Flats Reacts To Froggers Rant About Overwatch 2

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[@TLTheLegend]

the stupidest part of sojourn charge is that she gets it from damaging ANYTHING. You can shoot a rein shield, torb turret, petal platform, cage fight, tree, and you get charge like, wow, the rein is doing their job and holding shield on the cart. congrats, you have been rewarded by getting one shot by the sojourn!

[@BeyondAIR15]

This is why I call it Diaperwatch 2

[@RemedieX]

Babywatch. Gotta make sure SJ gets value 24/7. And don't forget it decays to 25% bc... Reasons? She ALWAYS needs to retain some value even outside and after fights just because.

[@lightninghands3071]

If soj couldn’t get charge off those things she’d be absolute garbage. She’s in a good spot rn. That being said, the way she’s designed her spike in value comes from railgun (not a one shot anymore btw). The only way she could become how you want her to be is if they shifted power from her railgun into her primary fire. Either way idrk shes fine rn just a strong pick that scales up with skill. And reins job is NOT to just hold shield on cart 😭

[@toft2403]

​@@lightninghands3071if you at all think sojourn is in a good state... take a hike dude, been S tier since ow2 released

[@phoenix7646]

​@lightninghands3071 Sojourn has been meta every season.

[@gamoxu]

Honestly having Junker Queen buffed to the moon was like the most fun tank felt in a while. She's such a well designed character but she's not very good unless she's overtuned.

[@bambampewpew32]

What no I thought we could all agree she's one of the more easily balanced characters, and respected

[@BananaWasTaken]

⁠of the new Overwatch 2 characters Junker Queen, Ramattra and Venture all seem well designed and fun to play (although not necessarily well balanced)

[@wendigo374]

Fr

[@pibblepott]

@@bambampewpew32she’s easily balanced by completely overpowering her, basically the same as reaper and lucio

[@bambampewpew32]

@@pibblepott lmao what hell nah lucio was an honest character, even though he's very good now I guess, you just mean strong, when op means they need to be nerfed

[@CaelenSawyers]

"I've never heard Frogger complain" He complains in every video he just makes the complaints into jokes lmao

[@rifdimashq208]

Can’t remember the last time this guy released a video that wasn’t whining

[@Mysterymeateater]

@@rifdimashq208don’t disrespect my majestic king frogger smh

[@rifdimashq208]

@@Mysterymeateater Nah, was talking about Flats

[@blujy3315]

@@rifdimashq208 he whines cause nobody else does, hes like the only voice of whats wrong

[@rifdimashq208]

@@blujy3315 “Nobody else does”, commented on a video of him watching someone else complaining

[@milky_myers854]

Ngl I really miss being able to earn as you play. Everything on my account I earned through PLAYING THE GAME. It gave you a reason to play. You could buy skins with coins, and you'd get lootboxes for simply playing. You weren't forced to pay for everything. I miss it so much.

[@Jessespresso]

The hero gauntlet not only could be useful for custom games in terms of being able to use the map and towers but they could even release non-textured building blocks for people to create custom maps too. Let them be tested in custom games and highlight the most popular maps which could possibly make it into the actual game

[@JustADadsValorantAcademy]

The reason behind the Pride skin is that corporations often exploit the LGBTQ+ community. The community is known for seeking maximum representation in games and will go to great lengths to achieve it. Blizzard capitalized on this by offering a limited-time Pride skin reward to boost their channel views. very typical on the corporation side of gaming.

[@zaer-ezart]

One day maybe they'll realise that none of these companies care about them and only do it for profit

[@Gdhttu]

@@zaer-ezartJune 1st corpo pictures change to pride logos July 1st they all go back 🧐 weeeeiiiirrrdddd

[@BananaWasTaken]

@@zaer-ezartYou say that as if everyone’s oblivious to the fact. It’s common knowledge that corporations do not care whatsoever.

[@zaer-ezart]

@@BananaWasTaken You'd be surprised how many people actually believe it And if everyone IS aware then it's even worse "Yes I'm aware this company does NOT care about me and is only pretending to get my money.... So I'm gonna support them"

[@Guntfarm]

Blizzard literally has a diversity scale that determines whether a character can be released or not and there's a "Sexuality" scale right next to the "Body Shape" scale. So they are quite literally using LGBTQ+ people as a slider for marketing.

[@Kook_604]

Ngl on the toxicity thing, low elo casual quickplay is unironically the least toxic game ive ever played lmao

[@Jessespresso]

I wonder if that has anything to do with new players being put into those games so they can't chat yet

[@TangleHamain]

Meh, I dont agree much. In Silver to Plat (so around Gold), QP is still quite toxic, it is incredibly annoying. Players saying "EZ losers!", or "Swap cus you aint good at the character" or even "*a weird way of spelling the n-word*". Bro, we are between Silver and Plat, not Masters and GM lmao- People need to lower their massive egos, i swear..

[@seansmith4513]

Low elo is WILD! Been in masters, placed in gold, lost my butt off and dropped down to silver (mind you, different seasons and platforms) and genuinely some of the MOST frustrating and fun times I've ever had with the game. It's just a whole nother planet, sometimes. XD

[@CyVinci]

Diamond tank and bronze support. Bronze games are so chill it’s insane

[@homelesspyro995]

I might just suck, but, has anyone else been dealing with insane lag lately? Or hitscan problems?

[@jambi8639]

the games been UNBEARABLY laggy last week or two for me, thinking blizzards just shitting the bed rn

[@insiderdtleftright5585]

Got suspended from qp because I left a game at 1500 ping when my connection is usually goated. Another great addition from blizzard

[@kazue1187]

Most people around the world don't have good internet, and it's not unusual to lose signal for a few secs every hour or so. I'm regularly in 10mins suspensions multiple times a week. It's QP man, it shouldn't matter 😭

[@thomashigginsmusic]

Some server issues have happened the last couple weeks nothing too crazy tho

[@CalicoCrow]

I thought I was going insane 😭 I have good wifi but my laptop isn't specifically made for gaming so I'm used to getting between 30-70 fps. I could barely even play games against ai because I'd be dropping to under 10fps for absolutely no reason when my game had been fine months prior 💀

[@Zythixx]

It's honestly depressing seeing that a majority of content in Overwatch these days is dead. Like he talked about in the video, Arcade being dead. Arcade is a staple of Overwatch but it's more dead now then it ever was in Overwatch 1. PvE being dead, and will probably never see an update EVER again. Workshop, while not entirely dead, still isn't getting updated at all. Even Hero Mastery getting its co-op removed because of how dead it is. Booting up Overwatch and knowing that the devs no longer care about over half the content in the game is depressing.

[@Cruxis_Angel]

Tank hp nerfs made a lot of arcade/OQ players quit. Too much hp in role queue, feel like paper in the other modes.

[@blitzgt2214]

Looking for group was amazing for console players, but we're often under-heard compared to PC where the main player base is active currently. I've missed it moving to PC and struggling.

[@funwalkthroughs1285]

Dude when I first started my ow journey and was a console gamer find a group was wonderful.

[@nukenuke4286]

I used looking for group constantly on pc, it made it a lot easier to find people who were willing to talk and work together

[@spawn2414]

Lets not forget everyone is getting banned from the game just for saying fuck or simply being spam reported for things you didnt do. The director or whoever decided or thinks to treat the players like kids in a daycare and ban them for saying mean things is killing this game.

[@Nemo.404]

Yeah, nah. This is condoning toxic behaviour. All the people I've seen that are banned from coms or from the game is because they actually deserved it. Nobody, literally nobody reports a simple fuck.

[@BananaWasTaken]

Did that actually happen? I thought the guy just got banned for general toxicity and then when asked about it one of the Blizzard employees said it was for swearing (even though players don’t just get banned for swearing)

[@spawn2414]

@@Nemo.404 have you been living under a rock

[@spawn2414]

@BananaWasTaken I've been suspended from the game for 2 weeks for continuing to cuss. Not talking shit just simply cussing, and whenever I try and appeal why I'm suspended for it's just a bot responding to me. This is killing the game

[@amaterachu1]

​@@Nemo.404Well sadly that's not entirely true! I've been reported for my game title having the word "bullcrap" in it for Overwatch: Bullcrap Edition. I didn't even know crap was considered bad because "bullcrap" isn't censored but "crap" is. I had to rename my game mode to BS edition to not get reported

[@kippbleu8289]

If they don’t bring 6v6 back at least make it a new game mode if possible.

[@mortystraphouse5077]

its inevitable. 5v5 sucks. they r just making us wait because they have nothing but contempt for the fan base. been like that for years

[@batatanna]

There are literally people who do a 6v6 custom game mode unpaid. They could just maks the game mode official and put it in a queue system and let this team balance it.

[@atomickarate3421]

i feel like whats not being addressed about the tank situation is how just lonely the role is now and how being the only person with that job now automatically makes you feel more alienated in the community. It clearly does not matter how op tanks are theres a fundamental "feel" missing. and im not saying 6v6 is the solution (even though im tired of the devs just being quiet about the idea and not even explaining their pov) but something that encourages players to actually want to sync up with their tank beyond like "we will lose the game if you dont tracer genji to match my winston" something that makes the game feel more moba without just adding extra numbers.

[@danielmcgrath680]

Its also not fun being the 'reason' for every loss even if youre doing fine

[@iKrazyyi]

Devs refuse to talk about it because if they go back to 6v6 they have to admit Overwatch 2 was pointless

[@atomickarate3421]

@@iKrazyyi aren't most of the people who worked on the initial idea of ow2 gone anyway? Hell I remember some of the writing staff leaking all they worked on while they were being fired. Whoever's left is carrying a burden that was never theirs.

[@iKrazyyi]

@atomickarate3421 I believe you're right. I remember reading something about lese than 10% of the staff that worked on OW1 is still at Blizzard working on OW2. So that makes sense. It's sad tbh. Use to be the best hero shooter, now it's just a dead horse.

[@tobiasbayer4866]

For real. Back in ow1 I mained tank and support because it felt like the role with the least responsibilities that was the easiest to get value from. Now, obviously just holding left click as mercy all game or holding right click as rein was never good in pro play or anything but in casual you atleast didnt feel like you were throwing if you did that. You could atleast provide some value to the team. Meanwhile if you were dps and couldnt hit shots or were simply diffed by the other dps it felt like you were the sole reason for losing the game. Now in ow2 it feels like the exact opposite. I main dps because it feels like even if im doing worse, the deciding factor will always be supports and the tank. Also all you need to do is is shoot at people. Meanwhile as support you need to heal, do damage, have good cd management, survive, etc. And dont even get me started on tank, its by far the most stressful role in the game and the one that gets blamed first if you are losing. Playing casual should be relaxing, not stressful.

[@ProphesyOfTruth]

Flats on counterswapping : "I should be able to complain as much as I want" Flats on predatory monetization and shop prices: "Stop complaining I'm tired of hearing about it"

[@pheebslo7618]

I think this isn't a fair comparison, you aren't forced to pay for cosmetics, if you play tank, you are practically forced (if not told to by teammates) swap. I agree with complaining when heroes were in the battle pass, but as its just cosmetic now, i think blizzard can charge whatever, as long as that money goes into the game

[@user-xc1st7fg7o]

​@pheebslo7618 you arnt forced to swap, if youre good at one tank hero, you'll do fine the rest of the game; winrate will still be 50/50 like always. if you dont believe me then try it. mid maxing every game doesnt give the insane advantages you think it does in your rank, because there are uncountable mistakes being made that fills in that value gap.

[@pheebslo7618]

@user-xc1st7fg7o I'm mid masters, and counterswapping is very much encouraged. And I never said you can't play 1 character, that's why I included the part saying "if not told to by teammates". It creates a toxic environment where all the blame can be placed on the tank. That's my opinion anyways, I play dva on tank and as soon as there's a zar I'm blamed and "gg tank braindead diff" if I don't swap

[@pheebslo7618]

@user-xc1st7fg7o but I also agree there are other mistakes people make that aren't just character match ups. But playing dva into zar sym mei moira is a lot harder (a lot lot) in masters than just swapping to the other tank. Most people don't play the game to purposely make it difficult to win. It's fine if you one trick, but don't pretend like that is valid and an easy thing which is encouraged. It isn't. Atleast in high level play

[@DogeCoinInvestor]

@@user-xc1st7fg7o i know you mean well and it probably works for you, but that doesnt work above gold.

[@Leprechaun2702]

oh my god, someone finally said it, onetricks are the only honourable ones left, thank you. ive never understood why ppl look down on them when they are the only ones who dont pick their character based on how bad of a time they can give the enemy team, one tricks are here to play their character and have fun doing it thats the goal

[@ironman1458]

True honestly, its time to remove swapping from the game

[@TheDapperDragon]

@@ironman1458 Yes, take MORE from BB's corpse.

[@razrv3lc]

What sucks is when I was pretty much a Sombra one trick back in OW1 when she was objectively not great but now if I pick her, people rage about it lmao. I did my time in the trenches with a bordering negative winrate, let me have fun with current Sombra that’s actually usable lmao

[@Leprechaun2702]

@@razrv3lc yeah that's rough, I think sombra gets a bad name purely because there are annoying ppl who start on some boring hero like soldier, but as soon as they see like ball doom or something like that they switch to sombra, if you come out of spawn doors on sombra at the start of the match I wouldn't consider you to be an annoying sombra yk

[@Hero-od5el]

Flats and Frogger takes are based and Flats is pretty much 100% right. But overwatch definitely isn’t the most toxic game rn. I came from dead by daylight that’s definitely miles more toxic then Overwatch.

[@comrad3892]

Fr, it's not even close

[@espammerofthealgorithmgods649]

Think its more of a Toxic company than a toxic community rn

[@magdieldexter]

Gacha probably has the worst community. Reminds me of the time they harassed and sent death threats to the VA of the “new” unit at the time because people thought it was a bad character kit-wise.

[@Diah_TV]

i play both, was a dbd streamer for like 3 years. overwatch is definitely WAY more toxic than dbd lmao.

[@ezekialmaverick5461]

For honor enters the chat

[@Jessespresso]

The thing with LFG is that they introduced it late. When it first came into the game it popped off. Then the devs abandoned the game to work on OW2 and the community died. I don't know if Flats has taken this into account but I think with the new playerbase, LFG could pop off again

[@iTrensharo]

LFG got used a lot at the beginning, but the queue times became super long after a while so people stopped using it and went back to solo Q. A lot of players complained about matching Solo Q'ers vs. stacks and Blizzard made some changes that increased the LFG queue times. Those were the best matches I've ever had though. Full coordination, communication, proper comps, no one tricking with people making necessary swaps, etc. 10+ Game win streaks all the time. Climbed 2 full ranks with the LFG system.

[@PaulStargasm]

Agree. After role lock it wasn't worth it.

[@razrv3lc]

Unpopular opinion but I think the issue came before LFG got nerfed. It happened with role queue. If you got past gold, it was rare you wound up with a team of all DPS. Before role queue, i nearly got to GM in 2017 in season 17 (literally my ending SR was like 3987 lmao). Then role queue happened and I’ve been hard stuck high diamond low masters since because I can’t swap to what we need. I used to rotate between supports, sombra, and could play Zarya or D.Va if I had to, just depending on what I saw needed to happen and our team wasnt doing. Now we get held hostage by the genji one trick that refuses to play a hitscan against a Pharah/Echo + Mercy comp. or we get a roadhog instead of Orisa or Rein. or a Zen/Lifeweaver support comp.

[@lautzu323]

I am not a 6v6 stan by any means. In fact, I have dropped OW for a while for valo. With that being said, I feel like the "counnter swap the tank" has arisen instead of a "run this comp" meta was because of two tanks. I feel like having tank synergy really drove a comp based meta vs a "what shits on the enemy" meta. You obviously had counter swaps, but there were dive metas where people would play into reaper and still do well. I also think tanks (besides roadhog) didn't shit out damage like they do nowadays. Rein had to work around barrier and zarya had to build charge. Winston/DVA had to be close to really pump damage. Sigma, I believe, is so well designed because he doesn't just shit out damage (even though he does good dam). I think that tanks that don't have a ton of uptime on their cds (rein shield exploding, zarya bubbles being hella limited, JQ with shout and having to heal via dam, as examples) are forced into this weird spot where they need hella support from the supports, or kinda just die. IDK if there is a way to solve it tbh. TLDR: Ow was more fun in 6v6 because comp synergy mattered more than just the counterswap.

[@chuxmecha6513]

50:56 "Looking for group never got used that much" is the biggest lie I've ever heard in my life. Maybe it was different on PC, but on Xbox I would always see hundreds of in-game Looking For Group posts for whatever I wanted at the time and it always made the game just a little bit better.

[@jasonr.5148]

I don't know who rocking a 50% win rate. Season 10 feels like nothing but losses. The game feels like sh!t this season. We need to take things back to season 9. Season 9 felt amazing.

[@michaeljacinto7214]

Fr. The games are so one sided it’s nuts

[@spectral7972]

@@michaeljacinto7214 I'm so glad i'm not the only one. It feels like I get one sided steamrolls so much that it feels like a waste of time to play the game sometimes.

[@michaeljacinto7214]

@@spectral7972 dude yeah. Like i don’t shit talk but cmon bro this is so unbalanced there’s no way you could carry unless your an absolute demon.

[@kimichrist]

I miss seasons 1-6, genuinely when i had the most fun in this game

[@GStefanes_]

Im a Reaper main and i have the most fun playing him, but man ever since these tank changes he feels like shit honestly, and it sucks, i've stopped playing ranked until season 11 in hopes for a fresh start and some buffs to Reaper, cause Jesus Christ, he feels like shit rn.

[@waverazor]

i think reaper feels pretty good. as long as its not a tank youre shooting at..

[@GStefanes_]

@@waverazor He's decent at best, nothing if they're gonna remove his tank busting abilities then they should either make the spread of the shotguns tighter or increase its damage, rate of fire, something like that, they did say in that recent Q&A in Reddit that they're gonna give him a rework and non tank busting buffs, so im patiently waiting. I have been not focusing tanks but sometimes you cant escape doing it, and with the armor changes it feels like shit, even characters like Torb are now a lot more resistant to Reaper, he's in the dirt rn, alongside Symmetra, dude needs some love.

[@MrSonictheOtter]

It feels so weird because Reaper used to 2-3 tap characters. Now it feels like you have to use a full clip to get a kill.

[@GStefanes_]

@@MrSonictheOtter exactly, i just want this feeling back, no need for it to be on the tanks, but its absolutely necessary for the squishies

[@danielmcgrath680]

Junk main here. Ugly heroes just dont get love i suppose.. Why couldn't i just enjoy playing hitscan :c

[@justguitaring]

"Overwatch is so toxic now, and I don't know what happened" Flats bro, the game became F2P after 2 years of abandonment, followed by 2 more years of them straight ignoring our input and making their own dumb changes that have fixed nothing. Of course the community has become toxic, we're treated terribly by Blizzard. YOU may get to meet them in person and see they are nice people, but that's not what we as average players get. We get ignored, talked down to, and watch our characters get gutted over and over again.

[@FiestaTX17]

I miss LFG so much, it’s how I met everyone I play with on console. I know all the steamers say no one used it, but console players did, a lot. It’s how we actually get full communication and meet new people, it’s absolutely time to bring it back. The game feels so lonely now in Overwatch 2, after all the game is more fun with friends or anyone to speak to.

[@kamehameharem]

the balance team doesnt play the game they just look at stats and spreadsheets. only way to explain the incompetency in balancing that is ow2

[@Sir_Radahn_the_fearless]

Facts they “buffed hanzo” and it was the most useless thing ever and they refuse to actually fix rein there also listening to bronze players and because of that venture got a nerf

[@InsomniacUN]

​@@Sir_Radahn_the_fearlessThe Venture nerf really annoys me. It's salty Support players that couldn't deal with them which led to the nerf. I remember playing a match prior to the nerf where an Ana on my team complained all game as the Venture kept killing her at the start of each fight. This was with the other Support helping her fight off the Venture. Both Supports died to the Venture pretty much every single time. I'm sorry but that's just a skill issue at that point. To nerf a character as limited as Venture because people want to play on easy mode is ridiculous.

[@funwalkthroughs1285]

DUDE YES. Whenever they discuss balance it’s always “winrate this” or “pick rate that”

[@HandyDandyHandium]

@@InsomniacUNagreed, it sucks to hear people complaining about venture being op when they’re very reliant on their abilities to work, and they have a lot of counters as well so it doesn’t even feel fair Long range gets them Movement ability lockout gets them It’s sad that characters like them get nerfed due to people not wanting to learn how to deal with them

[@anonymoustaco8959]

venture is busted, immortality ability on an 8 second cool-down and gaining shields for pressing shift and e is still crazy Do any of you remember why we have 250hp now, it’s because breakpoints and kill times were too short and now we have a character with 200hp kill times with 250hp. She has junkrat levels of skill expression and gets massive value off drooling on her keyboard, talking about balancing for fun and playing on easy mode but complaining about ventures nerfs is crazy

[@vicjctanuki7344]

44:11 I think from a phycology reason deep down we all know why the ov community has gotten to this point. Everyone is just feed up but they don't know what else to sink there time and into from there perspective in regards to the gameing industry.

[@WolfEyes88]

Marvel Rivals I suppose?

[@nerdzr6131]

And here's the thing... because everyone's playing only Mauga/Hog those two tanks will be guaranteed to have a winrate around 50% so when they go to balance and they look at the winrates they see like maybe 55% on hog and maybe 52% on Mauga and because of this if they just look at statistics alone they won't get anywhere. The meta picks will always have a solid winrate because everyone's playing them and that's why it's not viable to look at those.

[@Michael-sy1ni]

I 100 percent agree

[@eeveewithcoffee9554]

Mirrorwatch Luico was trained in Japan like Hanzo and Genji and uses the Dragon Blade as his main weapon

[@Zemilia22]

Blizzard should 1000% take a page out of riot games book, and copy their clash system and just straight up put it into overwatch. For those who do not know what it is, its a semi competitive mode where you make a temporary team with friends or random people (there is a recruit page if you cant find someone or if your solo player looking for people to play with) and it auto sorts you into a tourament bracket based on the average of players ranks. The rewards are cosmetics and things to be displayed on your profile and if you lose its not the end of the world. Blizzard could even do the same system riot has for being able to play in it, you buy a ticket either from a earnable currency or if you want more rewards you can buy an upgraded one with paid currency and rewards are obtained based on how many wins you get and the only time limited reward is a badge on your profile for that specific clash event everything else is obtainable in every event. Having a tournament style mode that is something people can plan around and look forward to is super important for any game where team play is the foundation of why people love it and it needs to be something that isn't an every week thing or people will get burnt out, make it twice a month and make one a for fun mode picked by the community and the other comp ruleset. Creating content that lets both your highest skilled players and lowest both engage in the same content is how you keep the entire playerbase happy and occupied while you take your time fixing those core issues the game might have at a given point. You could take it a step further and make it so each team gets to ban a single hero, let people of all ranks show you via raw data which hero is a problem. Yes I know the games are different but what makes them fun is exactly the same, playing with friends can make even the most terribly boring games interesting ( im sorry but lethal company is terrible and 90% of us play because our friends make it good) and not feeding into that is a stupid idea.

[@SkancoLoL]

saw this live just here for the view love the content

[@scottwillian2120]

Origin Stories should be a trailer Cinematics on release that's a delicious ammount of lore!

[@friedadieda]

I was looking for this video literally 4 hours ago and had to watch the twitch vod instead, should have just been patient

[@araujov781]

same

[@supershadow7672]

THANK YOU! I've been saying talking about Overwatch is like talking about politics for the longest time now. It's amazing.

[@westthebest5893]

25:55 every junkrat player is screaming rn cause flats is speaking the most facts I've ever heard

[@Ouvoi]

Flats talking over Frogger as if he understands what he's saying but is like 20% listening and 80% trying to come up with an actual input.

[@Bluemansonic]

21:07 see that is the biggest problem is that nobody knows how to take criticism in 2024 if you complain at all they think it's immediately negative and needs to be something to run away from instead of confronting

[@germans_lol7259]

Whats crazy is that the new heroes b4 venture had a bp skin. Ramattra had posidan, illari had the llama pjs, mauga had the hunter, venutre. Nothing

[@isaacarndt179]

Brother for real they need to bring back the short videos announcing characters

[@cerpquake838]

The only reason I stay with OW anymore (at his time) is literally cuz I love the characters so much and it hurts to see the game like this

[@MrGrombie]

I used LFGs........... I met 90% of the people I play with using it. It's damn near impossible to get a team full of mics without it, or have playing it in the past to have friends to play with already. BRING BACK LFGs!

[@ethanfrench9111]

One tricks aren’t the only honorable people left. Flex players (not counter swappers) have honor. I say that as a person who selects one hero for the game and refuses to swap for almost any reason. I used to flex back in simpler times. Before the great role lock. I have fallen so far.

[@N0Mercy4U34_]

Honestly. Because it means you’ve put in enough time to understand your character and you can make it work in most cases.

[@ethanfrench9111]

I just play the hero I want to play even when I’m absolutely trash at it.

[@N0Mercy4U34_]

@@ethanfrench9111 that’s valid.

[@TheNightman.]

One tricks were never honourable, they were more often than not a deadweight on the team. Look at shitmetra one tricks. Complete leeches getting to ranks above where they belong (bronze)

[@ethanfrench9111]

Correction, shitty one tricks are not honorable. One tricks that try to work with their team in spite of their hero not because it’s shit are honorable.

[@judashellenthur]

You know, i don't remember people being this pressed about counter-swapping in OW1.... maybe we should bring back double tank and counter-swapping wont be the only way to handle your problems. But if you're gonna keep single tank, then accept that counter-swapping is going to remain the way to play *shrug*

[@ratboygirl]

i'm so sad i missed the venture pride skin. not at ALL non-us timezone friendly

[@Careb-Ree]

After the shorts I've been waiting for this vid.

[@azseal2669]

Fire-rate boost instead of damage boost could be actually pretty cool. Hot take; triage should make a resurgence in this patch because it's the only way Mercy would be "good" again. Combo that with fire-rate boost and suddenly the character wouldn't be so bad lol.

[@LadyVineXIII]

I would absolutely love triage back now that we have larger health pools.

[@razrv3lc]

Triage was so fun. That was genuinely the only time I had fun with Mercy in OW2 when I used to love playing her in OW1. Triage was the only time she felt quick paced.

[@eddielopez6731]

Hey I gotta say I actually enjoyed playing old Orisa in overwatch 1🙂

[@vipereaper]

30:51 I had just watched a Former smash ultimate pro react to a video from the developer of smash talk about how the win rates are just about even online and they say its even so the game is balanced when tournament after tournament there are the same few characters winning over and over again. Granted people have been getting better and new ways to counter those characters but since you said this, its become noticeable what the main issues with developers seeing different characters balances is. If all game studios took their community suggestions and changes to effect (not all but a lot) then both games would be more considerably more fun to play. As I am trying to make a game of my own, I always keep in mind at where game developers go wrong and see what issues corpa creates to see if there is a noticbly easy way to avoid making the same mistakes as them. As far as I can see with both games, they don't really see the balance that big off an issue since they see the win rates as around the "same" when hog, orisa, and mauga are the most op tanks right now and having palutena, steve, and min min win top level tournaments its made both games boring and I just want a new character to have their moment in the spotlight. I hope this all makes sense because I'm not really thinking about what I'm typing but I just wanted to add to what flats had to say about the win rates.

[@tacolord2561]

honestly with how poorly tank is being handled and how bad it feels im a bit concerned about them possibly just giving up and removing the role turning ow into a complete hero SHOOTER

[@IReviveI]

My favorite overwatch memory was back when you could earn skins from loot boxes and me and my friends would have skin contests

[@AwesomeRandomVids]

"Frogger is so funny I wish Australia was real." Lol @1:00

[@samw2345]

I used to use the find a group function alot on console as it was the only way in gold to find a team who wants to communicate.

[@Alomare]

Workshop mentioned 🙌

[@someGuy-kl7cb]

to put into context on just how badly optimized tanking is right now, its pretty easy to explain. in 6v6, there was two tanks, 6 players, which means each tank theoretically divided the damage received in half. so each tank would roughly take 50% of damage from 6 enemy players. in 5v5, theres one less player, so we can take off...15%, tanks also got 100 extra hp, thats about 1/5th of a tanks hp, so take away about...another 15%. so ignoring the fact all crutial cd's are being directed at one tank(thats why im using 15% and not 25%), current tank is taking about...70% of damage. being generous. people say tank is op, but the issue is that tank ISN'T op enough. its not even a net 0, tank is just significantly worse even AFTER being buffed to compensate. tank in a 1v1 situation is op, but thats like saying support is op vs dps/tank in a healing competition. they are trying to fix tank, but the issue is to make tank feel good, they got to make tanks literal gods, and i genuinely think as a avid "i think 5v5 is actually okay i like op tanks" defender, 6v6 is just the ONLY solution to fix tank now,

[@benjaminseverinsen8713]

Lfg and the clan system shown in blizzcon 2019 .....I personally remember Stylosa covering this.

[@quas3r__]

i totally feel his issue about feeling like you never get any unique dps in the game, unless you get a one trick, and its so upsetting. every single game I like to pick a different dps--unless I'm just bored or on a roll with one--and sometimes it'll be sojourn and sometimes its like symmetra or widow or junkrat, and its so fun, but it can be so hard to play them because you can sometimes feel like you get 0 value because they happen to not be meta, or your team wants you to swap to like fucking cassidy or soldier or something when there is no fun in playing them. and dps counter swapping is so unpleasant, being expected to swap to a hitscan when the enemy team goes like pharah or echo is so annoying

[@CheckersMcGavern]

It's funny because, for me, Overwatch actually feels *less* toxic than it used to be. Yeah there are still the trash-talkers and the edge-lords but I'm seeing more positive interactions now. Last night I was having a bad time in QP (was on DPS trying to counter a Widow but my aim is trash). Played like 10 matches without a win... I was frustrated, just trying to get my challenges done. I typed in public chat "Sorry guys, it's been a rough night, I'm pretty useless right now" and there were SO MANY PEOPLE who popped up with polite or cordial responses (even the Widow was like "I can switch if you want"). If this was a few years ago, I would have gotten flamed and trolled so hard.

[@slythewicked9403]

flats taking a moment to express tank players feelings about complaining, and nobody wants to hear it, legit brought back flashbacks of ALL of overwatch 1 Support roll.

[@soulsurvivor8293]

14:09 To be fair, we all eat rocks. Everything from Salt to Ice are rocks based on the actual scientific definition of a Rock.

[@bigfudge2031]

Samito is a big reason that the 5v6 debate is so toxic. The guy is like a deranged cult leader spreading his propaganda. I don't necessarily disagree with his points, but it's how he goes about it that creates toxicity around it and turns it into a civil war.

[@StiiiiiicccckkkkyyyyFiingaaass]

Uh no? Samito hasn't been toxic at all lmao. Loud sure but not toxic. He literally had a debate with spilo on 6v5 where they both had a civil discussion.

[@jinxysaberk]

it’s funny the meta you described is exactly what makes OW2 so hard for me to understand. In valorant who you pick on what map matters a LOT some characters are unusable on certain maps but in OW2 everyone is meta unless the enemy team has picked a counter to your character

[@SuperlexPlays]

*Thanks for 35k subscribers..*

[@HighWolnir]

Great job!

[@bruuuuuuuuhhhh]

Bot

[@AdhvaithSane]

Not gonna lie. That is one good username for a Bot. I’m burrowing it, don’t give a single damn.

[@HighWolnir]

I'm no bot bruh

[@meghanbrooks3990]

Watching this video two months later, the relevancy.

[@JohnnyVanilla1]

I think overwatch’s biggest problem is overwatch players don’t vote with their wallets. If the BS Blizzard is doing wasn’t profitable they’d stop doing it, but the players shell out money for this behavior and that reinforces it. The cycle continues. Until the community can come together and boycott a battle pass or something, nothing is ever going to change.

[@kylethompson2539]

Here cuz I saw the shorts & had to watch the full thing 😂

[@G-Realla]

One of my biggest complaints ive had lifeweavers is how new heroes have been getting less and less skins that can be aquired for free weaver had only 1 base legendary set mauga had none unless you got the bp and venture well buy it in the shop

[@tropicata]

Lifeweaver's base legendaries are also ugly as sin. As someone who doesn't buy shop skins I just stick to default because all his f2p options are so boring

[@kkiwiiz627]

Hey flats @47:00 you were speaking upon old and new audience. I’ve been playing over watch since season 9 when I was 9 years old and have a lot of fun but I play quick play rather than comp in a 10:1 ratio. If I feel something is unenjoyable or needs changing is my opinion valid?

[@TheGing62]

the "disagreement is treason" is a hardcore liberal ideology; and you're playing a game that caters to that community almost exclusively.

[@sakitoshi]

nah, the community can't really make a good replacement for the campaign even if they were given the tools. left 4 dead 2 has the tools readily available for years and out of all the custom campaigns i've played only 2 or 3 have been as good as the official ones.

[@mac_chappy]

The reason why they don't give us the assets to make stuff is because they know people will make a 6v6 game mode with its own balance changes LOL. I get that we can already somewhat do that but if we get more access to be able changes things we know that's exactly what's going to happen.

[@Jamestron1011]

Friggen speaks the gospel truth about Sojourn. That hero has been ridiculously strong since day one and it’s insane how barely touched she is and how much they don’t think about how much her kit affects the game.

[@Amadeus.Amadeus]

Blizzard isn’t a video game company. It’s a company.

[@austinmiller8695]

12:40 I’m pretty sure frogger flames himself in chat and then missed immediately next round 💀 crushed under his own pressure

[@samuurainyght8611]

No,Flats you were right the first time. It is pitiful

[@austinmiller8695]

Workshop would go insane hard community made maps and if they become popular then lock in the good maps and refine them

[@diobrando7120]

I know this video is a month old now, and the newest balance patches came out only recently, but when Frogger said "I haven't played Overwatch in a long time, I should play it again" (Or something alone the line) I remembered the moment I started getting more and more back into overwatch since the time overwatch 2 came out, but then the patch came out with the whole tank buffing disaster like Mauga being able to tank and kill a bastion who is actively shooting at him with a damage buff, and it just discouraged me from installing the game.

[@LadyVineXIII]

I would actually love buffing Sombra in game. She felt really good to play. Soul bomb gave much needed agency to Mercy. Edit: To clarify. Sombra buffed her team with Hack and Emp instead of nerfing the enemy.

[@Clouds_RUs]

FROGGER SAYS ALCOHOL IS NECCESSARY FOR HAVING A GOOD TIME IN OW2 i love this bro

[@theUnfrench]

Dont remember the exact quote, but you said something along yhe lines of "one tricks are the best part of something-or-other". Really makes me feel validated with my 50+hours on Moira this season, with 2nd highest being like 30 minutes.

[@DecayedPony]

48:50 thats because the game is full of competitive people, when the game sucks they take their competitiveness to drama, but when the game is good they take their drama to the game play. 52:20 If they released Dyes in the shop that you can apply to skins instead of releasing recolors i'd buy those up so fast. 56:00 Workshop is the biggest asset of Overwatch IMO, Let players the ability to code their own gamemodes, and blizzard can just yoink them, free labor. Workshop is by far the most powerful tool in any FPS game, and the fact that blizzard abandoned it i can't imagine. Allow people to upload custom animations, allow people to create abilities, create AI PVE enemy routing, add a map editing tool.

[@eeveewithcoffee9554]

Venture could be interesting if their backstory was tracking down the Doomfist gauntlet. And with the past users of the gauntlet could be searched for by their parents. Like a line of hunters and a line of Doomfists

[@dragu_la]

i absolutely hate the overwatch community. when i first started playing overwatch when ow2 released, i was 16 and it was my first shooter game (aside from random roblox ones LOL). for a very long time i just played against ai because i got absolutely screamed at in actual games even though i was INCREDIBLY new and provided no help even after i asked for it. the community gave me so much shit purely for being new to shooters that i very quickly lost confidence n i still don't play comp cus it terrifies me lmfaoooo. i've done maybe 10 comp games and my very first comp game after getting those 50 qp wins i backfilled, and got completely shat on, and instead of helping me i got yelled at by both the enemy team and my allies. i barely play against ai now purely from practise in qp and getting my confidence up but i still rarely touch comp because i had absolutely awful experiences. again i was only 16 and incredibly nervous to play my first shooter!!!!! if i had gotten help by teammates when i asked for it maybe i would've enjoyed early ow2 more and wouldn't be lowkey traumatised from comp💀

[@JL42069]

as an enby i had no idea about that pride skin until long after it was gone and i am still SO ANGRY about it

[@alamataslim5820]

I just came back to overwatch after so long, played Ball as he was my main previously and the first or so game someone told me to hang myself. Absolutely crazy.

[@huntn0073]

I think a reason this game is so incredibly toxic is due to it being free to play. There is no penalty to being banned or muted. You make a new account and just keep playing, or you snag a new account for a dollar and keep playing, or you get your friend to let you play on theirs, and so on. The game went from if you got banned you'd actually be losing money having to buy new accounts and copies, to having practically zero.

[@abdielcanales5656]

They’re not scared of the community. They’re scared of the support players the people who actually bring them in money.

[@genesisosuna]

Had 2 games in masters where a cheater was lagswitching and legit I thought maybe we were in an EU server until we realized their Cass started going into our team and killing everyone. Their aim looked like soft aim but the fact that the Cass was able to maneuver through the lag and kill everyone, and their pov looked fine. As soon as he killed everyone the lag got tolerable , but as soon as we reached point it got unplayable again. Then our sigma and sojourn got dced, probably a ddos, and in the 2nd game it was similar that everyone started lagging and then our genji started killing the entire enemy team.

[@RayCeaAlm]

Venture’s twitch drop skin was also kind of underwhelming. It was just a purple/yellow variation of their default.

[@neuffexx]

Ive been working on some workshop stuff this year, first time for that, I realized like 1 month in after talking to the Workshop community that the devs just abandoned it. No more team that works on it, or listens to feedback to fix bugs or make improvements and add content / functionality for people to use. They do the bare minimum of adding the new heros and thats about it. Its really sad, I would like to do so much more with the workshop but not have to actually start programing low level functionality like custom hit / colision detection because they wont allow you to even spawn colliders. So many ideas for cool things to add to the game wasted because of it. I genuently find it one of the most appealing aspects of the game but it just gets left there to collect dust with a dwindeling dedicated small community that is almost entirely forgotten by the devs as it seems.

[@neuffexx]

Colliders would let you do so much with the game, like imagine something as simple as allowing a ball player to grapple another player and swing around them or allowing a player to stand on flying phara in a stupid way of making a 2v2 game mode where 1 person flies trying to dodge the enemy whilst the other triest to kill the opposing DPS on the phara. Additionally a map maker would have been great, but doesnt exist in the game, there is a pseudo map maker made by the community but why do we need to make an in-game map maker that is harder to use and extremely limited when its something that I beleive should have been added if not OW1 then OW2.

[@neuffexx]

Anyway, rant over, workshop deserved better.

[@riafire7477]

Smart move only referring to venture as "this character" because no matter what you call her people are gonna have a fit

[@turmas3342]

"People who hate me the most are kids, I just dont resonnate with them." I am part of a HS EsportsOW team, and you are like a messiah to us, give yourself a little credit my man.

[@defaultdan7923]

another comment because man i feel the same way about the sudden rise in toxicity. around season 8-9 was pretty chill and mellowed out, but since then it seems like everyone's at each others throats, in the game and out, and i hate it.

[@Zyborgg]

I don't get why they have so many modes in the arcade when the queues are insane. If the queue time is 30min+ it should say so or they should remove it temporarily. Like it's just a waste of time queing up for low gravity if you have to wait an hour to get a game. It's not even ranked so it shouldn't even affect his queue time here either. Have maybe 4 modes in arcade and that's it. If it's like after midnight and noone is playing a mode so the queuetime reaches 1 hour what is the point in even having that mode, just remove that mode until the morning.

[@examper22]

30:21 Frogger turned into the Hurricane for a moment

[@beaten_tech]

Remember when 2cp was the main issue people had with the game back in OW1

[@Nerdy_76]

Had to pause at 45 mins bc Flats, you're so right about the community! It's impossible to be a positive light in the OW community and I've even had lies spread about me in the community bc people didn't like me! They fight about every little thing; you can't go a day w/o drama happening. It's almost like we're back in high school! I don't blame you for backing away; I'm starting to do that too. It's very draining and overwhelmingly toxic to be a part of the Twt side of the community anyway. I don't feel safe even talking about OW on twt anymore; even though I still love this game! I'll still make art & try to be positive, but again, it's almost impossible to do so. I wish the community behavior was more widely addressed bc this is unacceptable.

[@starfishsignal]

Agree with frogger on the Porsche collab, i feel similar about the Mercy Mythic skin --- its just kind of plain, nothing sticks out

[@pixelpanda0_0]

I’ve grown up with this game. I’m an adult now and can say for a fact that the most dramatic and toxic people are the kids with nothing better to do. I couldn’t care less anymore, overwatch is boring. The positive side is that being bored of overwatch makes me focus on studying and I’m now to busy with work.

[@csp7990]

Flats it's happening everywhere. What's happening is the internet. Especially with the dawn of TikTok, there is a push on every social platform to aim for addictive content. Sadly, the content that drives the most clicks and views is also the most inflammatory. Add to that the algorithms are designed to show you things you will either agree or disagree with, like or dislike strongly, and we end up in a situation where everyone's perception of a given thing is skewed because we only ever see a handful of perspectives. So of course people are screaming at each other. Imagine someone confidently screaming the sky is red, and everything you've ever seen, heard, read, etc has shown you no actually it's blue. Most people are going to say something. And the intensity of what they say is directly tied to how passionately they feel about the topic. For gaming, turns out that's a lot. The internet has turned from a frontier of curiosity to a cesspool of certainty and I'm sad

[@Rougelyd]

flats im 16 and you are probably my favorite streamer in overwatch rn and i one hundred percent agree with the whole gen z arguing thing. i apologize on behalf of my generation. love you mr strimmer

[@RakuenKnight]

I forgot frogger was Australian