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[@JacobLeex]

Winning doesnt make you happy, it makes you relieved. Just like league

[@ellieguerra536]

holy shit, this blew my mind, you're right!

[@zombor8249]

ngl what competetive game doesn't

[@utenten12]

That's always been the case though even in ow1

[@Nortio]

Yeah fr

[@miigi-p4939]

​@@zombor8249i am happy when i win in valorant lol

[@defaultdan7923]

as a casual player, i’m honestly leagues more scared of the card system than the number system. with numbers, i can reasonably guess what will happen after each match, and a loss will only impact me short term. with cards, i lose once, and it stays with me.

[@BambiLena666]

As a casual player a losses jump scare me and stay with me. I dont play millions every day. I literally dont remember how many losses I have per card when I get to play a few games every few days, then I get my 5 wins and derank due to losses I dont even remember.

[@MegaMeister123]

but when why even touch comp if you instantly forget about your losses? You dont care enough for the mode or your rank to perpetually rank up over time. Its just a mondaine thing that you play through, right?@@BambiLena666

[@lyfehaxandtrix3481]

I’m glad someone said it. The anxiety of how many wins/losses are stacked up behind the cards is horrible

[@YourBlackLocal]

Actually insane these guys released this ranked system and just left it.

[@Grux_ASG]

The game came out 2 weeks ago give them a break

[@CloudianOG]

@@Grux_ASGbruh what? Overwatch 2 released almost a year ago, are you coming out of a coma

[@Grux_ASG]

@@CloudianOG that was early access

[@YourBlackLocal]

@@CloudianOGBruh, it’s obviously a joke.

[@cosmicdistortion4350]

@@CloudianOG that was definitely a joke my guy

[@TrixyBlixy1]

I went 4-0 and I was feeling great, thinking I was doing so well, ended the card 5-9. I won 4 times in a row just to get deranked twice. I don't care if I wouldve lost it anyways. Seeing my rank go up gives me a confidence boost and makes me feel like I'm a better player, going 4-0 doesn't give me the same feeling, personally.

[@katsdraws]

I was plat 1, being told I was above 97% of plat 1 players. Went 4-0. I knew internally, I was diamond 5. Then I lost 6 games in a row. Ended Plat 1, 94% above. I didn’t play comp again lol

[@xenbtw9336]

Hey I hate to break it to you but the only reason seeing your rank in this situation would help is your mental it wouldn’t have realistically changed anything

[@Getreidekeks]

​@@xenbtw9336mentality plays a huge role in comp though.

[@xenbtw9336]

@@Getreidekeks fair but relying on something like that to keep your mental is an issue in itself

[@Getreidekeks]

@@xenbtw9336 no one said it keeps up mental health dude. When shit goes wrong at work it also puts you down. It's completely human to let yourself be affected by your surroundings. Also mentality is not the same as mental health. Mentality can be affected by any banal thing. Mental health shouldn't be. Hope you learned something new today

[@30kps]

At this point, Ranked Mystery Heroes is the only thing keeping me playing ranked because it actually feels semi-close to as much fun as unranked.

[@revenge3265]

I've been having fun in Open Queue. Get to play whatever I want to practice on without the pressure and 20 minute Qs of GM lol

[@realglutenfree]

Dude same. But for some reason it got a weird influx of leavers lately. I enjoyed this mode so much but since like two weeks or something there is a leaver in every second match.

[@noahcreel8717]

@@revenge3265Maybe don’t play at 4am and you won’t wait 20 mins

[@zaiasm2305]

Open q and mystery heroes for me although mystery heroes has been kinda annoying lately last season i was getting different characters randomly and now all I get is a bunch of supports like 3-4 times in a row

[@rion354]

​@@zaiasm2305I absolutely enjoy mystery heroes but the RNG at times can be rather harsh. I have rotated three characters that I had at the time. I experience. I'm a horrible widow and at the time Hanzo was my worst. But I do enjoy the overwatch suffering no matter what

[@seanhubbard6033]

Eskay was so spot on with the stuff about losing 5 games early on, or getting 4 wins then losing 5

[@ianchambers37]

Yep. Often for me. Usually 2 to 4 wins in a row then no matter how hard I try I get stuck in at least 1 to 2 games that are unwinnable for some reason or another. Then even if I get another win to hit 5 I often stay the same rank. Says I'm better than some random % of players from (75 to 96% ive seen before) yet I stay same rank...lol. it's not even the 50 50 flats talks of but some elo sort of hell. 😂

[@CYWNightmare]

I got held hostage in gold for quite some time. Dps who never knew the enemy team had a mercy etc..

[@YoBoyGio]

I’m always in a hard cycle when it comes to OW. -Play for a solid month -stop playing for 2 month -play for 2 weeks -stop playing for 4-6 month -repeat

[@TheRealOG157]

Why type this out

[@MrTractorboy135]

@@TheRealOG157 Why type this out?

[@its_lucky252]

@@MrTractorboy135why type this out?

[@gipgap4]

Y tipe th1s owt?

[@veganboytoy3581]

@@gipgap4why type this out?

[@Chr0n0s38]

The fix to the update system while keeping it around is pretty simple: Just update after 5 games. Period. You then know exactly how many games you need to play for the update. Loss streaks don't sour your mood nearly as much. The 4-0 -> 5-5 thing still lets you see your rank go up since you really would have something like 4-1, 1-4. Since you know how many games you need to win, it's much easier to keep the motivation to keep playing.

[@katsdraws]

But then people won’t grind as long 😭

[@WorldKeepsSpinnin]

@@katsdraws They don't regardless, I have alot of friends that play and used to play. In fact most of the time they play less because of it

[@katsdraws]

@@WorldKeepsSpinnin some people are completionists. They have to fill the cards.

[@j1nxxj9]

@@katsdraws exactly. *some*

[@Jessespresso]

I don't know. I would rather be able to play 3 games and know where I am than have to wait another day before I have time to play again to find out what my rank is at. We don't all have time for these things and in my opinion: seeing the numbers go up and down can be anxiety inducing for some. But at least if you're on a losing streak, you can see those numbers and decide to stop playing until the next day vs feeling like you need to grind through the losses until you have those wins to see where you're at.

[@ayeitsdesy5770]

i REALLY want the old system back so i just know my rank after every game instead of the dread of trying win 5 games just to not move or derank lmfao

[@ayeitsdesy5770]

to add, how can i go 5-2 and derank when im positive in wins.... i should be ranking up if its positive. how can positive WR on cards rank me DOWN

[@wichiwachi]

​@@ayeitsdesy5770 i didn't play overwatch 1, but i have played many other competitive games, seeing this ranked system is a joke and i do think they should do something similar to what valorant does, they can keep the card system, but show progress towards the rank, make it like "you need x amount of wins to promote" and when you lose, shift the number, it'd make the ranked system so so so much more satisfying, and even though you could still derank while going positive, at least you'd know what's going on.

[@uzifan88]

fr, the sr number going up and down for me is just like "oh damn i went down 15 sr for losing, ill forget it and then win 5 in a row. i hate having to win to win 5 when very recently on every rank i managed to lose 14 on tank before winning 5, 9 on dps before winning 5 and losing 13 on supp before winning 5. (idk how i happened to do that) but i hate seeing the losses stack before i in 5. its far more demoralizing than sr.

[@revenge3265]

@@ayeitsdesy5770 Too many times have I gone 5-2 or 5-3 and had my rank not move at all...

[@AugustBurnsRed181]

Yeah it’s also bad once you lose too much and you know youre already fucked but you still have to get the 5 wins to restart cards it’s so annoying

[@collinblollin5088]

Back in 2017 OW1, I sucked (as I still do) and knew that despite my passion and competitive drive, I just lacked the skill to really get to the highest level. Then in the summer games, they released Copa Lucioball. I happened to be the perfect mix of both a very highly ranked Rocket League player and Lucio main to where I was extremely good at it, and I finished top 500, earning a special animated spray. It wasn't anything amazing, just a little ball spinning around with spotlights crossing the sky in the background, but going into my plat lobbies and throwing it on the spawn door and having people talk about it with me and recognize that (admittedly unimpressive) achievement was just an awesome experience, not to mention the awesome community surrounding Copa itself. The following year, I had switched over to PC from console, and was very excited to get another animated Copa spray in 2018. I grinded it out, and had a great time, only to find out that for some reason the top 500 spray for Copa that year was just a different static spray, instead of an animated one, which was disappointing to say the least after all of the effort I had just put in. The year after that, I played a little bit but lacked the motivation to get onto the leaderboards, and that was the last time I played it before they took Copa Lucioball away. Small things like animated sprays and competitive Lucioball may seem small to the larger playerbase, but those small things can mean the world to a select few people.

[@doupard]

It’s just the details that do it for us and the little fun ceilings of glory that resonate with us

[@jotamodesto]

I like Eskay's take on the servers merges. Brazil used to have a dedicated server, but because of the players dropout it's now merged with the rest of SA. Now imagine being the only country of SA that doesn't speak spanish.

[@joaomarcossouzadacosta7858]

Eh foda memo bicho

[@duuprado]

pfv tira os argentino do meu jogooooooooooo

[@Veinelso]

Os servers de OW no pc não tem players direito, eu migrei do PlayStation pro PC achando que ia ter mais gente, maior engano.

[@jomoju]

Doesn't make any difference for the rest of SA countries playing in Brazilian servers. Now I live in central American and in ow1 always jumped between NA and SA servers and never match language , I think most of Spanish speakers goes to Europe servers where you can find people speaking Spanish

[@damianateiro]

​@@jomojuActually, if it makes a difference in the rest of the servers, generally, even though different languages are spoken, they try to speak English, the thing is that Brazilians do not usually do it when they are the only country in Latin America that does not speak Spanish and even when you see the Most of your team with Hispanic names, and although there are similarities, Portuguese and Spanish are not the same at all, and you want it not to affect that they understand you if you talk through the chat

[@benlevenson6129]

Someone mentioned leavers, that's such an easy fix that it's absurd it hasn't been implemented. If someone leaves, everyone that wasn't queued with them will have no penalty. The leaver, and everyone queued with them, will receive a loss like normal. It makes it impossible to boost using that and it mitigates the negative effects of leavers.

[@tgs5725]

It isn't common but I've had probably 15 games total where we push the payload and get 3 points with ease. Straight stomping them. Then a teammate leaves so we get rolled then beat in OT. An easy win ruined by the 4v5

[@benlevenson6129]

@@tgs5725 I've had 10 games in the last 3 days where someone on my team left and 1 where someone on the other team left. Still maintaining above a 50% winerate tho

[@tgs5725]

@benlevenson6129 yeah leavers happen all the time. I meant specifically that scenario tho

[@kempolar9768]

My last game last night I got pulled in 10 seconds before the last round was over (quickplay obviously) and there was literally no one else on my team. 5 out of 5 people had left and then 1 random got pulled in last second, obviously the game has massive issues with leavers. I know its quickplay, but if that type of leaving culture bleeds into comp at all its gonna suck. And shocker that it sucks.

[@baddriversofthenorcalarea500]

Or, hear me out, nobody loses anything if there is a leaver (within first 30 sec when game ends anyway). Nobody receives an L and everyone just moves on.

[@orionlucas3272]

Nah, I genuinely have cards where I go 5-2 just to stay the same rank, or 5-3 and go down. Positive win rate should never rank me down.

[@Mantrahiroshima]

And never keep you the same either. Why are they giving us games that we win but don’t count towards ranking up? Makes zero sense

[@orionlucas3272]

@@Mantrahiroshima that is not at all what I'm saying. Your wins always count as a win. I'm also fine with staying the same rank when I go positive because I'm aware of hidden mmr and sr's difference.

[@noahsarkhive4482]

The irony is, the rank system itself hasn't really changed at all since ow1 but it for even more nebulous with the card system. Back in ow1, we had the same complaints but they're phrased like "why do I only get 16SR for a win but u lose 27? I'm never gonna climb like this!" The Sr system was and is still absolutely broken n very confusing because personal performance always counts more than a win or a loss. And now with the card system it loyerally makes 0 sense to still judge players like this. It should be a fixed number (eg 25 for a win and 25 for a loss). Like this, a positive win rate is all that matters (U know, like in the pro-scene. U win or you lose, how you got there is irrelevant)

[@orionlucas3272]

@noahsarkhive4482 I agree with the philosophy you suggested, " win or lose = go up or down, no matter how you get there." That said in OW1 I played 600+ hours and never once did I only go up 16sr. You could go up/down anywhere from 27-34 sr each match based on how well you did, so if you win you go up, but based on your performance it could be more or less, so the problem was you could win while playing bad and go up 27, then lose the next game while doing bad and go down 34. You as the player only feel like you won 1 and lost 1 so in your head it's even and you should be right back where you were before either game was played, but instead there's a difference of -7 Sr and you don't know why you dropped a rank after going even all day. The card system just perpetuates this by not showing you what rank you are until you've already forgotten what your performance was in those 10 matches you played. So you go even on a card and go down, but don't know why. (Edit: not based on how well you did, but based on where your hidden mmr is. Whether it is higher or lower than your Sr, but hidden mmr is gone, so that only applied to season 4 and prior.)

[@Stoo_pad]

Thats because the ow1 system is still there of your SR changing every game its just hidden. for example lets say Youre Gold 5 that's basically 2000-2099 SR, Of course gold in OW 1 was 2000-2499 SR. In OW2 each division is the equivalent of 100 SR. Lets say on your previous positive card you reached gold 5 you may just be barely 2000 sr. Maybe 2008 SR lets say. Going 5-3 is great but depending on how bad your losses were and how good your wins are you may have only gained 40 SR which puts you at 2048. You went up by going 5-3 but not enough for a full rank up.

[@oldenough7943]

I think you can tell how disheartened people are in ranked with how quick people are to quit. I had three people leave in three different games all within one series

[@beywheelzhater8930]

Still remember the time my team got steamrolled game one because our tank insta quit and then everyone but me quit during the change the round 2. I remember standing there on the point, a lone zenyatta, ready to hit one last voiceline before my inevitable death only to be erased from reality in an instant

[@AxShawn]

I'll say this once again(beating a dead horse) THERE NEEDS TO BE A SOLO ROLE QUEUE AND A PARTY ROLE QUEUE.

[@XboxNightmare_NM]

Dang dude, I’ve been saying this for every shooters since Black Ops 4 did it most recent, add in a Mercenary playlist for us solo players

[@AxShawn]

@@XboxNightmare_NM man i dont know how much more simple it could be

[@frostyfeet8653]

I don’t think there is a big enough player base tbh.

[@tjfkc]

didnt they try that and no one played it?

[@Aegis-_-]

Player base too small. Q times would skyrocket

[@qualityarsenic3922]

Completely unrelated, but the fact that Flats ASKED if he could react to the video is just really cool. Most people wouldn't have bothered. They'd get sent a video and react to it without a second thought. Kudos to you, even if it is the decent thing to do.

[@Wooblidoo]

After my placement matches last season I went 5-1 and stayed the same. I then went 5-2 and got deranked. 5-4 was the next card and it ranked me back up. This season after going 5-4 in placements, I'm 2 ranks higher than last season. It makes absolutely no sense to me. Also my support is at gold and I haven't played tank in ranked OW2. Yet when I play tank in unranked it puts me with diamond - top 500 players.

[@joester4251]

Exactly! So im a support main and no joke went 5-3 first placement then 5-4 next (season5) and didnt move at all BUT when i played tank and went 5-4 which is not my main role btw, i went up one division.... like wtf how i rank up on my off role but not on my main with two same placements 🤦‍♂️. Ranked is so fucked and absolutely makes no sense

[@DA_Ald]

@@joester4251it’s bcz the game looks at how you play ( your stats are a little indicator but your playstyle is important if the game think you play like a diamond when your gold but lose you will lose less so you can still rank up if you go like 5-7

[@joester4251]

@@DA_Ald so the game thinks im better at tank? Thats wild then cause i dont play tank as often. I have more time as a support and i generally do good on my support games. Then again i havent played in season 6 yet so maybe ill rank up in support but my support games in season 5 i had tanks that are not as great as enemy tank and DPS who dont get elims to win fights. It is what it is tho, its just annoyimg at this point

[@shinygravel]

I've gone 5-0 and de ranked 2 ranks. Really annoying, a lot of time and wins to get it back.

[@cuthalion9573]

@@DA_Ald No it does not! Aaron Keller did say indeed that its pure about elo and win/lose. Personal perfomance is a OW1 thing. And i really doubt that it worked there.

[@NFace23]

just bring back rank updates after every 5 games regardless of W/L and I think the mood of the competitive playerbase will improve dramatically

[@jimmyjab8744]

For ages now ive imagined what if you could display the heroes u play the most at the start of the match. Every person on ur team having chosen 3 heroes below their name in the hero select so at the very start you can easily set up a team comp and know what you could ask someone to switch to.

[@angelum1699]

That would be awesome but also cause so much toxicity , I can already see or hear people going “nah why you go for that pick play what u have on ur top 3 played heroes “ 😂😭

[@styregt2006]

you could always turn that off

[@minami_janai]

@@styregt2006if you could turn it off there’d be no point. The problem lowkey is people on overwatch are so adverse to confrontation and/or are just soft to where the devs feel the need to hide everything that would help players form competitive strats easier with less verbal communication needed ( which is already hard bc no one talks in rank). That isn’t be diminishing that some ppl can obviously use the info to be toxic, but majority of people will use it for reason op said. It would be really nice to have seeing as we used to have it where you would hover over a profile and see the persons top 3 most played and they took it away

[@jimmyjab8744]

@@minami_janai i didnt know we used to have that system but yea thats pretty similar to the idea.

[@jimmyjab8744]

@@angelum1699eh i dont see it causing that much toxicity honestly. I guess some. Especially for people whos 3 selected heroes for example dps are like, sombra, mei, junk. Yea theyd get hate. But to be fair it would do a lot of good and only a bit of bad. Compared to something like medals, that did only bad almost except for memes like, "uhm, ur talking to bronze damage"

[@Lerker2000]

In Splatoon instead of being 5/15 it's 5/3. Because you can only ever have 3 losses in a card, the amount you lose doesn't actually feel that bad. (also it does a psychology thing of taking away all the points at once and then "giving" you points even if you lose but if you win then you get more than you started with whereas if you lose you keep going down)

[@VWES-jk3gw]

The splatoon system is so useful, I mean, the only gripes I have are the Rank Up Battles, but the points system where you can still make up your credits even in the negatives is so useful.

[@ThePaulodash]

I think 5v5 stack should be like cod did back when cod elite was a thing, build a guild/clan compete in a limited time event (weekends in the case of cod elite), earn points and spend with clan stuff (in the case of cod it was xp to earn gold clan tag).

[@tylerskrovemusic]

This ^

[@simplysmiley4670]

That would require whoever's making decisions at Activision Blizzard to _not_ want to monetize everything imaginable.

[@coolanthony7880]

I have not heard this mentioned alot but I really miss the social tab where I could find groups to play comp or qp with. Im super upset they removed it. I felt like it helped bring the community together and promoted the team type play style that the game is built around

[@Jessespresso]

I agree with this ^^ But also I'm surprised we haven't seen players use the custom games as an LFG replacement since they removed it. Just title the game LFG, whatever rank/game mode you want etc and add people to group when they join

[@richardespinoza9989]

I miss the old OW1 rank system. I never had an issue with it apart from the 2 point gain for winning certain games.

[@ninthfriend3347]

I wish sr comes back. Every game you get a number update whether you win or lose and showing sr number instead of top 500 for peak is better. It's better information and reflects your skill rating better. This system is much worst no matter if they want to fix rank anxiety. Because most of the time, you don't know until you get an actual rank update. And tiers doesn't really tell you specifically where you are unless you get a rank update where the bottom text shows you. But after that, that's all you really know.

[@Ellipsis115]

1:56 Thank you Eskay it is very comforting that if I lose 15 in a row, I will know I'm not alone.

[@KHORVUSKHORAX]

I've just gone 5-2 and stayed the same 🙄 just to clarify, I've never lost a card in the month I've played this, 3 cards, 3 winning cards, never budged, I'm super confused on this system!

[@stupidmonkey151]

You really do have to have a 5-2 or better to get anywhere in my experience. Make sure to pay attention to your percentile "standing" within your division, too.

[@Kannatron]

There is no such thing as a winning card. Every 5 wins it weighs your win loss ratio. Thing is, a hidden MMR which is kinda like a ballast up or down which is very hard to move is pulling the strings. U went 5-2 but the game thinks you should be lower, you proved it wrong with more wins than losses, and so you stayed the same but your hidden MMR is slightly higher.

[@Kannatron]

@@stupidmonkey151if you go 5-2 for 10 rank changes in a row over 70 matches total, the last 5-2 rank change will bump you up way more than the first time you went 5-2. Hidden MMR is a ranking variance stabilization mechanism.

[@kellz9972]

I've never completed the 15 losses and the same happens to me. 5-2 and I'll just not move. Complete demotivating when you invest a few hours to grind.

[@KHORVUSKHORAX]

@Kannatron I know there isn't but that was the only way to describe it, 5 wins on a card (win card) 15 losses on a card (lose card) and I understand but it should be shown, how do they expect people (especially new players) to grind if it isn't transparent?...

[@shannonolson9333]

So my bf is a rocket league player so I thought it was funny how she mentioned the rocket league ranked system and then says that basically team queue should be available at certain times, that is basically the tournament system in rocket league- it’s available at certain times of the day (ex. 12pm, 3pm, 6pm) and you queue in a team of people from your comp level (but your tournament comp rank is different after your first queue and becomes separate from your 3vs3 rank) and the games are basically lined up, and I do agree for higher level players this would be great to implement there would be no wait times other than just waiting to see which team you end up matched against (if your game ends early) and obv if tons of people are willing to wait a few mins for rocket league I’m sure overwatch players would as well, and even in low elo it would still be fun to queue tournaments with friends at least - but in rocket league your also rewarded for doing tournaments with fun cosmetics and titles so maybe that’s whats holding blizzard back from implementing it but I think it would be a better system for overwatch and fun for everyone and it gives you another different experience and separate ranking. Just my two cents from a gf of a grand champ rocket league player. 😅 -ps. tho I’m ass at rocket league compared to my bf I just know this stuff cuz I’d enjoy watching him play, acc playing tho different story 😭

[@jasonmension3979]

I have a theory about this ranked system. So we all know loser queue exists in other games, it's been proven riot loves to put it in some of its games, but the problem with loser queue is it would be relatively easy to discover if you had the old system but with this new system, you cant actually tell who the hell you're inna game with, and with private profiles you're actually left with just the general ranking of the lobby and we had to fight for that, so what if they implemented this system specifically so they could also implement loser queue?

[@ChriSaito]

The derank at the end of a card you lost a lot on is so demoralizing. I finally hit Silver 4 from Bronze 5 at the end of last season after losing SIlver 5 at the end of season 2. I've been so excited the past few weeks to finally be back! I had more or less a 50% win rate since then but suddenly I hop on with my buddy yesterday and lose 5 games in a row. I honestly wasn't worried about it. I still had fun! I load up today and I've ended with 9 losses 2 wins. I don't really want to play now. I don't know why I'm losing so much now. In theory I'm playing the same I was a week ago. Whether or not that's true is irrelevant. I know there's nothing but sadness at the end of that card. I'd much prefer to have lost the SR after each game and gained it when I won. Then those past games aren't held over my head.

[@laurennfsk4242]

I know you're not asking for it but I'm available to help you rank up or guide you in how to :) no funny business I just love helping people

[@dreamhollow]

Been stuck in Bronze/Silver for a while. I'm completely demoralized. I've learned enough about the game to be a great asset to my teams, but Bronze tier players usually refuse to listen to others. It's a feedback loop from Hell.

[@ChriSaito]

Just wanted to update. Finished the card with 13 losses. Didn’t derank though so I’m happy about that!

[@cuthalion9573]

@@ChriSaito No derank with 13 losses?! Wow thats crazy. I got derank cuz of 1 or 2 losses. Not all time but it happens.

[@miloslye8464]

Man, I went 5-2 in placements and I still got silver 2… I was low masters 2 seasons ago and didn’t play much last season. This decay is insane.

[@dragu_la]

about the wins and loss system, i don't play ranked but i can't imagine how rough it must feel. especially if you're in a losing game. in qp if we're not getting anywhere i tend to think "i'm only here for my daily i just want this match to end" i cant imagine feeling that in a ranked game, then with the card system, when they are usually double the length

[@ianchambers37]

It's a special kind of misery 😂 it feels rough, especially if you get 3 to 4 wins in a row. Almost like clockwork, I find I get stuck the next game in unwinnable games. Doesn't matter how much I heal as support or help push or even do some extra damage, just doesn't happen. Even if I go 5 and 2 or any positive win ratio I'm still stuck at current rank somehow. Only time I haven't is open queue somehow but that mode is a gongshow at the best of times usually. 😅

[@shuzilong]

Yeah for years, I was wondering why playing ranked felt soo much like you are at a job, playing to work and not playing for fun, but I have never been able to piece the mess of spaghetti that is ranked in the overall grand scale of the system as a whole. This clarified SO much now, and happy that there are people that felt the same vibe to this mud ground system. Cause it felt too much like a Chore.

[@KoiPuff]

I like playing Support. But sometimes I also like playing DPS or Tank. But the second I que for those, even though everyone was the same rank, it would be “GG Mercy on DPS”. It got so toxic I just stopped playing those roles all together. So I have a profile that’s Masters Tank and DPS with the bare minimum games played to not trigger decay. That’s a player base issue though.

[@connerpopp95]

A ranked system I'd like to see used by more competitive games is the one used by Pokemon Unite. If you aren't familiar with it's ranked system, at it's basic, you gain points when you win and you lose points when you lose, and you rank up/down when you hit a certain point total. What makes it good imo it's how they reward/take away points. The game takes into consideration your match performance into the point totals (all stats, not just damage and healing). So if you win and you did really well on your team, you will be rewarded better for that win than the guy who did basically nothing and got carried. The same thing applies with losing, where you lose less points if you were still doing well, and the guy who was feeding would lose much more points. This system isn't perfect, since none can be, but it at least makes you feel better for actually doing well, whether you win or lose. And it also incentives people to continue to try, even if you're losing, that way you don't just drop a ton with every loss.

[@Bubbaboy3k]

I remember going 14 and 3 and deranking twice, I really haven't played since Edit. After thinking more on the group queue system, you could do it bi-weekly and play with the grouping systems a bit or have 2 different team queues (limited ie. within the same rank as in diamond 3s only on a team and normal, where it has the regular rank group limits)

[@syvulpie]

I remember winning 5 games in a row once and my rank never changed. It sucked.

[@hectorrivera4005]

I remembered going 15 - 4 , in two of the new ranks i keep the same rank and in the last one i derank so now i use the heroes i want to learn in rank because the game is a joke

[@Bubbaboy3k]

@hectorrivera4005 the biggest joke was raking to plat 2, not playing anymore games (2 days left in season 1) the game said I finished gold 1 and I placed silver 5

[@ianchambers37]

​@@Bubbaboy3kouch 😂

[@ThePsycoNinja]

I recently started to play overwatch again. Once I got comfortable with controls again, I jumped back into competitive play. And I can say that the conversation happens quite often about how tough or confusing ranking up is

[@rogue_ruggie]

For the pinned hero thing that you talked about around 27:35, if blizz decides to add it, I think players should be able to pin 2-3 heroes. Preferably one per role. That way if just say I decide to play dps or tank instead of support, you can see that I like to play Widow and ram, and not just see the Lucio pin on a non-support role

[@albinofroggy]

The worst part about ranked is that if you genuinely do need to derank, (whether it be getting placed too high or simply just not having a lot of time to grind it out or whatever), it is near impossible. I started OW2 at the start of season 4. I got placed in fcking diamond despite not playing ow for years and only being high gold/low plat at best on OW1. It has taken me hundreds of losses and countless people cussing me out in vc to finally derank down to silver where I finally have a chance. When you can only derank after 15 losses and it goes 1-2 divisions at a time it takes dozens, if not hundreds, of hours just to play the game. It wouldn't be so bad if unranked play wasn't taking into account your hidden mmr, but since I was higher rated in ranked it through me in with higher ranked players in unranked too. It was a miserable experience, but after several months of the slog I can finally play against people equally as shit as me. (For anyone curious my win% in seasons 4 and 5 for ranked was hovering around 20-30% before i got down to low gold, but it's back up to almost 50/50 finally. I've made a comment about this before on this channel too)

[@CurlyCross]

Hit my peak on Tank went 4-0 immediately after and was stoked! Ready to watch the climb, had 3 games in a row with a leaver. 4-3. Won the next and 5-3 didn't move...

[@DeerestAshe]

1:30 a something I always tell people “You critique a game because you love a game, you want better for yourself and the player base’

[@padarousou]

I never played ow1 but I played ow2 when it first came out for about a month then stopped because the comp matchmaking just felt frustrating and unbalanced. I started playing again about a week ago and while it does feel much better, it still feels like about 1/3 games are unwinnable or unlosable and there is no way to tell why because you cant see if the other team (or your own team) is stacked or higher ranked. If there was more transparency I think the game would much less frustrating because at least you would know whether you got in a bad matchmaking situation or you just played badly.

[@imzesok]

Completely agree on the voice coms thing. it's such a typical FPS problem though. Nobody wants to communicate with the team, unless it's the shit on them. The sheer lack of self-awareness some people have, when you hand them a live mic, is astounding. It doesn't matter if it's COD, OW, VAL, CS, or Siege, it's always the most toxic, heinous shit that you'd never hear from anyone IRL(because it would get them punched if they did). I genuinely don't blame people for just muting voice anymore. it used to bug me, because real-time comms are important, but holy-shit i'd rather lose because of that, than have to listen to the person with 0 kills 0 assists, and giving 0 useful callouts rant and rave about how bad the rest of the team supposedly is, when all they're doing is sitting in spawn crying while the rest of us actually are playing the obj. And that's assuming they didn't try to go all lone-wolf and get themselves killed immediately because they didn't bother to drone ahead or wait for the rest of us.

[@MrProver]

This season I went 5W 3L and dranked, the next card I went 5W and 3L and ranked up, quickplay has been much more fun

[@madtonesbr]

Must feel awful. You went 10-6 all to just stay the same with a 62% winrate which in any competitive FPS should be giving you progress.

[@ianchambers37]

Done the same. Feels so miserable lol

[@ianchambers37]

​@@madtonesbragreed 100%. It's ridiculous

[@zachtalkssmack4470]

What of the most insane things about overwatch 2 is the fact they removed the ability to find a group.

[@slipperywhale2486]

One time I was 5-1 and didn’t rank up. It was heartbreaking.

[@VinnyFonseca]

I already went 5-0 and deranked.

[@juakored]

And that's why people quit. When the game launched I got my favorite role locked at Bronze 5 because of a bug (all the other roles would rank up normally). I could go 5-0 and stay bronze 5... It only got fixed after the Ramatra update. Honestly I'd have uninstalled if I didn't play this game with friends sometimes. Ranked is a joke and Blizzard a circus full of clowns.

[@Swankster9000]

I remember getting 4-0 in comp, and then losing three games and deranking once I got that fifth win. Went from playing and winning in matches that were a rank higher than I was to then getting stuck in my rank. Not knowing how to improve outside of “just win lol” isn’t a good system, it inhibits growth

[@DireFiR]

Im getting 10-20 minute ques for low masters games lol, not to mention the fact that the games that i do finally get are about 30% of the time complete stomps that either my team or the other team had 0 chance to win, I've deranked from masters 4 to plat 1, solo quing (in my experience at least) is dreadful

[@danielbrandstetter8713]

regarding SR, I think you could explain a lot of the SR gain/loss differences with just adding a few tags to the game like "underranked for lobby" or "overranked for lobby" or "backfill" or "left early". Even if you aren't showing the individual impact that each of these things have, you could still at least say "hey, I lost 40 SR in this game because I was overranked and we still lost, that makes sense" or "oh, I left early and they penalized me 40 SR for it" or "oh, I joined with 60s left on the clock, so that's why it only lost 5 SR for that game".

[@AVHD2]

I think one of the that pisses me off the most is you can’t do anything about the losses stacking up Say you get three losses then a win, okay doing pretty bad but I can come back from it Take another three losses. Guess I’ll die, guaranteed to derank now even if I win all my matches from this point on Like wtf? So now, I just have to sit there, knowing I’ll de-rank and try to win as many games as I can - and possibly lose MORE. You get shafted for losing matches more than any other game, because they just sit there and stack. And if you don’t win the five before they stack up, you. Are. Fucked It’s so stupid

[@supercraig89day]

Okay, to all the players that don’t play Overwatch/don’t play ranked, read this: Imagine loading into ranked and you queue for Support. You love playing or like using Kiriko. You load into the game and your teammate auto-locks Kiriko. So your options are healers your not good at. So already, your playing a healer you really don’t know how to play, like maybe Mercy for example. Then your teammates don’t coordinate and you have a Reinhardt (Up-close fighter) with a widow and symmetra. You can’t play your favorite healer, horrible team comp. The game starts and your team gets killed, it’s pretty much GG right then and there. You sweat and grind like you never had before, just to lose. The next game, you get put in a lobby that is lower than last game (You are trying to find your rank) And you have to deal with that for many more games until your in silver 3 games. On my main account, I’m a Plat 5 tank, Gold 3 DPS, and Gold 1 support. On my alternate account, I’m a Plat 1 Tank, Diamond 1 DPS, and Diamond 4 support. So is it my teammates or is it me? The ranked system never tells you what’s going on. 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢

[@offpossum]

eskay's video summarizes the problem i have with ranked in ow2 so accurate, it is insane. Altough I am not a T500 player, I can at least relat to her statements in that regard.

[@lukaskubik4698]

After the first two seasons of OW2, I have not touched a single game of ranked. I kept getting 5-1/5-2 cards and still not moving from bronze 5, while people playing in the same group got up all the way to silver. A horrendous system.

[@Lily-gr1ct]

It's deflating for real casual players too. That lose streak can last literal DAYS. Knowing you'll turn on the game to derank is disappointing. I haven't played tank in comp since season 4 because I had a dreadful lose streak and now I just don't touch it despite everything resetting because I don't want that to happen again, and tank was my highest rank (though my least favourite role). And then the wins also feel bad when there's no movement at all I went 5-8 and didn't derank, which I was surprised about. A couple days later I got 5-0. And stayed the same rank. In reality it makes sense. 5-8 and then 5-0, on average you'd be the same rank or barely one rank higher if that. But seeing 5-0 and not moving at all, especially when you're in lower ranks and the ranking does change a lot quicker than high level play, is just miserable. I mostly play comp mystery heroes now because sticking to a single role is stressful, and lose streaks on MH feels more random, more justified. Seeing myself drop two ranks on MH feels like bad luck. Doing it on your favourite role, and doing it while getting consistently high stats on the team, and even doing it when winning games but not moving just sucks so much

[@user-et3xn2jm1u]

Back when it was 7W/20L, I would literally forget where I was on the card by the time I finished it. I'd play comp maybe every few days, a couple games each time, I'm sure there were months where I only finished one single card the whole month. 5W/15L is honestly not much better, I still think it should have been no more than 3 wins or 5 games total.

[@FallenEvaneskyro07]

Wow the way you resonate with each other makes this so much more endearing!

[@awesomeavis7861]

Wasn’t the reason the person in second didn’t get rank 1 after several wins was because both of them had already reached max “sr” so there wasn’t any further they could climb?

[@ThePaulodash]

Nah the max sr was 5000 and only evermore manage to reach back in season 3 or 2 of ow1.

[@awesomeavis7861]

@@ThePaulodash what about in ow2 tho

[@mellowdius]

In Overwatch 2 I cliimbed from Gold to low GM, but not getting to see the SR just makes me wonder if I actually have improved that much or if it's just due to a terrible matchmaking system. So even if the overall "anxiety" is lower there will always be a feeling of self doubt looming over me

[@ShockByte94]

this season I went 5 and 0 and stayed silver 5. at that point i deleted the game off my computer until they fix the system

[@llllllllllllllIIlIllIIllIIIIll]

lol

[@jezeppie2390]

Last season I was super frustrated because halfway through the season I was 0 - 6 on tank in diamond 5. So I ended up just never playing tank the entire rest of the season. It was super annoying knowing that no matter what I was going to derank, really unmotivating.

[@christiansteeves4596]

What kept me playing OW1 was wanting to get better and rank up, I was never crazy at the game but I climbed from silver to 3380sr peak in the ~2 years I played OW1, but that desire completely gone with the new rank system and I havent has a season with over 25 hours since season 3. Also, it doesn't help that playing Baldurs Gate 3 really reminded me just how scummy and anti-consumer Blizzard and really any giant in the industry is now. For $80 you can easily get 50+ hours of enjoyment in just one campaign, then you can play it again and complete all the sidequests you missed, try a different build, and just make other choices, when I saw the PVE bundle is $20 I just couldn't buy it, there's not a chance it's even close to 1/4 of enjoyment as Baldurs Gate 3 yet its priced at that, I never bought it but considering I don't hear anyone talk about it and not having overwhelmingly positive reviews Id reckon it's not even a 100th as amazing. So thanks Larian Studios for reminding me and many others what a good video game company is like and theres not a chance that I'm ever buying another Battlepass or skin from Blizzard.

[@user-et3xn2jm1u]

For me it's Street Fighter 6, Capcom made an actual good game that is good, well-designed, well-balanced, beginner friendly even for someone new to the genre, deep, fast bug fixes, sensible development decisions, GOOD GAME. It is possible, the companies just have to want to do it. Indie devs have been proving this for decades, but even the AAA devs, they can still do it, most of them just don't want to.

[@Fainted-Ikaros]

What if we change open queue to OG OW1 queue like before 222 but it's still 6v6 and you don't nerf the tank health?

[@andresthegiant2963]

Why not give people the option of a sliding scale for comp quality? Decide range of ranks you'll allow in your games vs time to queue based on how strict your range is.

[@sqaky746]

I agree with the person who said we should slap our bellies when flats seems sad! BELLY SLAPS 4 FLATS!!!!

[@ChugEhLug]

i want to slap it...

[@allrebel5943]

My personally experience In ranked is that my best personal games are always losses no matter how hard I try or how many picks I get, whereas my wins come from my mid games where I’m not even playing my best. It’s a weird thing I’ve never experienced in a ranked system other than siege

[@ConspiracyCinema]

I went 5-2 once and then about 5-4 and stayed silver 1 the entire time... Not even a lowering of rank? Seemed strange

[@KartikayKaul]

28:20 It may not be a big problem but it became such a huge problem in six siege while playing ranked that people had to use r6tracker or r6stats in overwolf to be able to adjust accordingly because they hid the basic rank stat that would show up in a match. It was essential in ranked games to know. People got used to it but I might be wrong with people got used to it thing because a lot of veterans (except content creators) already left especially in Asia region. Siege had a huge market potential in India which just went down in a trice due to a lot of ways Ubi handled their game.

[@imzesok]

It's that way with Starcraft 2's ladder as well. You get more loss of MMR losing then you ever can gain when winning. What's worse is you gain even less winning vs an unranked player, and lose the same amount and sometimes more(because the amount you lose and win aren't remotely consistent). the normal gain/loss is +21/-24-34(sometimes you can lose up to 100 mmr depending on how dumb of a thing you lost to), for unranked it's +16-19(unless their ranked mmr is diamond+ in which case you get +4 for winning as a silver/gold). Oh, and did I mention their ranked and unranked playlist is exactly the same pool of players(just using different mmr for each)? Because it is. What ends up happening is you get masters and diamond players not able to find games in ranked so they play unranked which they don't normally play, and get matched with those of us in the lower leagues that ARE playing ranked. Unlike most other games you can't even really derank, you retain the rank until the start of the new season. So, you'll either get better and go positive, or you're staring at negative MMR on your score summary screen all season long. I'd rather it just derank immediately, it cannot feel any worse than it does knowing full well you'll be losing rank later. Like Febrezeaire in the comments said: Winning doesn't make even make you happy, just relieved. the only time I'm actually happy is if I get lucky and destroy an obvious smurf doing some memey build. I guess this kinda just proves that blizzard these days is brain-dead when it comes to competitive ladder setups. They took something incredibly fun and made it stressful, and impossible to keep new players interested.

[@marshtomp8]

To those people saying Overwatch is the only game where you can feel sad with both a win and a loss, you have clearly never played Pokemon Unite.

[@cdgametrader]

Ty, for explaining some of the throwers I have encountered as I have tried to climb. As a quick explanation, Overwatch was the first online FPS game I played and have been improving (attempting to improve) ever since. The trouble is, as a competitor, I want to play higher games so I can learn new tactics and from my mistakes; HOWEVER, there are trolls and throwers. The explanation about a smurf account duo'ing with another player makes sense and I have encountered that on the ladder. As such, I feel there is a barrier to ranking up. I definitely agree with a lot that has been said.

[@tigerfalco]

I actually prefer the card system but I understand the downsides and issues. With the SR system i felt like i was making no progress. It was frustrating, win lose win lose I stay the same, at the same number. Win 2 games lose 1 and im almost back where i started somehow. This new system at least makes me feel like im moving somewhere. The wins may not feel as good unless its a streak, but the losses arent as bad unless its a streak either. It is hard to push through when youre sitting on a bunch of losses knowing a de-rank's coming, but at least im motivated more often, where as before I was so frustrated i didnt want to bother because every bit of progress felt so miniscule it was negligible.

[@roderik1990]

I honestly feel like either system are just two ways of dealing with the problem of players expecting their rank to steadily climb over time. Where instead it just plateaus for a large amount of players. There's pro's and con's to either system. More frequent smaller changes (but because of the frequency you see more of its variance), or less frequent potentially bigger changes. (though it often averages out to a small change anyway) Ironically though, as much as people hate on the rank decay, I actually feel like it did work to make you see more small gains, instead of the slightly worse feeling equal spread of gains and losses. But most of the benefits were reduced because with the card system you don't see your SR change nearly as often. And the downgrade in rank felt really bad. IMHO it still balances out, but I also understand why this was perceived so poorly.

[@mayitakeyourhatsir8632]

Yeah on the topic of the "Top 500" title, I remember one time I was looking at the leaderboards and the rank 1 tank player had "Diamond Sleuth" as their title and honestly that's a significantly better title to have than "Top 500 Role Challenger."

[@ZarelidT]

Everyone in the comments acting like they ain’t the reason for why rank sucks. My god

[@Tsuyoku_]

Funniest thing for me is that, while people who go 5-3 or 5-0 straight, get deranked, I went 5-16 once and ranked up from M1 to GM1 LMAOOO

[@Windbend3r]

It’s only miserable because the unbalanced matchmaking.

[@Grunkked]

As a west coaster i can confirm, queue times are usually 5 -20 seconds, and if its more than a minute its a long queue

[@chaaosheretic]

I would love to try push for top 500 hell top rank in any competitive game but my biggest issue is my anxiety that shuts me down before I can even think about loading a ranked game up. I don't even like playing normal's without someone to help calm my nerves.

[@kayden-blodgett9032]

I wish she talked more about the issues lower ranked players have. Ow1 accounts that didn’t get past gold have a harder time ranking up in ow2. While fresh accounts can get to plat no problem.

[@I_am_a_cat_]

How can she talk about what she hasn't experienced?? She's talking about what it's like for her

[@evad4you]

I've always wondered why Overwatch doesn't take a page out of Guild Wars 2 system of having automated tournaments running from specific times throughout the day - and actually the Team Queue would be the perfect format for that. In GW2 its an automated pvp tournament - you can register 15 minutes before it starts, you must be a team of 5, and you must play every match to receive rewards. They might have to work on some reward structure for long term interest but it seems like a no-brainer to me.

[@ThySupremeFriend]

The thing about private profiles that sucks is not knowing anything about the lobby you're in other than the "average". The game will sometimes throw in a player almost an entire division above the average and balance it out with a lower ranked player. That higher ranked player can carry the game enough that the lower ranked player won't matter. It's unfair and I want to know whether I'm just out of my depth or making too many mistakes for my rank. I got thrown in a borderline masters lobby twice as a gold dps (I belonged in plat at the time but had a losing streak and ended up in gold). It was incredibly unfair and I wouldn't have known if their profiles were private. One of my teammates even complained that I was in his lobby.

[@lodewykk]

26:50 - Pinning a selection of characters publically actually a really cool suggestion.

[@user-anonymous4910]

I've had a person who becomes constantly stuck in Bronze for some reason. One day, we played and won 4 games in a row, 0 losses, they already had rank of Bronze claiming being hard stuck in it, I didn't have rank yet. So we played for 4 games of wins then stop playing for the day. Next day, I played one game myself (I was unranked Tank) and won technically the 5 games, 1 alone though. I didn't care about what rank I get, I just wanted to help them out rank up. Once I got rank, I got Plat 3. They played a game by themselves and won, then went down in Bronze from if I recall from Bronze 3 to reset 4 or 5. (They were Support when we played and when they played by themselves).

[@mingautumns4238]

Before I even started this video I was thinking about how much I want SR back. To hear Eskay say that she would like SR back as well makes me feel relieved that I’m not the only one. Let me see my rank go up or down after every match. Way back when SR was a thing, you could lose a few matches and not go down in rank and it was easier to bounce back imo.

[@MonkeyChopOfficial]

The new system increases anxiety, it’s exactly like eskay said, if I lose 4-5 off rip I am so demotivated to continue my card knowing it’s an L regardless of what I do. And I definitely agree it’s frustrating you don’t get any visible reward for the 4 that you win. I’ve had many times I’ve had to step away from overwatch because the ranked system was too disheartening, I can only enjoy it now because I tapped out on caring about the numbers and just play the game to play the game now rank be dammed

[@aaronsmith2044]

No wonder my low match games feel weird at times. Either I get a team that can push up hard to the enemy spawn, or I become the victim and stuck in spawn unable to progress.

[@Dobbysfree]

With the current system I don’t look at overwatch (competitive) as something i can sit down and play a few games of. The only time I’m incentivized to play is if I have enough time to sit down and try to crank out an entire card and (hopefully) rank up, which happens one in every three times or something like that. For some I consistently stay the same rank if I don’t have a win rate of 5-2 or better, which is crazy for this game. Not to mention it’ll say that “you’re better than ‘X%’ of players in this rank’”. If that number is 70% or higher, which it often is, then why the hell am I in that rank?!

[@Idle_Timer]

For me, my least favorite thing was doing placements at the begining of a season, now ranked feels like placements. Plus since the matchmaking is solely based on your background numbers your rank doesnt actually mean anything.

[@maxtrimm9221]

Envious you’ve never experienced going 5-3 (one time 5-2) and de-ranking, has happened to me at least 8 times since release and its extremely discouraging.

[@shiloh3541]

Same

[@adenmarsteiner2933]

If I ever do worse that 5-2 I don't rank up. 5-3 I usually stay the same, and draws seem to just act as a loss.

[@freemanzweidreifunf8025]

Include SR back, but only for GM1 and Bronze 5. Since for those elos there is no comparison of ranking inside that rank (other than the T500 leaderboards), you could achieve higher transparency by just showing the SR at these ranks, displaying the change in SR for every game they play, and removing the card system once you hit that GM1/B5 threshold. An additional change that could make the "1W-7L-depression" go away is a manual "rank me now" button for when there are more than 5 losses total, or double the losses than wins, or something like this on your current card. You could take the L willingly, derank, and then start over with a new card on which you can "rank up again". Even though the continuation of the old card would get you to that "ranked up"-rank anyway, it probably feels better to take the L yourself and fight for a rank up again. I think the card system does have its positives, so I wouldn't want to remove it entirely, but transparency for GM1 or B5 players must be there for a sense of progression past the lowest and highest ranks.

[@piyushbasutkar8270]

The rank system takes into account, not just wins and losses, but your stats in those games too. Some of the games you win by pure chance where someone on the enemy team is throwing or went AFK. In such cases, system doesn't count that match on an equal metric compared to a truly earned win. That is one major factor for such derank anomalies. Other factors also slightly come into play for example: even if you won the game but your stats, compared to the average of that character on that rank are low. Therefore you don't get equal rating compared to otherwise. Another factor I believe is that during your rank recalibration, there is a weightage to overall average stats in that particular rank group for the particular role, that gets updated every hour. If your average is below that, meaning you are not performing well enough, doesn't matter win/loss ratio. All this pile up overtime and contributes to this derank anomaly. I know all this because that's how I believe it works in Dota 2 that I have played for 9000 hours now.

[@kasm7870]

Assuming every game is designed as a 50/50 win/loss, the current system *shows* more loss than gain. It’s similar to stock advice they give people who want to trade. New traders often sell after some profit, but hold until losses become huge because “it may go up.” In Overwatch, they are essentially “selling” your card after a few gains but waiting after constant loss. This means a perfect card is far less beneficial than the loss of an average bad card (even if an average bad card is less common than a great card). I believe this could he remedied by making the system go back to 7win21loss, but make that when your card is “auto-redeemed,” and players can choose when to translate their card into their rank. So if you want to redeem when you’re 1-1 and net nothing, that’s your choice.

[@user-et3xn2jm1u]

I have to feel like Eskay is about eight months late on this video. People have been complaining about a lot of this stuff pretty much since launch, and the devs kept saying "we're working on it", and now here we are.

[@madtonesbr]

To be fair to her the devs promised and implemented some changes - there was a major rank update, they removed rank decay, and revised the card ranking system from 7 wins and 14 losses to 5 wins and 10 losses. They also provided a lot of cyrptic explanations. While this video would have also applied in Season 1, it's even more urgent in Season 6 because blizzard supposedly made it better and they haven't. we've gone from "the game was just released, we're working on it" to "we fixed it" or "it's working as intended" which is worse for us as players because it shows we have even less to hope for at this point

[@btugvd]

26:12 so bassically bringing back the top 3 played thing that used to show up in ow1

[@CH4R10T_TV]

34:23 I agree people didn't really care about the animated sprays, but what about animated avatars? People care about avatars way more, it's visible every match, they can feature different characters or concepts from the playable heroes to more lore-specific heroes which would pair well with the introduction of the PVE content we've been getting, and generally would likely be very popular. Like Eskay says, it's still asking for a lot, but you never know, it could be fun.

[@boblobster5126]

I love how blizzard thinks that the 5 wins system help make a loss feel better, but it just makes it worse. The only reason you play comp is to win 5 games and see your rank go up. It’s more stressful, and you feel like you have to succeed. However in casual you’re free to just have fun in a stress free environment and do dumb strats with your friends that you wouldn’t dare do in comp. But with this current system, at least for me if I lose one or two games I won’t go up a rank, I’ll either go down or most likely stay. So if I get 1 win 2 losses why even play comp anymore? I know it’s just going to be a waste of time because my rank won’t change, and I can have more fun in casual anyway. The only reason I play comp is the fun of climbing, but this rank system ruins that.

[@akkiko]

Thinking someone hates something simply because they can constructively criticize it is a long standing issue. People desperately need to relearn critical thinking and nuance.

[@hyperbola0]

about the ranked thing, I think there's a better system to fix the "ranked anxiety" problem. - keep the current division system instead of the SR system - if your rank increases to XX20, rank up to that division - if your rank decreases below XX80, rank down to that division - show SR on profiles at/above GM for example, let's say a player is in plat 3 at 2793. they win the game, get 21 sr which puts them to 2814, so no change in the rank. then they win another and gain 19sr (2833), which rank-ups to plat 2. now say they lose two more games and get -47sr, putting them at 2786 but still in plat 2. losing one more game brings them back into plat 3.

[@PhalanxSpirit]

Lemme tell you… as a returning Soldier main.. i just hit diamond 4..nothing crazy but something.. I noticed that there’s just heroes that you kinda have to pick into certain teams.. If the enemy has a Mauga or a Hog, and your supports dont go ana + zen.. you will ha a very hard time breaking that tank.. if the tank doesnt over extend, and plays correctly it’s nearly impossible to kill him.. granted there’s ways around it (flank his team, focus the backline etc).. I’m lucky enough to main a good consistent character.. if you play him well Soldier is probably viable in any team.. but some people’s mains are not like that.. So i’m guessing that people feeling like they have to switch, makes ranked feel like shit for them

[@biggestenjoyerofthebiggest7796]

another thing that wasn't mentioned at all from the video eskay did nor flats was that ranked being bad ruins casual too idk if you guys know but a gm player is normally better than an average player at the game, which means if there's 1 gm player on both teams and the rest of the people aren't it means that no matter the role if one of the gms die the other team immediately wins the teamfight making the game feel more like a 1v1 strategy game than a fair fight only exception being a gm mercy since mercy's pistol isn't able to gun down 5 people reliably outside of valk which leaves everyone else in a situation with 4 paths, outright quit the game, play ranked that nobody wants to play which is why we have this issue to begin with, keep playing casual and get stomped every game by a single widow/baptise/genji/doomfist because their gm was a few ranked points higher than your gm or play arcade mode/open que which only insane people play I wouldn't mind if it was once every few games but it's every single game where it's always a mercy pocketed ash/mercy pocketed echo/mercy pocketed widow/cass/doom/zarya/genji/soldier/sojourn/baptise/zen/bastion that completely stops the entire team because they had support pockets, a reaper watching their flank/a soldier waiting to heal them and a reinhardt holding rightclick and it's not even as if it's their fault they're getting into lobbies like that the game is just so confused if it wants to be casual or competitive that they neglect both and leads to nobody enjoying the game except for the gm players in casual who enjoy kicking babies after they just ran back from spawn because they accidentally jumped into the water on rialto

[@Hraesvelg]

I feel the biggest demotivator here is that change occurs off the back of a win. You feel good for that last win, you come off pumped and then reality hits and you derank. Because rank doesn’t change after 5 games, it changes after 5 wins, there’s a chance likely 50-50 that you don’t even get positive reinforcement off the back of a win. I wonder what the proportion of people playing another game after a derank is.

[@madtonesbr]

To add to this, I have a theory that it's always hard to get that 5th win because after 4 wins and a winning record, your MMR has ranked up, so you're now in a tougher lobby and more likely to lose despite your shown rank being the same. Thus, the tendency people have (anecdotally) reported that the 5th win is always tougher to get and lots of people going on loss streaks before being able to re-rank. Which brings back the point that Eskay made that of the common situation you never got rewarded for that win streak and new peak until you had some additional losses, because of the dumb card system that rewards FURIOUS win streaks but not moderate ones, and makes moderate ones look like no progress. No positive reinforcement as you mentioned, just stress.

[@Hraesvelg]

@@madtonesbr another point here that I realised is the card screen doesn’t even appear at a loss. You are never reminded of how many you have lost and can’t find it anywhere.

[@hypnotoad101]

I left TF2 for Overwatch beta mainly for the assumptions player pool would be bigger and ranked would be a little better developed. (particularly for OCE) A lot of these issues were present in TF2 and other games and it's not an Overwatch problem, it's an industry problem where we've expected it to be fleshed out better by someone with the industry leading netcode. But it has been stuck for more than a few years. I still think the issue draws back to the constriction of corpa culture has on development. They are coasting by on having one industry leading tech and milking it for shareholder profit. I took 2 months off to do other things in season 5 because certain devs left the game, and I couldn't care about monetisation as long as it doesn't get in the way of the development. And it clearly has. I love hide and seek as much as the next person but that is not the kind of development I come to Overwatch for. It's superficial and can be done in workshop better in a lot of cases. All the interesting development stuff has slowed down and become diluted out by monetisation it's probably going to cause me to leave and come back more often than I used to. Which I've considered might actually help the game sustain diametrically opposed playstyles and people. I think the only way to fix all this is to properly involve a clan/group/team system and have ranks based on the team and all its members instead of individuals being looked at unfairly. And have us able to join and contribute to multiple teams and seperate solo and team queues. There is a gaping hole in this part of development being made by monetization exploiting something it doesn't understand.