бұрын
I believe that Fistandantilus and Raistlin are one and the same person. They must be entangled in some kind of timeloop. Even when Raistlin went back in time, we don't actually know who won the contest. It all starts with Raistlin being born, raised, passing the test, marked by Fistandantilus, blah blah blah goes back in times, merges with Fistandantilus, does not know if he is Raist or Fist and the loop happens again. At least this is what I believe from the material I 'very read so far!
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 9 ай бұрын
Nice! That’s how the authors dealt when they finished writing Legends. They have since come to a more firm conclusion.
@myrtislockett7792
@myrtislockett7792 2 жыл бұрын
You can say what you want but Fistadantilus is one of the coolest character name ever.
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 2 жыл бұрын
Fair enough.
@thinkpadBentnoseTheBlind
@thinkpadBentnoseTheBlind Жыл бұрын
Simply put, Rasitlin could never have become what he did without fooling one better than him.
@myrtislockett7792
@myrtislockett7792 Жыл бұрын
@@thinkpadBentnoseTheBlind I would say finding Fistandantilus' spell book was a game changer. Still I think it was awesome the way it worked out.
@jedimonk362
@jedimonk362 2 жыл бұрын
I used to scrawl fistandantalus on random walls in brooklyn when I was young
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 2 жыл бұрын
Lol, it would be funny if people thought there was a gang named that lol
@Argonova
@Argonova 3 жыл бұрын
As one of the people who initially suggested it via comment, I'm very glad that you made this video about my favorite character in the books. You did an excellent job of getting all the lore details right, even though you did miss the events of the novel Fistandantilus Reborn (which is probably for the best, since that book deals with wonky alternate timelines and it is probably not even canon). That said, the ending of Dragons of an Hourglass Mage is something you might bring up in some future video, since it re-writes the ultimate fate of this character in a way that I'm not sure many fans liked, and it finally closes the loop begun by Tass in the Abyss, when he told the Queen of Darkness everything. She does indeed send Fistandanilus back through the Istar portal, granting him a body once again and a bloodstone (don't know if it was the original or a new one). She does this at exactly the right moment to change her loss into a win, at the cost of creating a massive time paradox. The outcome of this action raises all sorts of headache inducing questions about Raistlin as a character in the Legend books, and why he does some of the things he does, which now make absolutely no sense.
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 3 жыл бұрын
I will do a show on Raistlin sometime, but I have to spend time on that one since it is so close to everyone's heart. I will have to look into the end of Hourglass Mage, because I don't recall the notes you made about Takhisis bringing Fistandantilus back. Thank you for the suggestion, notes and for watching!
@robinsearles5771
@robinsearles5771 2 жыл бұрын
So great that he picked the ONE SORCERER...who would mess everything up 😂. Great episode. Love it. Glad to have joined as a member.
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 2 жыл бұрын
I’m glad you enjoyed it! Welcome to the channel.
@SkullCowboy333
@SkullCowboy333 3 жыл бұрын
The second greatest mage in Dragonlance, this is great. Thank you for this.
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 3 жыл бұрын
He was #1 for thousands of years... then came Raistlin Majere...
@echoeberle6624
@echoeberle6624 3 жыл бұрын
Everybody point and laugh at Fistandantilus for getting exploded because of a gnome device
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 3 жыл бұрын
Worst.Day.Ever.
@robertgoode6713
@robertgoode6713 2 жыл бұрын
Avoid the rocket boots
@aaronmcmillen8140
@aaronmcmillen8140 2 жыл бұрын
He should have warded his lair against gnomes. His downfall was a lack of foresight. Lol. Dumb wizard. 🤪
@gdubsterz1238
@gdubsterz1238 2 жыл бұрын
Nice to hear someone pronounce it correctly. This was my favorite part of the legends volumes.
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@johansmallberries9874
@johansmallberries9874 2 жыл бұрын
You can always trust a dead, ancient, evil wizard to just take *a little* of your life force. *just enough* to get by, I swear.
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 2 жыл бұрын
Lol exactly right. What could go wrong?
@mattcarafa210
@mattcarafa210 2 жыл бұрын
Yes,Raistlin would be who he was without fis, but might not have survived the test, he made his own spell books at the end but maybe he would not have all that power with out fis, never mind the dragon orb that gave him troubles with having fis helping him out from time to time when he was in danger, cyan bloodbane would have probably ate him, if he made it that far. And then there’s lord soth the death night probably wouldn’t have bowed to him, instead probably would have tried power word kill
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 2 жыл бұрын
Yea. Lol I’d like to see a ‘what if?’ Anthology come out to address some of these ideas.
@shanezielinski7418
@shanezielinski7418 3 жыл бұрын
Its actually the complexity of this, and the fact I am 'rusty' (and just jumping back in after 25 years) that makes this topic the one single I would never dare to comment on with input, on social media - But thanks for the video!
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 3 жыл бұрын
I am dreading making a Raistlin video just because of the internet, lol
@shanezielinski7418
@shanezielinski7418 3 жыл бұрын
@@DLSaga I could ONLY imagine.
@ASMRChess
@ASMRChess Жыл бұрын
Your Raistlin video rocks though
@gemmel3197
@gemmel3197 2 жыл бұрын
Only discovered you today, I like your content.
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for stopping by. I have a ton of content on the channel.
@GUNDAMURX73
@GUNDAMURX73 Жыл бұрын
I'm planning on adding Fistandantilus as a warlock patron for Shadow of the Dragon Queen, and this was a great referesher! He's even called out as an option for the Undying patron in the SCAG, so our warlock is in for some interesting times...
@DLSaga
@DLSaga Жыл бұрын
Oh boy lol that’s cool
@spiralinglight
@spiralinglight 2 жыл бұрын
fistandantilus was the palpatine of his franchise
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 2 жыл бұрын
for sure! That lich would've lived forever if it weren't for Raistlin. Wait, does that make Raistlin Rey? oh no!
@duvanok3277
@duvanok3277 2 жыл бұрын
So glad I found this channel. I am in love with all things Dragonlance, such an amazing time in my life when I read these books and first got in to roleplaying. Have you done a video on Solace yet, it's founding and history? Or why the heck Vallenwood trees grow so big? I'd love to hear it.
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 2 жыл бұрын
I haven’t, good idea!
@benriffle104
@benriffle104 2 жыл бұрын
Love this character, just wish the book about him was more... About him.
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 2 жыл бұрын
I haven't read it yet because it wasn't about him.
@realism51
@realism51 2 жыл бұрын
We really need a dragon Lance saga movie series
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely!
@aaronmcmillen8140
@aaronmcmillen8140 2 жыл бұрын
As long as it's better than that atrocity that was the animated *Dragons of Autumn Twilight* thing from my childhood. *involuntary shudder at the memory*
@justin188541
@justin188541 Жыл бұрын
NOT BY HOLLYWOOD. Not one character would be recognizable. I do not need to see Phoebe Waller Bridge as Raistlin.
@curtisweber5257
@curtisweber5257 Күн бұрын
Nope. Just 2 movies. Stormblade and The legend of Huma.
@thomasrobson6370
@thomasrobson6370 3 жыл бұрын
DragonLance RULES 😁
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching!
@thomasrobson6370
@thomasrobson6370 3 жыл бұрын
@@DLSaga your the only one talking about dragonlance; keep it up, it's nice nostalgia of my 1980's gaming years 😁
@Charlotte_WilliamsFYTG
@Charlotte_WilliamsFYTG 3 жыл бұрын
In Raistlin's defense Dark Elves were always op as all get out. Dang Mary Sue characters the whole lot of them.
@aedwardsss
@aedwardsss 3 жыл бұрын
Unless they died lol. Rezzing an elf in 1st and 2nd edition was really sad sometimes
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 3 жыл бұрын
Lol, tell me how you really feel.
@DaVeO52
@DaVeO52 3 жыл бұрын
Dark Elves in DL vs their Forgotten Realms cousins are vastly different though. The Dark Elf moniker in DL is more of a mark of shame, not a seperate race like Drizzt's folk. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
@peterwhitcomb8315
@peterwhitcomb8315 2 жыл бұрын
@@DaVeO52 Correct, Drow didn't exist in DL. Dark Elves were elves who worshiped evil deities or took non-white robes after the test.
@MrReevez
@MrReevez 2 жыл бұрын
If I'm not misremembering the timeline, fistandantalis was established as a lich before vecna, and much of vecnas later story as a lich turned God comes across as a fistandantalis "what if"
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 2 жыл бұрын
I know nothing of vecna, but it sounds cool!
@MrReevez
@MrReevez 2 жыл бұрын
@@DLSaga the earliest references the vecna in the grayhawk setting are just his artifacts. The eye of vecna, the hand of vecna. He was originally described as just an ancient sorcerer, it wasn't till later that he becomes a lich and then eventually kills and supplants a god if I remember.
@knines4280
@knines4280 11 ай бұрын
At one point, before Parsalian sent Caramon back in time, he spoke with Ladonna, head of the black robes. They discussed a staff owned by Fistandantilus: & they use a "Prism" to "see" the owner. Again, they say nothing, but Ladonnas' concern, is not brought up again. I DOUBT she ever met "Fist", but we ALL know she met Raist'! All circumstantial, I admit, however......... 🙂
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 11 ай бұрын
Nice. I always assumed every leader in the conclave of wizards knew about Fist.
@knines4280
@knines4280 11 ай бұрын
@@DLSaga knew OF him, but how many had "SEEN" him? & I think I fudged a bit. The "Prism" was used to project the time spell...... But I KNOW they did a spell on the staff.....
@charlieocho2367
@charlieocho2367 3 жыл бұрын
The master of past and present wore all 3 robes, also I believe that Fistandantilus won the battle of Raistlins body but the spell didn't work as he had planned. The clue to this is in the title of the book the soulforge. The spell forged the souls of both Fistandantilus and Raistlin together creating a hybrid essence. Also this is foreshadowed in the original trilogy where Raistlin explains that he and Caramon were one being cursed in two bodies he with the intelligence and no physical power and Caramon the opposite
@fleetcenturion
@fleetcenturion 3 жыл бұрын
Technically, Raistilin _did_ wear the White Robes as well at one point. You're forgetting about the Night of the Eye, when he was a kid.
@charlieocho2367
@charlieocho2367 3 жыл бұрын
I believe the proficy of the master of present and past was written about Fistandantilus not Raistlin. You are right Raistlin was a white robe previous to the test, as apprentices wear the robe of their sponsor who was a white robe.
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 3 жыл бұрын
Yea. I liked the annotation in Time of the Twins where Margaret Weis said they didn’t even know if Raistin or Fistandantilus won.
@JB-mm5ff
@JB-mm5ff 2 жыл бұрын
@@charlieocho2367 Yeah. It's possible Raistlin is the "Present" and Fist represents the "Past"
@ronerlich855
@ronerlich855 20 күн бұрын
Thank you very much for all the information and the movie. I would like to know, in which book did Raistlin and Fistandantilus fight with the bloodstone?
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 20 күн бұрын
It was in the Legends trilogy.
@ronerlich855
@ronerlich855 20 күн бұрын
@@DLSaga Can you please be more specific? What is the name of the book?
@hounddog3476
@hounddog3476 2 жыл бұрын
Ultima Online is the place where we still do DnD. Come join us on Atlantic or Siege Perilous shard!!!
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 2 жыл бұрын
I can’t believe that game is still going…
@marcussmith4913
@marcussmith4913 Жыл бұрын
@@DLSaga you and me both
@BlueTheChannel
@BlueTheChannel 3 ай бұрын
So this is the inspiration for Fistandia in The Joy of Extradimensional Spaces? I never knew and there were no mentions of this when I searched online back when Candlekeep Mysteries was released.
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 3 ай бұрын
I have no idea what you are referring to.
@BlueTheChannel
@BlueTheChannel 3 ай бұрын
@@DLSaga there's a DND 5e module called Candlekeep Mysteries that has an adventure called The Joy of Extradimensional Spaces. In it, you explore a magical mansion abandoned by a powerful mage named Fistandia. Her details and whereabouts are left completely up to the DM. I assumed Fistandia was an established DND character but had no luck Googling anything about her back when the module was released in 2021.
@RyllenKriel
@RyllenKriel 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if after all his years of study and extended life Fist is jealous of Bigby's spells...
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 2 жыл бұрын
lol, probably pissed this frail victim he was draining the life out of beat his a$$
@justsurfin5013
@justsurfin5013 Жыл бұрын
Cool, now I need to go back and read the Twins trilogy. I thought Raistlin defeated Fistandantilus when he became the Master of past, present and future. I may have been wrong.
@DLSaga
@DLSaga Жыл бұрын
He did, but when he did, the authors weren’t initially sure who won, eventually they landed on Raistlin though.
@troyanderson8879
@troyanderson8879 2 жыл бұрын
Question as to if Raistlin would be different or the same without the merge of Fistandantilus... from what I read; or thought I read, is that Raistlin would have died during the test with the Dark Elf. However, if that isn't true... then who knows.
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 2 жыл бұрын
There a few different versions of his test written. I’m The Soulforge it’s mentioned that he could’ve survived but it would’ve been close. The narrative you share is common on the other versions.
@troyanderson8879
@troyanderson8879 2 жыл бұрын
@@DLSaga I was wondering if there were different versions. My frame of reference is simply the chronicles and legends and now doing the forgotten chronicles second book now. So… I have a ways to go. Plus… I was going off of memory which isn’t reliable coming from me anyway. Thank you for clarifying! I have enjoyed the 2 videos that I have seen so far. It makes it more fun to read the books with these awesome character summaries.
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 2 жыл бұрын
@@troyanderson8879 Thank you for watching the videos, and I hope I didn't come off as a lore nazi lol. I try to answer every comment and I tend to be straight to the point about things. I honestly believe that however anyone percieves DL is right. It's all supposed to be fun, and if something works for you and not me, more power to you! (and vice versa) Have a great day!
@troyanderson8879
@troyanderson8879 2 жыл бұрын
@@DLSaga I felt that you are very open and accepting and unassuming. I actually had no idea that there were different versions on some of the details. I was sort of hoping most things were definitive and tied together better. But I can enjoy these stories either way.
@blue7lvn245
@blue7lvn245 2 жыл бұрын
Do I not remember the books from the war of twins ect... But aent fist, basically raisitlin
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 2 жыл бұрын
At the end of the twins series, not even the authors know who won, until Raist sacrificed himself. Something Fisty never would have.
@JoeChrisMorris
@JoeChrisMorris 10 ай бұрын
Original timeline Poor Pheragus and Denubis
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@lorensoth4365
@lorensoth4365 2 жыл бұрын
There needs to be a part 2. Great video. The other thing he is still around, as he did the whole "Horcux" thing. A mirror and belt had his essence, that possessed people. In the lost chronicles he is sort of trapped in a Dragon Orb, yet he constantly strived to kill Raistlin. Its assumed he finally met his demise, but given he hid his soul in parts....he might be out there... just waiting.
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 2 жыл бұрын
Without a reference for lore its just fan speculation.
@aedwardsss
@aedwardsss Ай бұрын
Sadly knowing that the wizard who cursed the tower was manipulated by Fisty makes his sacrifice less noble. When I heard what the wizard did, I was awed by his dedication. Now I know he was just a pawn.
@DLSaga
@DLSaga Ай бұрын
Thanks for watching! I enjoy learning more about these characters, even if you end up being slightly disappointed.
@aedwardsss
@aedwardsss Ай бұрын
@@DLSaga of course! Being disappointed or sad or angry means that there’s an emotion behind it and that shows that the story is beloved. I never lose interest but rather gain a little more love.
@generaldvw
@generaldvw 2 жыл бұрын
What about Galan Dracos?
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 2 жыл бұрын
There’s not a lot of information about him, and no imagery. That would be a tough one to make.
@generaldvw
@generaldvw 2 жыл бұрын
@@DLSaga I have always thought it was the coolest name😊
@Z1gguratVert1go
@Z1gguratVert1go 2 жыл бұрын
Back in 1st and 2nd edition, Sorcerer And wizard were interchangeable. Butt in Third Edition and forward they're two different things. Wouldn't fistandantilus have been a wizard?
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 2 жыл бұрын
I think its all semantics. The game mechanics were ignored in the novels after Winters Night.
@Z1gguratVert1go
@Z1gguratVert1go 2 жыл бұрын
@@DLSaga You're right it is semantics, in a funny way. Back then it was interchangeable, now it's not because editions change things. The way I would handle it is this: No sorcerers on Krynn. They just don't happen there. Thus anybody called a sorcerer is just a wizard, like D&D used to be until 3E. Besides, if we allow everything in every world then every world is the same. In order to make worlds distinctive, you have to be willing to say no from time to time. I handled this paradox for our Forgotten Realms game by saying that wizards and sorcerers have been around for a while but commoners (and indeed anybody who has no ranks in the Spellcraft skill) can't tell the difference. Also we decided that sorcerers are far less numerous because anybody with a bit of brains and the will can become a wizard for at least a level or two, while sorcery is in the blood and a "recessive trait" at that.
@LoyaFrostwind
@LoyaFrostwind Жыл бұрын
​@@Z1gguratVert1goJedi & Sith were also considered sorcerers even though they seem more psionic or druidic.
@roguedexx938
@roguedexx938 2 жыл бұрын
Fisty….the Pallpatine of Dragonlance
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 2 жыл бұрын
Lol yep
@JodieAdam
@JodieAdam 3 жыл бұрын
Where is this history taken from?
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 3 жыл бұрын
I noted it in the show, it's from the various D&D edition Dragonlance sourcebooks including Towers of High Sorcery, Mists of Krynn Accessory, and the Dragonlance WIki.
@marcussmith4913
@marcussmith4913 Жыл бұрын
the greatest books every written... Dragon Lance series. at least it was the greatest at age 10
@markomarko494
@markomarko494 2 жыл бұрын
AMAZON: make Dragonlance a M rated animated series. Please!
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 2 жыл бұрын
Oh yea....
@mattice9083
@mattice9083 Жыл бұрын
They borked rings of power. Hopefully Joe manganilio does the series justice
@mightymulatto3000
@mightymulatto3000 Жыл бұрын
I thought Raistlin's plan was entirely original.
@DLSaga
@DLSaga Жыл бұрын
It was entertaining!
@cuckmckneelburg1st222
@cuckmckneelburg1st222 3 жыл бұрын
From what i understand raistlin would've probably remained a red robe had he not accepted the offer if he had defeated the dark elf ..also I believe raistlin had beaten fistandanilus in control over his body though with great cost replacing him as krynns greatest mage (after he did take on takhisis in battle) what confuses me a bit is the both 1e and 2e stats , in the module and tales of the lance box set it lists raistlin int as 17 and fists as 18 yet clearly raistlin outsmarted him , in order to cast the highest lvl spells one must have an 18 int ,how did raistlin his int ? Through his link with fist?
@fleetcenturion
@fleetcenturion 3 жыл бұрын
There are a _lot_ of inconsistencies with the novels and the game stats. Going by DragonLance Adventures, Raistlin wouldn't have had access to many of his signature spells. My conclusion is that it was all bunk, and the game designers had no idea what they were doing. They also wanted to deliberately nerf Black Robe wizards, after just finishing a book series where everyone ended up cheering for the bad guy.
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 3 жыл бұрын
Keep in mind that the authors stopped relying on AD&D after the first novel and stopped referencing the modules after the second novel. They made the game designers try to make sense of their story, so I wouldn’t try to make gaming sense of it.
@cuckmckneelburg1st222
@cuckmckneelburg1st222 3 жыл бұрын
@@DLSaga oh I agree with you , it's kinda a force of habit .in the forgotten realms books (drizzt a favorite) they seem to adhere to the rules better , it's what frustrated me about dragonlance novels until I just let go and enjoyed them for what they are
@cuckmckneelburg1st222
@cuckmckneelburg1st222 3 жыл бұрын
@@fleetcenturion agree as well , my friends and I would modify the stats to fit the character better from the novel in our dragonlance adventures
@2Treesandahorse
@2Treesandahorse 2 жыл бұрын
when he was created sorcerers didn't exist in d and d just magic users.
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 2 жыл бұрын
The name was interchangeable for D&D wizards till SAGA/3rd edition+
@2Treesandahorse
@2Treesandahorse 2 жыл бұрын
@@DLSagabut only at 9th level 1st ed, i just checked.
@adamwhite7540
@adamwhite7540 11 күн бұрын
Greater then Elminster tho?
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 11 күн бұрын
I don't know enough about Elminister to say.
@adamwhite7540
@adamwhite7540 11 күн бұрын
@@DLSaga if YOU don't know about Elminster what chance do the rest of us haz
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 11 күн бұрын
@ to be fair, Elminister is the Forgotten Realms, and I’m a Dragonlance fan.
@adamwhite7540
@adamwhite7540 10 күн бұрын
@@DLSaga Morgul said: Having played extensively in Forgotten Realms and Dragonlance, with access to the stats of both characters in question, I would like to weigh in. I literally just made an account to do so. Raistlin is the superior magic user. Elminster is the stronger character. Still doesn't say who would win in a fight though. As I recall Raistlin was a level 27-29 magic user in 3.5. Elminster was like 32ish...? I'm too lazy to drag out the books right now. What I do recall is Elminster also had a couple of fighter levels, cleric, and rogue. While these are tricks that help in a fight, they detract from his competency in magic(not to say he isn't awesome). Also, not due to power settings but character preference, Elminser was a magic item whore. Decked out from head to toe. Raistlin personally detested mages who overly relied on magic items. Like Elminster. So he kept his to a minium so as to rely solely upon his own abilities. Elminter gets further boosts being a Chosen of Mystra; Raistlin killed his gods(ALL of them) in an alternate timeline and they never forgave him that fact. So Elminster gets an advantage there as well. Returning to the subject of magic items again, just because Raistlin was disdainful doesn't mean he was foolish. The artifact Staff of Magius, and the Orb of Dragonkind just to name a few. With an endless army of dragons and the likes of Wyrms like Cyan Bloodbane and Whisper, he could do much to weaken his worthy adversary long before he ever cast a single spell. People have also touted Elminster's long history of kicking ass and taking names. Nothing has been said of his ability to chew bubblegum, though. Raistlin actually wins this argument in the form of two things: the Bloodstone, and Fistandantilus. Raistlin absorbed Fistandantilus through the Bloodstone, which also possesses healing properties so that's useful, jumping his effective time on Krynn to close to the 3000 year mark as I recall. Again, too lazy to grab the books. Raistlin's abilities as the Master of Past and Present allow him to see the flow of time in the past , present and future and adjust accordingly. He references this fact in Dragons of a Summer Flame. So he has a bit of an upswing there. Also, like Chosen of Mystra, Master of the Tower of High Sorcery is also a template with some neat perks, so he's not deficient there either. Long story short, who wins? It depends really on where they are fighting. In Forgotten Realms? Elminster. In Dragonlance? Raistlin. Somewhere else? THAT is the fight of the century my friends. Nice post, and pretty much what I've settled for now, too - I don't think it's a question of either's power - either could obliterate the other after an exhausting contest of raw magical power. If Raist were to conflict Elminster on Abeir-Toril, the resources Elminster has at his disposal (including the favor of gods) would likely result in Raist's defeat, no-matter the nature of the conflict, (i.e., be it chance encounter or stretched out campaign ). Were the shoe on the other foot, however (i.e. Elmisnter challenging Raist on Krynn), Raistlin would undoubtedly win through. This has been a great conversation! Thank you all for your input! :smile: Is it okay to call it a draw? :wink: forums.beamdog.com/discussion/35017/raistlin-majere-vs-elminster
@aedwardsss
@aedwardsss 3 жыл бұрын
The only character that comes close to the evil is Renard
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t know who you are referring to.
@aedwardsss
@aedwardsss 3 жыл бұрын
@@DLSaga Huma’s plague zombie uncle
@chrisclark5959
@chrisclark5959 3 жыл бұрын
Raistlin may have been more ambitious than he was
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 3 жыл бұрын
Oh yes... Next week I will talk about him.
@myrtislockett7792
@myrtislockett7792 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah but Fistadantilus paved the way for Raistlin. When they merged bodies I believe it actually healed Raistlin's physical handicaps. Truly an ingenious move. You know Raistlin was favored by the Gods and totally a dungeon master's pet.
@pstandlee
@pstandlee 3 жыл бұрын
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@DLSaga
@DLSaga 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@DarknessovHezrou
@DarknessovHezrou 9 ай бұрын
If Raistlin was actually ol Fisty, He would have finished the job. That is , brought Takhisis to Krynn in Physical form and Killed her. her death being the direct result of the extinction of all or most of the life on Krynn.... As the story is told we all know what actually happened......
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 9 ай бұрын
The authors are the ones who said they didn’t know.
@chrisdobbins4436
@chrisdobbins4436 7 ай бұрын
Fistandantilus won the physical fight with Raistlin. However Raistlin's personality overpowered Fistandatilus. How do i know this it tells u in the twins saga if u just pay attention. First off after there mage dual an one of them is absorbed its says first he is filled with lifetimes of knowledge not in those words of course but u get the point. Then it says all these other memory's flood in clearly Rastlin's then his says who am i. Now when he visits Astinus in the library of Palanthas he straight up tells him who won the mage dual. In the end he when Caramon comes to him in the portal showing him what his future truly holds he looks inside himself to find something an he does. That is the good still inside of him from Caramon Tanis an all the others Fistandantilus had lived so long become so evil what good was in him died century's ago. That attachment an love within Rastlin he keep buried through his ambition an lust for power as for why his personality came out on top. There are clear clues to the good an love still within him through out the books like how he treated Bupu. Fistandantilus as i say his heart was empty his soul was black as night Rasilins will and that spark of love an goodness took over as dominate personalty. So in the end he is both Raistlin an Fistandantilus.
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
@cristix11
@cristix11 4 ай бұрын
i don't think it was love that stopped raistlin. it was the logic of seeing how he destroys what he wants to rule. that's why caramon knew he had to let raistlin know where he would end up. he ends up alone, truly letting the darkness in him (his darkness was greater than takhisis' darkness) destroy everything.
@IrvinReedTemplarUp
@IrvinReedTemplarUp 2 жыл бұрын
If Fistandantilis is Yuuki, Raistlin is Lord Rimuru. 🤣
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 2 жыл бұрын
I do not know these references.
@IrvinReedTemplarUp
@IrvinReedTemplarUp 2 жыл бұрын
@@DLSaga "That Time I Got Reincarnated As A Slime" anime reference
@ajdembroski7529
@ajdembroski7529 2 жыл бұрын
OMG YOU PRONOUNCE EVERYTHING WRONG!!! I'm kidding, I love your channel! BUT YOU PRONOUNCE EVERYTHING WRONG!
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 2 жыл бұрын
Hahah thanks for watching
@ndidontagree
@ndidontagree Жыл бұрын
1🇺🇸🌈🌲💪🥷🏽🏈 he's an excellent pair of shoes...
@DLSaga
@DLSaga Жыл бұрын
Lol I do not know this reference.
@ivanklyuev4990
@ivanklyuev4990 Жыл бұрын
СМЕРТЬ
@DLSaga
@DLSaga Жыл бұрын
He is the epitome of undeath, or refusal to die.
@arashabdullahdawudcharlton5548
@arashabdullahdawudcharlton5548 2 жыл бұрын
Is this Adam Cambell narrorating
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 2 жыл бұрын
You will have to be more specific. There are a TON of men with that name.
@bryanmunroe4593
@bryanmunroe4593 3 жыл бұрын
Can we talk of how ridiculous this name is...like it does not instill the fear of darkness in me lol.
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 3 жыл бұрын
Yea, I wonder if it was ever shortened by his close friends, if he ever had close friends. I would call him Fist till he blasted me with a lightening bolt.
@bryanmunroe4593
@bryanmunroe4593 3 жыл бұрын
@@DLSaga "Fisty" from that Family Guy episode comes to mind hahaha, keep up the good content my man!
@nonnayerbusiness7704
@nonnayerbusiness7704 3 жыл бұрын
Really, I thought it is one of the great wizards names to come out of D&D.
@bryanmunroe4593
@bryanmunroe4593 3 жыл бұрын
@@nonnayerbusiness7704 just doesnt roll off the tounge, ya know. For me, the name lessened the intensity of the character...no hate though, just critique.
@brianmcmeat1306
@brianmcmeat1306 3 жыл бұрын
Hate how you pronounce "Fistandantilus".
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 3 жыл бұрын
How do you pronounce it? I’ve never heard another way.
@hounddog3476
@hounddog3476 2 жыл бұрын
The "i" after the T made it sound like the a in dante'. To me at least. I play ultima online this kind of stuff comes up all the time. English is mostly latin derivatives as im sure we all know.
@ZyloxDragon1
@ZyloxDragon1 3 жыл бұрын
The gamer in me wants to know how much XP Fistandantilus (or Gnimsh) would have gotten for that explosion.
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 3 жыл бұрын
I think it would've been Gnimsh.
@MietoK
@MietoK 3 жыл бұрын
Enough to get one level :) Back in the old times maximum amount you could get was 1 level and then enough to be 1 xp down from the second level. So after this massive explosion adventurer could search for a rat to kill and gain second level. But of course all this depends of DM.
@lepantspants5058
@lepantspants5058 2 жыл бұрын
I won!
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 2 жыл бұрын
Congratulations!
@gdubsterz1238
@gdubsterz1238 2 жыл бұрын
Nice to hear someone pronounce it correctly. This was my favorite part of the legends volumes.
@DLSaga
@DLSaga 2 жыл бұрын
I still got someone saying they hated my pronunciation, but I don’t know how else to say it.
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