Fleetwood RV nightmare: Was there a cover up at the factory?

[@LizAmazing]

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[@sherriecapp3234]

Disgusting! I blame the lack of Lemon Law to hold these dishonest companies responsible. It's very obvious they aren't going to do it on their own.

[@heaven-is-real]

Will they get compensated for pain and suffering having to go through all this?

[@Milesco]

​@@heaven-is-real Can't get compensated for pain & suffering on a breach of contract claim, but they oughta get compensated for all the *time* they've had to put in. That's probably not compensable either, but it should be.

[@watchtellyinuk]

No!

[@guttermastersplus5613]

Because of this video, I encourage everybody to reach out to Fleetwood and demand that the people get a brand new RV plus probably the same amount of money reimbursed for damages and suffering

[@terry-zi7eh]

Cmon Fleetwood, buy this rolling nightmare back. Give this family their life back! Keep it up Liz!

[@LizAmazing]

Yes, thank you for this, Terry. Feel free to share this video to increase the pressure on Fleetwood. And thanks for watching.

[@johnbradley8897]

They lost my business. I'm looking for a Class A or Super C.

[@kathykeene2092]

If someone got hurt while traveling, they (Fleetwood) would be facing a million dollar lawsuit.

[@Miner-49]

@@johnbradley8897 Why are you making yourself a victim? If it’s not junk, you still get ripped off.

[@bounderchris]

I wouldn’t say they lost by business if I was looking for a new rig, I would just make sure to inspect it very closely, but I have to say, we’ve had the dash wobble issue but nothing like what these people have.. the wall and floor separating is crazy, clearly this rig wasn’t built right and Fleetwood needs to buy it back…

[@bravotwozero8119]

Every time I start thinking that I might want to purchase an RV, I come to your channel to remind myself why I shouldn't. Thanks for the work you do!

[@godlike3460]

Better luck buying a boat.

[@Milesco]

@bravo: I feel the same way. ☹

[@Shredtires]

These guys are just digging for any problem to make money off it. Even cars have issues. There was a issue for a few years, most any manufacturer will stand behind there products.

[@markeverettjohnson99]

@@Shredtires I will never buy a fleetwood motorhome!!!! What a piece of shit they put out...and not hearing back from the top bosses? Inexcusable bordering on criminal. Sue their asses off.

[@Bmichaels679]

Same

[@ssn712]

Nothing short of a buyback or a new replacement should be accepted. Thanks for your great work, Liz!

[@Vccv-m8p]

This is outrageous. The coach is shaking itself apart. What a shoddy manufacturer!

[@sveronih5376]

Just when you think you’ve seen the worst most shoddiest workmanship, another video comes along that’s even crazier! So glad you help these people have a voice!❤

[@kimkrebs451]

What these people are going through is unacceptable!! They need a buy back.

[@LizAmazing]

Agreed!!!

[@kathykeene2092]

Not just a buy-back or resale, but compensation for ^@#$%-up their year.

[@kimkrebs451]

@@kathykeene2092 definitely

[@Missconduct044]

@@LizAmazingYou really are amazing!!! Don’t let this one go. Keep up the pressure!! Make more videos. That fam needs to be made whole again.

[@Paysoncougarfan.7885]

The RV industry keeps on giving Liz material.

[@Milesco]

I know, right? You think they'd learn their lesson, but it just keeps happening. Especially with Fleetwood -- this is at least the second Fleetwood disaster that Liz has explored on her channel.

[@Milesco]

@juliet4556 You can say *_that_* again! 😁

[@roundstone2020]

I had a Fleetwood diesel pusher 2006, nothing broke over 3 years of ownership.. post pandemic it's seems to have all gone downhill. Thank you Liz!!!! Fleetwood owes them a new RV

[@andrec2465]

most RV's build after 2010 are JUNK

[@happycat3399]

With several upgrades at no charge. The longer they stall the more sure you can be that this is not an isolated incident. If they don’t respond I say retain legal counsel. A few well worded letters may just encourage them to rectify these situations.

[@tubester4567]

That RV was not new. Looks like it has major structural issues. It most likely was involved in a crash or some incident. Maybe a display unit, then they "repaired" it and sold as new.

[@thomaswilson8634]

​@@andrec2465i disagree. I have a drv built in 18. Damn well built camper. Most severe problems I've heard on Liz channel has been 2020 an up.

[@905Alive]

That's because private equity firms swooped in then and bought up everything, most are now made at the same plant in Indiana by clowns, we have a Coachman Legacy 2018 used, they built that one on drugs, every hole is giant 6" jagged hole, wires pinched, no grommets, piping crushed, I did HVACR for over 50 years so can fix it but today if you aren't handy and educated in electrical and plumbing etc, forget it, I see now people buying new Coachmans and others for 50k and up and they're garbage. Glad I bought used

[@George-kn3nc]

This SHOULD BE A BUY BACK!! No question about it!!

[@hippiebits2071]

You always do good work Liz. You are a very valuable asset to the RV community here.

[@LizAmazing]

Thank you so much, glad you are here!

[@karap5882]

good job, Liz, it's so terrible how poorly Fleetwood treated these customers!

[@rvnut1133]

I am glad this video came out today, because I am going to an RV show tomorrow. I am staying away from Fleetwood/Rev Group rigs after hearing that they don’t stand by their product and support their customers. Thanks for sharing.

[@Milesco]

Especially since this is at least the second Fleetwood debacle that Liz has reported on in just the last few months.

[@ciscokid4539]

You should asked the Fleetwood reps about scenarios such as what these folks have currently and specifically ask them what the company does regarding their own warranties, their legal requirements and as a customer service satisfaction policies. See if they have any paperwork or online company info they can give you. It would be interesting as to what they tell you as a potential customer!!!

[@TejasBaby1963]

Most manufacturers are crap so keep that in mind

[@truckguy6.7]

You have about a 80% chance of buying junk. Do your homework.

[@firemarshal17]

It’s not just this company

[@mnc20041]

So sad to hear about this situation. We own a Fleetwood Southwind and are about to purchase a new Southwind but after seeing this video we are rethinking another manufacturer. Thank you for helping the Rv community and we speak with our wallets

[@terrysandiego]

We had a Southwind in the 1990s and it was flawless. Fleetwood is no longer the same company since its bankruptcy years ago. It was purchased and combined with other brands like so many other old faithful brands of yesteryear like Holiday Rambler, etc. Definitely avoid slides.

[@Milesco]

​@@terrysandiego And avoid Fleetwood!

[@TheGoodLifeForEveryone]

Did you let the dealership and fleetwood know this?

[@iii9266]

In 2009, we had a brand new top tier Fleetwood 42' class A diesel pusher come into our shop on it's inaugural run by new owners. We were a class A (old Monaco dealer) not a Fleetwood dealer at all but we dealt with all makes for repairs. The complaint was that the galley overhead cabinets had pulled away from the wall and in danger of falling completely off. After inspection we found ONE small lag screw holding the cabinets to the outer framework. After pics and calls to Fleetwood requesting warranty to repair this, Fleetwood said 'no, it needed to come back to the factory for repair.' Not even to the closest Authorized Fleetwood dealer, but to the factory. From central Washington. We never found out if it made it... Say no to Fleetwood products.

[@eddiegerlach7121]

If it were me, I'd have paid you to make it right and secure and gone after Corporate for reimbursement after the fact...used to own an old Monaco class A diesel pusher and never experienced the horror stories i hear and read about the newer models today. 😳🤯😖

[@iii9266]

@eddiegerlach7121 we had an old 2001 (original conpany) Monaco 42' Signature. Bought it, first cross country run, in Wyoming, 90° in the evening, dash air went out. Turned on the genset to use roof airs. Roof airs wouldn't work either. Sold it after having it less than a year.

[@eddiegerlach7121]

@@iii9266 sounds unfortunate..usually if the roof airs wouldn't work, it was usuallynthe result of that God-awful 4 button tstat... I had mine rebuilt, as they were no longer in production. Yes, things do go wrong even on the older ones, but if I were to get one again, it'd be an older, well-cared for one. I've seen enough horror stories to steer clear of the newer ones.

[@rvfigs2747]

The "dash bounce" issue in Fleetwood's Class A motorhomes has gained significant attention among folks who own a Fleetwood Class A gasser. This long-standing problem, which has affected models like Bounders, Flairs, and Southwinds for years, is rooted in Fleetwood's engineering approach to securing the front sidewalls to the chassis. Fleetwood's method relies on 90-degree angle brackets secured with self-tapping screws, typically about 1.5 inches long. Unfortunately, these screws are often insufficient in number, with some rigs reportedly having as few as one or two per side. Sometimes these self-tapping screws are completely missing, because they either snap off or are not install from the factory. Underneath the wheel well, another 90-degree metal bracket attempts to "secure" the sidewalls to the floor, again using self-tapping screws. This inadequate securing method can result in visible gaps where the wall meets the floor, allowing daylight to penetrate. Additionally, the belt line trim conceals more self-tapping screws, approximately 1 inch in length. Contrary to initial perceptions, in some cases, it's not the dash that's moving but the actual sidewalls, which can move vertically, creating a disconcerting and potentially dangerous situation. While Fleetwood advertises "interlocking walls," this system doesn't extend fully from front to back; if it did, the gaps allowing light through the floor wouldn't exist. The issue could easily be resolved by using bolts and nuts along the belt line and front cap instead of self-tapping screws or by extending the "exclusive interlocking wall system" to the front sidewalls. This problem has been extensively documented on various social media platforms and RV forums. This is the Achilles' heel for all Fleetwood Class A gassers. It's lazy engineering. Should you take it to the REV Factory? You already know the answer to that question. They will just use more self-tappers and send you home. Fleetwood needs to add a few more extra steps in its assembly line. Making these areas more robust isn't rocket science. Stop using so many self-tapping screws. I hope that Fleetwood does the right thing for this family.

[@kathykeene2092]

Wow. Sounds like you know exactly what they’re talking about. Thanks!

[@keevs5adventures]

Does this happen in the Discovery LXE models?

[@ronhall3686]

Thank you for the great explanation. The thought of saving an extra hour or two of labor on a 200,000 dollar coach is truly a sad commentary om Fleetwood.

[@backtoasimplelife]

You know your stuff about Fleetwood's gassers. Is it the same with the diesels? Was there an era where Fleetwood didn't use this faulty method of construction? Thanks for sharing the information.

[@skiman6810]

What you describe is EXACTLY what I found when i crawled underneath mine. Lots of angle iron, self tapping screws everywhere; mine were working their way loose.

[@SpykersB]

😱 Buy it back Fleetwood!! 🍻

[@LizAmazing]

Agreed, thank you!!!

[@MarcMoore]

Wow Liz, after watching your videos I will would never buy an RV, NEVER...

[@paul9156c]

"Never Buy An RV" is the exact title of a KZbin video on Lehto's Law channel.

[@bmwohl]

Ditto. I can afford an RV but I won't buy one. I'd rather adopt by backpacking camping setup to front country car camping or stay in hotels and motels than have to suffer with an expensive, mis-engineered, situation. If there were at least one company committed to quality. Maybe GrechRv ?

[@deborahgarrison4349]

Of course! The factories cannot be ignorant of the shortcuts, thx, Liz

[@LizAmazing]

I know it, Deborah. Thanks for watching.

[@MrSafetyForever]

Genuinely saddened to learn of their issues. Unacceptable for the manufacturer to provide no respond. Speaks volumes for there lack of concern. Wish the family the Best! Take Care

[@gentoolive]

What a disaster, it sure looks like Legislation is needed in this business. You post a new horror story every week..

[@LizAmazing]

I know. It's terrible. I'll be offering solutions we all can do next week. See you then.

[@Miner-49]

Liz doesn’t even scratch the surface of RV problems. There’s thousands out there just like she is reporting on.

[@ronhall3686]

Good luck with legislation with many newcomers voted in with deregulation agendas.

[@chele-chele]

Good luck with that uphill battle. The private equity firms have significant ownership roles in these companies and I believe that is one of the primary reasons they are pinching pennies and dropping the ball on quality. Blackrock, Vanguard, and State Street own the politicians so nothing will be forthcoming from that den of thieves.

[@dklauf]

Legislation. That is funny.

[@borabora4480]

I just emailed RVgroup CEO and the WI state legislature for relief for Jason and Casey. Outrageous!

[@kl0wnkiller912]

I just retired at 64. We are getting ready to buy our first RV. I am doing research and glad I found this channel. I am thinking about a used class A diesel but I need to do more research first.

[@eddiegerlach7121]

Look at older Newmar and Monaco Class A diesel pushers with a side radiator, 2007 and earlier. This avoids the DEF DPF/SCR EPA issues with newer diesel engines. They're also built with better quality materials, from the inside down to the chassis. Good luck and let us know what you decide! 🙏♥️👍

[@kl0wnkiller912]

@@eddiegerlach7121 Thank you! I will look for that!

[@EduardoLlamas-dn9sv]

You should rent before make a descition

[@kl0wnkiller912]

@@EduardoLlamas-dn9sv Thanks. I have had some experience with RVs. I traveled the entire US in one with my grandparents. My biggest concern is that I want something comfortable but not so big that it cannot go into some parks that we may want to visit. I am thinking 32 ft but not a lot of diesel pushers that size, most are larger. Also, not sure about maintenance costs on a diesel. Gas engines I know a lot about. Diesel, not so much.

[@dannyrayhall]

🚓🚒🚑🚔 What a piece of scat, Give this family a buy back! 🚑🚒🚓🚔 Thanks Liz!!!

[@ghostman6074]

I used to fantasize about living in an RV or traveling around the country….after watching your channel I know 100% I will never own a RV. I don’t need problems.

[@donaldm2582]

These videos always make me feel better.

[@patrickoneal1972]

Wow this popped up from looking at RV’s. I was going with the exact model not any more and not even gonna use this manufacturer now. Phew.

[@jayc4283]

Thank you for your videos, you have convinced me that a pickup truck with a cap is the most i will ever own, hotels and minimalist camping is for me. I do not have the patience for these RV craftsmanship and lies issues

[@marsettenmohn]

Sometimes I think I want something a little larger for my family of 4. Then I watch Liz Amazing and I keep my Scamp 19.

[@ElderRVer]

Under no circumstances would take a gamble on ANY new RV. So many of the most serious defects are only identified after extensive use and certainly not during a 4-6 hour stationary inspection.

[@robinmcewen304]

They should buy back the RV as it’s very obvious that it wasn’t built right and shouldn’t have come off the assembly line in the first place. They need to take responsibility and buy it back!

[@LizAmazing]

Agreed, Robin. Feel free to share this video to help get increase the pressure on Rev Group.

[@SnickasBah]

I'm beginning to think a rolling McMansion is a really bad idea.

[@LizAmazing]

I'll have more to say about that next week. See you then and thanks for watching.

[@scottmichaels12]

Paying a quarter of a million dollars or more for a depreciating asset is ALWAYS a bad idea.

[@dc-wp8oc]

@@scottmichaels12 Bingo !

[@vinceess4181]

No kidding right? After seeing the small manufacturer and euro builds these crap boxes are just funny. I wish people would think more.

[@Thesaltymedic36]

My buddy has a Thor and he can see the road between the wall and his seat. The wall is separated from the floor. It’s a class A gas Rv. Those engine troubles could be the fact the chassis sits outside for months maybe under plastic, exposed to rain. Explains why the coil packs died. The slide is a Lippert and it’s too heavy for it, builder error. My buddy’s generator shuts off randomly 🤷🏼‍♂️ never been fixed. It’s a shame they are built so poorly. 😕

[@Maryana1964]

After watching this, I would never buy an RV

[@jasona5806]

IKR

[@billkrill4656]

NEVER 👎

[@paul9156c]

"NEVER BUY AN RV" the title of a video on the KZbin channel known as Lehto's Law.

[@godlike3460]

Definitely not Fleetwood.

[@Milesco]

​@@godlike3460 Agree. Especially Fleetwood. They seem to be particularly bad. This is at least the second Fleetwood disaster that Liz has reported on in just a couple months.

[@chuckpotter1209]

We were considering buying a Fleetwood Class A but not after seeing these severe problems and no concern by Fleetwood.

[@Mike-gc9ih]

Great reporting again

[@LizAmazing]

Thank you, holding their feet to the fire, for sure!

[@danrandall794]

Another great Miss Liz video. This might be the worst one yet. I have expected the wall to fly off as they were driving down the road. That dash shaking was just crazy. They should get a buy back and all expenses reimbursed. I put most of the blame of your videos on the manufacture but how many times do we hear "I took it back and nothing was fixed"? Another nice family that doesn't deserve this!! Thanks again for exposing these criminals.

[@cindyrose4155]

I’m looking to buy a motorhome soon, these videos have really opened my eyes!!! I’ve owned Fleetwood RVs in the past, I’m surprised they are not standing by their product. Shame on Fleetwood!!!

[@thewiseguy3529]

I have a 30-year-old RV I've owned for 10 years. It's a Fleetwood and it's been great. Just basic maintenance is all. Super quiet not a creak or a rattle.. there's even videos on my page, you guys can go check them out, I'm driving the vehicle. I don't think I'll ever get rid of it.

[@Mikey-ii7cq]

Wow! Ok now Fleetwood is CROSSED OFF my list of possible Motorhomes to buy! UNACCEPTABLE doesn't even begin to describe it! If Fleetwood doesn't do right by this family, that tells me everything I need to know about Fleetwood!

[@viper16vet]

Absolutely despicable!! Thank you Liz.

[@LizAmazing]

Thanks for being here!!

[@KevinPu-e2u]

Honestly not surprised to hear. Sorry for the loss that sucks. Really upsetting that rev won't replace your request and fix that one and sell it cheap. Best of luck to you

[@Absaalookemensch]

For every nightmare story there are probably dozens more. It's not just a few minor mistakes there RV manufacturers make.

[@LizAmazing]

I know, so frustrating. I'll be offering solutions next week, see you then and thanks for watching.

[@Absaalookemensch]

@@LizAmazing You ROCK!!!!!! Your videos are a solid 10 out of 10 stars. A must for any prospective RV buyers.

[@kimkrebs451]

Liz, I look forward to Fridays and your videos.

[@LizAmazing]

Thanks Kim! I'll be offering solutions we all can do next week. See you then and have a great weekend!

[@kimkrebs451]

@ you’re welcome !! Have a great weekend yourself.

[@daviddubeck2436]

The violent shaking causing cracking the toilet, seperations in the wall and floor, leaking roof tells me , the chassis is the problem. When you have fasteners coming loose, plumbing fixtures and pipes leaking the tolerances of movement is accessive. Have the chassis and mounting points checked. The molding the owners described indicates they knew there was a problem.

[@zlindauer5315]

yea hitting them potholes and drivin on that bent rim for thousands of miles tells me his ass knew there was a problem. i bet he didnt buy it it vibrating on the test drive.

[@jamespastore3034]

Girlfriend and I had a brand new 2003 Fleetwood Storm 32 foot. Had trouble with the Ford chassis making loud noises with less than 300 miles on it. Ford fixed that. Then we had a water leak under the sink that was on the slideout. Had that fixed. Then while driving on the highway, we went over an uneven section of the highway causing it to rock back and forth and it continued to rock back and forth that wouldn't stop. Highway patrol came next to us and told us to get in the slow lane to stop it from rocking violently. Brought it to a service center to have them replace all the shocks with Bilstein Shocks and put airbags on all four corners. It was ok after that but didn't have the use of it for 6-7 weeks. Found out after it got sold, that the V10 Ford engine had trouble with blowing out the spark plugs. Never bought another new RV.

[@williamfrancis6993]

For Shame on Fleetwood. What they have done is criminal! Fleetwood needs to be held accountable for this outrageous behavior! Go get em Liz.

[@brittabrand6645]

Unbelievable!! They deserve a buyback!!

[@happycamper1372]

There are still so many buyers that don’t even realize the problems with rv’s. I recently directed another KZbinrs that is documenting her cancer journey to Liz’s channel. She has an older camper she was looking to replace with a new one, but had no idea these major quality issues were going on.

[@grooveyman]

Watching from Australia. Appreciate this channel. Hope that supporting the channel will somehow contribute to a fair outcome for those experiencing terrible treatment in the USA RV industry. It appears that there must be legislation introduced to protect buyers from being mistreated and ripped off. Hope that this family gets a buyback or a brand new RV (with no issues, of course).

[@barbaradecker2205]

I have a 2022 Holiday Rambler Vacationer. A REV product. I also have the dash moving up and down but not as noticeable as this one. Since I had bought it in Aug 2021 I have been finding bolts and washers on my driver's side floor. I never knew where they came from until the dash started moving. Mostly over rough roads. I also had the engine light come on a year ago. It turned out to be the number three cylinder. My search showed there is a known problem with the cylinders misfiring in this engine model. I was fortunate enough for Ford roadside assistance to tow it 100 miles to the nearest Ford shop that serves ices RVs for free. But as for the dash, I have no idea how that will get fixed. Especially now after seeing this couple's problem not being fixed. I understand them not wanting to take it to the manufacturer because they will just bandaid it.

[@kathykeene2092]

Oh my gosh…..that’s horrible.

[@FrenchEros]

Few years ago, I was interested in buying a new American Eagle. I was in contact with a big cheese of the company because I wanted to make few modifications. He agreed to them. During that time, I started to follow a couple on KZbin who owned one. They were having a lot of problems with theirs. I ask the REV big cheese to comment and he never replied back even after many attempts. I decided that I couldn't trust them and would never do business with them. Thank you for your great work Liz.

[@backtoasimplelife]

You were wise to find and follow that couple. They probably saved you from making a costly mistake. All prospective buyers should be adding this to their deep dive research. If no one is buying due to a bad reputation, this would force manufacturers to change or go out of business, would it not?

[@rgamore]

Where is the rest of this story?

[@lyfandeth]

"They covered something up". 1-That's criminal fraud. 2- That's nonconforming goods under the UCC. I'd give them the choice: buy it back, or I go file criminal fraud charges. Offer good until end of business day.

[@tennesseeterri]

great idea, and some of the other unhappy buyers would probably join up in a group lawsuit

[@theodorependers1369]

buy back and do this quickly people are suffering this should never been happened >>>> no repairs buy back period nothing else and that's why you atre coming Liz thanks for sharing this help this nice family

[@edwardantrobusjr2253]

My thoughts are, the lady said it wasn't even exactly what they ordered. Between that and the cover-ups, they should sue for fraud. And make a lot of noise about it. No NDA. 😢

[@diamondharp]

@@edwardantrobusjr2253 law suits take years to settle out! These people need a resolution now. Fleetwood needs to do the right thing. They created this mess and they know it!

[@javierherrera2889]

Great job. Expose the companies that do not take care of their customers. Shame on you FLEETWOOD.

[@MarkSDCA]

Inspecting a unit is mearly a feel good temp solution. Quality is designed in, not inspected in. W, Edmund Deming taught this years, many years ago.

[@kengroves49]

Thanks for bringing this to everybody's attention really appreciate your videos Liz

[@keevs5adventures]

100% deserve a buy back! Dang it we just went through Frame Disaster with Grand Design and bought a new Fleetwood. Please tell me this isn’t the same dog and pony show! 😮

[@sjbutram]

We encountered the same issues with our 2016 Fleetwood 35 SK after we traversed I 65 south of Louisville. First the drivers side dash started to move up and down then the Passengers side wall separated from the cockpit platform.We could see daylight between the wall and the platform. I figured out they Used 5- #12 sheet metal screws to hold the wall to the platform.I was able to remove the trim and jack the side back up and get it secured back to the platform. Had the same issue with the slides on our first trip out . I have tracked it down to they used undersized wire to power the slides. there was no access to the slide controller. Had to make an access hole under the bed to get into the controllers. I hold my Breath every Time I hit the slide switches hoping that they will go out or retract. Contacted Fleetwood and got the same old answer. We can repair it at your cost at our facility in Decatur Six months from now. I will not be looking at anything built by the REV group in the future If it was my 2024 I would be asking for a BUY BACK

[@PatriciaCentralFlorida]

How heartbreaking I’m surprised that Fleetwood did not take this piece of junk back.

[@carlschroeder6811]

I have been in the market for a new RV and was looking at the Fleetwood, thank you so much for this video, I will be taking my money elsewhere, thank you again for saving me from the heartache that you two have been through!

[@johnstangel8918]

Hi Liz. As usual, this is another great video. I feel bad for these people, but they didn't do their homework and get an inspector. I hope they get some satisfaction from Fleetwood. Did you get a new motorhome it looks nice from the video.

[@Brad11451]

"Our third R V " no checking with that statement... love our boogie van 83' F-100 ..1 kid.. uumm ..tent ..👍

[@JamesB-m8f]

With the amount of water damage that has occurred (who knows how much hidden damage there is such as mold, deteriorated wood, electrical etc...), the amount of apparent structural issues, Fleetwood needs to step up and buy this unit back. We as RV'ers have to hold these manufactures accountable for the products they are producing. If the manufactures would actually perform a proper and detailed post inspection on these units as they are "completed" so many items would have the opportunity to be caught and repaired before a consumer spends their hard earned money and having to go thru this process. I previously did these type of post inspections on high end units when they where completed and I can tell you it was time well spent. It gave the company an opportunity to make these needed repairs and also drastically helped with different departments (it helped them have a better understanding on what was lacking and how to improve upon it) and make the needed changes. There is a plethora of ways these manufactures can improve this process. Most will not, unless we hold their feet to the fire.

[@41gdr]

Thank you for these videos. I have been on the fence about buying a RV and now I see it is not worth it. I agree with one commenter that all vehicles have some type of issue, but not to the extent that safety is in question. This individual had to do a lot of work himself to get this thing running. If you bought a brand new house then discovered that the walls were separating or the roof leaked or the electrical was shot; you would be beyond upset.

[@bobbypaluga4346]

These folks need to get a new RV, who wants the mess they were sold? Flood damage ruins any RV, you can never fix all the damage or remove the mildew. Liz you are incredible

[@LizAmazing]

Thanks for being here, Bobby!

[@angie-xy5sf]

no they need 15 person van. sleep in hotel.

[@angie-xy5sf]

yes she is

[@cnotek1]

Never seen this channel before so I’m the first time viewer. This guy is giving all the signs he’s not being honest. I don’t know what to say or what happened but I will remind you expensive toys are just that expensive! He keeps saying he’s a mechanic, but he continues to use the Vehicle. Not only that he sees separation - shaking and so on lol risking his family in something like that? Like I said, there’s some red flags. 11:37

[@brucemitchell5637]

These manufacturers seem absolutely oblivious to customer satisfaction and repeat sales! Not a winning business model! Thank you for your determination to hold these manufacturers accountable to their responsibilities!

[@LizAmazing]

I know it. They can't possibly stay in business if this keeps up. You'll want to see next week's video for sure, see you then!

[@billwatts5681]

Wow! Shocked at Fleetwood! I had a Fleetwood class A in the late 90 early 2000s and the customer service was outstanding. They called me and recalled my RV to replace a “soft” flooring issue. While it was at the plant, they put in new carpet and flooring throughout the entire RV, replaced my step that was bent and put in a new cabinet next to the drivers station. I am in the market for another class A and was thinking only Fleetwood. Just looked at one yesterday. However this report will definitely make me slow down and do more research. Thanks for your reporting.

[@Retired-Sanitation-Worker]

Love your channel Liz. I used to dream of buying a RV but after watching all of the problems they have I may stick to renting one.

[@LizAmazing]

I'm going to be talking about solutions to the RV nightmares next week, see you then, and thanks for watching.

[@braddobson2060]

I don't know about your problem but mum is BEAUTIFUL

[@jefflee7248]

Need to a Liz Army to go to RV shows and counter manufacturers claims.

[@c7adventures376]

💥 first time viewer. ❓❓ do you notice that the problems are more now that you cant get the powerhorse with the big 8100 Vortec engine.??? We have the 08 Terra and it has been a good rv. The only time we had trouble it was our fault and we got great help from customer service. I had put the jacks out to far and needed to learn how to reset. Its pretty easy once you know the steps. Hit. Stretch your fingers first. Got to push lots of buttons at the same time. 😂🤠

[@tyman2007]

I wouldn't buy or recommend Fleetwood products.Dont fall for their fancy booths and advertising at rv shows .Thanks for the video.

[@DAVIDDASARO-le6bt]

Thanks liz....saving one customer at a time from being victimized by these companies.

[@RandomStuffWithBill]

I HOPE for the best for this family, I know if it were me I would lose sleep at night about the costs and headaches this has caused.

[@LizAmazing]

Indeed. They have been through a rough time for sure. Thank you for your support!

[@connierackel3639]

I think the company should buy back. I don't know that I could trust them to give me a new one. Unbelievable! Thank you Liz. For what you do.

[@harryharrington3139]

Fleetwood should buy it back

[@LizAmazing]

I agree. Please share this video to help increase the pressure on Fleetwood. Thanks for watching, Harry.

[@ralphp3057]

Wow! 200 k pile of junk ! They should definitely get a buy back ! What a sad time for many people getting ripped off! Thanks for your efforts Liz .😁

[@cheryloslin2211]

We went through the same thing with a brand new RV. We didn't get two miles down the road before we turned around and took it right back to them. We fought for 7 1/2 months to get it fixed. Months of work on it never fixed the problems. We missed out on our vacation because it was in the shop. Eventually the manufacturer agreed to give our money back but we had to sign papers saying we would not talk to anyone about the problem or they would sue us for slander.

[@CindyinArizona]

I believe it's only slander if false accusations are made....not if you're stating facts.

[@kathykeene2092]

WOW! Having a gag order sounds illegal, because it sounds like blackmail.

[@charliewatts6895]

@@kathykeene2092 It seems to be standard operating procedure in the RV trade. Unfortunately it's legal and binding. The RV industry is about where the American and Canadian car industry was in the 1970s. What's needed is a Lee Iacocca to come in, maybe the South Koreans or Japanese, and shake up the industry - give people quality products and they will come back.

[@cheryloslin2211]

@CindyinArizona that is true, but we had to sign papers saying we would not say anything about the problems with the RV in order to get our money back.

[@EricFDrums]

I literally have given up on ever wanting to own an RV from your vids....I'll just rent when we want one. These scenarios are insane....

[@thegenxgamerr]

If in fact they did cover up bad work on this rig that could be criminal negligence. Particularly when the dashboard shakes to the point that it shut off the generator (3:50). Depending on the systems connected to that generator that could have resulted in a serious accident or shut down of necessary power to maintain control of the vehicle. I am hopeful that you get relief from this manufacture, if they were smart they would refund your money ASAP. "cover up" is a very pointed term, and I am not critiquing anyone here but again, that borders on criminal negligence. Good luck.

[@LizAmazing]

Thank you so much for your support, I will definitely keep you update.

[@patk7942]

I enjoy your video's they are very helpful. You are well spoken and knowledgeable. It seems to me that there is a need for more accountability in the RV industry regardless of the price a person spends. Some of these RV companies need to be ashamed of themselves. It's almost like they are being slumlords. It makes me think that they should be made to stay in the defective RV and then they would really come to an understanding of what their customers are going through. Hopefully the RV industry will get held accountable for inferior work. They truly need better regulations and accountable. Thanks again Liz for what you do to help.

[@jefferyrizer3041]

I did a tremendous amount of research before I purchased my Class A two years ago. I ended up spending $125k on a 2003 Country Coach with stainless steel sides like a Prevost. Was a lot, but the best decision I’ve ever made. We haven’t had any problems with this 36’ two slide coach over the last two years and 38k miles of travel. Cherry cabinets, Corian countertops, leather interior, heated tile floors and all of top quality. I wouldn’t touch a new Class A or any RV for that matter.

[@LizAmazing]

Thank you for sharing this, Jeffrey. That Country Coach is awesome, I bet! I've toured several and I love them.

[@angelaklinger2951]

I have been full timing for 18 years and I have people come up to me when we are traveling and ask me about RVs. They said they just started looking and they had questions to ask me. I grab a piece of paper and tell him to go to Liz Amazing KZbin videos And binge watch!

[@robertroth287]

I thought REV group had more class......but I was wrong. This should be a buy back and NOT a repair.

[@littlecle]

Wow, I looked at this brand last month, inspection is a must. Now I have doubts, will continue to watch, thanks for the heads up.

[@theresajoyce7589]

Heartbreaking is not the proper word. This is finance/lifestyle breaking. That rig is dangerous; it shouldn’t be on the road. I hope the company wakes up and meets the deal they want before something truly terrible happens.

[@LizAmazing]

Yes, Theresa. Thanks so much for your wise words!

[@sigsauer3719]

Great story Liz. Love the RV Misery stories…

[@paigeanstead2089]

Wow, this is horrible for these folks. Nothing less than a buyback would be acceptable to me. I certainly will never buy a Fleetwood if this is how they treat their customers.

[@LizAmazing]

I know, what a nightmare. Please share this video to increase the pressure on Fleetwood. Thanks for watching, Paige.

[@raymondviles3563]

Buy back, I'm fighting on ours, nightmare

[@paigeanstead2089]

@@raymondviles3563 Oh no, so sorry.

[@DexKoontz]

@Liz Amazing -- Two very reasonable options offered by the customers. I am sharing this to all of my friends and family and acquaintances who are approaching retirement and considering RV'ing. My circle of folks have worked, made money, and invested wisely and entering the "freedom" time of life. They will see this and know they will not flush their savings down the toilet with crooks whose only goal is to take people's money and give them garbage in return. Now, out to all my platforms with this I go. Thank you Liz!!

[@bounderchris]

I love fleetwoods as you can see by my handle but I had to laugh at the dash bouncing fleetwoods have been doing that for over 20 years and they haven’t done much about it… we have had to go in and strengthen the front mounts from the frame to the box ourselves.. other than that they are built pretty well or at least they were in the sweet spot around 02-08

[@thewiseguy3529]

My dash doesn't do that. My RV is 30 years old I have videos on my page go take a look

[@bounderchris]

@ yes in that era they were good, it started around 2002

[@thaycollis]

Our 2022 Flair has been a damn good unit. Sure it needed suspension upgrades but it made it a different RV. 9200 miles and many long distance trips. Longest one coming up next month.

[@mandlclark]

@REV needs to replace this unit. Keep putting the builders on notice Liz and thanks for all you do!

[@2packs4sure]

To my mind anytime you see small little self tapping sheet metal screws used in a machine that's gonna be vibrating and bouncing down the road for years to come you're looking at extremely poor quality...

[@BACVN69]

Wow! I always thought Fleetwood was a repeatable company. I will make sure my upgrade is not going to be with them. Thanks for informing the community of the problems that Fleetwood is having.

[@thewiseguy3529]

25 years ago they were. Fleetwood products are trash now.

[@markshelhart8338]

While rv sales are down, motorized sector are way down because stories like these are now being spread thanks to people like Liz and social media. Unfortunately this puts even more pressure on some manufacturers to put lipstick on defective units and get them out the door; something has to give here and force these makers to be accountable for doing this; buybacks are great but they almost always come with NDAs. A few succesful lawsuits with some punitive damages is what's needed to hit the makers in the only place they care about, the bottom line.

[@sherri9300]

Buy it back ! Thanks Liz for your help.

[@mylesflaig148]

Those self tapping, light weight screws are just one level up from securing the parts with duct tape.

[@drn13355]

That is the point. The bean counters run the numbers on all this. They have determined making the product as cheap as humanly possible will make them more money than making a high quality vehicle. Also make the "warranty" almost useless as it is also to do the least work possible until it expires. This stuff doesn't just happen. It is a business decision.

[@truckguy6.7]

We did a factory tour in Oregon. The speed and carelessness witnessed by factory workers going crazy with self tappers was shocking. Over the years I have witnessed those screws go through, floors, waterlines, electrical wire, into modules, even one gas line and one right through the top of a roof. There is NO pride in craftsmanship. Usually made in the USA means well built, with the exception of 80% of the RV's. There are good ones though! You just have to so careful.

[@MOSHTUBE1]

Im sorry this family have to go through this unsafe nightmare. One more update not to buy an Rv. Thanks Liz.

[@plentymangoes1231]

Such an awful experience for them. I am glad the unit didn't fall completely apart while driving down the road at high speeds. I hope they get the resolution they seek.

[@LizAmazing]

Yes. Thank you for this. Feel free to share this video to grow its reach. Thanks for watching.

[@kathykeene2092]

Exactly! Fleetwood should be counting their blessings that no one was hurt. And by-the-way, check out HH Catamaran latest video. “Gone with the Wynns”, youtubers who chronicle their sailing adventures, just bought a VERY EXPENSIVE, hybrid catamaran. Their cat had horrible problems. Watch their video from the HH CATAMARAN owners on how they are going to take care of the sailboat. THEY ARE UPSTANDING BUSINESS OWNERS. Come on Fleetwood, WHERE IS YOUR INTEGRITY? WHERE IS YOUR QUALITY ASSURANCE, OR IS IT NONEXISTENT?