Fixing a Viewer's BROKEN Gaming PC? - Fix or Flop S4:E4

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Welcome to Fix or Flop! We're up to Season 4, Episode 4. This viewer's gaming PC doesn't POST! Is this something we can fix? By the way, if you live in the Orlando, FL area and have an issue with your PC, apply to have it (possibly) fixed for free today! gregsalazar.co...
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[@TheGeckoEffect]

Owner of the pc, I can’t express my gratitude to you for fixing the pc. It’s always been my dream to have my own pc and now it’s come true partly because of you.

[@POLARTTYRTM]

Happy for you bro. Always good to see the younger generations building their own and being in touch with the tech. It's no reason to be ashamed for asking for help, I needed a lot back in the day. That's a seriously beefy rig, I'm envious, enjoy it.

[@TheGeckoEffect]

@@POLARTTYRTM Thank you, I have definitely enjoyed it a lot

[@ZnakerFIN]

​@@POLARTTYRTM I fully agree that there's no shame in asking for help. I've built several rigs over the years. Always with help from others since I'm low vision.

[@SkateClipsAndTips]

A beast of a build for your first PC

[@byronservies4043]

You did a good job. The BIOS thing is relatively new and it is extremely annoying how manufacturers are handling it. Enjoy the rig, it's got years of fun in it.

[@Ryan_DeWitt]

It's great to see someone so young building their own PC. Especially since he did make a good effort to troubleshoot it himself.

[@planexshifter]

I completely agree! I guess not all kids are bad.

[@haky6737]

his daddy bought it, but yeah respect for trying to build pc on ur own

[@AugiesHobbies]

I build my first pc when I was 11. 6 years ago

[@DentSideDee71]

@@haky6737 don’t assume what you don’t know pcs are cheap doesn’t mean his daddy bought it be nice 👍🏽

[@haky6737]

@@DentSideDee71 rtx is cheap? buddy did u even watch the video?

[@Joreel]

That's pretty awesome that at 14 they wanted to build their first PC. I didn't build my first until I was in my early 20s. It's so helpful that the next generation of builders have so many KZbin videos to help them build and troubleshoot, and sometimes have someone who can help them when all else fails 😊 I'm glad Greg was able to help this young builder out and get his system working...

[@johnpaulbacon8320]

When I was 14 ( 1985 ) - the computer scene was nothing like it is now - LoL If it was I probably would want to build a machine :)

[@doabrad1850]

I didn't build my first PC until I was 19. This was in 2019, and I'll never forget the feeling of euphoria I felt when I pressed the power button and the system posted on the first try. 4 years later, and I have now built 6 PCs. I wish I could do it all the time, but money doesn't grow on trees, so it's a very special occasion when I'm able to build a system. I wanted to start building PCs when I was 14, but being 14, I didn't have any money to spend on computer parts. I doubt I'll ever become a parent, but in the alternate universe where I am a parent, I'd get my child into PC building at a very young age. My father built a couple PCs in the 1990s, but he had abandoned the hobby by the time I was born in 2000. Oh well. Unlike my dad, I'm never going to give up on the hobby. I'll be building PCs until the day I die. I find it very relaxing and therapeutic to put a PC together. I just wish I was able to do it more than once every two years. 😞

[@johnpaulbacon8320]

@doabrad1850 Nice. Keep at it. I have now built 10 pc's half of them were personal rigs others were for family or friends. Take Care and Blessings for you and your family.

[@INFINITEShoobes]

If the power was to go out while flashing and the motherboard has qflash will it be able yo flash again?

[@johnpaulbacon8320]

@@INFINITEShoobes Hello. If the MotherBoard has a back-up bios chip: you could do a flashing for the backup chip ; but most likely not what was the main chip.

[@KRAVER_]

I have been teaching my son about PC repair since he was 5-6yrs old, and now that he is 14 he fixes all his friends PCs.

[@leonardoc.1584]

Thats nice!!

[@patrickprafke4894]

That's awesome. Nicely done!!

[@davidhorvath9941]

so good

[@z9297]

Made me smile. Thank you for sharing!

[@RaimaNd]

What an insane build for a 14 year old. His parents must have a lot of money or he worked a lot and saved up money. But really cool that teens still build their own PCs, I love it. BIOS updates are an issue many don't think about so I don't judge him about that. Same with fan placement. It is his first own build rig and for that he did a great job!

[@Galiant2010]

That's what I was thinking. At that age I was saving up Christmas and birthday money just to try and get whatever the new $300-400 console was. It was the only money I got as a kid. No lawn mowing money or allowance. And this kid just builds this PC, has issues, and is able to buy new parts to try out on the fly?

[@wallychambe1587]

One of my great nephews is 16, plays the piano and is about to graduate from high school! Been taking college course classes!😲😲

[@sebaschan-uwu]

Yeah when I was like 16 or 17 I saved up a lot of money and built good a midrange pc

[@Guaptologist]

that kid sounds so sweet, nice to see him getting into building pcs early

[@planexshifter]

Maybe he wanted to upload kitten murders? You don’t know why he wanted a pc! Lol Just kidding. Any kid that is trying to PC build at 14 is ok in my book.

[@AIM.02]

⁠@@planexshifter why even comment this

[@wallychambe1587]

They didn't even have PC's When I was 14,🤣🤣I was learning about radios and electronics!!

[@Unknown-64209]

​@@wallychambe1587 "I was learning about radios and electronics" 🤓🤓

[@Drvudoo]

Kudos to BeQuiet for stepping up. Makes me feel good for buying BeQuiet coolers and fans.

[@dil6969]

Props to the owner for taking on the task. The first PC build, especially with brand new hardware, is always the most nerve-racking. And it doesn't always go as planned. What's super unfair is the removal of actual debug displays from nearly all midrange and entry level boards. If they're going to save pennies there on $200+ boards, it'd be nice if they actually shipped with BIOS versions that aren't years out of date.

[@OMNOLOKO]

Big W for saving this gpu from combusting down the road. Feels like this has to be the another highlight for this episode.

[@aronfisker9537]

I still watch your channel even when all my pc's run perfectly fine. Satisfying

[@Suave_Gaming]

I'm so glad you lowered the rear fan, it was stressing me out so much 😂😂

[@jeffreyparker9396]

This is exactly why I was lucky to have the parts growing up and even for the most part now to change things out and troubleshoot issues like this properly. This is also why I think a shop for people to work on their own computers that can lend parts for testing and updating bios for compatibility is a good idea.

[@b9bot148]

I think Manufacturers should make sure their products sold are up to date, so consumers don't run into this kind of scenario. First time builders don't have previous gen CPU's lying around to do this bios update.

[@heardmoney25]

Dude i love how honest you are in your work, you never hesitate to correct yourself if you say or do the wrong thing. Exactly why i will continue to watch your videos👍

[@dogface313]

have learned a ton of troubleshooting techniques from watching this series. thank you!

[@ACOnetwork]

Let's see what Greg has for us today 😁👍

[@ACOnetwork]

BIOS... had that issue in the past couple of times. Thank you for the video 🙂

[@chrism869]

I hate the fact manufacturer's update the bios right form the getgo. That's su stupid, I doubt it's his fault, he didn't know

[@ACOnetwork]

@@chrism869 yeah sadly it is true and necesarry. For example BIOS can have some bug or you bought some latest CPU where BIOS does not have it on its own list and that is why it wont boot. It is good to update BIOS when you buy a motherboard but read its description on the web page. The worse it is, if you do not have flashback to be able to flash bios without correct CPU where in that case supportes CPU needs to be putted in so you can upgrade it. There is more to this but I went through it roughly.

[@steveg7368]

Keep them coming Greg. I have "some" knowledge" from exploring the self-build world on my own, but content like this is where a lot of my understanding of PC issues has been learned. Doing a great service to us PC nuts, and entertaining along the way.

[@awdrifter3394]

While he can't overclock, he can unlock the power limit so the CPU will boost to the max turbo speed for longer. Set the long and short duration power limit to a higher value like 235w, the 13600kf will boost to their max clock for longer.

[@jaggsta]

Asus Z690 TUF Wifi is $180 currently same as Tuf H670 $180 not sure why he would of bought that overpriced motherboard.

[@awdrifter3394]

@@jaggsta yea, he could've gotten a Z690 board for the same price or cheaper. I'm running a MSI Pro Z690-A DDR4, it was only $120.

[@ZipplyZane]

@@jaggsta Maybe he found it on sale somewhere or something? Or they were temporarily out? Both are true for why I got the CPU I have.

[@donniemcinis2054]

A good rule of thumb is to buy the mother board with the chip set that supports the version of CPU you have. Even when going with budget motherboards use the correct chip set.

[@pyoo_2364]

its so funny that bios problem with sign of dram compability , as a experience builder its easy to try those things ( cmos , switching parts etc ) but the issues is even if someone brought it to the store bcs youre not as experience as greg, they will likely to make you buy / swap something instead doing troubleshoot . those vendors need to work on them debug led

[@unknown4mat584]

should have put the extra fan on his cooler tower for air pull

[@rangerreview1780]

I mount my CPU fans on the left out of habit. In most boards the RAM is way too close to the fan, when it's on the right. And I had the fan basically vibrate a stick. Which caused random bluescreens. Once I put the fan on the left. It never happened again. But I still have the fan pull heat from the HS. Not pull air from the rear. Boards should add another debug light "Firmware".

[@dyldiablo9978]

Big respect to be quiet! Going to be using a ton of their products in my am5 build.

[@BenJ2827]

Loving the Scorpions album cover in the background- great album!

[@ChairmanMeow1]

I respect that at 14 this kid was able to build it still, and even troubleshoot it farther than most adults can.

[@ThE_ImPoSsIbLe_GiRL]

Great series, by far my favorite PC binge-watch series on KZbin. I appreciate all the tips I've picked up from watching this series. Really enjoy your channel thanks for all the great content...

[@ldenorio]

I've added bequiet fans to my PC because of watching you

[@kr00tman]

I wish more motherboard manuals would link to the online repository of bios and walk them through what bios works with what cpus better, so someone who was new at building pcs could figure this out. I remember when I first started building pcs during the pandemic and trying to pair a 5600x with an older am4 mobo was a nightmare. TBH even now when I buy older b450 mobos to pair with 3600x or newer cpus for budget builds I have to keep a ryzen 2700 around incase I have to dig around said mobos bios to update it to the latest correct bios, its a pain and I know what im doing lol.

[@alexisbell8865]

i love this series and help me. recent fixing younger brother PC. PSU bork. got replacement, got NO video out. he never experience that. test GPU, fine. remeber ram slots can be werid, was in your playlist. and bam it work. A1 and B1 just didnt work at all. bad that working single channel but atleast it works.

[@TheCrimson173]

seems we need a bios update indicator on start up flash screen or maybe auto bios updates on start up, would be nice seeing more and more things are becoming plug n play, would be nice..... maybe

[@nextcornerman]

Greg, I love your videos man, I hope you keep them coming for as long as possible. They're not only entertaining but also educational. As for Be Quiet!, I recently got 4x Silent Wings Pro 4 for my own PC and I have to say, the build quality is exceptional and despite being pricey, they deliver solid performance and most importantly they're quiet! Thanks again for another great video!

[@KingJerbear]

That is a sick build for a 14 year old kid! Looks like he was mostly on the right path, good for him! Nice upgrade adding the extra airflow

[@mohamedmagdy-dz1pm]

BIOS flashing is a nightmare. I didn't have the privilege to build my own PC, and had to watch a technician finish it instead. I later discovered that the Motherboard was running F5 bios version which was actually stock. I tried to flash my Gigabyte B660 DS3H AX DDR4, yet chickened out at the last moment. I used their @BIOS tool instead, which allowed the PC to connect to their Servers and obtain the latest stable bios version and automatically flashing it. Now, it's compatible with 13th Gen Intel CPUs, if I ever wanted to upgrade the CPU.

[@monsterofgod3315]

Well from you showcasing the fans. I'm actually legit going to use them for replacement fans coming up in a build upgrade. Already Sourced them out as fans. So yeh, Sponsoring helps.

[@badboy-dv4lf]

Thank you so much for this play list, all of the helpful tips are highly appreciated. I've learned much from the explanation you provided.

[@John_the_baptized]

Another great video and thank you so much Be Quiet!

[@spaghettiupseti9990]

one thing AMD did right with the AM5 platform was to make all boards support bios flashback. hopefully intel does te same thing next gen

[@Jules_Diplopia]

Nice catch, and Be Quiet fans, top of the range, either them or Lian Li, are always my choice.

[@Beezzzzy_]

IDK why but I always love watching this series. Even when its this simple or something super complex, its always fun to watch. I really like the small upgrade the viewer got with the fans as well will probably make a huge difference over time for temps.

[@SkateClipsAndTips]

In brief summary, dram light could mean faulty ram slots, faulty ram, faulty cpu memory controller, faulty motherboard, or incompatible bios version

[@DominikZogg]

Not even the Z690 TUF got Flashback, had to learn it the hard way with 13900K

[@PixelGxming]

Duuude these parts are craazy How the hell could a 14 year old afford those parts?! I'm 19 and even i don't have a PC that strong haha

[@bunnylove273]

Great video and thanks for the extra mile

[@Zinkhal1]

15:22 had to deal with it 1.5 years ago with my ryzen 5 5600x ... after it i can say it was easy ... but while doing it it was just scary you see nothing you hear nothing you know nothing xD just sitting there "well .. is he done? dont know ... just leave it on for a few minutes more .." ;D

[@silarin9917]

Nice fast fix :) For the love of all that is good, throw at least a cheap anti sag bracket in there though.

[@KevinSmith-fn3ch]

two of my fav repair guys are you and carey holzman, you both keep it real and dont make everything sound over the top / complicated i love it

[@Jay_kaying]

The weight of those beefy graphics cards doesn't look good. Modern cases really should start including an additional brace in the rear.

[@Hunyika]

I have a B660 Mobo with the same CPU, but I knew it it would be incompatible, so I ordered a 12100F, updated teh bios and sent back the 12100 :D

[@KCB0208]

Really crappy luck that he had two motherboards that didnt post. Glad it was something real simple!

[@hokkaidowolf3]

I had this exact same problem... old motherboard bios (same thing).. but I have a 2080super and a 13700kf... the place i bought it from installed the new bios for me... got it back and it only booted half of the times. what I did: Replaced ram with something that was on the approved list, still only 50% boot.. I moved the m2 from the slot nearest the gpu to the others... Unpluged and pluged all the things. (I have the asus thor 850W psu). Nothing worked. So I sent them back to the place i bought it. Still waiting on the funds back. Any good ideas on what I could have done?

[@jaggsta]

once i seen the 600 series motherboard with 13th gen i figured it was old Bios. that TUF H670 is $180 dollars you can get Z690/Z790 for that price or less currently.

[@drsquirrel3743]

Where do you stand at with MSI not wanting to warranty their AIOs for being faulty that you covered a while ago to where you in the end said you are boycotting MSI. I plan on building a new PC and was going to avoid MSI for the AIO reasons and planned on using ASUS but with what's happening now with them I'm not sure which to pick.

[@suffer8318]

Sucks older manufactured boards ship with outdated bios and if you're unlucky enough you have this issue and have to have an older chipset to socket in just to update the bios.

[@clemboy08]

So is there any way to know what bios version is on a board before buying it? Seems there's no way to fix this problem without having an older CPU, that seems like a terrible overnight by the manufacturer

[@Ironbuket]

0:11 If the owner just read what the part picker said, it would have warned about the bios. Part picker shows boards as compatible even when they may possibly need a bios upgrade before they will work. The warning is pretty hard to miss. Happened to me on my last build as I wanted to use an older board on purpose to save money

[@Anthony-fd8mh]

I wonder if there is a way to put the bios on the actual cpu? Like integrate it into the cpu so whenever you buy a chip you’ll always have the correct bios then maybe it can be saved to the board and updated from there? Just some thoughts.

[@justsumguy2u]

That's a solid fix, and a solid upgrade. I like the choice of CPU cooler. I don't like liquid cooling, and that cooler looks pretty beefy---with a fan behind it, I'm sure it moves some heat

[@massivemancomputers]

Been here many times. Also, pretty impressive that a 14yr old built and began troubleshooting this!

[@Dan-u1l]

I think a gpu anti sag bracket will soon be needed as a default for all new gpu's.

[@whiskeylinux]

Loved this one!

[@codysmith43]

I had to double check I didn't have music playing during the intro. I'm not used to recognizing canned music in videos haha I love LTN

[@n00bster68]

I had a similar issue with my MSI Z790 Tomahawk but with the LAN drivers . The integrated intel LAN controller and the WiFI controller wouldn´t show up and no matter what I couldnt get the drivers installed with windows installed. Just like you did with the NVME drivers I had to manually inject the drivers before installing Windows. That solved the problem. Even with Win11 installed and bypassing the by microsoft forced internet connection I couldnt install shit because Windows 11 locks you out after restarting if you try to skip the networkconnection via console. But MSI does include the drivers for the Intel LAN controller on the USB stick that comes with the MB. So it seems to be a known issue with the Z790 chipset.

[@SwampFox178]

Lets goooo. Greg is back at it again with another banger!!

[@cobaltgaming948]

Could you please show the temperature difference after adding those fans. If there is no meaningful difference is it worth the extra power and noise.

[@adil-blue-blood7626]

GRE AT WORK GREG LIKE ALWAYS WE ENJOY YOUR CONTENT

[@Nayah9]

Nice gesture fixing the fan configuration and cable management. One thing that could have helped even further is to repurpose the original front fan as top-left exhaust instead of removing it. Couldn't hurt.

[@MarquesAllenJones]

was confused why pcpartpicker wouldn't tell you about this issue bc i had the same one with a ryzen cpu when i made my current build. added the mobo and cpu to a new build and it does say if you have an older BIOS that you'll need to update it to v2004 at least to work with the 13600KF. i do get why it might have been worded confusingly bc it starts off the warning saying that it does work, but ends it with the caveat of having to update the BIOS.

[@RyeOnHam]

I had this problem with a guy's 10th gen motherboard and 11th gen chip. Had to swap his old processor back in and then update the bios and swap back. That said... Your cable management is triggering me. You have the graphics card cable going OVER THE FRONT and then down. I think it should go along the top and then through the same hole as the rest of the cables. My cable management sucks, though, so I'm not judging... just saying.

[@Condo.]

yo someone parked their yacht in that pc xD thats one big ass gpu

[@zellar1]

Very good video lots of useable info. Big thanks to Be Quiet for the sponsor. NICE!

[@gr33dy_ph4nt0m]

Awesome video as always Greg!! Also, from my understanding the intel 600 series chipsets in terms of overall features go Z690, H670, B660, H610

[@HD-Q4241]

That was cool salamander

[@AuraXv]

Another amazing video, Greg! Keep it up

[@David-yx3bd]

We found a unicorn! It's pretty rare to find a PC builder that skipped the prebuilt step. Nearly all of us tend to start with upgrading/refitting a prebuilt before going straight to building it from the ground up. Kudos little man.

[@daneallsaleem3174]

that's true. My first was a custom pre-built. I picked out the part and had it made for me and shipped to me in 1-2 weeks.

[@TT-fy6hk]

I'm here crying with the same issue, just finished the build tonight. Everything works, fans spins but screen is black. I immediately came to your chanel for help and this must be faith. Now cross fingers that this works for me as well, but it will have to wait till the morning. I'm dead tired.

[@ems7738]

Do update us on your adventure. All the best.

[@shanez1215]

I've got a UPS so I can update bioses safely :)

[@planexshifter]

You don’t expect your tech to be so outdated when it comes new.

[@ZipplyZane]

Ironically, I did expect it on the motherboard I got. But then it turned out it had the latest BIOS, and the problem turned out to be a weird compatibility issue with the monitor, which was weird to me because the same monitor on the same graphics card worked just fine in another computer.

[@javiervillalaz5757]

good videos bro, saludos from Panamá

[@treken]

I love this series so much. I’ve been binge watching it in preparation for my new build, which I just finished today. I pretty much had the same problem, but it was AMD instead. Luckily I knew what to do because I’ve been watching your videos. Thanks for making them. They are extremely informative and enjoyable.

[@aliensounddigital8729]

Pretty good build. Some things I would tell him is: get a board with a flashback feature next time. Saves a lot of headaches in the future. Also don't cheap out of the psu. Did that on my very first build years ago and yes: Really regretted it. I bring that up because I'm currently on the hunt for a new 1000w+ psu.

[@EagleEye-MJG]

This was a GREAT troubleshooting video!👏👏👏 That outdated bios would definitely catch MANY people.

[@michaelthompson9798]

A beautiful looking pc 🥰👍💪. Great to see another happy pc gamer back to doing what they do best 🤣😅😂. Great work Greg for helping these gamers with their PCs issues and to Be Quiet and other sponsors for their contribution 🥰😇🥳🎊

[@llwellyncuhfwarthen]

I am happy to see some one spending the time to build their own system. A little bit of learning that goes a long ways. Thank you for helping clarify things, I spent time to teach a friend how to build their own computer MANY years ago (they are illiterate/can not read or write) so I sat with them reading the manuals and explaining everything to them as they put it together, (back in the 386 era of computers) since then, they have always built their own.

[@jonjay8635]

thanks to BE QUIET for Helping support this play list , we love this series

[@mtgcardzandreview2756]

It's really great to see hardware vendors like be quite willing to help out with this series.

[@gamerforlife7903]

My deadass legit read "Fixing a vampire's PC" and even thought of an instant solution which was "turning off the RGB"

[@akshithnair578]

I kept eyeing that misaligned back fan with a bit of worry, the satisfaction when you moved it down lmao

[@biiyen8458]

14 year old kid: "My pc won't power on" **sees that he's using the stock 12VH Power adapter** You're very lucky it didn't turn on and that PCPartPicker didn't recommend you buy a fire extinguisher

[@rsgxyt]

I know pcpartpicker mentions that the BIOS may not be compatible with the cpu when using an 600 chipset mobo with a 13th gen cpu. Did he really overlook that part

[@t3amb4sh]

look at those stock voltages asus gives. It's absolutely ABSURD. I have a B660 Tuf Gaming D4 with 13700K (I know I know, not the best pair) and , at 1st 13th gen working bios, gave 1.61v , which is enought to melt the socket if it is left like this. I, then, did a bios update, and it went down to 1.48v (still too much), and managed to have it at 1.38, but not in the traditional way of undervolting, as intel has removed uv at B series chipsets. I am going to replace this trash motherboard, literal trash as I leave performance on the table and my temps are not very good either. Props to you mate for fixing another PC for this young guy :D

[@mikeelek9713]

I didn't build my first until I was nearly 30 but mostly because there was no ability to build your own. However, I modded a small Timex-Sinclair 1000 computer, which I eventually gave to a relative.

[@DjVortex-w]

PSA: When choosing a motherboard, always, _always_ choose one that lists support for your chosen CPU out of the box, without a BIOS update. If the motherboard in question specifies that your CPU is supported with a BIOS update, just skip it and choose a different motherboard. There's a _very_ high chance that it will not have a BIOS new enough to support your CPU. The vast majority, if not all motherboards of a particular model almost always come with the original BIOS. They don't go back into the stores to update them. If you do get such a motherboard, it may be a real PitA trying to update the BIOS. Even with those that have a direct flashback functionality through a USB port you always run the risk of something going wrong, bricking the motherboard. You might not even be able to RMA it after that, because you bricked the motherboard.

[@TheBigBazzy]

I have an android tv box in my living room and I use it along with a ps5 controller to play games in my living room streamed from my PC like Spiderman, cyberpunk, god of war. It's like I have a ps5 without having a ps5. Also for remote access I recommend chrome remote desktop rather than team viewer. Team viewer locks you out and claims you are business use.

[@KiniXIzA]

I had the same problem with my R5 5600X, i had heart attack when my pc didnt want to turn on XD and then i found out that i need to update bios for this CPU

[@Sonic_1000]

I wouldn’t have a Hyper 212 on a 13600k, either. Nice rig overall.

[@stivesyy]

Love your videos man. Random request, can you do a short or tiktok or something about how you frame your vinyl? Lol. I'm a collector myself and would love a 'healthy' way to display them. Love the BMTH one especially! I have AMO signed and I'd love to have it up on the wall.

[@Tier100God]

Would you take in a build shipped from north Georgia?? I will pay shipping and everything.

[@KEWords]

I will never, ever buy a MB without The q'flash feature. Had a normal Update stallout, without a QFlash feature my MB would be bricked

[@denniskarlsson6173]

DRAM LED with the same cooler I've onced used which is probably a mounting preassure issue

[@zhaf]

All platforms that support multiple CPU gen should have motherboards with usb bios flashback feature.