FlashForge M5Pro - better than K1 or even BambuLab?

[@Rcschim]

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[@acronedrone]

die affiliate links gehen bei mir leider nicht

[@Rcschim]

@@acronedrone komisch. habs grad erfolgreich getestet, probier mal einen direkten Geekbuying link bitte: www.geekbuying.com/item/Flashforge-Adventurer-5M-Pro-3D-Printer-521998.html?idev_id=4729&.geekbuying.com&

[@acronedrone]

geek geht und direkt bei flashforge auch@@Rcschim

[@Rcschim]

Ok, vielen Dank für's Feedback. Ich hab die shortlinks von URLC.net wieder rausgenommen und gegen die etwas längeren Geekbuying Dinger ersetzt.

[@acronedrone]

geek funktioniert danke, liebe grüße@@Rcschim

[@802Garage]

They just released Klipper firmware for the 5M series and have apparently made the design open source as well. Big step!

[@Rcschim]

Great, thanks for the info, didn't see this yet. Will check it out instantly

[@PRFcory]

What exactly does klipper firmware mean ? Sorry I'm a mid level into this printing just bought me one of these bad boys and it coming in tomorrow

[@802Garage]

@@PRFcory Most printers for several years were running Marlin firmware. It was installed on the 3D printer's board and would process the G-code to run the printer and create the print. It is lightweight and can run on very low spec processors with little memory usage. Klipper is a more recent firmware development which requires more processing power, but is more powerful. It can be run on a device separate from the printer and send all the processed commands to the printer or it can all be integrated into a single printer package. Think of it sort of like a flip phone vs a smart phone. Both can make calls, but one can do all sorts of other fancy stuff too, it just takes a lot more power. So Klipper can track a lot more info mid print, can alter plans on the fly like canceling a single item to be printed, and it can perform more advanced printing calculations. That last part is important because it enable pressure advance which is what most people rave about. Basically because Klipper software can take advantage of data like machine resonance and very precise flow rates, it can send commands which will generate a higher quality print much faster. It's not that Marlin can't send the same commands really, but more so that the advanced calculations require so many commands that the more basic hardware will generally get overloaded. Klipper also has lots of features and add ons to enable actions like WiFi printing, print queues, camera monitoring, and more. In the case of the Adventurer 5M printers, they have a version of Klipper built in, but it was a customized and locked version by Flashforge. By allowing base Klipper to be installed, it opens the printers to use all the other add on software and mods available to the public and for open source bug fixing.

[@Rcschim]

@@PRFcory 802Garage already answered it perfectly ;) in short: your FF5 already has klipper on it - but locked. Good thing is, we dont need the open klipper since the stock installation runs very reliable - and with the latest beta of orca slicer I also got the feature of WIFI printing (which until now meant I would need the open klipper). (see the seperate video I did 2 days ago if you need that feature).

[@MCsCreations]

Fantastic review, Mario! Thanks! 😃 Great printer indeed! I hope they fix the issues! Happy new year! And stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@Rcschim]

Thanks Mario, happy new year to you as well - you'll, be in 2024 a few hours before us ;)

[@GregCobb]

I love using this printer. It is so painless. Most all nozzle clogs are a result of filament not being changed out properly. When I realized that a proper change was a problem, I haven't had one since. One foot if filament to save me from a headache is great! Flashforge has great after sales support. Their Dev team does listen to the end user.

[@Rcschim]

Yes! It’s my most reliable one. That being said, yesterday I had my nozzle clogged ;) changed from petg on the 0.4 back to pla. Didn’t work, skipping gears sound from the extruded. In the end I swapped in the 0.6 nozzle. Now I need to see if I get the last few bits of petg out of the nozzle, or else by another 0.4 nozzle to exclusively have one for petg? That’s their recommended way…. The other day I had filament stuck in my k1 extruded gears, because I didn’t have enough patience on filament changes. But I found a great video… Greets, Mario

[@krige]

I would also mention that air filters come with the pro version

[@AlexDiamonds]

I really like that it stopped when it scraped the bed. And I really respect that you took responsibility for not clicking in the nozzle instead of blaming the printer. While I was watching the video, I knew immediately that was going to happen before it did because it appeared that you didn’t re-level the bed to calibrate after Nozzles. I also worried that the left and right tabs on the reality build plate would make it not slide into place as level as the flash plate but it seems that wasn’t a problem.

[@Rcschim]

Yes, noob error ;) but it was my first quick change nozzle. Since this 1 incident this didn't happen again tho. Creality bed fits if you Dremel out the v shaped I think. At least my old creality bed needed this. Still one of the best quality printers I have. A shame they don't have a larger 30x30 version...

[@RRSF09]

@@Rcschim Also you forgot to click the "Level bed" checkbox before pressing the print button. I do that every time I print and haven't had any issues with prints.

[@mrtyecee]

Great video! I just bought one of these for my business and looking forward to setting it up. Thanks for the great video! 🙏

[@Rcschim]

Thanks, you'll enjoy this for sure! It's still my go-to printer if I need good quality and reliable parts.

[@maddczar]

Dang that camera mount is genius!

[@802Garage]

Wow it's actually very impressive it stopped the print because of that bed scrape! Sucks it happened, but a lot of printers would keep going and destroy everything. 😂

[@Rcschim]

The nozzle disconnected as well, I guess this is why it stopped...

[@802Garage]

@@Rcschim Ah definitely makes sense! I thought of that while watching the video and then forgot you said so. Still, would most machines stop? Hopefully newer ones, hahaha. Part of the benefit of modern firmware/software though.

[@noneya135]

Thank you for the in depth review. It was very informative and helpful.

[@calmac2002]

Hi There, Apologies if this is the wrong way to ask you but have you tried or heard anyone using the Klipper Mod Beta? I've been browsing for more info on it since I found out about the A5M as I would love to get one but not having mainsail is a bit of a dealbreaker even with the Wi-Fi bits of orca now working with the 2.0 release. any input is massively appreciated

[@Rcschim]

nope, I just used it as it is. Honestly, it works that well - don't wanna mess it up myself ;)

[@MadRC]

Not finished the video yet but great to see Flash Forge still around. My first printer was a FF.

[@Rcschim]

I heard the brand now and then, but didn’t notice they were in the game since early on… so far really good experience with it!

[@Rcschim]

hey, on the phone I didn't realize it's you Ian ;) Nice to see you around here. FF seems to have less recognition - on the Creality videos - the views are higher since more ppl search for it... The FF5pro is a good ammount better than the K1. Can't believe how deep I got into 3D printing over the last few months again - now I understand your passion for it more ;) Good that Bambu never ansewered my review mails - I bet you'd be spoiled by their printers quality (and then I dont wanna touch other printers anymore). Greets and have a good and successfull 2024!

[@lisaleone2296]

I actually think that filament changes through the nozzle is a good idea. I've wasted so much filament for other reasons that losing a couple inches when I change filaments is not a big deal. Thank you for the review!

[@Rcschim]

Yes, the longer I use this printer (and I do so because it works really well), the more I like the filament changes. On other printers I do some additional extrusion after filament change anyways... The only downside I saw so far here: on my 0.4mm nozzle, I had PETG and wanted to change to PLA - and this nozzle clogged so bad, I couldnt get it free. So now I just use the 0.6mm nozzle ;) They suggest to use a seperate nozzle for different materials...

[@kimmotoivanen]

Wait, did you print TPU through reverse bowden tube (still in cable chain)? I didn't think these kind of printers would work that way 🤔

[@Rcschim]

These Printers are direct Extruders (gears are in printhead) don't confuse them with bowden printers where extruder gear are stationary. So yes, tpu works well also on k1

[@NaughtyGoatFarm]

We need a max version of this with 300mm cubic print volume.

[@Rcschim]

definitly! I also have an Artillery X3plus (30x30x40cm) and that's really cool to be able to print larger things (with an 0.8mm nozzle then). but of course being just a bedslinger, it's nowhere near the perfection of the flashforge or bambus...

[@Cecina-]

You should do a detail comparison of the AM5pro vs the k1

[@Rcschim]

maybe the better (and fair) comparison would be to the K1C then - hope I can review this soon... very good (and indepth) print quality comparisons can be seen at "Aurora Tech" channel - they are awesome and print a lot on each printer.

[@prytosan]

k1 is a poor quality printer with tragic support.

[@LexxDesign3D]

@@prytosan Love my K1, it has 1000 hours with no problems and I would buy the K1C - but the FF 5M is £200 cheaper right now and very similar.... hmm...

[@HiFiVector]

Great video thank you! This helped me make a decision on this printer.

[@juliusvalentinas]

What about qidi q1 pro isnt it way better for same price?

[@Rcschim]

I gotta take a look at it. Currently my enthusiasm for new 3d printers is limited by space in my hangar ;)

[@peterboy209]

I bought one (5m). Hardware is exceptional for the price. It's easy to use, very precise and very fast. And i can use my Ender 3 peisheets. 👍

[@Rcschim]

yep, I also love to use the Ender PEI sheets - the flash ones are good tho - if you need very flat surface on top down printed parts... most prints of mine wouldn't need the 5mpro - so the 5m is a really good budget option. Even the pro is quite cheap atm.

[@MechDale]

Thanks, now I need one :) I am also a huge fan of the YI, Cant beat them for the money.

[@Rcschim]

Afilliate links down below ;) No seriously, this one is really good! My best printer so far (and currently I'm testing the next one already - Ender 3V3 KE). YI Cam can also be "hacked" with special firmware, so we can use the IP Cam without the cloud and integrate it in the WebGUI of a klipper printer!

[@AerialWaviator]

A very capable printer and very insightful review. Like that it has quick change hot-end. Bad luck that it failed on first layer, but now we know to double-check. That it's using Klipper firmware is also a real plus. Klipper has become dominate in 2023. I hate cloud service models, and prefer to have devices be fully functional on local network. Nice call-out to "Aurora Tech", they are amazing with reviews and provide great insights/tips. I found your projects of making a mount for a printer camera, and for your filming setup most interesting. These appear to be great solutions that really improve your workshop experience. If you consider On-Shape video(s), I'd suggest building on "Teaching Tech" series/playlist. A basics focused for your audience could be good, or showing how you tacked a personal project would be interesting.

[@BIGTASTY90]

Would you recommend this or the creality k1c. For a first time 3d printer owner

[@Rcschim]

Didn't test the k1c, have the ender 3v3 with same nozzle as k1c. It's good. Flash tho it's better in terms of quality.

[@davidrd-k3d]

with the same PLA, same layer hight 1.2 (cura fine) and same speed (maybe 50mm) which have better print quailty and presition for small prints M5pro or ender 3 v3 KE ?

[@Rcschim]

for sure the Flash 5mpro - currently it beats everything in my hangar!

[@JebusGolpez]

I've got the non pro version of this one, as my first printer, and so far, I'm loving it. Super easy to use, any issues i've had have been due to my inexperience and my experimenting with the settings. Might get the Pro version later on this year, unless something more interesting comes along.

[@OfficialEthern1ty]

you can actually print a case for the 5m :) pretty much making it a 5m pro ;)

[@joei4ever]

as a complete novice/beginner wanting to get into 3D printing for home use, what to get? Bambu Lab A1 Mini? Prusa Mini+ what else? Price up to $500USD

[@Rcschim]

I’d say Creality k1c but it’s a bit over the budget. Probably the flashforge adventurer 5m (non pro is not encased but still a good printer, without case you just cannot print the harder materials like abs, Ada or nylon which you might not need as a beginner). Greets

[@DirtyLew42]

Would love an Onshape tutorial! I use it quite often already but always love a pc tutorial

[@Rcschim]

we'll see. but if you use it often, I'm not sure that you'd learn much from me - rather go to Teaching Tech then - he's really good!

[@DirtyLew42]

@@Rcschim haha whether or not I learn something from your videos ill still watch em

[@GamingInTheFASTLANE]

Just orderd one of these great video

[@Rcschim]

It's a great machine. with current firmware it's a bit easier to use Orca Slicer and Wifi upload. Check out my other flash and orca video for a tip regarding the URL for direct camera stream...

[@GamingInTheFASTLANE]

@Rcschim thank I will certainly have a look. My dad's been 3d printing for years, but I am a complete beginner decided on this machine as it looks begginer friendly

[@stevebissonnette760]

Thanks, good review.

[@idmimagineeringCOUK]

Did you not remove the Z transport screws?! 😮😢

[@Rcschim]

hehe, on one of these printers I really forgot to remove them at first ;) printer noted it quickly and stopped :)

[@JamesRothschild]

@@Rcschim Thanks for your reply 🙂 I just tried to set up my 5M ... and the ribbon connector on. the display is jammed/broken/unuseable 😞Back it goes!

[@Rcschim]

@@JamesRothschild that's unfortunate... Maybe they can just send you the display unit if you send them a pic of the damage? You've got a famous name there... we have a nice castle nearby with your name on it (it's owned by the government tho). (search "Schloss Rothschild Hirschwang an der Rax")

[@JamesRothschild]

@@Rcschim Thanks. I've sent it back to Amazon now. Keep up with your Videos... it's about the long-game :-)

[@ughitsvictor]

After having these for a while, would you recommend the Flashforge 5M Pro or the Creality K1?

[@Rcschim]

Definitly! I already wanted to make another video about just this! I see with Geekbuying and the Coupon code you can get this for 469€ - which is really a good price. The only real downside of this printer is the 220x220x220 buildvolume. Bambu's slightly larger 256x256 would be better (but they also want way more money) If you buy it, cosider using my link - will help ;) - but trust me, that's not the reason why I recommend it! Literally: I have 6 printers currently (Ender 3s1pro, Ender 3v3ke, K1, Artillery x3plus and x4plus and the Flashforge 5mpro - if I want top print quality or reliable part - it's always printed on the flash!

[@ughitsvictor]

@@Rcschim Thank you! My Flashforge will be here Friday, this convinced me. If Amazon didn't have a $299 deal for it I would definitely have used your link, also a little faster shipping here in the states. Thanks again!

[@Rcschim]

@@ughitsvictor Ah, I see you bought the 5M (non pro) - which is totally fine. It just lacks the camera and full enclosure. But unless you print Nylon, ABS or PC you don't actually need the enclosure. And you can also print it yourself ;)

[@cpayne8177]

I bought two of these printers and they work flawlessly. My bed adhesion issues were mainly due to temperature. PLA requires 60c temp on the bed and 220-226c for the extruder. No more issues. Use the checkbox on the printer to Bed Level during the print. Yes it slows the process but your printer will know what the bumpy PEI coating looks like after removing and reinstalling a spring steel bed that has a randomly sprayed bed coating.

[@Rcschim]

good to hear you like them to! yesterday I had the nozzle clogged. changed from PETG back to PLA (on 0.4mm) - does this work for you, our do you follow their recomendation of keeping one nozzle per different material? I swapped out the 0.4 to 0.6 and got PLA in there again. Also looking forward to their new firmware, where we can finally use Orca Wifi printing instead of USB Stick (or their flash print). greets, Mario

[@dekurvajo]

An enclosure for the 5m would take like couple of hours to make one

[@uliz17]

Yup, I already make the enclosure for my 5m. Save money

[@ThreeDPrintDesigns]

Hows the TPU capabilities?

[@Rcschim]

Really good. The only issues are: if swapping from PETG back to TPU (on the same nozzle) this can result in a bad clogged nozzle. Flash recommends to stick wit one filament type per nozzle (they are easy to swap but not cheap).

[@ThreeDPrintDesigns]

@@Rcschim awesome! I print only tpu.. thank you for the information

[@charlesrestivo870]

Nice review

[@bertanderny]

This is currently selling for £450 in the UK and with a coupon can be had for £426 with free shipping. Seems like a bargain for what you're getting. I would be really interested to see the progress of the remote printing which I've seen you have already made a video on. The only question I had was do you still need level the bed before each print and is the gcode functioning in orca?

[@Rcschim]

It's still my fav printer (among 4 others) and hopefully they will officially support the wifi printing soon. that's the only downside compared to creality printers (where the open klipper works flawless), but on the other hand, most times if I print something I would need to go there anyways to insert the right filament etc. bed levelling isn't neccesary often. if you want to do it before print, you can just "upload" instead of "upload and print" - then you have the gcode over there and when manually starting the print you can check the levelling box. Or you add the Gcode for bedlevelling in the orca settings of the printer (I think I did this for another printer). Oh: one other downside I found so far: if using PETG on a nozzle, swapping filament to PLA or TPU back can be a problem (clogging). They actually suggest, you stick with PETG on this nozzle, and use a different one for other material type. This is easy since their hot swap nozzle is really great, but also ~ 35€ (you get 2 nozzles with the printer).

[@LexxDesign3D]

£300 for the 5M and you can add your own enclosure, camera and side fan fairly cheap!

[@andrewwooldridge-e2n]

very interesting video great information thank you

[@AlperDÜLGER-d9o]

K1C or FlashForge M5Pro?

[@Rcschim]

I didnt test the K1c yet. Maybe Creality will send me one ;) Flashforge is my fav until now - although it's not perfect on the software side (no decent wifi print...) you cant go really wrong with either of those printers. Flash: here the quick nozzle swap is nice!

[@prytosan]

dont buy k1 ~!!

[@AlperDÜLGER-d9o]

why?@@prytosan

[@AlperDÜLGER-d9o]

why?@@prytosan

[@Rcschim]

Maybe the price is better on flash? With coupons it’s under 500€! Use my afilliate please ;)

[@youtubesque]

definitely better than K1 and equal to bambulab

[@michaellaframboise7646]

Thanks 🎉

[@Rcschim]

Greets to Canada!

[@MCsCreations]

Just starting to watch, Mario, but Bruce's going to have a heart attack seeing you remove all the plastic film. 😬

[@Thadopeera]

Is it really that good guys? I’m seeing this printer on my feed everyday now.. I print Prusa but always looking for other capable machines out there

[@Rcschim]

I heard a lot of good things about the prusa printers as well - so for you it might not be a big upgrade :) the flash5m will be niceer when they fully support the WIFI printing (curerntly it only works with a special DEV build of orca). also a bit annoying: I cannot turn on my printer remote (by using a wifi socket) because if you give it some power - it will not boot up but instead go into standby - and then it needs a button press...

[@rollindreams]

its amazing

[@mieogkim]

New Orca software with functioning wifi connection has been released.

[@Rcschim]

thanks - I will check. my dev 2.0.0 version didnt work when I tried now - but it worked a week ago...

[@uliz17]

For 5m and 5m pro?

[@Rcschim]

​@@uliz17should work for both

[@uliz17]

@@Rcschim the new orca slicer right? 2.0, i have 1.9.1 right now

[@Rcschim]

@@uliz17 I didnt try the 1.9.1 yet - just check if 1.9.1 has "Flashforge" as an option in the WIFI settings of the printer (in orca). if so / it should be good. but maybe it|s only avail in 2.0.0...

[@flat-earther]

this printer costs 1200USD in israel/palestine

[@flat-earther]

oops I see it actually is now 1300USD

[@zorik79]

⁠@@flat-eartherIsrael!!!

[@youtubesque]

why ? can you buy it from other country ?

[@flat-earther]

@@youtubesque good question. because government tyranny. even if order from other country the government people may steal your package as hostage until you pay them extortion fees AKA taxes

[@YosiFrancos]

I'm thinking of buying it for 3800 NIS. The taxes here are a total ripoff.​@@flat-earther

[@polesetter_01]

Is it easy to root the M5 so I can run klipper and fluidd on it?

[@Rcschim]

Not yet. It's running Klipper on it, but the webgui is hidden. But at least we can use Orca to print over wifi. And the flash is so reliable, I don't wanna break it ;)

[@polesetter_01]

@@Rcschim Fair enough! Thanks for the reply.

[@prytosan]

how about printing a circle?? Are they not egg-shaped?

[@Rcschim]

No problems with circles not being perfectly round