Philip Joyce -Tone Tips - pedal stacking

A short video exploring the stacking of different overdrive pedals and how they interact with each other and gain structuring.
Signal chain is Guitar - DS-1 - TS7 - American sound - Amp
www.philipjoycemusic.com
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[@RhythmGrizz]

mad respect for the joyo american sound.

[@kimmolingonheimo]

cheaper than a tube amp, for tone sculpting one of the best...

[@bofranciscofilms]

I've just bought one and love it so much!! All the Joyo ones were out of stock, but found out the Harley Benton one is the exact same pedal, and is £10 less than the already ridiculously cheap Joyo anyways!! Literally a wall of different Fender amps all by itself!!

[@Bound_And_Skinned_Official]

I think there Joyo British is better

[@MrDeanDog91]

@@bofranciscofilms When the yoyos came out they were like 20$ haha, so glad I bought it then

[@musicman4christjesus]

@@MrDeanDog91 agree! Got my American sound and the AC Sound as well. Gave away the AC sound though.

[@naffer]

Thanks for the demo Philip . I bought an American Sound based on this , followed your lead and it worked out great for me

[@eddiecarter9831]

If nothing else, this demo has helped me to decide to definitely look into the joyo amp in a box pedals! WOW! That clean tone is excellent!!!

[@snooze0023]

The DS1 for me is a split personality pedal. One day i find its awesome and the next it sounds all cheap and thin and washed out.

[@mattterrell4304]

Well said I feel the same

[@sercanpektas27]

@@mattterrell4304 I used to think in that way but one day one of my friends suggested to me that I should never turn the tone knob above 9 o'clock. Then I really started to love Ds-1. I mostly used it at tone knob 6-7 o'clock. You probably now this tip but I wanted to write.

[@kimmolingonheimo]

never did like Boss peds, nor the Katanas, but the Joyo Am Sound is very nice to have on board! very good playing at the end of this vid!!!

[@daddyosink4413]

I had the same probelm... I gave mine away. I bought a RAT and never looked back.

[@MrDeanDog91]

@@sercanpektas27 Anything below 9 sounds like mud to me, I mostly keep it on 10-11.

[@gerardkalkman3179]

Great vid and nice tone! Thanks man :-) Just the vid I was looking for! Ordered 'the American' yesterday and already have a TS and a DS-1 so definately gonna try this as well!

[@josephmidkiff789]

Most useful video I watched all day! Thanks man!

[@jay2xtremefy]

Very good tone with low cost pedal. Genius. Love it.

[@DrMtz]

Jay Nartz Isn't better to buy a good pedal instead of 3 that causes more white noise, space, cables, complications etc...

[@ermonski]

@@DrMtz it's hard to get a good high gain sound with just one pedal. Stacking dirts is always the best way to get more gain without losing clarity. For noise... It's rock and roll. As long as it's not ground loop or 60hz cycle hum it's normal.

[@thesugarbuzzproject1909]

That sounds great! I had always heard that it was better to hit low gain first and increase along the chain, but having the DS1 before the TS sounds freaking great! Thanks for the great video. :)

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

The Sugarbuzz Project you're welcome. Glad you enjoyed it.

[@MrMetalclay]

Great video. Stacking is fun, I put a cheap chain of pedals together Left to right: Behringer EQ, Behringer GDi21, Digitech Hot head (similar to ds1) Both drive pedals are set at low gain (volume maxed on hot head) and sound like overdrives with different characteristics on their own, they sound pretty heavy together.

[@sacardevos]

I just saw a video at the JHS channel where he stacks pedals the other way around. Light overdrive, overdrive and then fuzz. Btw, it's the first time I see someone doing the opposite way.

[@joanardon6222]

Thank you for this, I stacked a Boss Metal Zone into a Hardwire Tube Overdrive and it sounds fuckin' amazing, the Metal Zone isn't bad, but it is not great either, with the Tube Overdrive the tone instantly becomes super powerful and flexible!

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

Joan Garcia ah that's great to hear. that's my point with this video. you have to experiment because you might find certain pedals work great with each other and others won't.

[@kellylucas2633]

I am currently doing something similar to ur set up here I like the sound of my ts9 tube screamer first then into my ds1 then into my American sound but I still love the tone u got out of running the ts7 after the ds1

[@user-de8ll9gy9p]

I'm doing same combination of distortion and overdrive, mate. Love it. I made a little mod to DS-1, I removed D4 diode. It made the pedal way more loud than stock unit. My next mod will be changing one of the capacitors to give ds-1 more mids.

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

That sounds like a good mod to make. The ds1 definitely lacks a little volume

[@user-de8ll9gy9p]

@@PhilipJoyceMusician if your version is not SMT circuit board, then it's super easy. Some suggest removing both diodes D4 and D5, but it steals lots of gain from pedal, so one of them is enough. Try it out by unsoldering one of the diode's legs, so it's easy to put it back in case if you need it.

[@frankcarty]

good video Phil. I stack a BlackStar HT Dual into a MXR ZW-44. Sometimes switch the MXR with a boss super overdrive. I used to own a DS-1, though the best thing about it was the off switch! I must say, it sounds very nice in that video!

[@hhattingh]

This is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you for a to the point, yet detailed enough video for us newbies.

[@skippertheeyechild6621]

You are a fierce player! Good stuff.

[@dimasfa2181]

Hi philip, when 3 of em stacked together and running in the front of the amp, will they get noisey in live/bigger situation? Im plannin to buy american joyo and stacking it with my OCD and tubescreamer. Great video, cheers!

[@thepiperofsimms9974]

Much appreciated Philip! Your playing was damn nice! Thank you from Yuma,Arizona USA

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

Thank you very much. Appreciate those kind words

[@jancreighton]

nice demo and nice bit of experimental stacking. Like the Joyo too - great little pedal to have - just by way of a side note... check out Khruangbin's Mark Speer... runs a DS-1 into a pretty clean sounding Fender Deluxe Reverb... his set up is simple - DS-1 into PH-3 into compressor into reverb into delay ...into amp. Achieves a pleasing tone with this set-up... Interestingly he runs the DS-1 with both tone and drive set to zero... and vol. level all the way up.

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

I'll check him out. Thanks for the tip

[@musicman4christjesus]

Awesome demo! Would love to hear your take on adding an IR Loader after the American Sound. I bought the Sonicake Sonic IR and it blew me away! Totally opened up limitless tonal possibilities with the drive pedals and American sound pedal. It's incredible how much an IR for specific Amp Cabs make a difference in tone. I ran it into a Celestion 2X12 and wow! But I was even more blown away when I added a Fender 1959 4×10 Cab which is included free with the Sonicake IR loader. Hopefully you can try it and post an updated review with your Awesome setup!

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

I haven't to be honest. I view the American sound as a standalone amp in a box solution so if I need it to go direct there's no need to run an IR with it as it has an analog speaker SIM already.

[@musicman4christjesus]

@@PhilipJoyceMusician yeah makes sense that way. In my board I have it before my delays and reverb in the Zoom G3. That goes direct to the board via built in XLR. But yeah the American Sound is so amazing!

[@rangksan84]

Great video....I like the dust it off part on to the old pedals coz I have the same Boss DS 1 pedal sounds bad on its own...I will try to stack it with an overdrive....!!! is that recommended or should I go for the tube screamers only..!!

[@F3502000]

Great playing and very informative! Nice!!

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

The Great Gazoo thank you.

[@eddavenport1970]

Awesome tone Philip. Thx for the share.. :)

[@FeddguitarraOficial]

wooooou that sound powerful! Which guitar are you using? and your pickups? and so, are you going into an amp?

[@cavemanzach9475]

I have a boss ds-1 with a donner blues pedal and they make a really well-rounded heavy distortion sound. I'm looking at the joyo american to stack with the donner to try and get a fuzz sound

[@handel1111]

stack Donner with Mosky Mini Muff ( Sus 10/10, Tone 6/10) sounds so massive

[@mjwontstop]

I got mine finally. Can i just go staright with my Joyo American? No Direct box needed?

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

I went and got this one Keeley modded after this video, but I still don't know if I like it on its own.

[@saunaanuas7036]

Hey I would add that if you don't want the sound of jfet buffers in overload covering your pedals tones, you should try to keep the output of each pedal low. I know tube screamers and DS-1 have a jfet buffer on input. Not sure about the Joyo. Depends a bit on the jfet but the buffer should distort if you feed nearly a 1V signal, which is like 3 times you clean guitar signal (depends on pickups used). I used to use a clean boost pedal (totally clean boost) to see how the the distortion sound changed by just overloading the pedal input. Also used a little keyboard organ sound as a test tone. If you want the jfet overloading sound I would suggest get a jfet based booster instead, the overdrive will be way better because in a buffer the jfet is configured to behave linear (aka plain, boring) whereas in most booster configs the jfet behaves more like a tube stage.

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

Sauna Anuas interesting. i have noticed that some drives can kind of collapse when you hit their front end hard with another drive or boost etc. the low end starts to flub out

[@saunaanuas7036]

Philip Joyce Yeah I think thats why boss, ibanez and others use jfet for input. Some opamps, if you feed them way far out will kind of block, even thou the spec for most op amps says they wont ( "non latch operation" ). TL072 is known for phase invert the waveform peaks when getting close to that limit. I think I saw a video here on you tube showing this on an osciloscpe.

[@chadunderwood6024]

Hey can you tell me which model of crate 15 watt amp this is please?

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

The DS-1 does do that 80's high gain thing well, run into your Wampler would probably sound great.

[@brandishedsword]

Good video, good thoughts, fresh take, well done.

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

Thanks very much. Glad you enjoyed it.

[@rakistastuffs7094]

Great demo!! Please make a demo of the American sound with a fuzz pedal, big muff! Thanks!

[@tequilaroseband1]

Very nice vid! its great to hear a guitar players different approaches to sounds... most vids out there concentrate on technique too much.

[@marlonborreo]

Great demo! I run my pedals somewhat similar. I use a wampler ecstasy as my basic clean-ish /slightly dirty tone then I run an SD1 into it for crunch/lead. I was already looking to add a DS1 for heavier sounds because I find that in certain songs, the SD1 lacks in terms of gain even when stacked with the wampler. When I run into this demo of yours. You got me gassing for the classic DS-1!

[@macsoto6947]

Nice sound from Joyo American, at the last... i heard modulation, but what is your modulation pedal? Delay or Echo Phillip???

[@dencio719]

I wish you could do stacking videos with the Joyo British as well.

[@jameshetfield8289]

Wow killer tone!!

[@Jo3sX]

Great video! Stacking drives is blowing my mind a little, but this is a great starting point. Never heard a DS-1 actually sound nice!

[@RhythmGrizz]

Joel Stephenson ds1s are fabulous

[@auntjenifer7774]

RhythmGrizz # my ds-1 is splendid !

[@auntjenifer7774]

Joel Stephenson * maybe my DS-1 sounds fantastic because I push it into the TS-9 and"Stack" gain as he says.

[@seb5542]

@@auntjenifer7774 I put mine into a cheap amp and it sounds bloody amazing, it all depends on how you set it up.

[@billybumbler69]

OMG!!! I just did this again.... Your way is the Best!!!

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

Thank you 🙏🏻 glad you got some use from the video

[@jamesm5744]

Nice one Phil, its an area a lot of lads dont look into. Great vid

[@Dan-ms4oq]

BRILLIANT!

[@Hozzle1138]

I find the ds1 is incredible by itself. You have to dial it in.

[@ruiseartalcorn]

I agree!

[@tommykaira8775]

Let's see your video of the great DS1 sound

[@garyjones7044]

@@tommykaira8775 let's see your video of criticizing people for having an opinion.

[@tommykaira8775]

@@garyjones7044 I said I can’t dial in a great sound, you want to hear that?

[@sunnydeyaliofficial]

lol

[@co5oos]

Sounds great!

[@Sturgie35]

Currently experimenting with the DS-1. I like to kick it on for that Steve Stevens, chug sound. Tried stacking it into a SD-1 and I wasn't sold so, someone recommended putting the DS-1 closer to the amp and the SD-1 driving the DS-1. The trick was to lower the gain on the DS-1 so you are just using the EQ band for the thumpy bass sound. Great results so far!

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

Yes its great for the 80's type hard rock sounds. Glad you're enjoying it.

[@saustindavis]

I chuckled a little when your phone vibrated... Thanks for the demo!

[@Nightingale1887]

I checked mine

[@dwiputranto81]

i checked mine too.. LoL

[@shaunixtvxx7278]

S. Austin Davis cool vid..

[@luisgoregonzalez7394]

Great combination stack pedals

[@Cheguebuddha]

Love your vids man! Subscribed! You must be a Dubliner :) Greetings from Denmark!

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

hey man. thanks. I'm actually not a dubliner, I'm from Galway which is on the west coast

[@kadaosw]

thanks for this demo, a test with the joyo american sound and joyo us dream thanks

[@mattgilbert7347]

US Dream is better than the Suhr Riot

[@dogbrother663]

thanks very much for this, very helpful video. now I'll reveal a secret: that boss ds1 pedal that you're using is the same pedal that Steve Rothery, the guitarist of marillion use.

[@potatopeelerX]

I modded my DS-1 so it sounds more open and cuts through when playing live. But, yeh the stock version is not so great. Most pros do something similar to this, where they have some sort of drive either on the amp or from a pedal and run the DS-1 into that. Steve Vai and Joe Satriani used to do this early on, and it sounded great!

[@MrEointroy]

never heard a ds1 sound so good :)

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

You're very welcome, there's a wealth sounds be be found by stacking pedals together. Play with the order of them, enjoy.

[@MichaelMoore-od4jz]

loved the video makes sense

[@Halliday7895]

what about the Hot mode ont eh tone lock TS7 its basically letting you turn up the drive a whole other time...the switch starts the gain where it left off fo down is normal mode and max is doubled! i used to use the Hot mode on the very low side and controlled the volume and gain with my guitar volume pot. but now i use ODR1 and a TS10 together ...

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

You know I don't ever really remember using the hot more much . I only really like tubescreamers as boosts into already overdriven amps or just put just a little hair on a clean sound. So I can't imagine I'd have ever used it.

[@srh361]

When stacking od/distortion is it good to use a noise gate? I've noticed increased unmusical/horrible noise when stacking some pedals together, or stacking with my amps od channel.

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

Ray Helton Thats entirely up to you, if the noise bothers you then by all means do, i find that the hiss is not heard over any playing, and once i turn them off when not in use then i don't find it to be a problem

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

Thanks James.

[@kellylucas2633]

just got my joyo American I love it

[@Dickunddoof]

Nice demo. Seems to work fine.

[@sseltrek1a2b]

nice...very clear understanding of why you "want" to do this...

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

Thanks. Glad you enjoyed the video

[@Anton_the_Vampire]

A question: if you like using a heavier "rhythm sound' but then want to" push it over the top" for lead, can you use the OD & distortion pedals the other way around? I.e. OD after distortion. Also, at, what, point would you then need a noise gate?

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

The OD is after the distortion. If you had a third pedal you could use one to boost the front of the distortion for an even more compressed and gained out sound. I don't think it would sound great though as it would start to get very mushy

[@boyt.5542]

im little conused well can somebody tell me please if the joyo american is overdrive pedal or a preamp pedal?

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

It's a preamp that can be used as an overdrive

[@SilentKRock]

and what amp is used for demo ?

[@mikerauter1859]

awesome video. can you demo stacking a hm2 into the american sound?

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

If you'd like to send me a HM2 I'd be happy to 😁

[@arosalesmusic]

HAVE TRIED THE OTHER WAY AROUND? Tube Screamer into the DS-1?

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

Yes I did. I didn't like it as much

[@jswen2477]

great demo!

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

Thanks chris

[@icyurchins]

What kind of amp are you plugged into and also what kind of fender?

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

It was a little 15w solid state crate practice amp and the guitar I believe was a musicman Luke

[@arkavagoswami3068]

Ur videos are really helpful.thank u a lot for the tips..Bdw I have a doubt that. How abt I use an joyo American as e clean preamp then add joyo extreme n a ts in a chain as I'm mostly a metal riff player ..Do u think will it work well?Kindly share opinion plz

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

Arkava Goswami thank you. Glad you found them helpful. I don't see why you couldn't use it that way.

[@arkavagoswami3068]

Philip Joyce I use boss me 80 n an Ltd mh1000nt guitar but recently I'm leaning to analog pedals to have more crystal clear voicing..Hence planning n saw Ur videos, subscribed n asked for Ur opinion/help :)

[@DaveSteele07]

I like my TS 7. I have a similar setup like yours, but I use a mojo mojo.

[@davidlalremruata]

I hope to do a combination of a Behringer n a Boss Overdrive as soon as they reach me. Combining an overdrive n a distortion has always been an idea that's bedn around me head since 1990. Thanks for the guidance.

[@DeltaLimaBR]

Modulation pedals should go after the Joyo American sound?

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

Depends. I like phaser I front of amp. I like chorus after. Whatever sounds best to you

[@emersonfernandes9664]

Muito top, sou fã do DS1

[@johnsavage5666]

good one my line up is british sound + delay + actone for distortion,

[@DunderHead.5000]

I wonder how clean the Joyo would be if hit with an EMG 81/60. I'm looking to color the sound of a poweramp to give it some flavor without adding distortion because I have other pedals for that.

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

With the gain low and the voice set towards the black face side it will stay very clean . I was using it in this video with an EMG 85 .

[@DunderHead.5000]

@@PhilipJoyceMusician Very cool. Thank you for the info. I like the tonal qualities and the feel of the 81/60 but don't need the punch so, I tend to sit them pretty low. But even then they can easily over power a lot of preamps.

[@somefuckinguy7107]

Time to dig up my old DS1, maybe even mod it. The Joyo pedal, thats an amp simulator right? I am guessing you are playing through a DAW or a PA? Would that not be a good pedal for a tube amp? I have a BlackHeart Handsome Devil. I am impressed by that Joyo pedal but it would prob not do me any good on my amp, but maybe for recording into a daw? Any thoughts?

[@goldtop362]

The Joyo preamp pedal would sound great through your Handsome Devil! I had one for a while, with a Patriot Swamp Thang speaker in it. I run a Joyo British (Marshall) sound into a Bugera V22 tube amp and it sounds tasty. The other guitarist in my band tried it through my amp at a rehearsal and couldn't get over how good it sounded....and he plays through a Marshall! They're really inexpensive pedals (£25-30) you should give one a try....

[@philchapman1463]

Great demonstration of using a DS-1, thats how they work best - see That Pedal Show on the DS-1 : )

[@mjwontstop]

Great Job!

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

Thanks 🙏🏻

[@357jazzman]

what do you think of the joyo british sound pedal and could you do a demo?

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

I've never tried one so I couldn't tell you what it's like. if anyone from JOYO would like to send me one I'd gladly demo it.

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

I've heard it sound good with certain amps, they get on well with mid heavy Marshall type amps. Into a super clean fender type amp they generally sound horrid. Imo.

[@Marcelo29prof]

Great ! TS-7 before DS-1. Good ideia. I have a Joyo American Sound : Excelente.

[@willco5431]

I found the DS-1 to be a very good pedal and I always used it alone. must be the settings

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

every combination of guitar and amp is gonna sound differently. I'm sharing my experience with it. If it works for you then that's great.

[@boddah67kc94]

+William Diggins I bought and old one from Japan after being disappointed with the one I bought new. The difference was night and day.

[@timothydeleon5179]

Hello, thanks for this vid just wanna ask a quick question. I have a blues driver as my main drive and planning to add a ds-1 for my solos. Will it work as well as this example? Thank you

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

Timothy De Leon it should. The blues singer is a little softer in the mids, but if you like the tone and it works with your amp then it should be good

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

Timothy De Leon obtained thing is, if you run it the same way as in this video it will not really give you much of an increase in volume. It will mainly just increase the gain.

[@timothydeleon5179]

Thanks man:)

[@SocieteMacabre]

This video vindicates me… K. K. Downing nearly force-fed me his fist once when I encouraged him to combine pedals, or as you say, stack… And some of those joyos with mild distortion are great for stacking

[@dwikisanjaya9737]

Its american pedal, best joyo for distortion & overdrive? How about actone, california or british? Thanks

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

I haven't tried those others so I really can't say. I'd imagine the California sound will be the most high gain, and the British sound will be better for classic rock tones

[@deeppurple51]

You gotta turn the tone down on the DS-1. Then with a bit of reverb... perfect by itself.

[@DerEchteBold]

Good Video, thanks! Could You tell me what brand is the patch cable between the DS and the TS? I was always searching for such flat plugs!

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

Hi there. Thanks for watching. Those are some pancake jacks I got in Maplins an electronics store here in Ireland, switchcraft make similar ones and I also got some good ones from Hircon..

[@DerEchteBold]

Philip Joyce Great, I found the Hicon ones at Thomann, where I usually order my stuff (and fairly cheap also!), thanks again!

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

No problem

[@DerEchteBold]

john hawks ?

[@paulmason7777]

does turning the level up on the DS1 give you a lead boost for solo's? its not apparent on the video (maybe because im watching on a phone without the headphones). im guessing the bypass would mean when its switched off the TS7 and Joyo would set the level and not the DS1?

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

the more you crank the level of the ds1 the more it will clip the input of the tubescreamer, so you won't get more volume but more distortion. you might get a little more volume out of it but once it starts to clip the pedal next in line you won't get anymore volume. if you wanted it to be your lead sound you could try placing it after the tubescreamer and then it will dictate the overall level. but it will also then be the more dominant tonal character which may or may not be desirable.

[@paulmason7777]

+Philip Joyce I was actually just thinking more in terms of the way the pedals work. I've got my eye on a Charlie Brown for rhythm and an Angry Charlie for my lead boost. i guess as they are both Marshall emulators i can use the lower gain one first rather than (in your example) the higher gain to drive the next pedal. i like the tone you got from it by the way, really nice sound

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

+Paul Mason you can order them anyway you like depending on which you like the overall tone of more. you could also take the angry Charlie and put a clean boost before it to achieve more gain. or place it after as volume boost.

[@darluciotiquia]

Hi there Philip. I bought myself a joya American Sound pedal just a few weeks ago. It works great for Clean but when I crank up the highs and the drive knobs, It starts to hiss and get noisy. Have you noticed this as well? Thanks.

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

that's perfectly normal and will be the same with any drive and or pre-amp pedal

[@darluciotiquia]

+Philip Joyce Thanks bro. I'm kinda new with pedal tweaking and stuff like those so I really appreciate your response. Thanks for your demos! This one helped alot.👌

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

you're very welcome... thanks for watching.

[@darluciotiquia]

+Philip Joyce God bless you sir!

[@NujillicAx]

the joyo pedal went to input amp or send/return? What if i put OD pedal before DIST. Pedal ?

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

The Joyo went to the amp input in this video. As I say in the video experiment with the order you put your pedals, it will reveal different tones.

[@NujillicAx]

Philip Joyce thanks, I'll try :D

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

NujillicAx you're welcome. Thanks again.

[@caleshtcincredibles]

Great video , that TS turns the DS1 into a pedal you can use. But I still think its a crappy fizzy awful pedal . There is hope for it gain stacking . It changes the game. You are a master of your craft !!

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

Thank you very much. Appreciate the comment . Context is everything. Nothing is completely unusable

[@caleshtcincredibles]

@@PhilipJoyceMusician I agree

[@Thadnill]

Hello i have a disortion pedal and a crybaby wah wah that i would like to combine together, considering that my amplifier isn't that good i always use my disortion pedal to get a really nice sound, and i wanna add my cry baby wah wah to that disortion sound, i have 3 cables but i don't know how to plug them to make them work together? How should i do? Help would be appreciated! this is my first time stacking pedals together, shal my guitar go straight to the amplifier? or to one of the pedals? I wanna have a clean channel, add my disortion to it and then add my wah to the disortion, thanks in advance!

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

ok well the order you should use is Guitar -> Crybaby -> Distortion -> amp you will need 2 long cables and 2 short patch cables to wire this up properly.

[@Thadnill]

Ok thank you! by the way, my disortion pedal is 9 volts and my wah wah pedal is 18 volts, is this a issue? I don't wanna connect them and cause any electronical error before im sure that it will work ok

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

what model of wah is it ? are you using a power supply or batteries ?

[@Thadnill]

The wah is a Slash Signature Sw-95 Crybaby, and I'm using power supply for the wah, and for the other disortion pedal which is a Emma Reezafratzitz , so I'm using no batteries at all

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

ok well if you're using two separate powersupplies you should have no problems

[@number1Don]

Was the joyo American going into an amp direct, or a mixer/ daw then coming out of PA? I assume the former, if so, I heard you should have the pedal that controls clean tone first because a pedal pre amp into an amp pre amp can cause conflict? What difference would there have been if guitar > joyo >ts > ds1? Thanks for the demo.

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

In this video the American sound was going into the front of a small crate practice amp set with the eq very flat. No mic, no pa. Just the phone picking up the sound in the room. With these kind of preamp pedals they should generally be last in line if they're gonna be always on. But you can use them like an over drive pedal either if you so choose. There's no right and wrong with these things. Only what sounds good and works for you

[@number1Don]

@@PhilipJoyceMusician Thanks, lastly, would you place a loop pedal before or after the joyo? In situation A = playing through amp (joyo would be off so whether loop is before or after doesnt matter) or B = going direct to mixer via di box, so joyo is always ON. Basically, ive got the joyo for if not using a proper amp / amp failure so unsure where the loop should sit. Usually the loop would be my last pedal then would go into the amp...so adding in the joyo, is the loop before the last (joyo) pedal assuming joyo is ON. Joyo is the amp in theory, but would the loop get the joyos tone if the joyo is on,but loop placed before it. Sorry for my ignorance, I appreciate your time and help.

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

@@number1Don again it depends. If the American sound is being used as the "amp" and then direct to pa or DAW then it would make sense to put the loop pedal before it. But if you had it after , and record a loop into it with the American sound on then the effect is the same. The tone of the joyo has been recorded into the loop pedal.

[@number1Don]

@@PhilipJoyceMusician Awesome, I think I answered my own question in a way. Thanks.

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

@@number1Don yeah you kinda did. But I think that just proves that there's no right or wrong

[@innerspacerace9196]

My American is on the way and a Stack attack Nux drive core, joyo Orange ………..mostly for my Rhodes

[@Invert_Scrub]

What amp does this Joyo American emulate?

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

The Voice control goes from a fender Tweed deluxe style when all the way to the left and a Black Face twin when all the way to the right

[@Invert_Scrub]

Philip Joyce That's awesome. I happen to be into heavy metal music, do they have a pedal that might emulate a 5150, or something similar? I'm really impressed by how effective it is.

[@ethanp9617]

Nope, Joyo has American (Fender), British (Marshall), AC Tone (Vox), and California (Mesa-Boogie) pedals.

[@JATomo-fp3yr]

what type are you using in this video? hh or single coil?

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

It was a HSS setup on the guitar. Humbucker in the bridge. Single coils in middle and neck

[@mjwontstop]

I like the Clean on The Joyo

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

It's very useful and versatile. I've used it for dirty country gritty clean and far warm jazz. It can do it all

[@trevmusics2948]

nice just want to try this but i want to stack the ts9 then ds1 then joyo.. Will it sound the same?

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

It will sound similar but not the same. The overall character will come from the DS1 in that case

[@trevmusics2948]

thanks Philip :) btw what are your settings in your amp? and in your guitar do you use the bridge pickup only?

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

@@trevmusics2948 I can't remember what the amp settings were (it was 6 years ago) I think I used a mix of the pickups but mostly the bridge

[@trevmusics2948]

Anyway thank you phillip. Hardly wants to achieve your tone. Thank u anyway :)

[@michaelmendillo1961]

Sounds great to me mate,,,, :)

[@davelanciani-dimaensionx]

Sounds great, but I usually send the guitar into the overdrive first, then use that to boost into the higher-gain pedals. Cliched, but it does work for me better than distortion-into-overdrive.

[@Drewcifer]

Same here. I run a TS9 into a DS2 and it sounds great. Every setup where I've ran a distortion into an overdrive sounds like a muddy mess regardless of knob adjustments.

[@maxonmendel5757]

@@Drewcifer that's true for amp in front of a dirty channel too. I tried putting my DS-1 in the effects loop of my Orange Crush and it sounds a little better than before, where it would just take away all the mids and volume from the signal before hitting the dirty channel.

[@zulmochammad1960]

Awesome DEMO dude..... anyway How if i have a A.D.A cabsim??? Should i putt the joyo before a.d.a cabsim??? In this case we run this route for direct to P.A ?

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

Well the American sound has a cab sim so you don't need to use one but if you are going to I would put it after the American sound

[@zulmochammad1960]

Can i double cabsim for that case?? I i mean this the route for example : guitar - overdrive - distortion - delay - reverb - JOYO american (ON Position) - a.d.a cabsim - P.A ???

[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

You cannot turn off the cab sim in the American sound. I mean it's up to you, I'm sure it would be fine with or without the ADA

[@zulmochammad1960]

ok i got it ... thanks for reply i really appreciate 🤝🤝🤝🤝🙋‍♂️🙇‍♂️

[@garmond401]

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[@PhilipJoyceMusician]

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