FLABBERGASTED by LaGuardia Airport Approach Control

Despite flying regularly into LaGuardia Airport and understanding arrival routes, there are always exceptions to the rules. This time around, I missed the Manhattan view, even though I followed the right steps to try to see it! If you want to see what the approach "should have" been like, watch this video: • BREATHTAKING Daytime A...
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[@stuartgoldberg8825]

Listening to the approach controller working at 110% was amazing. His breaks, when he gets them, are well deserved. Thanks for sharing!

[@PeterMasella]

He’s fantastic! Thanks for watching!

[@tommyholzman6613]

Peter does a fantastic job with his channel and narrations. Very detailed.

[@PeterMasella]

Thanks!

[@adlerlny]

Another terrific and information packed video, Peter. Really enjoy the commentary and the creative approach. It makes us feel like we are flying along.

[@PeterMasella]

Thanks so much! I appreciate that!

[@michaeld8443]

Flying over NYC, it actually amazes me that we are able to feed this many people

[@marcih.8826]

This video was really interesting. Having one controller direct all these planes made me nervous but he was really professional. There’s always something new in these videos. Thanks again 🛬

[@PeterMasella]

Thanks Marci!

[@manifestgtr]

This is the closest “simulation” to my commercial flying experience, man…I’ll often be listening to LiveATC, noticing our SIDS and STARs, etc. as things happen here and there. You have one of the most unique aviation channels on youtube

[@PeterMasella]

Thanks so much!

[@gasaholic47]

Correction for you: Breezy Point is part of Queens, not Brooklyn.

[@PeterMasella]

You are correct! I was too flabbergasted!

[@DOMINICAAVIATION]

Another fantastic commentary and a great video as well. Nicely done Peter!

[@PeterMasella]

Thank you as always?

[@PeterMasella]

I mean !!!

[@tdchayes]

16:35 A view of Green-Wood cemetery and Prospect Park. You don't show this direction very often, but lots to see in Brooklyn!

[@PeterMasella]

I need to focus on this side of the approach more!

[@jamesstark8316]

Another fantastic LGA approach video! Thanks. OBTW, Breezy Point is actually in Queens (not Brooklyn) at the tip of the Rockaway peninsula.

[@PeterMasella]

Thanks! And you are correct! I was too flabbergasted 😮!

[@shutterbugshirlstravels]

Great ATC audio! And...to me, all views of the New York City area are awesome!!!

[@PeterMasella]

So true!

[@billbresson4663]

Another Fantastic view of New York 👍🏻👍🏻

[@PeterMasella]

Thanks!

[@woodyg75]

LaGuardia is always such a fantastic approach view combined with low flying conditions late over water until touchdown when landing on 22. San Francisco is another one like that with excellent views before coming in on 28L or 28R especially if two planes are landing simultaneously.

[@thetester7988]

Went plane spotting there a few years ago, absolutely amazed when i saw both planes landing on 28left and 28 right!

[@jamesmullen5398]

Another great one is the River Approach into Reagan National in DC

[@PeterMasella]

Couldn't agree more!

[@Al-og3dc]

Another great video Peter. Congratulations. Magnificent work. Outstanding. I applaud you Peter. Thank you for such great content.

[@PeterMasella]

And thanks for such a great comment!

[@patrickjordan3769]

Still loved seeing this approach Peter, especially on such a clear day!

[@PeterMasella]

Thank you!

[@carlosszgzmx]

Wonderful memories and reminders. The old AA logos at the hangars! The snow equipment for us in warmer lands where it is no needed! Thanks for sharing! Gorgeous vid! Subscribing and liking now!

[@PeterMasella]

Thanks so much! Welcome aboard!

[@johnkim8957]

Another EXCELLENT video, Peter

[@PeterMasella]

Thanks!

[@anthonyvallillo422]

I haven't been to LGA since I retired in 2008, but it looks like they are now using that big new terminal they had been building. Glad they kept at least two of our (AA) old hangars - a whole lot of history over there!

[@PeterMasella]

What amazing changes at LaGuardia!

[@anthonyvallillo422]

Below 10,000 feet, "conversations" in the cockpit are very few and far between. This is our so-called "sterile period", when all talking in the cockpit is operationally related, such as checklists or briefings. What you have created here is a very good simulacrum of being in the flight deck jump seat, save for the lack of the straight ahead view! And very informative and accurate commentary, the more so since you are probably not a pilot yourself. Well Done!

[@PeterMasella]

Thank you very much!

[@margaretroselle8610]

Wonderful! Thank you.

[@PeterMasella]

Thanks for watching!

[@RidingWithJahv]

Great video as usual but breezy point is queens. Just found you channel last night. 🔥

[@PeterMasella]

You’re right! Welcome to my channel!

[@TodosLados]

Wow I have to say that although I have an aviation channel and love all of it, this videos gave me a lot of great information. Thank you so much for sharing it. Greetings from Puerto Rico. Have you anytime been in Puerto Rico (SJU)?

[@PeterMasella]

Thank you so much! I have flown into SJU before I started this channel. I do have some recent footage from the Isla Verde airport here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYqQoXVnjb6ricU

[@erickjerland1281]

Peter enjoyed your video. I'm flying to Paris France today out of O'Hare.

[@PeterMasella]

Have a great trip!

[@erickjerland1281]

Thank you

[@JayMaKinGwaVez]

16:47 a superb view of Greenwood Cemetery on the right, Prospect Park in the middle and Eastern Parkway (the long road with all the trees to the left of Prospect Park) which extends East then north to Evergreen Cemetery/Highland Park/Forest Park which is in the top left of the screen. Just in that photo alone I can pinpoint two of my former residences, my moms home and where I went to school. It may not be the Manhattan Skyline but such a wonderful view of the true heart of NYC which is the outer boroughs!!!

[@PeterMasella]

😎 cool!

[@flyingdentist]

fantastic commentary.Intetresting and great video Peter

[@PeterMasella]

Thank you!

[@tdchayes]

12:35 A really nice view of the former Bell Laboratories site at Holmdel (right at the bottom of the shot). It was featured in the recent Apple TV show Severance.

[@PeterMasella]

Cool!

[@budcanter9747]

Nice view, thanks Peter!👍👍🇺🇸

[@PeterMasella]

Thanks!!!

[@LMays-cu2hp]

Thank you for sharing. It is very nice when you can get an Exit Row Seat in Economy Class. It is nice for us tall passengers.

[@PeterMasella]

It really is!

[@LMays-cu2hp]

@@PeterMasella Yeah, if the many times I have sat in Economy Class, I always list for the Exit Row Seats. But i know I do love using my points and upgrading up to First Class or Business Class. I am 6'2 in height and my legs need some space. And yes, I just go on and pay for First or Business Class! I know, I know, it is more expensive but on the long-haul flights it is so worth it.

[@cristianofranco2764]

Mantain speed and altitude, Peteeeeerrrr !! Cheers from Brazil!

[@PeterMasella]

Thank you Francoooooo!

[@patrickflores6232]

Can you show a video of planes approaching LGA following the Long Island Sound shoreline. I work on a beach in Rye, NY and notice a lot of planes making the turn over Playland when storms are coming.

[@PeterMasella]

That would be the runway 22 approach. It can occur during good or bad weather. Traffic will either come from the north, straight in or come from the south and either make a left or right turn onto the straight in final approach course. This video is the approach coming from the south making the right turn to runway 22 but turning before Rye: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hIGwZnePoct7qMU

[@glenbearh9109]

Excellent video as usual

[@PeterMasella]

Thanks!

[@SpecLife]

The only reasoning I can provide is because of the Newark Departures. The two flows must have sufficient lateral separation from one another. The distance that LGA aircraft can fly from what is known as the special use line immediately west of the Hudson varies on the configuration. In this instance, I am assuming LGA was not using the GLDMN departure procedure which allowed them more space east to remain clear of Newark Departures. This is not a definitive answer but rather an educated guess.

[@PeterMasella]

That is a great thought!

[@SDK-im8sl]

Or, perhaps Teterboro was landing on Runway 24 (bringing planes close to or over the Hudson River), instead of the usual Runway 19 on south wind days like this. The inbound LaGuardia traffic for Runway 22 would be kept tighter to the airport, over the East River, with less flexibility and thus a bit less capacity. The departures from LGA Runway 13 would still be unaffected.

[@ThatCenterController]

Possibly, not sure though!

[@thetester7988]

Another great video! Keep up the great work!

[@PeterMasella]

Thanks!!

[@SDK-im8sl]

Notice that even at the all-new terminal facilities at LGA, large 10,000 gallon Jet-A tanker trucks are used for aircraft refueling, instead of an underground fuel plumbing and hydrant system. I surmise that very high costs and environmental permitting considerations led Port Authority to decide against a capital project to install hydrant fueling, which would have easily added tens or hundreds of millions $$ to the total redevelopment costs. The advantages of hydrant fueling are that it results in much less ramp and roadway congestion, more room for cargo and baggage servicing, elimination of all the time that is spent in constantly refilling the tanker trucks, and the ability of one fueling technician to give an airplane as much fuel as it needs and then hop along to the next planes. But the cost in that constrained environment must have been too high.

[@PeterMasella]

Interesting!

[@SDK-im8sl]

@@PeterMasella I'm now told by experts that because of the high water table at LGA, constructing and maintaining an in-ground fuel system would have been virtually impossible. Thanks for a great YT channel... Fly into ORD or MDW sometime... I'm an insider there, so can provide any desired tech/ATC info.

[@stuart72761]

Nice Video. Thank you.

[@PeterMasella]

Thank you!

[@Danimalpm1]

In addition to being vectored up the East River, I’ve always wondered why when landing on RW04 from the north on the HAARP approach why they vector traffic across lower Manhattan toward NJ before turning back to the north instead of just vectoring them west over Manhattan farther north and down the Hudson. Maybe it’d put traffic too close to RW06 departures from Teterboro?

[@PeterMasella]

Sometimes flights from the north on HAARP will be vectored to overfly LGA from the east to keep them OVER the airport instead of north of the airport over the Bronx/Westchester. Then they go across lower Manhattan and back around. This keeps them away from departing flights from LGA.

[@EdgardoRosa]

Amazing!

[@PeterMasella]

Thanks!

[@steveallman7581]

As always great video !

[@PeterMasella]

Thanks!

[@bktodc]

@Peter Masella How do you get the ATC transmissions?

[@PeterMasella]

Liveatc.net

[@robertdaniel5461]

Thank you!!

[@PeterMasella]

😀

[@donaldbrown950]

Another great video

[@PeterMasella]

Thank you!

[@richmartin1427]

That is very unusual to not follow the Hudson. One thing I can think of is usually when you follow the Hudson the Empire controller (The first approach guy LGA arrivals from the west and south talk to) would hand off to the final controller somewhere near the George Washington bridge. Since one guy was working all positions, maybe it was easier for him to use the airspace a little further East. Only other thing I can think of is Newark could have been doing visuals to 29, and those get close to the other side of the Hudson. Great video nonetheless though.

[@PeterMasella]

Great thoughts! Thanks for watching!

[@OSTARAEB4]

Yes, I’ve never seen this pattern. You make a valid point about the close proximity to EWR approach hook ins from the West. Flights into EWR from points South would be farther West for the hook in South for landing at Newark. This is quite an approach into LGA. Given his proximity to Manhattan, those on the Left side would’ve had an amazing bird‘s eye view of Manhattan like those on the right with a normal Hudson Visual into 22. Seeing New York from any angle is always a treat for those of us that love New York and photography of major city skylines when flying.

[@markpell8979]

That was a bit of a squeeze on the downwind leg passing by LGA for Rwy22 but with surface wind from 180 it's unlikely it was because EWR Rwy29 was in use for arrivals- as with LGA and JFK they would also be landing 22. Since the approach controller was 'combined-up' and covering the initial Empire sector as well as being the final vectors controller further in, and weather was good with Visual Approaches in use, he may have simply felt like improvising a little to hustle everybody along. Another possibility is that at the also-busy TEB, Rwy19 was closed temporarily so they were in combined ops on Rwy24, dictating a little extra elbow room over the Hudson north of Manhattan for sequencing of arrivals. That seems more likely.

[@richmartin1427]

@@markpell8979 that makes sense. TEB is an airport I forgot about but given the traffic and proximity to other airports I really shouldn’t.

[@markpell8979]

@@richmartin1427 Just a guess but it would make some sense. Teterboro is a beehive next to a hornet's nest and as the Offspring remind us, "You gotta keep 'em se-pa-rated." Ha!

[@CharlesReiche]

@4:52 Lehigh Valley International (KABE)

[@PeterMasella]

Cool

[@Marius26-73]

Is wearing a mask still mandatory over there?

[@jamescollier3]

only one party lol

[@perry968]

That happened to me In January. Went up Madison Ave.

[@PeterMasella]

Same here! I have a whole video about the Madison Avenue downwind leg to runway 22.: We Flew DIRECTLY OVER Manhattan to LaGuardia Airport kzbin.info/www/bejne/hIGwZnePoct7qMU

[@marshall1864]

There was, perhaps a TFR over midtown--e.g. Trump?

[@295g295]

10:04 - Which aircraft are called "Brickyard" ?

[@PeterMasella]

Republic airlines.

[@295g295]

@@PeterMasella I could only think that it is based in Indianapolis, and I think it is a regional carrier tied to American/USAirways. hmm.. not tied to Delta/Northwest?

[@PeterMasella]

@@295g295 they fly for American Delta and United.

[@pauldrtaylor]

How long are the shifts for ATC? How many hours they work before a break?

[@PeterMasella]

I’m not a controller but I believe the shifts are 8 hours long and they can’t work more than 2 hours at a time.

[@tysonstransitcam2190]

Breezy Pt is Queens just fyi

[@PeterMasella]

Good point!