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#XMen #Deadpool #Wolverine

[@vaggos2003]

I'm just going to casually remind you all of that time Vox used the X-Men films as an example of good continuity when trying to shittalk the MCU continuity.

[@Magnet_Chaos]

Holly shit. Now freaking way. lol

[@Endru85x]

Vox? You mean the channel that made video about MCU being empty or some shit like that and they got debunked by a lot of YT like Captain Midnight or Jay Exci?

[@vaggos2003]

@@Endru85x Yep.

[@johans3164]

MCU may had its flaws, especially recently, but that Vox video is beyond embarassing and humiliating. They are a joke!

[@vaggos2003]

@@johans3164 I don't know about the rest of his channel, but that video certainly was a joke.

[@yellow6572]

And now, apparently, Logan takes place in the Deadpool timeline, which brings A LOT of questions

[@mattd5240]

I don't know how that can be reconciled. One rakes place in 2029 and the other in 2024.

[@benncourt]

It's more of a case of Marvel 2099 and it's easy to explain. Logan now takes place in the "distant future" rather than a specific year that's how it connects now to Deadpool and the mcu.

[@shawerful5209]

Logan is in a alternate universe, maybe, just maybe events in the future of the timeline will be kinda similar to the ones in logan

[@yellow6572]

According to Ryan, he acknowledges that Logan takes place in 2029 and so Deadpool 3 takes place in 2024. The TVA also mention that Logan is in Deadpool’s earth…. Im still a bit confused

[@ManiacMayhem7256]

@@yellow6572 Yeah it makes no sense.

[@bitsfight9308]

Now Deadpool and Wolverine comes out and shits all over this solution to the continuity

[@babbisp1]

Can you tell mw how it ruins the solution without giving away spoilers?

[@keelanbarron928]

​@babbisp1 it's set after Logan.

[@X-zag]

@@babbisp1the dead skeleton of logan appears in the movie and deadpool takes place in the other timeline

[@babbisp1]

Ok so I watched deadpool 3 and Deadpool only found Logan's body by jumping to another timeline. So the video still stands: Deadpool and Logan took place in a different timeline. And the living Wolverine that Deadpool teams up with is also from an alt timeline. However there was a scene where Cassandra places her hand in Wolverine's head to enter his mind and we get Wolverine flashbacks from other movies. Not sure how this affects things.

[@bitsfight9308]

@@babbisp1 seems like you didn't pay enough attention. Tell me, why is it that Deadpool's universe is dying in the movie?

[@thetruej7872]

Deadpool: These timelines are so confusing

[@UpStartTugBoat]

McAvoy or Stewart - Also Deadpool

[@shadedglade4475]

He really was correct

[@user-tw3rh9po4t]

⁠@@UpStartTugBoatHahaha I remember that from the first Deadpool movie

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

@@user-tw3rh9po4t , Fox should've done the idea that 4thSnake mentioned by having Lady Deadpool being the serious Deadpool with the red spandex fight off against Wolverine in Earth 1 of the X-Men universe, and Earth 2 Wolverine being from X-Men 1.5 that didn't team up with Deadpool until the second Deadpool film leading to female Wolverine taking over the Wolverine mantle after Logan permanently retires in Logan.

[@DarkOverlord96]

IIRC they did confirm that Emma Frost in Origins and First Class are completely separate characters in the same continuity. And apparently a tie-in comic to Origins explains that Sabertooth became the more feral version between Origins and X1 because of his mutation.

[@vaggos2003]

@@DarkOverlord96 Interesting.

[@kryptonianotaku4975]

So it was a secondary mutation I guess good to know

[@shawerful5209]

Its less like a continuity error, and more like the first class writers notice, how emma frost was actually silverfox and decided to do a more accurate version of the character in first class

[@vaggos2003]

@@shawerful5209 Perhaps. Tho they should have retconned the one in Origins into Silverfox then, otherwise an explained continuity error is still a continuity error.

[@michaelofrandom653]

There's a tie in comic?

[@SpockvsEgon]

And here comes Deadpool and Wolverine to destroy your nice and neat timeline split.

[@paytonturner1421]

Having them in separate universes will make more sense and will be easier to follow.

[@rhetiq9989]

My headcanon is things start to diverge starting from X-Men Origins and First Class. The original trilogy is all in the same continuity but everything moving forward are just splices of different universes

[@MaskedPlayer514]

Ok the ending saying this makes it a less accurate adaptation made me burst out laughing

[@OmegaOptimusSupreme]

Amusingly with Moira in both timelines it can just be her powers resetting the continuity and trying again.

[@Blazecap]

I believe Deadpool and Wolverine will probably reveal that all the continuity issues maybe the result of the tva.

[@vaggos2003]

@@Blazecap I don't know if that will be either the most ingenious or the most cringe-inducing thing ever.

[@jalapenoofjustice4682]

turns out it explicitly puts Logan in the same universe as Deadpool

[@vaggos2003]

@@jalapenoofjustice4682 I don't think that this was ever in doubt.

[@jalapenoofjustice4682]

@@vaggos2003 the marvel wiki still has them as seperate universe entries as of me writing this, so clearly there was some disagreement on that

[@vaggos2003]

@@jalapenoofjustice4682 Oh, I wasn't aware.

[@gyga100]

I think that putting Logan in the same Earth as Deadpool and the Second Xmen Trilogy makes more sense,since they even have comics in that movie showing the X-Men with yellow spandex,a thing that never happen in the old trilogy and would fit well with new mutants

[@dn22pkkdd476]

Logan becomes the only movie that is the end point of BOTH timelines. That seems kinda fun.

[@shawerful5209]

I like logan more as a separate universe, where every major event for both timelines happened.

[@gyga100]

@@shawerful5209 that works too

[@gyga100]

@@dn22pkkdd476 yes, but in Logan they are referred as group of well know heroes, a thing that happened more in the second X-Men trilogy, while in the first one they felt more as black ops/more secretive team,less know by the public, while in Dark Phoenix the president even has X-phone to call then......yes it's ridiculous, but match more the status of well know heroes

[@Lostwavetraveler179]

But Logan himself states that the comics aren't accurate at all, the suit designs could be just another factor into that statement.

[@21eienni]

I never realised this was supposed to be the "same" Yukio, god dang, they're so different I never made the connection. Didn't know for Psylocke either in X-3.

[@tyronleung5276]

How could you Yukio was never a lesbian or a child she was wolverines on and off side piece and negasonic was a fridge casualty in the e for extinction event where the wild sentinels and Cassandra nova caused the genocide of all the mutants of genoshia causing Emma to get her secondary mutation which xmen 97 loosely adapted

[@kryptonianotaku4975]

Honestly same I didn’t pay attention to her name in the Wolverine and don’t remember her in X-3. Like 4th really did his research

[@Beezle66]

​@@tyronleung5276while I don't trust Wikipedia for everything, it does say on Yukios page as the 3rd sentence that she was originally supposed to be a love interest to Storm but the editor in chief at the the time said that no same sex relationships could happen in his comics 🤷🏿 so you're right but also wrong lol

[@BioTroy]

wait, that's kinda insane how that genuinely manages to fix practically everything :0

[@DGainz]

What was confusing for me is Logan exist in Deadpool’s timeline. I thought Logan was in the future when all mutants were being hunted

[@omarxperez]

Basically the way i see it is that Deadpool’s timeline is the First Class timeline since we see the younger versions of the X-men in Deadpool 2 meaning the timeline goes like: First Class-DoFP (old timeline is erased)-Apocalypse-Dark Phoenix-End of DoFP, depicting the X-men as now grown up and resembling their original timeline selves without the events having occurred since we see Scott and Jean alive and well. then we know in Logan that Charles accidentally killed some of the X-men so the way i see this is that Logan takes place a little bit after the end of DoFP which is set in the First Class timeline which Deadpool is apart of so Logan being set in Deadpool’s timeline is not that confusing when you think about it in a way that might melt your brain Edit: just remembered that the end of DoFP take place in 2023. Deadpool 3 takes place in 2024 and Logan is already dead by then meaning this whole theory just falls apart and i have nothing now so good luck !

[@allanorme2093]

@@omarxperez Logan is set in 2029 DPW is set in 2024 But the TVA and Loki all exist out of time, so to them its like watching a show that already finished, you can just skip to the end or watch your fav season again but its already over

[@keelanbarron928]

There's a simple answer to this: the deadpool movies don't have or follow continuity. The x-men films do, but deadpool doesn't.

[@Jack_Donovan]

@@allanorme2093 so you’re telling me there’s just 2 wolverines in that Universe during the ending of DP3 huh? I feel like in the movie Logan it’s events should’ve been catastrophic over the course of many years prior (loss of the X-men, decreasing mutant population, etc) instead of just a “few years” that spiraled downhill like your trying to explain

[@keelanbarron928]

@Jack_Donovan ....well, yeah. of course, there are two wolverines in deadpool's universe now. What, did you think that montage at the beginning was all from the same universe?

[@yoloboloyolo888]

I wish more series had alternate timelines in their series, not just an episode or arc dedicated to fighting a second universe, but having movies, episodes, and other media around the second continuity. I feel like it would be good on all fronts for big series as it would allow so much creative freedom without messing with the established characters and stories. Want an actor to play a character but split between two? Have them played by both in different timeline. Want a relevant character in a new situation but can't justify it? Boom, new timeline. And so much more, if creators and studio suits were willing to do this then they'd have so many more options to do call new fresh stiff with their IPs, rather than ruining good stories or repeating them until it stops making money.

[@senior_sakuga]

Deadpool and wolverine makes this even more of a mess but I’m here for it lmao😂

[@justchan2443]

We don't have to worry about the timelines since we have the power of multiverse bs. But Deadpool 3 now makes things more confusing.

[@SonicHaXD]

It's separated into two universes. The good movies. And the sh!!tt ones XD

[@nicovelardita8619]

Which one is supposed to be which? One has 3/Origins, the other has Apocalypse/Dark Phoenix It seems to be pretty balanced qualitywise

[@daquanparker4261]

@@nicovelardita8619 Might just be me, but I think Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix are worse than 3/origin. Aside from one scene from Dark Phoenix, those two are forgettable and boring. Seemingly aimless as well. At least 3 and Origin have several good scenes and are memorable.

[@Endru85x]

@@daquanparker4261 3 at least has McKellan saying one of the best line in X Men history "No needle shall touch my skin ever again". Origins has great opening, and got much worse after, Apocalypse is offensively boring movie with MK : annihilation level of costumes.

[@tyronleung5276]

And they still don't make sense cause it lacks the greater marvel universe plus the movies don't adapt the comics story lines well

[@meathir4921]

​@@daquanparker4261I think Apocalypse is way less egregious than X3 which utterly assasinates all its characters and spits on their faces. That said, we can agree Dark Phoenix can go and die.

[@redbigun]

"I don't think there's film franchise with worse continuity than X-Men." Resident Evil.

[@Nov-5062]

Legend Of Zelda

[@mazkeraid4039]

Star Fox too.

[@pcb1175]

@@Nov-5062 Zelda at least had the Hyrule historia giving an official timeline

[@Nov-5062]

@@pcb1175 I would say it's more of an afterthought than an actual coherently made timeline.

[@Mango_of_lies]

@@Nov-5062 he said FILM franchise, so since legend of zelda hasn't gotten a movie, yet. it can't really be counted

[@cameronbaker97]

it's a bit difficult to have Dark Phoenix in the same timeline as Apocalypse, since Jean was clearly shown to have the Phoenix Force inside of her at the end of that movie, yet in Dark Phoenix, she's only now getting it and she apparently never actually had it before then (this is also ignoring how from First Class to Dark Phoenix, no one actually ages, despite those movies going from the 60s to the 90s with each one).

[@AgentGodzillaRP1701]

I think the Phoenix inside her and the entity in space are separate.

[@fish3819]

I like to think about the timeline as an x were they can be very different but can connect at a key moment

[@Ralph_ralphster]

What about in deadpool 2 when the X-men cameos are young but deadpool 2 takes place in the 2010’s and the X-men films take place in the 80’s/90’s. And they still look the same age

[@allanorme2093]

Deadpools just crazy

[@AllHailTheKang]

Ngl, growing up I always assumed this was the case cause of both DPs time travel and the Days of Future past’s time travel. Those both change everything so much so that the first class films just branched away from the og films. That being said, growing up I always assumed the Wolverine trilogy was canon to the new one, so it wasn’t as consistent as these two timelines.

[@macaemeia146]

this is kinda how the marvel database handles this

[@MegaHeaf]

This is exactly what I have been thinking for a while, even the same movies you chose for each earth except I think New Mutants is earth 1.

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

New Mutants being Earth 1 only makes logical sense if Midnight Suns takes place in the Earth 1 universe otherwise New Mutants is Earth 2.

[@dawnslack5515]

Laughs in Deadpool & Wolverine

[@dominothealphaandomega5512]

alright, I think I got it: Original Timeline: • X-Men: First Class • X-Men Origins: Wolverine • X-men (2000) • X-2 • X-Men: The Last Stand • The Wolverine • X-Men Days of Future Past Neo-Timeline: • X-Men: First Class • X-Men: Apocalypse • X-Men: Dark Phoenix • New Mutants • Logan The Deadpool Timeline: • X-Men: First Class • X-Men Origins: Wolverine • X-Men: Dark Pheonix • Deadpool • Deadpool 2 • Deadpool 3 (I don’t even know if Logan is apart of this timeline anymore, Why did they Make the TIMELINE of their CINEMATIC UNIVERSE so confusing?)

[@Theunloved1738]

Spoilers Logan takes place before/during Deadpool 1

[@shadowdramon01]

The only issue i could find, and it’s a nitpick at best, is I’m pretty sure Juggernaut mentions in Deadpool 2, being the one who crippled Charles, whereas this is James McAvoy’s Charles who was accidentally crippled by Erik. But, like I said, that’s probably a plot hole, or Cain just talking sh*t

[@BATCHARRO]

I mean when it comes to the Wolverine trilogy, Origins and Logan could easily be their own thing , but The Wolverine relies on what happened in X-3 with the death of Jean. If you were to watch these in in universe chronological order The Wolverine is the direct continuation of 3.

[@Hiro_Ramone]

If you look at it, First Class is the one who kinda messed up everything because it was intended as a full blown reboot until Days of Future Past connected the two timelines for some reason.

[@AgentGodzillaRP1701]

Ugh, Deadpool and Wolverine should’ve treated Logan as an alternate tineline

[@danturner5326]

So easy, yet so simple. Well done, The4thSnake 👍

[@samuelspace101]

Deadpool and Wolverine taking place in Logan’s Universe kinda breaks everything

[@pinaka5461]

It's already fixed lol, introduction of branched timeline fixed everything

[@Chi-Drumming]

no

[@andrewrogers3067]

I heard the first couple minutes and can say that this can also fix MK.

[@omarxperez]

it would fix a lot of things for MK but not when they retcon their characters each game like Sindel 9 and 11, Kabal in 9-11, and Skarlet in 9 and 11

[@shawerful5209]

It works more as kronika being a fucking celestial sapien, that change the universe everytime she wants.

[@petwisk2012]

I heard a theory that i believe that the "worst" wolverine is actually the one who deadpool saved when killed the shit deadpool by time traveling with cable device, so striker didn't shoot hin, he actually went with Xavier but didn't commit to being a x-man

[@Mrmumps-tb4no]

That actually kind of makes sense cause he wouldn’t have the motivation of regaining his memory

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

“This is not Wasted Plotential. Welcome to Canon Ball” That’s a good slogan, you should keep that for the rest of the series.

[@LIONREV7]

The trailers of deadpool and wolverine suggest the TVA so my guess is they will just say that too much time travel fucked the continuity

[@21eienni]

This is so satisfying, ngl

[@johans3164]

Its balanced and make so much sense. Just separate it into 2 earth and put DOFP as part of James Mcavoy timeline and not the original Patrick Stewart one. Assume that the future mutants from DOFP as variants with the same actor like illuminati Prof.X or Beast in Marvels

[@monkeybone1080]

Personally I separate it like this: X1, X2, Logan. Everything else doesn't exist. Makes things very tidy.

[@ItsOver9000Productions]

Makes a ton of sense actually

[@PumpkinLuke]

well, thank you for helping me work out my rewatch order!

[@Ralph_ralphster]

I think that the ending of X-men days of future past created earth 2. Let me explain. In that film young charles and young magneto are both played by the first class actors, which is fine. Although in the future in the film I believe the storm actress is the same as the og trilogy, as is rogue, colossus, prof, and magneto. So maybe when wolverine fixed the future timeline he went to the og trilogy which is a fixed version (which is why beast, cyclops and Jean are all there) maybe wolverine got his happy ending in a newly fixed timeline but somehow created an alternate timeline (earth 2) which has young Charles recruit cyclops, Jean, night crawler, etc. in the 80’s/70’s due to his encounter with Logan. Also perhaps in the og timeline (earth 1) the first class film can still be canon although with different events so that the different Emma frost doesn’t contradict wolverine origins. Honestly so many problems can be taken away from just making origins non canon. So now at the end there’s earth 1. In earth 1 the og trilogy, origins, and the wolverine all take place. As well as the future of DOFP. Then wolverine completes his mission and changes the timeline from the og trilogy to where everyone has a happy ending (making the events of last stand different which would prob mean they got a happy ending and frankly a better movie) next is earth 2 which was created by wolverine by accident. It has first class which is an alternate version of the events in the earth 1. Then apocalypse, dark phoenix, the deadpool films and maybe new mutants. Hope this works :)

[@undertaker9991]

*Bill Duke sees his replacement* You know you fucked up right?

[@9pastno0n]

Snake certainly did calling him average, haha!

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

@@9pastno0n , Snake is generous towards Peter Dinklage as actor because the only roles I've seen him in as a great actor is the Hunger Games films and Infinity War otherwise I disagree with Snake on his acting abilities.

[@9pastno0n]

@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr Dinklage? I was talking about Bill Duke. Undertaker9991 referenced his famous line from Menace II Society so I played off that. I highly doubt Snake was referring to Peter Dinklage as an "average black man" but hey it's 2024. Anything goes, haha! Addendum: I don't think "quite the leap" was a comment on either man's acting ability, just that they are veeeeery different-looking individuals. But I suppose only Snake could tell us.

[@yolticxd2587]

5:51 in the x2 tie-in cómic it’s explained that he also got his memories erased, presumably by Stryker

[@Sheldon-senpai]

To be fair, it's actually how it was meant to be from the start, though, there are some mistakes: - Both timelines are exactly the same until 1973, meaning First Class and the first half of Origins are exactly the same. - Emma Silverfox is *not* Emma Frost, just because they share the same name and one power doesn't mean they're the same person. - X-Men 3 Psylocke is Asian, not white, meaning she's probably Kwannon and not Betsy. - The former Days of Future Past page lists Toad as British. - Logan and Deadpool 2 are its own films, the latter justified with time travel shenanigans.

[@Beezle66]

Yo after all these years i never realized that yukio was the same character in The Wolverine and deadpool 🤯😂 that flew WAY over my head. I dont know much about her from the comics so thats probably why lol

[@osirisjojo6876]

Like mk and db, xmen's established lore got thrown out the window to cut corners for money (or just doesn't care at all)

[@mazkeraid4039]

Dragon Ball didn’t change drastically compared to its contemporaries because the multiverse you see there isn’t actually alternate timeline variants as it does provide explanation.

[@grantm6133]

I’ve always had the same general theory. Though in my mind Days of future past’s beginning is the end of earth one and wolverines time travel creates earth two. And that Logan is the far future of Earth 2 like how the days of future past beginning was the far future of earth 1.

[@raidenstark315]

Simple will be retcon as different timelines

[@saloz9483]

I'm surprised it was this easy for something so confusing.

[@rileyduncan3927]

I couldn’t agree more, the X-Men film series has a confusing continuity and timeline. This proves that they should have been in the MCU sooner.

[@xman13knight67]

And the new deadpool and wolverine trailer just confirmed that Logan is in the same universe as the 2 deadpool movies

[@MrDarksol]

Ok ok I caan. definitely vibe with all of this and it doesn't make my brain hurt so awesome job. With that being said, STILL suks that they fucked up Psylocke not oncee but TWICE in the live action movies, especially when Apocalypse actually had Olliva Munn LOOK like Psylocke but never ACTED like Psylocke.

[@KilamajaroKen]

New Mutants was supposed to have a cameo of James McAvoy as Prof X and Alexandra Shipp as Storm. But never ended up in the final film. So it fits the "Earth 2" theory.

[@JohnSmith-cb9hb]

You must not have heard of the Resident Evil Film series. That is a continuity nightmare.

[@HeRa06Ram]

I found an interview with Rhett Reese co-writer for Deadpool 2, in this interview he declared that Yukio is mostly the same as in The Wolverine but her background and mutations got a reset after the events from Days of the future past, so basically Deadpool is the "present day" of this new timeline, Deadpool 1 would be chronologicallly years after X-Men: Dark Phoenix

[@homeb0ys7515]

i viewed the timeline like this - In the revised timeline, the original 2000s trilogy (Like X2 and last stand) never happened, and neither did X Men Origins Wolverine. - X Men First Class, X Men Apocalypse, and X Men Dark Phoenix all happened and in the present we pick up at the ending of Days of Future Past, where only Logan and Professor X remember things being any different than they are. We can also assume Jean got revived off screen sometime before the ending of future past. - Colossus and Negasonic are the only X-Men we see, but all the other X Men are still around we just never see them. Deadpool 1, 2, and 3 all take place in between the 30 or so years since Dark Phoenix, and just before DOFP’s ending in 2023, and Logan in 2029.

[@grandadmirallillard9963]

Great video snake I love it. It makes sense to have as you call it The First Class in Earth 2 and The Prime Xmen in Earth Brilliant fixing

[@monkpool]

Thank you algorithm, I was thinking about this after watching Deadpool 3

[@NewUltraHero]

Here is a theory that might explain the continuity: Earth 10005 is a universe that contains a bunch of different timelines. Like you could say the X-men trilogy + the wolverine trilogy are the main anchor timeline then you have these spin off timelines like the James Mcavoy led X-men movies and the deadpool movies. So they are separate timelines but are all anchored to the main Earth 10005 timeline. This is also backed up by the little graphics the TVA use when showing the earth 10005 timeline, there's one main line with multiple smaller lines splitting off from it.

[@mdstevens0612]

My personal headcanon is Days Of Future Past wasn't their first time travel attempt or adventure and thus First class onwards is a second timeline created from several changes throughout their X-Men career. Logan takes place in both timelines but happens slightly earlier in the First Class/Deadpool timeline.

[@Starkstar502]

Couldn’t Bill Duke’s Trask be the son of Peter Dinklage’s Trask?

[@l.pricetag.5207]

I was thinking the same thing. I'd say he could be his step son though because... well, there's not much resemblance lol.

[@demonteprice5870]

​@@l.pricetag.5207 adopted son Trask Jr.

[@twinodoom]

6:26 This can just be explained by Deadpool's 4th Wall Breaks. Even though he isn't chronologically connected to the Deadpool from Xmen Origins, he has knowledge of the previous movies being movies from our universe that allowed him to travel back in time to before his movies had a universe and reach the first X-Men movie where Ryan Reynolds appeared as Deadpool.

[@Jellybob69]

Original timeline: X-Men: First Class X-Men X2: X-Men United X-Men: The Last Stand The Wolverine X-Men: Days of Future Past (2023 segments) Altered timeline: X-Men: First Class X-Men: Days of Future Past (1973 segments) X-Men: Apocalypse Dark Phoenix Deadpool Deadpool 2 X-Men: Days of Future Past (happy ending) Logan (though obviously intended to be a standalone film by the director) Yes there are continuity errors but this isn’t difficult to follow and your solution simply isn’t true at all. These movies are made for kids, it’s pretty easy to digest.

[@ManiacMayhem7256]

Nah definitely think his makes more sense

[@juryantonelli]

​@@ManiacMayhem7256nah this guy got it right. My man in the video made some mistakes and completely made it up

[@ManiacMayhem7256]

@@juryantonelli Making up the universe stuff is the entire point of the video. Maybe try watching the beginning rofl. This is entirely meant to fix massive continuity errors. Logan as it treats itself is way more of a follow up to OGs than Days of Future Past. Mangold confirmed it isn't in DFP timeline

[@juryantonelli]

@@ManiacMayhem7256 but you don't need to make it up. Some of the continuity errors aren't even real, like Emma Frost in origins is actually Emma Silver fox, another character

[@juryantonelli]

@@ManiacMayhem7256 Logan is a standalone movie, but if you want to include it in a timeline you could put it after the happy ending of DOFP which is the most advanced part in the future we see with the old cast and the new timeline

[@X-zag]

And now deadpool and wolverine just made it 100x more confusing

[@jemstar63]

I do appreciate the amount of continuity issues this video covers, there are still some continuity issues with ‘Earth-1’ - Hank McCoy has entirely different appearances between X2 and 3. Of course he could have done his experiments in the years between the films, but I think this makes his position as senator less likely (but not impossible). - Kitty is described as a ‘little girl’ in X2 but in the next film is seemingly as old as Bobby and Rogue (perhaps they’re different characters) - Cyclops is freed from capture by Wolverine in X-Men: Origins, but this isn’t mentioned in the first X-Men - The Sabertooth issue which you mentioned However, while issues, the first two can be explained away and the latter two are just issues of things not being mentioned. I never minded about inconsistencies with Apocalypse and the original trilogy because that was always intended to be a new timeline. There are many issues with continuity between each of the prequel films though; - 30 years supposedly passing between First Class and Dark Phoenix - Havok having to be about 20 years older than his brother - Jean using the phoenix powers and then getting them in the film after But honestly it’s so broken, only a throwaway gag about timeline inconsistencies in Deadpool and Wolverine will save it

[@shilze1]

A note about The Gifted is that while the answer is likey "it's just its own thing unrelated to the movies" they were apparently given the in that it would basically be the bad future we see at the start of Days of Future Past - before it was changed by the time travel shenanigans of that movie. An obvious issue with that being Blink in both as two different actors in the series and movie. Personally, I just imagine it as its own world we'll never see again.

[@PencilFan-hj3lo]

Logan is a separate universe then everything else

[@colinmiyamoto2190]

Yeah this is why I’m only watching Deadpool 1 and 2 and Logan to get ready for Deadpool and Wolverine

[@zephaniahharrison5171]

i would argue x-men 1 would help too.

[@ferghalicious1480]

Personally, after watching Deadpool and Wolverine, I’ll probably use this viewing order going forward: X-men saga: X1 X2 X3 (optional, introduces a few continuity errors and The Wolverine basically fills in the gaps anyway, but potentially worth watching for the cameos in D&W) First Class The Wolverine Days of Future Past Deadpool saga: X-men Origins (It’s shite but essential just for introducing Reynolds’ Deadpool, watch it drunk) Deadpool 1 Logan Deadpool 2 Deadpool and Wolverine Forget Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix ever happened.

[@ManiacMayhem7256]

As someone who saw Deadpool and Wolverine, nothing is worth it for that awful film.

[@wachinimagaming4898]

Interesting theory that I don't personally subscribe to, but fun to think about nonetheless. 'The Wolverine' post credits scene still teases a film that would be in a separate earth, which leads to Logan where almost everyone is dead still.

[@mr.awesome6011]

How do you forget about Vinny Jones and his iconic line, "I'm the Juggernaut,bitch!"?

[@Mesopotamin007]

Man doing such video a week before the new Deadpool & Wolverine is actually crime , you could’ve just waited 7 days cuz now the timeline is more complicated than it was before

[@aislingclarke4347]

The one thing this doesn't explain is the one scene in Deadpool 2 where the whole xmen team appears briefly as a joke, they used the same cast from xmen apocalypse which was set in the 80s, and they're clearly around the same age, but Deadpool 2 is set in the present.

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

When I read that you were asking everyone how Magneto was able to block Cerebro on Twitter, I thought you were just asking a random question since Twitter’s a social media app. I didn’t know it was related to an X-Men video.

[@The4thSnake]

I do that sometimes.

[@raifencharles3680]

​@@The4thSnake what's the music you used in the video? Please

[@Professionalmustard]

waiting a week for 4thsnake to upload just for him to upload a video about a franchise you dont watch

[@vinayakparashar_8293]

Fan Theory: we know that Fox rebooted X-Men Universe after Origins which is why the storyline is so inconsistent so what if There are Two Timelines actually one where First Class, DOFP, Apocalypse, Dark Phoenix, New Mutants, Deadpool movie and most importantly LOGAN takes place is Y timeline and in The other Timeline, Let's call Timeline X, X-Men 2000, X2, Last Stand, Origins and The Wolverine takes place and the Wolvie we saw in D&W was the one from the X Timeline because we saw at the end of The Wolverine that Magneto and Charles approached Logan to fight the Sentinels and they actually finished them off but in process Logan killed some Innocent People which led to the end of X-Men (many people will say it was a build up to DOFP but maybe it's not considering the contrast between same named characters such as trask and many inconsistent sub plots and plot devices implying DOFP takes place in a different Timeline)

[@legojangofett1088]

I think this can still work even with DP3. We learn that Logan does happen in the proposed second universe, but I think it could happen in both with no issues

[@hyperfire1134]

caliban

[@AllHailTheKang]

Mutants are dead in Logan.

[@ManiacMayhem7256]

I'd ignore DP3. It doesn't fit well with much of anything tbh

[@spider-zillaproductions6469]

This would be a great explanation if not for one subtle inconsistency. In the original trilogy, Wolverines claws are implants given by weapon X, and in Origins and The Wolverine, they are shown to be bone claws that are a natural part of his body.

[@kryptonianotaku4975]

Honestly I wouldn’t have never thought of splitting them into two separate universes but honestly it so simple yet pretty brilliant although the Wolverine has a post credit scene that pretty much leads into DOFP and McAvoy Xavier sees Logan’s past including X1-X3 but I suppose that could be chalked up to Earth variants of Logan with similar past like Patrick Stewart play Prof X in the X-Men movies and DS2 and to quote Deadpool: “These timelines are so confusing” and leave it at that Edit also I suppose DOFP does change his Weapon X backstory as we see in X-Men Apocalypse

[@Bstroz32]

Been waiting for a explanation for this mess thx god you did it well🤝🏾🙏🏾

[@Mango_of_lies]

(SPOILERS FOR ALL X-MEN MOVIES) this theory is LONG, so here's a "shortened" version to see if you want to read it, The Wolverine ties DIRECTLY into DOFP and Apocalypse ties into Logan. AP = Apocalypse, TW = The Wolverine, FC = First class, DOFP = Days of future past. now i know you won't see this, but if you do, i'd like to have your opinion on this. your timeline is great, it removes the continuity issues almost entirely. but the story the movies were telling doesn't really work this way. DOFP ties directly into TW because of the post-credits scene. but since in DOFP when logan travels into the past, it has the FC continuity errors. my headcanon "solution" is that, in DOFP because of logan going so FAR back (around 50 YEARS) that he actually INVADED another timeline. future x-men in china were in the first timeline while logan invaded the body of wolverine from a different timeline. it could be that SOME things were the same in both, e.g. erik in the pentagon, charles in a bad time in his life (but not disabled) and trask starting the sentinel program. now yes this doesn't make much sense because in that one scene where older charles goes into the mind of younger charles he would know something is seriously wrong. but he could've just have not said anything as to not confuse his younger self even more then he is already. now onto Logan. it ties DIRECTLY into AP, in the post-credits scene (yes, i'm going off of those again) of AP, ESSEX CORP get's some of logans DNA from the site of the WEAPON X program. and as we see in Logan, Alkali-Transigen created clones from the DNA of other mutants. X-23 and X-24 are from logans DNA, which they probably got from ESSEX CORP. (the x-men movie wiki states that ESSEX CORP is a subsidiary of Alkali-Transigen, but i can't back that up) but there's a problem, X-Men 1 is referenced multiple times in the movie. in the ending of DOFP which takes place in the alternate timeline logan jumped into, you see rogue with the white streak of hair that she got in X-Men 1. which means that a version of that movie still happened. but since jean is still alive, X2 and Last Stand didn't happen. which they couldn't've anyway since the cancelled Dark Phoenix sequels were going to explain how jean came back and either lost or took complete control over the phoenix force. but hey, that's just a theory, A FILMMMM THEOR- (sued for copyright infringement) that was long. and i'm not trying to discredit your theory, it does make sense and honestly works WAY better. but from a story perspective it was meant to go down how it did, DOFP leading into the REVISED timeline. your theory makes the most sense from a lore standpoint, and my theory makes SOME sense from a story standpoint. except mine is WAY more confusing. what is your opinion on my theory?

[@Matyunkin]

First three movies, second Wolverine, Days of Future Past - first main universe (two different Trusk's by the way). Then, because of time travel in Days Of Future Past, there was created classical case of Flashpoint event, which messed up whole universe so badly, it's need creating other continuity (first class, days of future past, apocalypse, dark phoenix). Other movies are basically has it's own universes. Deadpool trilogy happens in the same universe, but again, his time-travels created Flashpoints, each of them creating it's own universes: Logan (probably has the same events as first X-men but that's all) First Wolverine Third Deadpool, which has same Logan's death, but completly different universe from Logan. It's even creating one additional DC universe, in which Green Lantern doesn't look as Ryan Raynolds, i guess.

[@diewott1337]

At one point, the continuity is so all over the place that you just pull the chronological release of the movies and watch them in that order. Saves time lol

[@hansentheman8084]

I just went with the headcanon that not all the X-Men movies share the same universe. The first three films, possibly a different version of The Wolverine, and Logan happened in one universe. First Class, The Wolverine, and different versions of the first three movies happened in another universe, then the timeline was changed in DoFP, leading to Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix happening. Origins Wolverine is its own universe. I haven’t seen New Mutants so I don’t know where I’d put it. And the Deadpool movies take place in all the X-Men films, and at the same time they take place in none of them due to Wade’s fourth wall breaking. That’s how I see it.

[@ItsOver9000Productions]

In the official Handbook I remember seeing that Logan is in its own universe and is the only one in that universe. So maybe similar events from different movies played out in that universe but basically your theory is very plausible since the official Handbook has already stated some of these movies are separate Earths.

[@TheRavenShadowsWolf]

Cain Marko is a step sibling; not a foster sibling. His father is Charle's step-father when his mother re-married. Further, in the comics specifically there's NO mention (unless it's been retconned in) as far as I'm aware that Raven was EVER any sort of familial relation at all to Charles. * I could swear Havok is Scott's YOUNGER brother. Not elder. But then again the three brothers have a rock, paper scissors, thing going on with their vulnerabilities to each other's powers... and Vulcan's backstory was sanitized heavily; where he was originally SUPPOSED to be D'Ken's blood child with Mrs. Summers. (Through enslavement and non consent) interestingly, all three brothers access the same dimension to channel their energy based powers. It is however kind of bullshit that they all have basically the same power, with different levels and variants of energy or channeling attribute. (For Scott, the eyes. Havok is usually depicted as through the hands, and Vulcan is an Omega so fuck me if I know where he can channel from... Probably everywhere. Which might've gotten interesting with L'landra's sister ; ) ) For Sabretooth, IF I recall right, in the comics he WAS a part of weapon X; he was just never given the adamantium Skeleton - which is a sore point for him, but can be explained by the idea (when it was said he wouldn't survive the process) that Logan being as small as he was and getting into fights as constantly as he does, bolstered his healing powers = in the vein of evolutional adaptation which is canonically the explanation for the jumps to Omega or upgrading power in ranks. Sabretooth being as big and strong as he is compared to Logan, does not as often have to rely on his regenerative properties as he doesn't usually get damaged as badly, or as frequently.

[@SithDestroyerVideoProductions]

I always liked the idea that time travel affected the past AND the future, to explain away any inconsistencies.

[@tyronleung5276]

Another thing is they made reverend william stryker apart of weapons plus program in both time lines than the professor and dr Cornelius and skipped past wolvies days int alpha flight

[@alicobosboi]

I think Days of Future Past really helps a lot with continuity as everything changed in timeline 2 leading into prequels and deadpool. Timeline 1 would be the og trilogy & Wolverine rewritten into the end of dofp and maybe into Logan if you want to include it.

[@LetsCrashThisParade]

Sabertooth still doesn't make sense from X-Men 2000 to Wolverine Origins

[@Jose-dh1xz]

Bro thought he was cooking

[@gus2n]

Angel American in X3, German in Apocalypse, young Phoenix is pretty much a different ethnicity in Dark Phoenix etc also

[@RealKanzo]

I’m surprised they haven’t tried to make them separate universes yet with all the multiverse stuff going on it would be an easy explanation but Deadpool and Wolverine doesn’t do this but implies that they’re all in the same universe and even Logan eventually happens? Like there’s just wayyyy too many inconsistencies and weird retcons in these movies a straight explanation would be nice like Deadpool time traveling changing things but no

[@tjl3493]

New Mutants just doesn’t exist. Let’s all just forget that one.

[@tomlinson1710]

Still love these movies

[@commonsense5199]

1:29 I remember seeing something that these two Emma Frost are separated characters. 2:58 Juggernaut in X Men 3 stated that his a mutant not magic. That is what started the misconception. Like Old X Men 92 cartoon Juggernaut always say he is not a mutant, he is magical. 3:19 I believe Havok being the older brother of Cyclops is a nod to the old Ultimate X Men comics. 5:32 And living fact is Yukio is not mutant in the comics. In comics Yukio is just a ninja. 5:49 I found the explanation. After Origins Wolverine, Victor did meet Stryker and Victor did gets a weapon x upgrade. All the experiments did made Victor stronger and more feral but it also cause memory loss. Magneto and Mystique save Victor and gave him the name Sabretooth. 6:58 Legion is so good. They did stated the show is an alternative universe. Which go choice to have freedom to experiment.

[@demontamerbf18]

I like this idea, especially because the future seen in Logan is a bit too catastrophic for my taste, it was a great movie, but having only Logan and Charles as survivors of the original X-Men was so sad.

[@annaprzysiezna5913]

For New Mutants, Jeff Wadlow said that he wanted for Cable to train New Mutants in X-Force movies.

[@TheDigitalApple]

Bet $50,000,000 that new Deadpool movie will have a very unfunny 4th wall breaking joke about X-men Origins: Wolverine.

[@tyrkun1624]

It will probably have like 5 of them

[@Blazecap]

I bet their gonna some make dark phoenix joke “Thank God you died because everything went to shit except my movie because you were there in archive footage”

[@Jose-se9pu]

And Green Lantern

[@DarkOverlord96]

Unfunny? Bruh that movie sucks lol