Patrick Roberts: What Went Wrong for the "English Messi"

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[@CamembertRun]

I'm beginning to think that branding kids 'The (Insert nationality here) Messi' is a really bad idea.

[@ianheppenstall2955]

I live in Vietnam and the Vietnamese Messi (Cong Phuong) has spent most of his career not playing at various clubs and has wasted most of his career and talent as a result, so you are probably right there. In fact he's played more times at international level than club matches at 29!

[@roaarylion5214]

Belgian Ronaldinho?

[@MrMmnngghh]

I want to know who the Tanzanian Haaland is going to be 😁 Sometime these silly phrasings work.... e.g., the Maradona Of The Carpathians, the Stockport Iniesta, but yeah.....most of the time dubbing a young kid The (insert) of the (insert) is a bad idea.

[@STSauto]

We had Ryan gauld ! Went from Dundee untied to Portugal , now a descent player in the MLS ! If your small , fast footed - your the (nationality) Messi 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿✌️

[@WCSGolf]

​@@ianheppenstall2955 it's like labeling a ship unsinkable.. it's tempting fate lol

[@dscwac396]

Ahhh city being super honest with those transfer fee and finances i see 😂. Id take Fulhams word on the fee

[@stu8758]

Too many bad loan moves, not enough stability

[@badwolf7777]

For sure, loans are quite disruptive. What's the point in joining the City academy to access the great training when you're not actually there to benefit. Such a shame, such a talent

[@nathan105]

There's a guy I've not thought about for years. Remember being very intrigued when he signed for Celtic on loan (not a Celtic fan)

[@mrhan8308]

Karamoko dembele??

[@joegannon4212]

Talking of mercurial Celtic wingers, I’d enjoy a video on Karamoko Dembele. I remember thinking he had Messi level potential when he first broke through

[@DrJoeyMagnum]

he kind of did one on him kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZecqaaDr5qdjdUsi=tvvBlxNsI7ljQg0i&t=151

[@d4v1do]

Messi is a bit of a reach. I would’ve said someone like sterling

[@joegannon4212]

@@d4v1do I see your point but Sterling was just a speed demon in his early days whereas Karamoko was taking on SPL defenders at about the age of 14 with real skill

[@user-pw6gm1tu6q]

@@joegannon4212 lol sterling been a star for liverpool man city chelsea and england,dembele has made a few sub appearances while 5 nil up in SPL now plays league one but yeah hes better than that just a speed demon sterling

[@colinwilliams4338]

Celtic fans compairing dembele and Roberts with messi how deluded they are.messi,s sons are way better than them 2 clowns stay off the buckfast wine ya divvy,s.

[@Bale4Bond]

Had he stayed with us (Fulham) for atleast two more years he would have probably turned out different.

[@benmccabe6927]

Or us - he was great for us and really well liked by the fans

[@harford07]

Same with Ryan Sessignon and Fabio Carvalho

[@Bale4Bond]

@@harford07 Ryan stuck around with us for probably one year too long. He was ready even prior to our relegation in 2019. I'd agree with Carvalho, though.

[@bens4602]

I wanted City to include him in a few games. I thought they would. Once he’d had time wasted rotting on the bench, he’d never recover the form.

[@STSauto]

City should be ashamed what they have done to not only his career but a few other young promising players . I'm a city fan . There were never any intentions of him playing in the first team , at Fulham he had opportunities . He was brilliant for Celtic , saw him a few times when watching hearts , but I think that would've been the easy option for him . As big as Celtic are , 6 big games a year and European football for a few months doesn't develop him any further . Imagine the knock in confidence, from the high if joining city , to moving around on loan . Was there even any profit in buying and selling him ??! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿✌️

[@brianbru]

People scoff at the thought of Roberts back to Celtic not realizing that one U21s match he played for us before joining the first team squad was one of the shrewdest moves we could have done. He is, under UEFA Guidelines officially a Homegrown registerable player for Celtic at both club, and country.

[@bobbybobstar1496]

Nobody cares.

[@charliemccfc]

Playing an u21 match doesn't make him homegrown for us. He would have had to been at Celtic for at least 3 years

[@Bludvane_77]

Was gutted when his loan deal at Celtic ended, I'd love to have him back again some day.

[@amc2004uk]

As a Gers fan, Roberts was one that worried me, in his first season he looked like he was going to develop into a world class talent, then he had that injury hit second season.. then everything fell apart as is talked about in this video

[@3lettersl0l]

Loved him at Derby. He may only have 2 goal contribution but both were crucial in keeping us in the championship for 1 more season. Wished he would've stayed with us for longer.

[@21Maxwell]

I remember seeing clips of him as a kid at Fulham and he looked unreal. Probably say moving to City too early done him and probably the 2nd loan to Celtic which was hampered by injuries. After the initial 18 month deal at Celtic probably should have looked at a Prem loan move.

[@ads74555]

To be fair Adidas made the list it wasn't messi, notice they were all Adidas athletes.

[@recruitmentch]

If you look at him in terms of physique, he is probably a little more muscular than Bernard silva but similar stature. You watch Bernardo silva every game, and you see not only an outstandingly talented one but one with the hunger of a footballer who just broke into the first team on that day. He contributes in attack, assists, scores goals, but then there are times you see him chasing back into his own penalty area to nonchalantly win possession back etc. He plays on the right wing, and yet pops up in almost every position to hustle, harry and be the true epitome of a team player. It is all about mentality. In Pep's team, everyone bar Haaland puts in a shift every game. To be successful in today's game, there is simply no such luxuries as 'free roles'. We see that here in Milan with Leao. He literally gives the team almost nothing out of possession. And that in turn has him susceptible to criticism when he doesn't score/assist. To succeed in this modern game (actually win the top trophies), you need 10 outfield players that are like hounds chasing a rabbit. Otherwise you'll be left behind.

[@DemonetisedZone]

Pep's "special inhalers" probably help, dont forget Pep was banned for drug abuse (steroids) as a player, the doctor got suspended, Pep then became coach at La Masia years later and got same crooked doctor to prescribe Growth Hormones to a child (Messi) who was 2inch below average height

[@recruitmentch]

@@DemonetisedZone aha. so the entire Barcelona team were drugged up, so were all the Bayern Munich players and now Man City too. Anything to make your feeling of resentment any less insufferable, fella.

[@84Victorious]

In all, this guy has not had a bad career and has done pretty well considering all the loan moves.

[@MrBadsanta78]

Loved wee Paddy at Celtic, great little player 🤩🤩

[@micky1up]

and that his limit a 2 horse race for that last 40 years pub league

[@MrBadsanta78]

@@micky1up what team do you follow ?

[@christopherr3676]

​@@micky1uppl is a one horse race 😅

[@Street-shitter]

@@micky1upwow, a small basic sentence and 5 mistakes. Literacy levels of a 7 year old Micky. Here…….take this fractured eye socket🤡🤛🏻

[@JIMMYCFC]

@@micky1up Is that it that's your patter pub league ffs. Probably a Hull fan or something ya pube.

[@harrisoncrawford3304]

Love the videos pal. Always a regular

[@spinyslasher6586]

Messi probably did not put much thought into the wonderkid list he put out. it was probably not even made by him, but given to him by his media team.

[@bigplanslittledrive4791]

You know the mini documentary is good when you end up feeling sorry for the professional football. 👍 a privileged career can be a poisoned chalice

[@mastercontrol469]

Joining Man City is what ruined him, 7 years as a city player, 1 league appearence

[@handsolo1209]

No, he defied Pep, and that is what ruined him. He had been on loan to Celtic, came back and Pep wanted to send him on loan to a PL club (I think it was Southampton). He refused and said he wanted to go back to Celtic. Pep saw that as a weak mentality (Southampton in the PL is a much tougher place to go), so that finished him. After that the club just wanted rid of him.

[@mastercontrol469]

@@handsolo1209 as a Pompey fan, I completely understand why he wouldn’t want to join Scum. 😂💙

[@coljj4356]

James McAtee is at a similar crossroads now. Helped Sheff Utd get promoted and then City wanted to loan him out to a better team. He instead dug his heels in to go back to Sheffield.

[@handsolo1209]

@@coljj4356 I think in his favour though is that he wasn't bought like Roberts was, so he has value as club trained, and even though he defied the club and went to Sheffield, it was at least a PL team, not a pub league. The situation has some similarities, but it's not 100% the same.

[@timb4924]

Very well researched and interesting content❤

[@flashbackfootball1367]

Thanks man, I appreciate it!

[@PaulEcosse]

Guy's got a well deserved trophy room. Good days at Celtic. He's in the History Books for sure. And a lot of folks menories.

[@michaelward5370]

Patrick Roberts should have signed a full time contract with Celtic! He seemed at home at Parkhead, who knows how his career would've panned out if he had!!

[@cbarclay99]

This video suggests that when City were ready to sell, Brendan Rodgers was no longer interested in buying Roberts.

[@KarlBainbridge]

The English Messi was Peter Beardsley IMO.

[@recruitmentch]

What a player!!! I'm Italian but growing up I couldn't help but be absolutely enchanted by Beardsley. We began having English matches shown on tv here in the mid 90's, and at that time he was at Newcastle. He was so effortless. A truly class player who isn't mentioned enough.

[@daviddavid2890]

Messi is the Argentine Beardsley

[@elijahtan-whyusehandle]

I'm really surprised when Souness sell Beardsley to Everton..

[@DavyRo]

Roberts is loved at Sunderland, I'm a season ticket holder. He needs the right manager it obvious. For the right manager he's a world beater. But don't be thinking for 1 second we don't love him & want him playing in our starting 11. He suffered with injuries last year. If you look at our form. Without him we dropped like a ton of hot snot.

[@Demondoink1]

It’s not a broken loan system. It’s just that Robert’s wasn’t good enough, or mentally tough enough to earn a permanent contract after each loan. Diallo, who you mentioned in the video, is now getting games for Man U after his Sunderland loan. Malik Tillman, after being on loan at Rangers, ripped it up in the Eredivisie and won the league with PSV and got in to the CL knockouts. Just cos one player failed after several loans doesn’t mean the loan system isn’t effective. He just clearly lacks mental toughness and doesn’t have a good enough work rate.

[@xdvanced7120]

As much as he didn't live up to the "English Messi" hype... He's adored at Sunderland, he hasn't particularly got the goal output we'd like but he scored one of the most important goals in our recent history and is a great player to watch, everybody here loves him. Also I disagree that his future is up in the air currently. The only way I can see him leaving is if a better culb comes in for him with a lot of money and he wants to leave... Any manager with a brain knows he is our best right winger and should be starting every match he's fit

[@flashbackfootball1367]

You can't help but love wee Paddy!

[@xdvanced7120]

@@flashbackfootball1367 Of course not! Great video btw

[@michaelward5370]

I'm glad that he's playing well at Sunderland, and I'm glad that he's found a club that loves him! He deserves that!!

[@thebigyin5274]

As a Rangers fan. You are really good with the stories. Can see you put plenty work into it. Well done mate

[@thatfootyshirtguy1450]

Maybe a few years ago but his time to come back to Celtic is over. He’s not really progressed since leaving Celtic, mainly due to injuries. He’d be no better than what we have right now which is a shame because I loved him when he played for us. A guy that could get bums off seats. Hopefully he has a very good career going forward.

[@justmadeit2]

Not heard of him till now, good player, shame he didn’t get bought by Liverpool

[@JIMMYCFC]

Totally agree bring him home. Paddy needs to feel wanted & welcome and like u say he's better than what we have plus Rodgers will get best out of him again.

[@bens4602]

I agree with you about a Celtic move. At the very least, success there would lead to some redemption, as it did for another ex City man, Hart. At best, it’s not absurd to think success at Celtic could materialise in a mid table PL club playing attacking football giving him a shot and him becoming a PL mainstay.

[@happylamola6560]

If he went to Dortmund he wldve shone if Sancho can certainly Roberts also

[@recruitmentch]

FlashBackFootball - Davide Calabria has had a great career Milanisti watching this - how do we tell him, bro 👀

[@sethparker3381]

Alex Muyl actually currently plays for my local club, Nashville SC! :) I know we're not a "big" club by any means, even by MLS standards, but he has made over 100 appearances for us!

[@pushon10]

10:32 aww, why did you have to remind me of that match!? XD I'm still morning that cup final loss!

[@jonathanmcroberts8549]

Great video.

[@gordonferrar7782]

Fabio Cavallo is another one Fulham is the perfect place to develop Fulham fans tend to be easy going and understand what's actually going on with long term development. I could see what was going to happen with Roberts might as well say the same about Fabio whose talent is huge but went for the money and is back where he started with Hull.

[@eddladio8096]

Been great at Sunderland 👍

[@bobbybobstar1496]

Has he bollocks you bum

[@michaelsayers481]

Hope you sign a new deal for us as a 93 born and bRed in Hendon Sunderland can honestly say I’ve never seen us such nice football when your used to the classic sam alllardyce no hate I love you pls sponsor my car insurance, our manager will define our season

[@lastrebelmedia8683]

he'll be back at Celtic this summer.

[@pjoseph5950]

He isn't that bad!

[@rustyrench4278]

Your content is fantastic, genuinely

[@safchazza_]

was unreal with amad and mowbray in charge but in the season just gone he wasnt the same after an injury vs rotherham

[@Louis-Souness]

He was some player for his time at Celtic, I remember the roar when he came on vs man City in the 3-3 Draw, we all knew he was something special.

[@user-pw6gm1tu6q]

obviously not

[@Louis-Souness]

@@user-pw6gm1tu6q Celtic fans knew and he was for us.

[@21hazza]

It was Stewart Webber who thought that Robberts would be a good signing for Norwich.

[@johnmitchell2269]

You still have to be decent to play in the Championship you know. His career is not that of a failed one.

[@ChrisLewis-ef8rs]

This is a really good channel well done mate 👏

[@flashbackfootball1367]

Much appreciated!

[@benedictwallis5820]

Like be a great signing for my club Pompey! Big fan base, attacking football, close to London and an open position on the right wing. Would love to see it 👌

[@sch9673]

Roberts isn't leaving, we rejected 5m in Jan. He's contract till 2026/basically 2027 as we have a club option of a further year.

[@flashbackfootball1367]

Hope you're wrong and Brendan brings him back to Celtic!

[@sch9673]

@flashbackfootball1367 don't see it mate. We will lose Clarke for 20m+ and have no reason to sell Roberts.

[@abrupt_oliver]

Pompey is nowhere near London dummy

[@_resource-guy1878]

Like to see a Scott McDonald video

[@Big_Yin]

He's a bam

[@michaelward5370]

I hated Scott Macdonald when he was at Motherwell, but loved him at Celtic! He turned out to be a fantastic player for the Hoops!!

[@Big_Yin]

@@michaelward5370 but a bam in person

[@michaelward5370]

@@Big_Yin, I've never met him, so I couldn't say! But I'll take your word on it!!

[@michaelward5370]

@@Big_Yin, but he was a great player for Celtic!!

[@badwolf7777]

I remember when United and City were both trying to sign him. Sadly, like many others, he fell for the lie of the City academy. Like Gazza going to Spurs instead, what might have been. It's great to see him playing, he's a player who you just enjoy watching, who's football brain is far ahead of most around him

[@Rockydenzel]

Similar to Harvey Elliott difference is the club he went to and the club Harvey went to and he was mikes ahead of Harvey . Moral is Man City cannot nurture talent simple as

[@badwolf7777]

True story. They wanted the academy for show, but never give the players the chance. It's purely to make money. And that's even if the player is allowed to stay there and not be sent on loan

[@user-pw6gm1tu6q]

foden and palmer might disagree

[@Poolie77]

@@user-pw6gm1tu6q Palmer played how many games for City??They wouldn't play him or loan him out!!

[@user-pw6gm1tu6q]

@@Poolie77 they still nurtured his talent and coached him every single day for many years how cant u see that?do u think he sat on his arse his whole city career then one session with the chelsea coaches he became a player

[@Poolie77]

@@user-pw6gm1tu6q City bought Doku for £55m, a younger player than Palmer to play in a similar position........

[@TheVanpablo79]

Not forcing his sale to Celtic was an error… put too much pressure on himself in the 2nd loan

[@10K_MMore]

Love Robby, sound guy when I met him

[@tomocchii]

Chanathip is playing in the J League now. I didn’t know he was named by Messi as one of the best wonder kids

[@Mosballinsexy123]

He was the next messi the injury killed his career.

[@justablokepostingfunvids7137]

I remember ange said in an interview he had the chance to sign Roberts but opted not to as he felt he lacked the desire required which is a shame luved him at celtic

[@flashbackfootball1367]

I tend to trust big Ange's judgement, so perhaps he had a point - would still take him back though, i reckon Brendan rodgers could do something similar with him that he did with Sinclair back in the day.

[@waynemarshall8836]

Football really is a ruthless game

[@blackandlight9713]

I am prove that it's not good to call people the next Messi. I was the Kenyan Messi and now i don't know what happened to me 😢😂

[@privateagent]

Happens a lot.

[@cbarclay99]

Excellent video. The first conclusion I draw is that young professional players should play each game as if it is the last game they will ever play. It is easy to drift into bad habits, gain an injury or allow doubts to grow in a manager's mind. The second conclusion is how too many loan deals can permanently damage a player's career. I would say two years max. The player had great speed and skill. However some of the shots of him playing in Scotland and in the Championship/Division 1 show him being given an amount of space that he wouldn't receive in the EPL. Sounds like he also gave his opponents a lot of space to play in too. Perhaps only a doctor giving Roberts a medical could answer this. Did playing so much as a youngster against bigger and heavier players give him longer term injury problems? The media often measure players by how young they were when first training with or playing for the first team. Often it is better for a player to build up his strength first.

[@user-yf1to2fx9r]

British media will claim every 16 year old is the next Messi

[@frankfrank6631]

Nothing went wrong, he just wasn't the english Messi.

[@user-fo9bv2mm1g]

No goals in 32 appearances for Sunderland this season.

[@colinadams5390]

As per usual big club took him away from smaller club. He should have perfected he's skills at Fulham.

[@redmed10]

Doesn't work hard enough. Happens so much with players who don't have the mentality to chase back. They think it's below them. The water carriers do that.

[@mutts.nutts1]

Different view from me as a newcastle fan Watchws roberts since Fulham when he broke in and always looked a brilliant talent. As a hated Sunderland lad I can still honestly say they ade ao poor this season i dont feel its his fault, if he goes back to Celtic could well rejuvenate him - with Will Still on his way to su sunderland though i could see him needing a player like Roberts at a cash strapped club

[@user-dr2ww2jg8o]

32 games 0 goals this season shocking

[@simonw1313]

Should never have went to Man City at that stage where he was never going to get played and would be endlessly loaned out.

[@caffs7777]

Would welcome him back at Celtic with open arms. I'm sure he would find his best form again in front of us. Shame his career has gone this way, but what do you expect when you sign for Man City. Pretty much every English player they sign decline and are out the door a few years later.

[@JustMattLive_]

As a Fulham fan he was very good saw a big club go in for him and saw money signs then flopped could he of been good if he stay? Maybe am i happy he left yes we got 10 mill for him to just flop

[@andysawers6534]

Football flashbacks, just change your name to celtic flash backs

[@flashbackfootball1367]

I like to, and will continue to make vids about other things as well, just people seem to enjoy the Celtic content the most!

[@andysawers6534]

​@@flashbackfootball1367 your views say other wise but OK

[@flashbackfootball1367]

@@andysawers6534 not really sure what that means

[@pushon10]

He is only 5 days older than me.

[@the-blue-barron2791]

no-one cares

[@PT7Games]

Grass isn't always greener. Sorry, Pat!

[@Haydos4032]

Nothing new, the previous generation was full of “next Maradona’s”

[@forestgrumpy119]

Pep doesn't really know how to develop young talent, he was lucky with barca

[@grokopf142]

Still love Paddy

[@marioncharleston]

Doesnt really explain what goes wrong.just keeps saying how amazing roberts is.obviously a CELTS man.

[@flashbackfootball1367]

Pretty sure I give several reasons - Injuries, too many loans and perhaps questionable mentality and attitude.

[@flashbackfootball1367]

Oh and Man City not selling him to Celtic

The title of the video is very misleading as ya think he flopped from the start but he had an alright career playing for Celtic, played for Man City a few times(before they was the Man City of today -just, Norwich, went to Spain and whoever else. He may not have been the English Messi but he wasn't a total flop like the title implies - SOMETIMES YA HAVE TA TAKE 1 STEP BACK TO TAKE 2 STEPS FORW

[@bobbybobstar1496]

"YA" EMBARRASSING "YA" SELF With DA CAPS LOCK "YA" PLANK

[@SaudiGod]

He’s constantly booed by Sunderland fans. I like him he got spat on against sheff Wednesday

[@LienLeon]

I wonder how the buy and loan system has effected players careers. I reckon it must have killed more than it made. Ok it weeds out the weak but what happens to the weak? Asdas?

[@DemonetisedZone]

u cannot bring in a player who is so injury prone, insanity🙄

[@9VK7]

8:47 sounds like the narrator's rapping to the beat

[@georgianwindow]

At Sunderland Patrick had Pritchard Ross Stewart and Dan Neil .. in the second season he had the super fast football brain that is Amad to play with.. But 2023/24 Patrick got injured no Amad Ross Stewart Pritchard and Beale clashed .. So Patrick never got started nand never scored.. He needs top players to keep his game inspirational .. Watch the li nk ups with Pritchard and Amad .. You just can't get that wavelenth from lesser players.. Patrick also needs athe right manager ..

[@ch0ux698]

Would love him to come back to Celtic m

[@planetebeautecali4485]

He was never the Next Messi, there just can't be another Messi especially in this era of calculated uninspiring football.

[@bushmonster1702]

Tell me about it. Football is boring and robotic now.

[@CELTIC1888JINKY]

Roberts shouldve stayed at celtic

[@flashbackfootball1367]

Man City, and pep, seemed determined not to sell him to celtic. Really not sure why

[@the-blue-barron2791]

Scottish football is played at a very, very poor level. Pepe knew it would be terrible for Roberts career.

[@wonjubhoy]

@@the-blue-barron2791 He scored twice for Celtic in the Champions League. He was involved in his fair share of big games while at Celtic. Manchester City failed to beat Celtic in 2016 and they are dominating English football. Celtic seemed to give City more of a challenge than their domestic opponents.

[@YerDa67]

@@the-blue-barron2791Champions League… Rangers are at a decent level. Any time a club plays the old firm it’s like a cup final. You know absolutely nothing about what you’re talking about.

[@Big_Yin]

​@@the-blue-barron2791🛎🔚

[@itfc88]

Still only 27

[@BIGBAZ07]

Have him back at Celtic no problem Brendan him play him where his strengths are

[@justmarty2619]

City 115 ruined his development early to keep their quota right, he would have flourished with a permanent club notably Celtic.....just saying

[@Tom_bradys_unretirement]

Efootball fans know songkrasin

[@crimsonlightbinder]

the problem with Roberts is, unfortunately, he plays football that is no longer played. He is a baller, while in 2024, the footballers need to be athletes. He played 80s or 90s style of football,which is nice to the eye, but no it's just pass pass pass, no dribbling,no nothing, just pass until you are 2 yeards from the goal line

[@flankspeed]

Michael Beale sucked at Sunderland? Who'd have thought it? 😏

[@Midtable1881]

Another talent ruined by countless loans, when will clubs learn?

[@vinceely2906]

The new Messi is Messy. It’s a messimile that shouldn’t be allowed. (Good vid as always though)

[@EponaDreams-AmbientDreamscapes]

Bring him to man utd please

[@McGregorJ1994]

Should’ve stayed with us at Celtic

[@jaymestrodden4916]

He went to Sunderland thats were it went downhill. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@ashleyhyne7027]

Was anyone the German Bloomer or the Brazilian Bloomer. No? Ridiculous.

[@francolive5718]

He sounds like the sort of player who'd be eligible for the Republic of Ireland but isn't.

[@sampahtetapsam21]

England never produce such high level player The nearest is Gazza

[@spms3018]

Like many he thought Celtic were the beginning….

[@TheMasterpiecePD]

Considering the list's suspicious diversity, I imagine it was something just handed to him by his assistants who put it together in a night to repeat

[@miggybaldboy3573]

Man you should talk about the Spfl. The development of the league is dogshite! But Great Video❤