Flash Hulk vs Snoko | Quarterfinals 4 - Quest for the Best Legacy Deck Ever

[@CardmarketMagic]

Decklists for this video: bit.ly/4cBQGuA All 21 decklists from the initial tournament & their results: bit.ly/4e33TxM

[@neminem233]

That flash bluff in game 2 was CRAZY, those are the type of things I'd never think about

[@HeneLv]

I was wondering like what is he doing? Then you realize he's just trying to get counters out. It's actually a super smart play especially after how quick game 1 was making the opponent think it's gameover if they don't use counter right away in game 2.

[@franciscovieira6469]

That play was amazing

[@MrPlow-jc4cr]

You'll see that fairly often from Show and Tell or with Flash itself in vintage Oath. Wonder if Jamin is an evil Oath gamer

[@muditjohar5323]

Ye. Loved that play. Especially when u are also risking a daze

[@christopherflink545]

Came here to say this. Just an absolute big brain move

[@Varler_]

The first game showcased just how broken Flash was, the second game showcased how strong of a player Jamin was! Amazing match! I thought it would be a bit closer.

[@ixioxp119]

tbh the beat down was kinda spearheaded by crazy card advantage

[@antha-earth]

yeah the double bluff with flash where he had no creatures in hand was fabulous

[@iulianbordeianu2415]

True I didn’t know he was so good he suprised me on how well he controled that top of the deck for conter balance

[@dylanrotariu9944]

Fun Fact…Jamin never won a match in these tournaments so this is his first semi final appearance

[@MenaceLendil]

The flashhulk deck winning by good old fashioned beat down is pretty funny.

[@Narakiomal]

WITH THREE BOBS NO LESS!! It's like going back in time lmao.

[@denissinner4625]

yeah this game showed that this wasn't just a linear combo deck with one of the deadliest 2 card combo to ever exist, it was build into a fully functioning UB counterbalance deck.

[@davidrice752]

That actually happened a bit, decks would be so overloaded with graveyard hate that it would just go to plan b very easily.

[@HungryOnPlane]

Fun fact! This is exactly what the sideboard Quirion Dryad's were for. The player who won GP Flash Hulk (Steve Sadin) basically played Counterbalance Tempo against all the mirror matches and that transformation was one of the big reasons he was so successful when the entire field (basically) was playing this combo deck.

[@kelabshearer5045]

Calling a game in which a hulk is flashed in to get three bobs "good old fashioned beatdown", while kind of true, feels a little disingenuous. That's still a hell of a combo.

[@Bolasaur]

THAT BLUFF!! 10/10 plays, absolutely masterful🤌

[@ThymeTwister]

I'm so happy that everyone got to the semifinals! Carl on Lands, Andrea on Delver, Thoralf on Miracles and Jamin on Flash Hulk! Also, it really showcases the sheer power of Sensei's Divining Top that TWO of those decks are Top decks (pun fully intended). No wonder that card got banned, it looks so innocuous, but with the very very powerful setup of legacy it's soooo strong

[@peanutsyrian9115]

It actually didn't get banned based on power level at all. It got banned due to the nightmarish amount of time it adds to matches in paper, especially by players who spin it all the time for no reason.

[@johnwalker6557]

@@peanutsyrian9115 It was soft banned in my local command group for a long time. Since it is an artifact, it goes in every deck and adds so much time to every game.

[@thehatcaseonyoutube]

​@@peanutsyrian9115I know that's common sentiment and I definitely agree, but I think the games are showing that the cards also just sort of disgusting outside the time issues.

[@estelaguarda5423]

​@@peanutsyrian9115it got banned because Miracle mechanic got printed and made Top overpowered, before that it was fine with BGx Bob decks and Counterbalance decks, but yeah mirror matches of Miracles especially are a snoozefest.

[@seanhenry5167]

12:40 the Flash bluff into double daze play was incredible

[@spidery7618]

That was SO good, Jamin read Carl like a book there 😂 my jaw was on the floor

[@Lori-Ori]

I don't understand it, he didn't have creatures in his hand to play with so, I don't get how he is able to cast it with no legal target to Flash in.

[@meta02]

@@Lori-Oriflash does not target, it simply allows you to put a creature card from your hand onto the battlefield, you don’t even need to put a creature in to play with it, it’s a may effect, you can just cast it and do nothing.

[@Lori-Ori]

@@meta02 oh ok thanks, I get it now. Yeah, I had to double check to find out that the modern printing had updated text to what was shown in the video, cause the version in the video sounds like it plays differently then it does.

[@MrPiotrV]

@@Lori-Ori neither version targets. you can't target cards in hand.

[@marxmeesterlijk]

You know it's a busted match if Snoko is the underdog.

[@gooob7548]

Seriously, Oko is strong but the deck is still “fair”

[@crawdaddy1234]

@@gooob7548Flash-Hulk is totally fair. Game 2 he just attacked with a bunch of Dark Confidants. 😂

[@apocalypsecod]

Underdog is an understatement here.

[@frog4504]

@@crawdaddy1234 "fair" in magic doesnt mean bad; it just means its not necessarily doing a linear gameplan. Snoko is a fair deck because its not trying to combo off or use fast mana - just broken asf cards and a powerful midrange plan. Flash hulk on the other hand is an "unfair" deck because it just wants to do one thing and one thing as quick as possible. Yes he won with dark confidants but that's not the goal of the deck, just a facet of jamin's skill

[@crawdaddy1234]

@@frog4504 You do understand jokes, right?

[@sergiofenoll7705]

Not a legacy player and probably never will be due to the cost of the decks but man do I love this series!

[@charmandenator5686]

I would ask your lgs about starting a proxy league. We have one in my town and it's quite fun

[@chemicalexposure8537]

Printer ink is very cheap compared to your average Modern deck!

[@ZiskaR-m6o]

I started playing a year ago there are some friendly proxy friendly legacy groups you can find sometimes even some proxy friendly tournaments for legacy

[@yeeaahh8863]

For online play Cockatrice is also an option

[@zkwalban5288]

In my city the Legacy community knows that the format is so expensive that they will be happy that you borrow cards/decks to get you into play and help you started!

[@Pastrytime]

Loved that Flash Hulk got to show off both of its broken modes in this series, what an absolute unit of a deck.

[@mcandrolallendelapena6375]

19:48 "stupid beyblade" i freaking lost it 🤣

[@MovesMcgee1]

Same. 😂😂😂

[@Narakiomal]

Absolutely masterful display of just how brutally stupid Flash Hulk is lol. Very well done Jamin.

[@jsweatisdead]

SPOILER BLOCKER

[@marianofritsch4025]

Deine Mudda hat gewonnen

[@slevnnn]

@@marianofritsch4025 Spoiler! Delver wins

[@isaiahwinfree8372]

You’re doing Heliod’s work 😢

[@jshavluk4342]

SPOILER BLOCKER

[@continuechaos]

Based comment

[@andreww479]

I remember when i started playing being show the turn 0 spirit guides, gemstone caverns, manamorphose flash hulk grabbing shiftting walls and disciple of the vault just all in combo and was expecting something like that when i saw Flash Hulk. Was not expecting to see Jank Kiki lines and the deck being able to grind out longer matches. Really cool deck

[@idanbhk3875]

It might look janky but it's absolutely tuned, that deck has room for whatever strategy wins and is super robust

[@Vladdamyre]

same here. that "all in" style probably looses more matches then it wins, cuz a leyline just kills it

[@chemicalexposure8537]

!SPOILER BLOCK! Dude, Jamin casting Flash in response to that Coatl in game 2 was a super heads-up play. Not sure I ever would have seen it, incredible play truly. Love this series!

[@unknownuser3000]

I unfortunately saw the finals before seeing this but I've been binging the entire series and just love the way you guys make your videos, explain things, how kind you are. It makes me wish I still had friends to play with magic, I'm disabled and can't really go anywhere but makes me wish I could start meeting people and playing. I don't have money or cards so would t even know where to start. Not really a fan of commander. I really wish I could meet people to play watching you guys makes me miss it.

[@FlibTheBard]

Flash Hulk is playing Yu-Gi-Oh while every other deck is playing magic.

[@hashtag156]

Thank you so much for bringing back the mulligan bottom indicator!

[@Sillimant_]

"Stupid beyblade" is the best thing I've ever heard. God bless you, Carl

[@daedalusdreamjournal5925]

This was ... something to behold. 😱😱😱 And watching it in the premiere made it even more exciting !

[@CardmarketMagic]

You were right in rooting for Flash Hulk 😅 that deck is busted! I'm happy you enjoyed the live :) we'll start doing that for each of the Best Deck Ever episodes

[@LiquidSoulfly]

(Have not watched the video yet) Flash/Hulk video going past 5 mins means someone must be slow rolling here! lol

[@denissinner4625]

Flash Hulk was so good because it could also very well win the "fair" game

[@estelaguarda5423]

Was thinking the same, "did Oko really won a game", so surprised Flash out-card advantaged the Oko deck, sick play w/ 3 bobs.

[@Starcrash6984]

Super fun. These videos make my Thursday every week.

[@MuxusGoblinGrandee]

Jamin played this so well! I'd imagine it's a good matchup and flash hulk is busted and all, but bluffing with the flash is next level.

[@Jhinjubei]

13:17 Jamin ends turn with 8 cards in hand, doesn't discard down to 7 18:44 Jamin ends turn with 9 cards in hand, doesn't discard down to 7 Pretty sure it doesn't change the outcome of this match.

[@DSR505]

there was an incredible amount of misplay and whatnot

[@dakkenly]

In his physical hand he's got 7, I think the on-screen graphic just wasn't caught up

[@jirdir9025]

He also did a bunch of things on endstep and so didn't have to discard down until his turn and then he did and then basically brainstormed again. They are also shown the cards he sees of top as well so those aren't in his hand at the end

[@Princederbat]

I noticed this too and was looking to the comments to see if I missed like a Reliquary Tower or something. But you're right, it probably didn't matter

[@harryburke1253]

​@@dakkenlyNot true. The top card of his graveyard is daze, which was cast before EOT. Everyone missed him having 8 cards in hand

[@888ian2]

Yo Jamin is an amazing FlashHulk pilot!! It was one of the coolest decks to me back when I was discovering mtg and it's so cool to have some modern footage of it!

[@MathisGries]

If Flash Hulk gets knocked out in round 1 I'm going to eat a pizza topped with chocolate. Unlikely and strange? Sure. But it would be a fitting send-off to a deck that would have wanted me to turn a flashy demise into surprising excess. I won't loop infinite food though because I'm not nearly as absurd as that combo. If Flash Hulk wins I will tell the other decks to sideboard in haste enablers - because they better run!

[@daedalusdreamjournal5925]

Spoiler . No chocolate pizza for you.

[@MathisGries]

@@daedalusdreamjournal5925 Spoiler Every round will add another ridiculous topping because Flash Hulk will win this tournament or I will eat my words

[@simonteesdale9752]

Honestly, if you use a sweet dough, dessert pizzas are delicious. Chocolate, banana and custard go together really well on a pizza.

[@daedalusdreamjournal5925]

@@simonteesdale9752 I was not aware of this. Thanks for the tip ! :)

[@pandaman2407]

Spoiler for pauper and modern best deck of all time. To be fair in two previous tournaments they did, the top contender got knocked out round 1 of top cut. Chatterstorm fell to elves because they drew poorly and Hogaak fell to scam because... they drew mediocre and also dauthi voidwalker is a hell of a card.

[@kharkarus]

This series is super useful to understand better a tooonnn of decks/cards i've never played myself but I've heard about a lot. It's pretty cool, and the games are p fun and entertaining :)

[@dannyboy1200]

Amazing video. Jeez Legacy games are wild, literally winning on turn 1 before your opponent even had a chance to go.

[@siradzki5905]

Props to carl for keeping his fighting spirit until the very end. Awesome match and video. Flash Hulk is a menace and I'm looking forward to future battles 😁

[@korbsen]

I feel like both of you played absolutely perfect, amazing games!! :)

[@petrseghman4283]

Great series, great decks. The only thing I'd bring up is not playing brainstorm main phase with fetches on the table. So much free value! Keeep up the great job, CM!

[@soupsovereign]

love these best deck series. great job guys

[@CardmarketMagic]

I'm happy you enjoy them :) this series is my baby! I put a lot of work into editing them

[@nicolapodgornik6644]

wow, ygo player here, that hulk combo is BROKEN

[@denissinner4625]

probably one of the most YGO-like decks in magic

[@CilantroGamer]

You should check out a deck called "Oops! All Spells!" for another really interesting (and super broken) combo.

[@soup3583]

Flash hulk is basically an FTK deck

[@Faustized]

First time I see the flash hulk deck it was crazy, and also very well piloted!

[@spidery7618]

These two decks are probably the Legac-iest decks that have ever Legac-ied, it's exactly what a newbie would expect from Legacy. Amazing video, Carl played really well to his outs, but man Jamin played out of his MIND that Flash bluff was in-sane 😂

[@FPRobber]

Such a great match. I really wish you did a quick 1 minute post game talk though. I'd love to have heard your thoughts on the match. (this applies to all your serious gameplay videos)

[@CardmarketMagic]

We use to do post game chats but got severely punished by the youtube algorithm. Only about 20% of the viewers would stick around for the post-match analysis and youtube only it as 80% of the people leaving the video at the same moment and assumed there was something problematic about it, so would then hide the videos from searches. That's why we cut exactly at the end of the game now

[@FPRobber]

@@CardmarketMagic Oh wow, that is horible! Totally understand your decision then

[@theringdk]

Could you post the post game commentary as a seperate video without being punished? I think people would watch it

[@CardmarketMagic]

@theringdk unfortunately, that would be equally bad for the algorithm. It means 1/3 of our videos would be content that only a small amount of viewers that have already watched one other specific video would care about, meaning they would only get a fraction of the views. If your videos fluctuate a lot in success, youtube also holds back on showing your content. Essentially, the youtube algorithm really encourages you to make as much of your content as generically likable as possible 😅

[@muditjohar5323]

@@CardmarketMagicwould it be possible to include those on the same site u use to talk about the tourney results from before? Even if it is on ur own site I would love to watch those post game talks

[@Sillimant_]

This match felt almost unfair, something I never thought I'd say about an oko deck

[@Poptropica07]

Flash bluff is sick, this deck seems unstoppable even if hulk is for value

[@Sinfulpapaya]

This was one of the strongest, best crafted and interesting decks i have ever seen

[@lastnamefirstname8655]

this week's legacy deck battle is intense as well! very exciting semifinals soon!

[@zendicarreborn8896]

That first hand was something to behold. Truly a protein shake x)

[@Valentine628-Pft]

Great games. Well played to both. Really enjoying this series.

[@AncientHydraGaming]

So far my predictions have been 100% in this series. I'm still hoping Lands takes it home in the end but Idk how lands beats Flash Hulk, if it even gets past Delver.

[@pummppkinn]

Jamin piloted Flash Hulk very well! Nice job Jamin. 👏

[@Erik_Sjostrom]

Coming home from a legacy tournament before watching this is such a good day. Hope that snowko wins.

[@99wattr89]

Wow, great game by both players. Congratulations Jamin! Carl, did you have any suspicions about the flash bluff? I'd love to get your thoughts on that play.

[@CardmarketMagic]

I did, since he did it mid combat with a counter war about to start, but the Empty Flash bluff is a typical one and is always strong because the opponent usually has no choice but to counter it. In this case, it would have gotten a Karmic guide and a Carrion Feeder, bringing back the Protean Hulk. This would have been game over

[@99wattr89]

@@CardmarketMagic Thank you for your insight! That does make perfect sense, and really highlights how brutal the matchup is for Snoko. I really appreciate that you and the rest of the team are active in the comments - this really is the best magic channel around.

[@glngrbread6363]

i love these videos! they really help me understand what makes a deck GOOD, just having a turn 3 combo is pointless if you can just get pthing needle-ed etc.

[@akshayasrivastava4406]

"stupid beyblade" had me dying Crazy cool Matches!

[@robert8984]

There is a reason why the Flash Hulk deck was legal in Legacy for less than a month. ;) Grand Prix Columbus 2007 - aka "GP Flash" ended all discussion about that immediately.

[@sinistre4998]

Wooow, that was BRUTAL!

[@rbeley]

Awesome video as always 💪 Just curious on when do you guys film those "in-game interviews" Do you pause the game and record them. Or do you record them after the match and just splice it in post. Thanks.

[@Joshfortian15]

Oh wow. I clicked a semi final vid to get to the channels playlist to click where I was up to which is this one. The semis vid was saying "to see which is the best legacy deck ever" and when I clicked this vid it happened to be perfectly in sync and it transitioned over perfectly but no one else will ever have seen it...

[@CardmarketMagic]

Wow 😅 that must have been a weird but cool moment!

[@frankvanderwaals6034]

These "Best deck" series are the greatest!

[@mageius]

I just love the opening hand game one. I mean it's almost as if it was planned out lol. I know it wasn't but it's still amusing.

[@Joshimuz]

Did killing a Dark Confidant lose the game? I think there were a few instances where if they went 1 card deeper they'd hit a high mana spell. And if the out/win con was to win via Dark Confidant damage, killing one and giving life seems counter to that? I get protecting the Teferi but what else was there to do? :P

[@SyntheticNuclear]

High Risk High Reward, Jamin could not brainstorm draw step so two big spells off bob could have been really bad

[@74003664]

Wow!! The game two was REAL MAGIC!!! That's the kind of things why I love this game. You are the best mtgtubers. Thanks you.

[@uvw1478]

I Love lagacy. I Hoppe that Channel Show more Lagacy. It is the Most Balance and the Most diverse way top play Magic. ❤

[@jacobespino6447]

This was needed especially since I just got a flat and need something to watch

[@xCLP18]

Congrats on your new place!

[@jacobespino6447]

@@xCLP18 flat tire lol but I appreciate the thought 😂

[@CardmarketMagic]

Hahahaha! We'll congratulations on your new future tire :P

[@jacobespino6447]

@@CardmarketMagic thank you! Forward and onward to the tire shop!

[@xCLP18]

@@jacobespino6447 well I hope your tire issue gets resolved and that you enjoyed a quick break to watch the video!

[@petrakat]

At 5:40 you can see Carl coping so hard his hair deflates hahahah

[@silassza2890]

Such a fun series to watch!

[@SIRLagalot007]

Jamin piloted that second game perfectly, such a good player

[@PsychoticSashimiS]

JEEZ flash hulk is wild Love y'all's energy!!!

[@davidhansen5067]

Damn, that was quite possibly the most commanding blue deck performance I've ever seen.

[@fionathegayesttiefling9867]

Hey all six of those sideboard cards are the cards I called being brought in! Tbf, it wasn't that hard a choice, but still, it's neat to be right

[@CardmarketMagic]

Well done :) unfortunately, I didn't draw enough of them 😅 and got surprised by a triple Dark Confidant. Still, was hoping that hate pieces into Ashiok might have done the thing :)

[@fredogknopfler]

I remember going through my old cards from when I was a kid after coming back to the hobby, seeing hulk and saying "holy shit, this card I thought it was cool IS cool".

[@idanbhk3875]

I remember thinking it was cool, putting it in my first commander deck and finding out it was banned, good times

[@Marlokan]

Jamin playing Flash when he had no creatures in hand was such a powerful move. He's such a good player

[@yan00155]

Man flash is so good Jamin didn't even need to go to clean up on the last turn

[@noegiussani3749]

Damn Jamin is a pretty good player, cool vid boys!

[@sebbbi2]

Nice value Flash to avoid GY hate. Similar to modern Storm decks running single copy of Song of Creation.

[@Vaasth]

Jamin played that perfectly, well done

[@JcProductionschannel]

I just love it that Carl calls the top a beyblade- makes me feel seen for having a deck called Urza Beyblade!

[@joelhatterini6392]

I think this is the first match in the series so far that can only be described as a blowout, I am terrified of what Flash Hulk is gonna do in the semis

[@MrKikke2]

YOU all have fun playing this decks, WE all have fun watching you play... WHY dont you play Snoko vs Turbo Initiative, and Breach Storm vs Omnitell?? MORE CONTENT!!!

[@denissinner4625]

yeah bring in the loser bracket :)

[@CardmarketMagic]

There are only so many videos we can do on the same topic before they get less views. We like to keep it fresh :) this series takes me so long to edit that I would be losing on the return if we did it for more than 8 videos. But we'll definitely be doing another tournament after this one in February! 🥳

[@GaybrohamStinkton]

​@@CardmarketMagic un-card and current/previous banned cards only when

[@estelaguarda5423]

​@@CardmarketMagic would like to see Omnitell vs Breach storm especially when a misplay cost both their matches.

[@TheRealPerkins]

Carlos is my favorite KZbin personality. Never change. Great shirt!

[@emdash8944]

Jamin was never at risk of dying to his Dark Confidants as he could sacrifice them at any time to the Carrion Feeder

[@throwawwy53]

"Welcome to Legacy, where all the spells are free!" yeah say that to my wallet

[@venerable_vole]

At 15:25 or so (-7:15 in the premiere), does Jamin pass the turn with 8 cards in hand? Am I missing a Reliquary Tower somewhere?

[@Joesus13]

I'm pretty sure I counted 9 in hand when that Plague Engineer was on the stack.

[@ComfyDents]

17:13 Home is where people say "converted mana cost". (And not mana value.) ❤

[@1sh1fty5]

The correct pronunciation of Protean is 3 syllables "prow-tee-uhn" and means great diversity or variety.

[@RoRoRoRonan]

It's great to see Jamin back in the MTG content, I know he was out of it for a little bit. Hope he's doing okay!

[@CardmarketMagic]

He's absolutely doing OK. He's just featured less on the channel since his main game is pokemon now and he's not in the loop for magic. He was never a big part of the yourube channel anyway, he just hopped in the videos when we were filming g because it was fun to get some games in with him :) he's the company's social media manager

[@kieranl5249]

love those og FOWs! No better art than the original

[@facemop134]

I just loved seeing Bob being actually good ❤

[@DeinOmma]

Ich Sehe Magigkartenmarkt Ich gebe einen Daumen nach oben! Super Video Liebe die Legacy und Paupervideos

[@dekina1198]

Sick beyblading!

[@walgrimmtrouveur-dor3058]

At 19:00, why does Flash player doesn't discard to 7 at end of his turn ?

[@Romulus-r6j]

at 13:00 it didnt happen either

[@Ninguin]

The good news is it wouldn’t have affected the game so no harm in this one case. He would have just pitched the mystical tutors to hand size.

[@Neon-chan2015]

The piloting of the Hulk deck was very good. Is there a reason to go with a pre-Future Sight Hulk list? I feel like the lists with Pact of Negation and Summoner's Pact were a lot stronger and with Future Sight releasing in May 2007 the updated lists with Pacts should have been just as viable for the format

[@nichitacruceanu9540]

we want more sharpie cube!!

[@Iptqwerty]

Love the hilarious onigiri T-shirt 😂

[@kindrogue5586]

My first time actually seeing a flash hulk deck in action. I now clearly see what the fuss is all about. Holy shit that deck does some illegal shit.

[@fluffmallow1159]

Is it pronounced confident or confidant? English is my second language and I'm impressed by how well they speak it on this channel. The content is also great:-)

[@LtLukoziuz]

In this case, Confidant. Confident - adjective, one who is showing confidence Confidant - noun, one you confide (i.e. plot in secret) with

[@disafear3674]

That was super fun to watch

[@illiacvie]

at18:44, why Jamin can have 9 card hand? did i missed something? or its simply honest mistakes.

[@RoxyGotMoxy.]

There is only one thing that could have made this legacy tournament better for me (cuz i'm biased as its my pet deck) - MANALESS DREDGE!! WHO NEEDS LANDS?! Oh. you're playing lands.. guess you need lands then... but still.. ZOMBIE ARMY GOOOOOOOO!

[@thegreatmaximilian]

As expected. Flash Hulk is my favorite to win the whole tournament.

[@dirkakkermann4510]

Ich bin spät dran aber was für ein Game! Flashhulk ist einfach ein absolutes Powerhouse ❤

[@JanePlaysMagic]

The power levels are just INSANE

[@zackpumpkinhead8882]

The best combo deck seamlessly slotted into the best control deck. Several cards he'll never cast, because he'll never need to. Just beat the opponent to death with your value engines attatched to creatures.

[@tanyushing2494]

Damm that was brutal to watch. What other decks in the tournament can even beat a turn 0 win?

[@cladothehobbit8290]

My question is how in the world did a Goblins deck take 2nd and a mono black aggro deck playing plague sliver take 2nd and 4th at the Grand Prix that Flash Hulk wrecked. Would be interesting to see those matchups replayed at some point.

[@lars_rosenberg]

Jamin played like a real pro this game!!!