Cruiser Positioning Example #1 - Mogami

Today's cruiser example will feature the incredibly squishy Mogami up against T10 MM. Conserving health and utilizing stealth and line of sight angles is lesson I'm hoping to teach.
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[@Flamuu]

If you don't bring Radar or any other sort of utility to the game, your role as a cruiser is simple, deal damage while avoiding taking it. Making that happen however, can be a lot harder than it sounds. Stream: www.twitch.tv/flamuu Insta: instagram.com/flamugram/ Twitter: twitter.com/flamuchz Discord: discord.gg/Flamu

[@newinhuman]

Torps are OP lol nice shot👍

[@JestonSun]

Can You Go For Survivebilty Expert?

[@seancritchlow5888]

Any chance of doing this for minotaur? The ship is strong but it doesn't feel like I have an impact on the match.

[@Leptospirosi]

Great game and tutorial. Could you please make one where you explain how spotting works? I didn't know that fighter planes could give you vision over ships and I thought only spotter planes had that mechanics. Thanks

[@timaahhh]

One thing I'd like you to point out a bit more is Cruiser also need to support DDs when possible. If a DD provides smoke concealment or if you can use island concealment to block or mitigate damage you need to support DDs as a cruiser. The role of a cruiser to me is a about balance. You have to balance aggressive and passive play. You can't be too aggressive and waste your health or too passive and conserve health at a critical moment.

[@DavidFromOuterSpace]

Flamu: "its important to conserve your health!" Survivability Expert Curry Wurst on the J line: "Senpai says I'm good boi!"

[@heno02]

ROFL

[@azravalencia4577]

someone who use SE on Kurfust is as same as someone who put Pjneapple on Pizza

[@Claudius_Nero]

@@azravalencia4577 Or ketchup on hotdogs.

[@MetalMachine131]

Thank god they make that impossible with the new captain rework.

[@teh_copbine5081]

@@MetalMachine131 Yeah imagine having a captain who puts pineapple on his pizza, big yikes...

[@serve_xt4298]

flamu: "A good cruiser player gets to deal damage without taking in return" Cv players meanwhile: hahahaha AP bombs go brrrrrrr

[@hiro9253]

yeah AP bombs is ridiculous especially the german CV one, i was in zao and got rekt 23k from 1 drop by A.Parseval T8 german CV. freaking tier 8 CV. that is like 60% of HP gone from 1 drop, i asked him in chat he said 3 citadel. its so frustrating

[@razzor_hero]

@@yann9915 you are mostly correct but sadly situations arise where a cruiser has to be alone for sometime and that's when a good cv player shines.

[@VuHien2011]

@@yann9915 6 km is beyond the range of AA of most ships.

[@bhutchisonbh]

@@yann9915 seldom works mid to late game when 50% of ships are gone.....thats when CVs really shine

[@bhutchisonbh]

@@yann9915 not in my experience. In high damage games I tend to do 60-70% of my damage in the last half of the battle; AA being reduced through less ships and HE damage, easier to pick targets, more spread out (less AA bubbles) just my own experience, I find CVs particularly deadly late game

[@aceca5147]

What Flamu said: "And the matchmaking is incredibly tough" What Flamu meant: "And the matchmaking is standard tier 8"

[@Neneset]

Whine some more. Standard Tier VIII matchmaking is crapping on Tier VIIs now. Only 40% of battles in Tier VIII ships can have Tier Xs in them. All battles in Tier VII ships can have Tier VIIIs in them.

[@albertolopez2888]

Jajajajja I agree man

[@ainumahtar]

@@Neneset I'd love that tbh, it's more like at most 40% of t8 games don' have tX in my experience. Source: grinding 3 different t8 ships atm

[@tijmen131]

@@Neneset it's not a problem playing against tier 8 in a tier 7 though lol

[@Rio_1111]

@@Neneset I got my first T VIII recently. A dozen games so far, no T X seen yet.

[@doodledibob]

As our gnomish overlord is fond of saying: "Fair fights are for suckers."

[@thomaskositzki9424]

Basic military wisdom. ^^

[@esbendit]

11:08 This is the exact doctrine of the Imperial Japanese Navy. They would launch torpedoes from the cover of darkness, then open fire when the torpedoes reached their target for maximum shock and awe.

[@Windows98R]

The slight issue comes in that wows doesn’t have nights lol

[@patrickriley296]

This is a great video. It's really improved my cruiser play. Allowing 5 minutes to pass with no damage and not worrying about it was a huge thing to learn. I usually start to get impatient if I feel I am making no contribution and then get myself in trouble. Thanks Flamu! More please!

[@rexstuff4655]

Flamu: "Experiment with just staying alive!" All my games for the next 3 weeks: Cruisers hanging out on the B line...

[@lexwaldez]

LOL - you know it's true

[@flamedphoenix84]

Thank you for the information

[@blindmikeguard]

One of your best guides in a while. Cheers man.

[@jasonshen584]

Meanwhile: t5 furutaka bouncing shikishima shells left and right

[@ainumahtar]

but only left and right :P

[@ohayou828]

i need to know what to do when my bbs play like cruisers

[@SadMarinersFan]

"Experiment in just trying to survive" Humps A1 corner and never fires guns: "Flamu said this is how you play cruisers"

[@ainumahtar]

I am 100% sure some potatos are going to do this and think they are playing well because flamu told them to conserve hp over everything else :P

[@dany1441]

Thank you so much for this video. It was made for me. I love the Mogami but get myself killed when uptiered, and you describe me perfectly at 4:20. I feel like I MUST do something when it's just a really bad idea. Feel like I'm not contributing when there is almost nothing I can do. I do it anyway, and usually die, LOL. So thx again for this great how-to.

[@jordananderson2728]

This is something I've been trying to bring into my games, and it's been drastically increasing my damage in games and my contributions. Thank you for making it into a simple guide!

[@SCG003C]

Can you do a positioning video for flanking cruisers like Henry? Anyway, thx for the information!

[@DrDuckMD]

Damn I’ve had a lot of games recently where I say “ How the hell did we lose that...” I look at the map and everything looks fine, then before you know it your east flank has collapsed.

[@Krosis_]

Great guide, the way u give examples to your arguments from stuff that's happening in the game is very pleasant to follow 👌

[@aurelienlechoux4902]

More positioning guides please!! They're great and so are you, keep up the great work!

[@SuperRararasputin]

I love this ship, though it sure does make it hard sometimes . The HE alpha is phenomenal, but boy do you ever get brutally punished if you make a single mistake in your positioning.

[@alexcomsulea7190]

it s good but it doesn t get a heal witch is annoying

[@humorpalanta]

Aaaand that is why you play the Atago :P

[@iPoTeNcYy]

@@humorpalanta p2w

[@innerarts4091]

@@iPoTeNcYy u get the same assholes as teammates in the atago, can't see the p2w...

[@samulivainionpaa9338]

@@innerarts4091 Well, it has a heal which improves Mogami as a ship

[@chaoticsilence1972]

Excellent and instructive video. I realized that I had no idea how breaking the LOS in a cruiser really should look like. It was a good lesson for me, thank you.

[@bopr6535]

Very instructive, content I have been looking for in this format for some time...well done.

[@diegoviniciomejiaquesada4754]

I love my Mogami. When I am hunting DDs I use the 155mm... When I am hunting CAs & CLs I use the 203mm. If I am fighting bigger ships I use the hit & run tactics: Firing before hiding behind an island so the can't detect me. And if someone gets me, I launch torps at them and run moving as much as I can. Some people say her torps angles are awful, but for "hit & Run" are just perfect.

[@regraz1911]

@flamuu this is one of the best explanations of playing a ship that Ive viewed to date and that includes all the changes since this vid was made. Please return-provide such player analysis for all the newer ships avail in WoWS now. TY M8 :D

[@AtlRopeGuy]

Thank you! Please do more of these with cruisers especially. Very very helpful to the player base that isn’t as experienced :)

[@TheGrandexeno]

As usual, excellent lesson. Thanks Prof. Flamu

[@45sticky]

Showing us a master class on how to use cruisers. Thank you so very much!

[@thomasofnone99]

Great vid. The "win hard" concept is so very real. Players think "It's in the bag, let's go crazy" so they charge forward to get DPS up and... so many games are thrown this way. Keep up the good commentary.

[@lukestables708]

Very useful thanks! Of course all the things you talk about are much harder to pull off when there's a CV in play, especailly when it's two tiers above your CC.

[@Marafox2]

Very good and clear explanations; good help to me. Hope to see more of this kind. Thank you very much.

[@craigdavid4718]

I just want to say a HUGE thank you... As a new player, I've really been struggling to get my head around how to play cruisers. I see loads of other folks share vids of great battles with perfect plays and pushes etc. It turns out I've been doing it wrong this whole time... The way you explained it really "made the penny drop". I am too antsy and impatient - always looking to re-create those great plays that I see.. I understand now, that those battles are the exception, not the norm. I just experienced a whole change of mindset over the course of your vid :D

[@danielflynn5746]

Another great guide thanks, excellent advice and I will do my best to apply these lessons and be a more successful player.

[@Arphalia]

I love these videos, and this one in particular I am looking forward to the most being a mostly Cruiser player these days.

[@DarthMcLeod]

Keep these coming. What I mist need to learn is how to think and what to think about.

[@adityachanifindhraputra7824]

Thanks Flamu for adding some knowledge to me. I've understood after watch this video! Your explanation is also easy to understand..! Very thanks I really keep in mind about : Cruiser, sit behind the island and then shoot and shoot :)

[@auswhofan]

great vid, thanks for sharing your skills and experience

[@TheDOWfan]

Fantastic teamwork from your and the Mass.

[@CIoudStriker]

Honestly, that repeated pinging at around 13:00 would have probably made me mute you if I had been that Östergötland. Once is enough, twice gets annoying, and anything above that is spam.

[@CIoudStriker]

@Yonas Smeth The more times you ping in a row, the less likely I am to believe you know what you're doing.

[@rupertbearz3790]

I have a jpn cruiser and this video has me starting to play it more, very good tips!!!

[@skidstung]

I like gameplays like this, good job Flamu!!

[@Hiigara85]

Love the video and i also love the Mogami :) and i think i picked up a few tips as well, GG Flamu!

[@BlazinMaverick0090]

I just got the Aoba and this has helped me tremendously, I always struggled with the furutaka and the Kuma. This is going to help me tonight when I get on and play the Aoba as a rear action

[@reverendkrv]

Mogami is lovely. Great video Flamu.

[@domi_1855]

Thanks alot for this guid! I found cruisers one of the most fun ships to carry a match in late game. I think.

[@johntaylor4975]

ty Flamu this is a very useful and quality video.

[@noversis5361]

As a new player I learned so much from this video. Thanks for making them!

[@lostvayne3977]

Absolutely spectacular thx so much

[@claytonharrison74]

Every video is like a master class.

[@goasgschaugustl5847]

Thanks for the info! And I can say everything that you said is 100% true and can even be applied ro low tiers. I learned this playstyle with my Königsberg and had monstrous games with it even against tier 7 ships.

[@dirt0133]

This was Great, i hope theres more of these uploads out there from upi,

[@nickzaytz5712]

ah ah ah staying alive staying alive ah ah ah staying aliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiyyyyyiiiiiiiiuuuuuaaaiiiiiiive

[@lexwaldez]

reported for copyright violation!!!

[@danielgens9872]

Flamu as a self proclaimed potato thank you for this guide, my cruisers thank you.

[@SmashPhysical]

Thanks for this, good info and advice.

[@billosoto]

Thanks for this masterclass

[@ThaCrustyOne]

Great video Flamu!! Cheers!! 🔥🔥💯💯🤘🤘🍻🍻🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@adayhr]

Fantastic video friend! Keep doing this good work😀👍

[@Bohdisattva326]

One of your best videos

[@hyperdude144]

Required viewing for any Japanese cruiser captain. The 10km torpedoes provide that oomph you need to stand up against battleships, if needed. Absolutely love this line.

[@lil-ricketts4715]

Yeah, this will help my Japanese cruiser gameplay. I've been mastering the art of the kite lately, cruisers are becoming my favorite class. There's nothing more fun than whipping around in an Emile Bertin or an Omaha at max range and laughing as maniacally as everyone misses you, even getting cursed at in chat (which happened in my wakeful yesterday). When I get into DD's more I'll enjoy them but for now, I'll be the mad lad cruiser at the top of the scoreboard almost every game.

[@lexwaldez]

WG should incorporate this video into required in-game training. Great tutorial as always.

[@AR-hi1hy]

This vid alone turned my shitty scores into average ones. Amazingly well explained, thank you!

[@proxy7863]

Perfect. I love playing the mogami

[@com_bolto8605]

Hail to the king Thank you flamu

[@ISAFTanagerYamato]

7:00 -- actual equivalent to "work smarter, not harder" Spot on

[@TNKHART]

Well played, Sir

[@petapan5743]

"How to..." form one of the bests ingame! Yey!

[@twilinter5229]

Flamu: here's my advices CV: are you sure about that? Really while the advices are legit, when facing a match with CVs. You can't help but feel much powerless.

[@Duwurf]

And It's extra fun in ships like Shinonome!

[@Dukenukem]

Another anti CV whiner, just sail in group of three ships and the CV will fell more powerless than you ever thought (unless FDR, that ship is broken OP)

[@arci9561]

@@Dukenukem just go play wowp 😋

[@jaimemetcher388]

@@Dukenukem Which is actually the worst effect of CVs on gameplay. Everyone stays in a tight group at spawn because there's nowhere on the map you can be unspottted and you need to pool AA. Anybody forward of the spawn camp gets spotted, focussed, and dies. If they do make it to hard cover, they quickly discover that island hugging and torp dodging are mutually exclusive. Getting trashed by a CV drop is frustrating, but the real problem is the dismantling of vision and cover tactics.

[@twilinter5229]

@@Dukenukem -> "Another anti CV whiner" -> "unless FDR, that ship is broken OP" What are you then? I'd love to see a match where the team cv is a potato and the enemy cv is a unicum that got kraken unleashed and high caliber but the potato cv team still win. Sure that would be very, very interesting, please entertain us.

[@marcofava]

I don't usually play radar ships, and the 155 magami is one of my favourite ships. I've been getting great games in her both up and down tiered

[@johns.7609]

this should be mandatory viewing for anyone starting cruiser play.

[@mayhemuk88]

Great information mate

[@stephaniewilson3955]

Thank you for this.

[@RandomlySelectedUserName]

this video was really help full bcz i can't play with cruisers but would like to have german cruiser cz hindenbug is really good but before you get it you must play 4-5 hard tires... when ships doesnot have much armor and they get just oneshoted all time so these things wich u said here gonna be rly helpfull

[@Sotmax]

You're a master. I'll happily follow your suggestions as i'm a noob(especially at cruisers), and dying always cause of the things you said to avoid. I thought dds was the rogue ones but seems cruisers are too...

[@robertthompson728]

Thanks Dude! Have a great day!

[@Windows98R]

Honestly what I learned from cruiser line rushing is that the most important factor to surviving is maintaining a weirdly inbetween speed. You want to be behind your DDs, or advancing BBs but have the enemy in range. You never want to be the one first spotted, especially if you are not top tier. This ends up in this weird process dancing with the throttle to maintain a pace within your teams fleet and only going max throttle in an event of escape.

[@nikolaieh0624]

Health is like planes. You need to preserve it. Oh wait never mind

[@tim1polman]

This would actually explain why I was doing pretty good in the Cleveland,.. but not so much in more armored cruiserd... I played the Cleveland much more carefully, because its quite squishy,.. and it turns out that thats the better way to play because you keep the dps in the game. Thank you very much for this video. It does explain a nice few things. Things I did in a squishy cruiser,.. but not so much in more tanky ones, losing hp unnecessarily.

[@Dualities]

yeah this game is kinda static...sombody has to push...somebody has to be focused...

[@wesleynie3275]

This inspired me to pick up the mogami again which is one of my favourite ships except I ran into a double CV game. Actively dodging Perceival AP bombers and losing 65% of my hp in one strike and the other 35% to two ap rockets strikes.

[@justkev6277]

It's so important to not get impatient if you don't feel like your making a difference. I've had games, mostly in dds, where I feel absolutely useless for the first 15 mins for my time to come only in the last 5. WoWS is a slow game, patience is key. Don't get frustrated and suicide your ship.

[@brianodoherty4773]

Thank you sir. "It's been educational"

[@aleonard731]

great lesson, TY

[@thegreenfather1978]

I prefer runing double rudder shift upgrade, but seeing how much faster she accelerates with your build, it seems a good option too. I use PM instead of reload on her captain, too. Her AP is too situational in my opinion (but very strong when used properly). Very nice gameplay. I also like to kite in open sea when facing ships that would have a hard time hiting me (bad aim, "small" guns, long travel time etc). Raking up both high damage and high potential is pretty fun. I remember getting around 2M potential once (and 120k dmg, I think ?).

[@zongrenli3951]

Flamu: A good cruiser player always trades uneavenly Also Flamu: Art of the Deal

[@azravalencia4577]

This has been the best trade deal of the history of trade deals. Maybe ever

[@ErvinSalma]

Favourite cruiser in game :)

[@tomriley5790]

Carried so many games in the Mogami, the combination of kiting/island cover torpedo floods and starting fires is devastating for anyone trying to push into you. Can't help thinking after this there's going to be lots of cruisers saying "I was disengaging it's what flamu said to do" For the whole battle...oh wait that's what happens already :-)!

[@psgokhan]

I can't play WoWS because I'm too unskilled so I watch Flamu to play vicariously.

[@fockewulf9518]

The concealment build allows you to play a more central position and that is what is optimal i guess.

[@scheimong]

On the build you've got there, I think there could be two minor improvements. 1. 4th slot module: acceleration could be a bit more useful if you're already running rudder shift on slot 5, since it only increases rudder shift by 1.1 second or something but helps with starting and stopping so much. 2. Captain skill: perhaps consider replacing expert loader with preventative maintenance? 25mm plating means the turrets break from HE all the time, and this skill helps a tonne.

[@sandydonaldson4998]

Ok, yeah, I’ve been too aggressive. Thanks these are helpful.

[@airwarrior5125]

Thanks man. 👍

[@thanhha6978]

Thank you so much

[@brent07]

I love Mogami's 10 kms torpedo range. My favorite ship, I was able to master Mogami, thanks to Furutaka and Aoba.

[@RobertThompson-dk2eo]

Thank you, this many months later.

[@Seppe1106]

Props go out to the full speed turning Hindenburg I met yesterday, playing carefully at 21km away but still gets dev striked by my Georgia with a 13s shell flight time. ♥

[@odinsrensen7460]

This sounds like really solid advice, I'll definitely try to play more safely. But what do you do in open water?

[@Taooflu]

Thanks!

[@rokko1020]

one of my dreams is to be able to look at the enemy team like flamu and instantly know who can overmatch my armor because i know all the gun calibre and armor values like its second nature. this never ceases to impress me

[@VuHien2011]

You only need to remember that 27 mm stops 380 mm shells and 32 mm stops 406 mm shells

[@cemborembo]

It gets tougher when you try to remember what ships have improved pen, autobounce, deep torps, the size of the side plating, troll armor and you think: 'it was like this, wasnt it?' then you risk your move only to get punished because you confused some ships..

[@VuHien2011]

@@cemborembo We talk purely about overmatch mechanism here. Overmatch does not care about autobounce or improved pen. a 406 mm shell will overmatch 100% of the time a 27mm bow armor. The resulting damage will vary though depending on where the shell lands inside the targeted ship.

[@cemborembo]

@@VuHien2011 Shall I edit my comment to 'The game gets tougher', as (once you understood it) overmatch is by far the easiest armor mechanic? I didnt mean to go deeper into overmatch, as there isnt much more, but just continue on 'things a good wows player knows'

[@VuHien2011]

@@cemborembo I love it when people do not answer someone's post and then get frustrated when someone else is trying to go back to the original topic.

[@UlyssesMax]

Grand master of all masters .....

[@jorgneubauer9139]

WOWS at its best

[@daxnet6583]

THX!