Flight Review -- E-Flite V-22 Osprey VTOL (487mm)

[@user-td1zo3tv9p]

How incredible to have these kinds of RC Models today! I haven't flown for better than 20 years and still have my old radios and aircraft plus a slew of (some) new glow powered engines in the box but I'd have NEVER guessed that the hobby would come this far! Heck, even the electric powered airplanes of my day were archaic by comparison and had nowhere NEAR the endurance or capacity of today's technology. In a word: INCONCEIVABLE!! Thanks for the video. Overnout

[@Thercgeek]

Thanks for watching! I'm in complete agreement. I never would have thought we'd see something like this at the pricepoint it's offered. So cool!

[@Springtrap-m1d]

How do I get one?

[@ChickenHawk841]

I picked up a used V-22 in good condition a few months ago, I primarily fly RC helicopters and thought the V-22 would be something a "little different" to have fun with. I had it in the air for the first time yesterday flying in hover mode, and once I adjusted nacelles this thing is FUN!

[@Thercgeek]

Very cool!

[@JeffsCustomRC]

Great job Chris and ver informative as usual, I really enjoy all of your videos and learn from them every time I watch, thank you. 👍🏼👊🏼

[@Thercgeek]

Thanks man, I really appreciate you watching!

[@fromthebackofmymind]

Really awesome RC. Saw the full size when A VIP was visiting the Louis Vittone factory. Flew right over my house!

[@Thercgeek]

Very cool!! They operate these out at MCAS Miramar, so they fly over fairly regularly.

[@jamesm568]

Great little park flyer. That third fan is what makes it stable.

[@Thercgeek]

Yup, in the hover, that's for sure. In forward flight, the third fan isn't operating as it just simply flies by ailerons/elevators in that mode.

[@dwproductions5172]

Great video as always. This looks like a great flying little model. Now, there are a lot of good new EDF jets that need your reviews (Eflite F-4 and F-16) among others.

[@Thercgeek]

Thanks man! I have both of those and am working on reviews for them. My next review will be the F-16 actually and the F-4 will be maidened tomorrow.

[@dwproductions5172]

@@Thercgeek great to hear. Make sure you film a ton of high alpha flying with that amazing F-16.

[@satyanpatel6403]

Thank you for a super in depth review. Thank you for explaining in great detail as well.

[@Thercgeek]

Thanks so much for watching!

[@andycap8469]

Do you have to use the Spectrum Transmitter? I'd like to use my DJI Digital Transmitter with this for FPV

[@Thercgeek]

Yes, I’m using spektrum. I’m not certain that the dji would work with this.

[@dougbradley7846]

Need be spectrum

[@Yota_Freak]

Just found your channel. Love it already. I'm in San Diego and have to ask. Is that field on base? Looks like east side of th 15 south of the reserve base.

[@Thercgeek]

Thank you! Yeah, the field is on the base and requires a military sponsor to get out there. Their website is miramarrcflyers.com

[@matk4731]

This looks awesome definitely on my list. I’ve been luck enough to have these (1:1) buzz my house 😁 Last year I had the pleasure of unloading them off the ship and watching them prep & take off from a couple of hundred feet away when the US Marines came to Darwin for their annual rotation. Great bunch of guys & gals.

[@Thercgeek]

Very cool! I see these flying around town pretty regularly. They have a really unique sound in the air. Thanks for watching man!

[@msj143]

Great video and article!! Thank you so much for your review. Well done. Best regards...

[@Thercgeek]

I'm so glad it's helpful! Thanks so much for watching!

[@pappybo49]

Thanks for sharing your video. That’s some really great technology.

[@Thercgeek]

Thanks so much for watching! :)

[@RCengineJoe]

Can a Spektrum Dx6i be used for this aircraft? This radio does not have a 3 position switch but I saw other videos where it can be setup for X-Vert VTOL using two, 2 position switches and MIX.

[@Thercgeek]

I think that should work. The instructions show the dx6 as one of the compatible transmitters.

[@aerospacematt9147]

Can’t wait for E-Flite to design a STOVL F-35B!

[@Thercgeek]

Oh yeah, that would be sweet!

[@Schaumwaffelflieger9]

Thanks for the review. I got some issues with mine (biggest one is aileron movement during transition which will make the V-22 role and crash). One big issue is CG. With a 3S 800 there is not chance to geht proper CG. I need a 3S 1300 (!!!) to get recommended CG.

[@Thercgeek]

I can't say that was the experience I had with this one. CG with the battery all the way forward seemed to work out perfectly. As long as you've got it in the right place, you should be good to go with the 1300 and you'll get a nice boost in flight time too.

[@Schaumwaffelflieger9]

@@Thercgeek Thx for feedback. But may I mention that in your video here ... kzbin.info/www/bejne/r3KZk5-gfphmqMk at 0:13 I can see that the ailerons (at least the right one) are deflected. Same at 0:21. I thought in the copter mode the ailerons are always neutral. I really hesitate to start with this issue as I hear and read so much about crashed V-22 all with the same issue (rolling on the back during transition). And it is possible that flight time in copter mode only is extremely short (about 2:30 with 3S 800)?

[@YeetLord666]

@@Schaumwaffelflieger9 Same thing happened to my buddy on his maiden. He was hovering and decided to go into forward flight and it rolled hard and dove into the ground. Eflite told him it was a bad board, but they didn't offer to replace it, and they're sold out anyway. He's been waiting for a long time to replace the board.

[@randyherbrechtsmeier4796]

Wow! That's a Cool Toy!!!! Nice to see a Toy video. Make me wants one!!!!!

[@markbowman7613]

Hey Chris, I have over a dozen Heli's, Planes, Quads and a few Convergence VTOL's and I know how to set up Dual Rates on all of them fine except for this Eflite V-22 Osprey. Their is no documentation I can find other than the value table in the manual (100% / 70%) and my problem is I can't get any Dual Rate Changes in either Forward flight mode Stability or Acro. Why is that - what Dual Rate changes should be observed.

[@Thercgeek]

The rates are a little quirky on this one. If I remember right, it doesn’t actually change the max deflection but rather the relationship between the point at which the max rate occurs to the stick position. I make reference to that in the vid I think, but at 100% the max deflection will occur at an earlier stick position than the 70%. So maybe check if that’s occurring between the two. The 100% and 70% actually do work really well.

[@markbowman7613]

Update, I found your post on Flight Controls on the V-22 Osprey (Flight Review -- E-Flite V-22 Osprey VTOL (487mm), and you state the control surface travel distance does Not vary when Dual Rates are applied, but just the speed of the surface control changes (slower for 70% vs 100%). Is the speed change perceptible? I don't see any difference, or is it just something you feel when flying it?? Thanks

[@cat22planes]

Two questions Chris, 1: Approximate flight time in the two modes? 2: I have 1k and 1.2k packs. Have you tried any heavier packs than recommended? Thanks you for the review.

[@Thercgeek]

I've only flown it with the 850mah packs and it gives me 4-5 minutes. It's much more efficient in aircraft mode than hover mode, so I could probably extend that, but haven't really played with the flight time that much otherwise. So long as the CG works out, the larger capacities should work fine, though it will be heavier which could workout to be a wash in the hover mode based on the additional thrust required to carry the additional weight. If you've got the packs already, might as well give them a go!

[@fiacost3343]

I just bought this model and your review really help! Many thanks for posting it.....

[@Thercgeek]

I'm so glad it was helpful for you, thanks for watching! :)

[@olivierjaminet9844]

hello . can i have ur advice about this rc plane ?

[@RuudyL]

Very nice detailed review. I have the Vtol wing which fly's basically the same, but this one would be fun to have except I think its to expensive. I comparison my Carbon Cub S+ with GPS is 219euro V-22 Osprey 270euro so not for me at the moment. Wont be surprised if Banggood will come with a copy for around the $120 mark

[@Thercgeek]

Thanks! I understand regarding the price. At 270 euro, that's quite a bit more expensive than here in the states. It's about $230 USD here.

[@RuudyL]

In $ it would be about 280 that's at Horizon Hobby Germany. Could get it from the States but then shipping will be about$60 and maybe have to pay customs, you just cannot win

[@Thercgeek]

Yeah, that's tough. :(

[@DustOffUH1]

Great review! Very informative. I was skeptical that this could be done with a RC Model, but E-Flite did it! Very, very cool!

[@Thercgeek]

E-flite has done a great job simplifying this otherwise complex aircraft. Thanks for watching! :)

[@whoknows8678]

@2:35 it's actually vectored thrust with yaw that allows you to steer it since the nacelles move fore/aft and change the direction (vector) of thrust. Roll is accomplished by differential thrust achieved through dissymmetry of lift around the longitudinal axis by varying the front motor speeds. You're an aero engineer, right? :)

[@Thercgeek]

You're right, I miss stated that. I was thinking nacelles forward for some reason when I made that statement which is asymmetric thrust for yaw.

[@whoknows8678]

@@Thercgeek Actually, nacelles forward (elevator input) wouldn't be asymmetric thrust, either. The thrust from each motor remains the same. The DIRECTION of the thrust vector(s) is what changes. Opposite nacelle rotation for yaw or both nacelles forward the same amount for elevator control would be differential thrust. Asymmetric thrust would cause the model to roll as if it were aileron input.

[@Thercgeek]

Correct for the hover configuration. In my comment I was actually talking about the forward flight configuration with nacelles all the way forward, not the hover configuration with a forward elevator input. When in the forward flight configuration, the rotors are throttled deferentially to yaw the airplane while the ailerons act to roll the airplane. So a yaw input results in the inside rotor reducing speed and the outside rotor increasing speed (depending on throttle position) to create an asymmetric/differential thrust which then yaws the nose.

[@whoknows8678]

@@Thercgeek Ah, okay. I thought you meant in hover mode since that's what we'd been talking about, to include what you said in the video that started this thread. LOL

[@antonycaddick2131]

my friend at the field had a eflite convergence and it proved to be problematic, flipping into safe mode without warning,never took off the same way twice in the hover,and almost flipping, and other things, until eventually it was write off when a motor quit in the hover and it nose dived into the ground,which was probably a good thing as it stopped the pain and the suffering that he endured whilst messing about with it,,the thing is,it looks like the same kind of technology setup, im wondering if it will have the same niggles as the convergence,

[@Thercgeek]

The only issue I had was related to the clocking of the nacelles. The Osprey has otherwise been quite reliable. I've never flown the convergence, so can't really provide a comparison otherwise.

[@RCHeliJet]

It looks very nice but it is to small for me.

[@Thercgeek]

I hear you. The rotormast one is the ultimate V-22. I'd love to get my hands on one of those.

[@whoknows8678]

Aww, come on, who doesn't like a pocket sized V-22 that you can hover around in the house? LOL

[@airbus7379]

Who Knows lol

[@properorientation]

As a guy in the city this is perfect size for me. Saw it at the hobby shop today and fell in love. Just wanna see you fly this thang before i buy one

[@Georgewrigley]

Great looking plane and great review. Cheers :)

[@Thercgeek]

Thank you and thanks so much for watching! :)

[@hochspannunglebensgefahr5339]

Very great review

[@Thercgeek]

Thank you!

[@CaptainJohn]

What charger do you use? Can’t find the right one for the E-Flight JST connector things. Thanks

[@Thercgeek]

I'm using a powerlabs duo charger (kzbin.info/www/bejne/h2m4hYJjqpmfaNE). In this case, it's not so much about the charger but rather the charge lead. Most chargers will adapt to any lead that you make. So, my recommendation would be to get a charger that has interchangeable charge leads vs just a dedicated jst type charger. The spektrum smart chargers aren't a bad way to go for something like that. They're not high power, but you don't need a high power charger for the smaller capacity and cell count packs.

[@whoknows8678]

Chris, is yours still flying well? I've been through three of these POSs. Thank heavens for Amazon's return policy, no questions asked, so I didn't even have to call the yahoos at Horizon and have to fight over something as stupid as getting them to email me a pre-paid return shipping label. I really, really want one of these that works and I'm wondering if they're ready for prime time yet. I guess I could just order another one from Amazon and, if it crashes itself (again), I'll just throw the foam shit back in the box and return it like before. Easy peasy. LOL

[@Thercgeek]

Yeah, it's still going strong. I haven't flown it in a while, but I've not really had any issues with it since I've had it. Only had one weird transition on the first flight, but that sorted out when I re-clocked the nacelles to ensure they were the same.

[@whoknows8678]

@@Thercgeek Cool. I just ordered a fourth one, so maybe that will be the magic one for me. If not, back to Amazon for an easy return. LOL

[@Thercgeek]

I hope this one works out! It's a fun little bird to fly.

[@whoknows8678]

@@Thercgeek I know. The first one I had was super stable and locked on in multi-rotor mode. I loved flying it inside and having a lot of tiled area made it fun with rolling takeoffs and landings. But, the very first time I took it to the field and hit that transition switch to airplane ACRO mode after letting it settle down in airplane stability mode...no bueno... I was in a mild turn at about 3/4 throttle with plenty of power and airspeed on the model. Nothing crazy at all and it just up and decided to make an immediate 90 degree turn straight into the ground. It was like it got smacked out of the air. The second one had an issue with the rear motor spooling up uncommanded on the ground. If I didn't hit throttle cut, it would have flipped nose over. That's an insta-crash in flight. The third one had the elevator waving at me. No matter what I did (new model memory, re-binding, etc) would stop the elevator from slowly going full up to full down over and over again. I didn't even try to hover that one before sending it back. I really wish Horizon would get their shit in one sock with this model because they'd sell even zillions more. It could be an all time best seller for them. After all, who doesn't want a cute little foam V-22 that only costs a couple hundred bucks? LOL

[@Thercgeek]

That's pretty crazy. Let's hope this one is it!!

[@airbus7379]

Looks cool i would definitely buy if they made a bigger one

[@Thercgeek]

I would love a bigger one too!

[@MrAzahills]

Wow thats cool!!

[@bulletproofpepper2]

thanks for sharing!

[@rsc7589]

Can you set it to acro mode during multi-rotor flight for flips and rolls like a multi-rotor?

[@Thercgeek]

No, not that's not something that's available that I'm aware of.

[@Doc02864]

Can you add a 4k camera? Would be nice to fly it FPV.

[@Thercgeek]

As long as it’s not too heavy, seems like a feasible mod. It’s a small model, so that has to be taken into account.

[@PANABA453]

you recommend laminating this plane or parts of it ?

[@Thercgeek]

I'm not sure what you mean by laminating the airplane?

[@wntu4]

I see this comes in PNP and BNG versions. I understand what the letters stand for but can someone explain the practical differences please?

[@Thercgeek]

From what I understand, it really requires the spektrum brick, so I think the best bet is the Bind n Fly version.

[@rsc7589]

PNP = No receiver or transmitter included. You can use your own brand. It will not have the AS3X or SAFE features. BNF = DSM-X receiver included, but still needs to be bound to a Spektrum transmitter. It will have AS3X and SAFE because of the built-in receiver.

[@lanceroark6386]

8:27 is that the brig in the background?

[@Thercgeek]

Haha, it’s a reserve center.

[@lanceroark6386]

@@Thercgeek copy

[@bepowerification]

I watched Discover RC flying these things the other day and they broke reaaaaaaally fast.

[@Thercgeek]

Yeah, I saw that. Hard to know what happened as you don't see any of the crashes in the video.

[@falconwings]

Its a great model but it will bite you. That tiny wing stalls easily, so you have to be careful not to pull too many Gs. It is actually easier to fly in hover mode. Lots of fun though!

[@kenjackson5938]

Ok this looks to be the best plane if you do not have a big take off area.

[@Andrew-nj1jt]

Do you need a screen on your controller for this?

[@Thercgeek]

Most transmitters have a screen for programming. Is that what you’re asking about?

[@Bill-NM]

What kind of flight controller is inside?

[@Thercgeek]

This has its own controller in it that includes gyro stabilization in all 3 axes.

[@Shadowz9ine]

Where can I get this model (UK England)

[@Thercgeek]

It’s unfortunately long out of production.

[@theeuda]

Every marine I know hates that death box.

[@domandotcom1696]

Why did they have to make this discontinued?

[@Thercgeek]

Right?! Was a really cool little bugger!

[@EdmundiumHitting]

Is it discontinued?

[@Thercgeek]

Unfortunately, it is

[@EdmundiumHitting]

@@Thercgeek aw man, this was looking amazing

[@tsunamilife5380]

Is there an rtf version

[@Thercgeek]

Unfortunately, there's not a version of this that includes a radio. Best bet is to pick up a Dx6 or Dx8 (bit.ly/2HNyZvT) if you don't already have one. A good quality transmitter is one of the best investments you can make if you plan to do any kind of flying.

[@companyvaeco6572]

I wish I had one

[@randomlymadeanimations52]

Nice p- *sees the propellers too small and the 3rd engine in the back* 😶 BLEH💥

[@ErronKebabb]

+1 !!

[@brianclintone308]

Looks good but hardly a miniature V-22. Keep trying E-Flite.

[@mkatiam546554]

Il coûte combien le v-22

[@ranauvalgaming8493]

Beli di mana bang?

[@Thercgeek]

Unfortunately this has been discontinued for a while. 😕

[@JohnDoe-ir8te]

You look like jack from the Apollo 13 mission

[@Thercgeek]

That's a first, haha!

[@fadel_fdl_]

Weirdest RC Aircraft Ever I See Edit : But I Like It

[@madhouse740]

OK OK will you sell it to me now?

[@Thercgeek]

haha, not quite yet. :p

[@Geneva_suggestions]

Ugh it's discontinued 😢

[@Thercgeek]

Unfortunately so. This one didn’t seem to last very long unfortunately. It’s a neat little model.

[@Geneva_suggestions]

@@Thercgeek D:

[@GenBumbleBee]

airhogs has made 3 true RC VTOLs. this isnt a "true" VTOL cuz theres a motor in the back.

[@Thercgeek]

This is indeed a true VTOL the same as the full size. VTOL actually has nothing to do with the configuration, it just simply means Vertical Takeoff or Landing.

[@JeffreyScottJr]

Become the best US pilot.

[@tafana]

Has anyone told you you look like Viggo Mortensen before?

[@Thercgeek]

I can honestly say, that’s a first. 🤣. I’ve been told I look like Tony Hawk a number of times.

[@daveroche4527]

I bet its difficult to fly I know the real ones crash a lot.

[@Thercgeek]

Actually, this flies pretty darn well. E-Flite's done a good job at making it a simple flyer.

[@daveroche4527]

@@Thercgeek Oh that"s good to know thanks

[@dougbradley7846]

It's a truck

[@Anto_G59]

600th like noobs

[@vap0rw1se]

100th comment. noice.

[@Thercgeek]

Awww yeah! 😁😎