Emergency procedures over Silicon Valley - VFR Flight Review - Cessna 172S - NorCal - ATC Audio

[@ik04]

I started my aviation career at Reid-Hillview (RHV) airport in San Jose. used to give friends rides over the whole bay area and flew through the airspace of San Jose (SJC), Moffett Field (NUQ), Palo Alto (PAO), San Carlos (SQL), San Francisco Intl (SFO), Crissy Field (Now closed), Alameda NAS (Closed), Oakland (OAK), Hayward (HWD), Fremont (closed) and back to RHV. It was about an hour flight and a great radio communications workout!

[@steveo1kinevo]

Awesome video and Jason is one of the coolest guys I met at Oshkosh. Wish we could of hung out more.

[@TheFinerPoints]

Thanks Steveo! me too ... I'm sure there will be many more :)

[@mortekaieve4729]

This is a really good thought exercise, I'm currently in flight training, but fly out of an area with vast amounts of farmland under our practice areas, the biggest thing we might run into is a power line, but those are so large that you can see them from very high altitude, most smaller lines are underground because of our winter climate. It would be almost impossible to pick a bad place to land, but we still pick spots and stick with them for the training. I have spoken with my CFI about emergency procedures over heavily populated areas, but it's hard to imagine until you can see it. My first thought was always trying to find an empty road of some sort. One of the first times I verbally ran through this I remember telling my instructor that if it happened during rush hour I would be in an extremely rough spot, and he basically agreed. If you don't have enough altitude or pick a spot with no other safe options nearby and realize you couldn't see obstacles on the ground that could kill you if you went in to land it would be a wild situation. I didn't know about those beach goers who got hit by the Piper. Hearing about people on the ground dying or getting severely injured because of emergency landings is a huge eye-opener. I'd certainly want to avoid that at all costs. I do remember one crash debrief I watched, it's a fairly popular one where the pilot told ATC to tell his family he loved them before his emergency landing, and there were a ton of great fields below, but difficult to see power lines caught him right before the field he chose and he ended up dying.

[@lvsluggo007]

Holy crap.... I noticed you were flying out of San Carlos airport... Back in the late 50s, when my family lived in San Francisco, my father co-owned a 1948 65hp Luscombe 8A, that was kept at San Carlos. If you ever saw this plane back then, you'd NEVER forget it... Black and Pink... I can't count the number of times I rode with him, and even though this was a 2 seat a/c, we'd pack him, my mother and I, where I'd ride on her lap with a seat belt extender, being that I was only 8-9 years old at the time.. Boy does this view of that airport bring back memories.. BTW: LOVE your videos even though I never managed to get my PPL, despite several attempts back in the 70s-80s...

[@nicholaskida]

Still an awesome video. I watched this when you post it years ago, finally in flight training now and it really makes you think. I can call out checklist items, but to actually go through the motions of pulling the fire extinguisher and removing headsets is another level. Some of the things you don't think about that can really become distracting in an actual emergency. Thanks for that!

[@FlightChops]

Appreciated! I try really hard to make evergreen content.

[@gordonfeliciano4315]

Nice video. I used to fly out of NAS Moffett Field back in the mid-80s and 90s when I was in the Navy in P-3 Orions. I used to rent aircraft from the flying club and fly all over the Bay Area. I still can't believe the old ASW base is closed now. This one brought back a lot of memories.

[@jaredslattery4584]

The channel just keeps getting better. weird to hear about that crash in Concord, I was four cars ahead of that accident on I 680. scary to see what a prop can do to a mini van, looked like a Sawzall to a soda can.

[@motorTranz]

San Carlos is a great airport. The Hiller aviation museum is there. I highly recommend it if you are in the area. This instructor is pretty cool.

[@erictaylor5462]

This video reminds me of when I was a kid, flying with my dad. We flew in weather conditions like that SO many times. I remember once flying from Concord, Ca to Auburn to get the radios worked on. It had been foggy every day for something like 32 days, just really miserable weather. Cold and wet. We took off and climbed above the fog into bright warm sunshine. A thick blanket of fog filling the entire valley all the way to the mountains. Auburn was sunny and warm and while the radios were being worked on dad took me to lunch. We sat out on the deck looking out across the valley filled with fog. We came back and got in just barely with an ILD approach, dad shooting the approach on instruments and me watching for the runway lights. Dad was just about to abort the approach when I spatted the approach lights then the runway lights. We landed and just as we cleared the runway the tower announced they were below minimums and closed the airport. It was a delightful day, but it ended with a huge tragedy. Later that night another plane, trying to land spun in after going around and crashed into the mall, killing both people in the plane and burning and killing several people on the ground.

[@bparkman]

"Standardization goes with the pilot, not the airplane." Really good point there.

[@efox2001]

Thanks for the flight over memory lane. I used to live in the bay area, back when Apple was in part of one building and the shoreline amphitheatre was out in the middle of nowhere. Good times. :)

[@JohnnyRFarmer]

I initially started this with the sound muted and I thought for a brief second that Woody Harrelson was your flight instructor. Seriously, best part of this video was when you realized that the intercom would not work when the master was off. Even the FI said, "oh Yeah!" We are teaching each other. Thanks.

[@in2flying]

Great point about the fire extinguisher !!!!

[@GSOaviator]

Hell yeah! Almost exactly a full hour of flying videos from some of the top 3 aviation channels on YT.

[@FlightChops]

Love it! Happy to share!

[@KapiChris]

GSOaviator same :D. Like Christmas and birthday.

[@MichaelVanHeemst]

GSOaviator I think it was all coordinated

[@1scottws]

What are the other channels?

[@Shwepnick]

FlightChops, Steveo1kinevo, and MrAviation101?

[@johngregory8519]

Fantastic reminder of how I need to polish some (all) of my pretty tarnished emergency procedures. Well done!

[@Cpsvids]

Steve - good to see you and Jason back in a 172 and providing inspiration to go out and practice the life saving essentials. As always a great video - Thanks

[@FlightChops]

Thanks Chris!

[@quikstop4347]

Great video! I love the urban navigation, over here in Oz we quite often navigate via Pubs (Bars for all you guys with the odd accents), as their location comes in quite handy once the working day's over. The emphasis on recurrent emergency procedures training is so important, irrespective of how often you fly. Looking forward to the IF stuff... cheers!

[@lohphat]

I did my initial PPL and IFR training in that airspace out of West Valley Flying Club at SQL and PAO. Good times!

[@goatflieg]

MAN I love it when you fly in the Bay Area... but you knew that. SQL, the Coast, fog watefalls, Bonny Doon, Moffett, PAO, all the landmarks... I know & love 'em so well. Cool that I flew out of San Carlos this summer too. BTW, congrats on the new website and partnerships! I figured you're probably too busy lately to get to my Fairchild PT-23 video. I totally understand... and I know you'll probably enjoy it when you do see it. Thanks for another great one.... more sponsorship dollars well spent!

[@FlightChops]

Thanks my friend! And I did watch your PT-23 video - I had it playing while I writing the voice over scripts for this one :)

[@jakster1952]

Super great check lst. Cloud banks are interesting always looking for a good plop down.

[@GuySamuel]

Excellent video! This really highlights that knowing procedures sometimes isn't enough - you should really feel as close as you can to the real situation. Thanks for sharing!

[@MerryfaceAviation]

Don't get me wrong, I love the new content, but it's super nice to go back to the old style of videos. I loved this one. Good job guys

[@TomF1970]

as a former resident of the bay, that was a fun view of the area. hope to fly out of san carlos one day.

[@pbbrown1963]

Good safety procedure review. Thanks.

[@barrygiblett5823]

Lots of stuff to think about, have a BFR in a couple of weeks, great video...

[@westtexasaviator6763]

Highlight of my week! Thanks for sharing...keep your flight chops sharp!

[@FlightChops]

Haha - Right on - Thanks!

[@jeremysolano8132]

I spy the t-33 Waterloo! Being a student pilot at the Waterloo Wellington flight centre seeing this aircraft is certainly a special moment everytime !

[@spartansheep915]

that was a rad video. im studying a poh to start flying a 172s and it looks like a blast.

[@Danieln2b2]

Looking forward more videos in the future! I will be starting my flight lessons in August!

[@clarencewatson6226]

Love the video. I'm a Student Pilot out of Hayward and love seeing flight videos from the Bay Area.

[@synzcity]

I've flown RC planes at Moffett field. Those wind tunnels are huge! Great vid!

[@goatflieg]

I've been a test subject for NASA Ames back in the '90s. It was great... I'd get paid to essentially play flight sim video games for NASA for a few hours... and then, since I had a base pass, I had NASA Ames to myself for the rest of the day... wandering around the wind tunnels; exploring the outlying areas. Those were good times indeed.

[@DUBaviator]

Excellent video looked like great fun too refreshing the emergency procedures.

[@alejandrogodoy4696]

THANK U VERY MUCH FOR SHARING UR WISDOM JASON!!!!!

[@adriantaylor7469]

Great vid, cheers guys! Nice little insight into flying over built up urban areas and the limited options in an emergency.

[@JohnnyThund3r]

This is a lot of good Info, I'm just starting out as a student pilot but I've got 3000+ hours of time in PC Flight Simulators. I kinda feel like I'm hitting a wall with what I can learn from the simulators, and I'm probably a bit over prepared to be a pilot, so videos like this really help me think about things I haven't considered, like when your instructor talked about landing on a highway, etc.

[@RomeoJulietWhiskey]

great.. looking forward to checking this out!

[@tunnelrat6809]

Really great content! I need to work through this stuff more...

[@TMosier88]

NICE! These are the kind of videos that got me hooked on your channel!!

[@FlightChops]

awesome! Yes, more of this stuff coming!

[@rileywoods6801]

Great video! Emergency procedures are a great thing to have second nature!

[@Zeldafan223]

YAYYY! San Carlos! I just had my first flight there in 3 months after surgery on sunday! I could see several planes Iv'e flown, great video as always!

[@aviationandsimulationbyber9244]

That's a super-duper training vid! Especially the extinguisher part was neat!

[@adammcghee1466]

Steve could you pull the pin on the fire extinguisher before you unhook it? You could do that with one hand.

[@FlightChops]

THAT is a great idea!

[@TheFinerPoints]

I love that idea too

[@Veritas1992]

Adam McGhee Adding that to when I teach emergency procedures. I do teach my students to take the fire extinguisher out but never thought about the pin.

[@jasonbrasher5525]

a very fine II. :) I went through 8 myself and my 8th one is spot on like this guy.

[@NZ255]

Damn, FlightChops in charge! You know what you're doing

[@fearnsey8800]

Forgot about you ! found you again love your videos really informative love how you talk about learning all the time

[@wvpolekat]

Really enjoyed this one.

[@PEPcessna]

FlightChops Im watching this while building a small model plane in my room. Its an awesome morning :) Awesome Flight

[@FlightChops]

awesome! Glad to provide some model building entertainment - what type of plane are you making?

[@PEPcessna]

Its a completely wooden Fairchild 24. The cool thing about this model is when its complete it will actually fly. The propeller spins with a lacky band :)

[@nikolaskoehn1361]

I've flown to san carlos too. it was not my favorite airport but not as bad as the concord airport

[@michaelmckean707]

Really enjoyed this one! Keep up the great work!

[@jongregory6407]

This video makes good point...practice with the fire extinguisher

[@tpowell453]

This instructor seems AWESOME. He reminds me of my first instructor. Knows his shit.

[@sailhavasu]

Great Stuff... I TOTALLY want to fly with Jason for my Instrument rating.. Looks like a super instructor!

[@TheFinerPoints]

Thanks Sean! You can find me at KSQL most days ...

[@sailhavasu]

Already looked you up Jason. :-) I live in Lake Havasu, AZ... not a lot of IFR conditions going on here....like ever. LOL I'm close to getting the written done. Plan is to get that out of the way. Then, I'm gonna do some Sim time with my local instructor....then it will be fly time. Hoping to come somewhere like your area for real world full immersion instruction with a very experienced instructor like yourself. It'll be a little bit still...but I'll be callin' ya when I'm ready. I want to be ready first though. No point wasting your time or my $ till I'm ready to go. :-) Love your web stuff! Sean

[@TheFinerPoints]

Thanks! Yeah, I'm on my way to Prescott now ... it's pretty dry down here. Geoff and I are thinking about offering an IMC immersion weekend next summer. Like a mini mountain trip ... just to get the ticket 'wet' and get some real IMC

[@JodelFlyer]

Great video as always. Thanks for sharing it. Tim

[@KerboOnYT]

That was great

[@apbyrne5099]

My dad is a firefighter at nasa pretty cool to see this

[@pinkdispatcher]

Wow, that was awesome. My flight review isn't due for a while but there are good things to consider here (fire; I've never really done this). I generally stay high over cities, and you going relatively low over Silicon Valley scared me a bit; there really aren't any good option unless there's a huge empty park. Minimum safe altitude in Germany is 1000 feet above the highest obstacle within a 600 m radius over populated areas (500 feet AGL over open areas). But that's generally trumped by a minimum cruising altitude of 2000 feet AGL, unless airspaces or weather require a lower altitude. So thanks again.

[@creekboy1382]

So now I'm considering putting a leather tag on my pin on my fire extinguisher so I can pull with my teeth. Anything that reduces your workload in a crisis is good preplanning

[@jackmatthews7733]

Flight Chops, You and Steveo are the best! Keep up the good work, and I will be contributing to help out. Old private pilot Jack

[@FlightChops]

+Jack Matthews - thanks Jack!

[@gbigsangle3044]

Getting low after a real engine out to check out a possible crash site is too late it's full of obstacles. Better to be in a Cirrus over mountains and water. You can't set down in Silicon Valley unless you try for 101, 280 or 580 and get nailed by a truck. Moffet is big...but if you can make Moffet you can make Palo Alto, SJC, Reid-Hillview or even Livermore.

[@troytollen5265]

Very nice video. Love those sun glasses, what brand if i may ask?

[@FlightChops]

+Troy Tollen - Scheyden! I'm wearing the Albatross and Jason is wearing Mustang frames - they are a sponsor :). I can get you a 40% off deal code. Email me at flightchops at gmail dot com

[@enoxalvarez6801]

Great practice

[@irnbrukidsm]

Now that was a great Video

[@easydoz1]

One pilot in the P Arrow didn't cut the throttle enough. A slight bounce and we flew for another 3 seconds. You have to feather and stick it to the runway...

[@PittSkyView]

Wow this guy is really awesome. I wish I had an instructor like that when I got my PVT and Instrument. He's so knowledgable. Does he have a channel or anything? I might've just missed it if you said he does. Only complaint is the amount of talking during approach and flare.. It really takes away the concentration necessary especially in a 10 or so knot crosswind.

[@TheFinerPoints]

Hi Josh, Thanks! yes, the channel is The Finer Points ... it started as a podcast and we are just getting ramped up on KZbin - but thanks for the compliments. I should go back and watch that ... was I talking during the flare!? fail. It's good for me to debrief too

[@dfkendrick]

Excellent!

[@whymistamista5614]

You were in my backyard. When were you out here? Also San Carlos has some strong winds.

[@bennettashley925]

Love your videos! I am from the Bay Area, but go to school in Arizona. Working on my PPL! What is your instructors name that you fly with and where does he teach? When I come home on my breaks from school I would like to continue my training. I live close to KCCR! Thanks!

[@roryonabike5863]

There's some great advice in this video. #BoseA20

[@alexepvppm]

Nice episode! A question remained. What is it about the pen mark on the side?

[@benedikt5974]

In 2:37 you say that you would post a link that explains more about the X your instructor painted in the window. I cannot find that link.

[@jasonvitale5911]

Nice video you've earned a sub

[@FlightChops]

Welcome and enjoy the back catalog of over 100 episodes now!

[@ChrisCanMakeStuff]

I think that's the old Facebook campus (which used to be the Sun campus).

[@peterhartlen]

Great video Steve. Was that a standard checklist that Jason had laminated or one specific to that plane?

[@jasonmiller5983]

Peter, that one was made from the POH by the San Carlos Flight Center. It is acceptable to copy the lists from the POH and 'make your own' for easier use. I think it's a good exercise for pilots regardless.

[@hectorguzman8229]

thanks for the vid.....

[@puriarafsanjani]

kkep up the good work !

[@AureliusR]

Just curious, during the fire exercise what was with the 45 degree bank? Why would you do that? I learned that you should take the steps you took (fuel cutoff, aux pump off, master electric off, leave mags on to burn fuel in engine if it's still running) and to go into a dive at 100 knots if the fire does not go out to try and get the plane down quickly. What would the bank do?

[@ianwild5582]

Steve, you mentioned some links re the X Jason drew on the window to check for rudder co-ordination - I've not heard that one before and I can't seem to find out more about it. Any references?

[@TheFinerPoints]

Hi Ian, I wish I had a video showing exactly what we're doing there but we'll have to make that one and get it up. The idea is that you can take an Expo pen (dry erase marker ... which I call my 'head's up display') and literally draw on the window. Like the scope on a rifle this will give you a reference closer to your eye to see the small variations in yaw, pitch and roll. Try it sometime but just remember! Erase it after 20 minutes or so or it may become permanent

[@whymistamista5614]

When were you in San Carlos? That airport is sooooo windy.

[@Heyemeyohsts]

Did you know that adjusting the trim wheel all the way up, will put you in best glide without power ?

[@thejakey46]

3:38 how do you like dem apples?

[@anathemapth]

This is an old video, so the link may be gone, but do you have the links about using the corner of the window for roll/pitch/yaw? Wanted to read up on that.

[@FlightChops]

I am actually traveling with TFP Jason tomorrow. I will ask him for an update on this.

[@deathtotruthers1]

Sorry, I'm new to your channel, but does the guy you're flying with train new pilots at SQL? I live right by there and want to learn to fly. He seemed like a really cool guy and really seems to know his stuff.

[@jasonmiller5983]

Yes! KSQL 655 skyway rd. Suite 222 :)

[@deathtotruthers1]

Cool! Thanks! Is there anything you suggest a new pilot do before coming to you? Books to read? Etc?

[@jasonmiller5983]

Sure, I would recommend downloading the free trial of ForeFlight and looking over the 'VFR sectional map', also the FAA has free textbooks (pdf) available at their website. The Airplane Flying Handbook / Pilots Handbook of Aeronautical Knowledge would be great reading.

[@deathtotruthers1]

Thank you Jason. I'm off to the bookstore. I promise this will be my last question - is there a time of year in the bay area when you think its best for someone to start learning to fly?

[@jasonmiller5983]

Not really, we're pretty lucky with weather here. Any time of year is a great time to start here in the bay :)

[@joeangiello9784]

Could definitely land on that roof. Not sure how you’d get the plane down though 😅

[@ChrisCanMakeStuff]

FYI. The contest link on flightchops.com is going to www.flightchops.com/contests/ it should be www.flightchops.com/contest/ The menu at the top of the page is correct.

[@FlightChops]

I really appreciate this help - re designing the website has been a big process - we're fixing it now and are thankful for the bug reports!

[@Tiwow]

Would you actually use the extinguisher in flight, and if so how ? We've got one in our 182 as well, but it contains freon (which will basically kill you if you breathe it), and the engine bay isn't actually accessible especially while piloting.

[@FlightChops]

+Tiwow - use of extinguisher during flight would be for dealing with fire that gets beyond the firewall such as electrical. But agreed that it would not be a god situation to be in

[@Tiwow]

+FlightChops Good point. One potential problem with electrical fires is that if you don't remove the source of the fire, it will get back as soon as there's more oxygen. Unfortunately cutting everything off will sometimes not be enough to solve the issue. In-flight fires are just a nightmare anyway. For my airline job we had a mandatory course on how, why and when we should use different kinds of extinguishers. I think it's good for us pilots and as general knowledge.

[@bariqharb2835]

good stuff m8, I passed my flight exam for my private license recently, and i have no idea what to do now. Should i do my aerobatic or night rating first?

[@EC-oe9bv]

You didn't do night training for your private? What country are you from? For the record, I vote night training, far more useful than aerobatics.

[@bariqharb2835]

Here in Australia we don't need to do night training before our ppl exam. the following is a link that shows the requirements for a ppl. Thanks for your input, appreciate it. www.casa.gov.au/sites/g/files/net351/f/_assets/main/lib100191/getting-your-private-licence.pdf

[@UnoSeconds]

question at 15:13 is that radio tap used as a confirmation of the wind?

[@FlightChops]

Yes; 2 clicks is often used to reply / confirm simple bits of info that do not require formal replies - it seems to be common in the U.S. - We don't really do it here in Canada though. Reading back the call sign / tail number at a minimum is typically how I acknowledge things.

[@UnoSeconds]

Interesting... I probably should not use this my self, but interesting.

[@FlightChops]

+UnoSeconds - right, it is not a good idea to use it if you are not 100% sure. Like you could acknowledge a landing clearance or something with 2 clicks :P

[@SVSky]

Hey, my home stomping grounds =)

[@Flightsimmovies]

That gps is GNS400 ?

[@alexbishop77]

Was that kpao?

[@bradyskrocki7654]

Hi

[@liamwilson9490]

G'day! I think you forgot post a link that expands on the technique using the corner of the window to get pitch, roll and yaw information. It sounds very interesting and I would love to read up on it, could you please post it? Cheers!

[@FlightChops]

Hey there, yes, I was waiting for Jason to send me some previous podcast links that covered it - mean time - he does cover it in the video we made called "Take Off at 8,000 ft Density Altitude..." from his mountain course. If you search my channel for that one it is a good start.

[@liamwilson9490]

Will do. Thanks!

[@ZeroByteInFlight]

Ha ha - more right rudder. I have a video that can help you with that, Chops. ;)

[@BelowMinimums]

I wonder what he (forgot his name) would think about what happened a mile from my house 2 weeks ago. A C182 carrying parachute jumpers who were supposed to jump into an event caught fire to the wing because one of the jumpers set their pyrotechnics off too early and the pilot, who had a parachute, jumped too and the plane crashed into a house. Luckily no one was hurt (even the residents who were home at the time) but their house is destroyed. I think it's terrible of the pilot. I know for a fact there were no open fields to ditch in but the fact that he jumped to safety and let the plane just end up wherever pisses me off.

[@TheFinerPoints]

That was in Phoenix yes? I was there at the time giving a Flight Instructor Renewal Course for AOPA and one of my students saw the whole thing. Everybody made it right?

[@TheFinerPoints]

Oh, and it's Jason Miller :)

[@BelowMinimums]

Yes it was! All the jumpers were unhurt and the pilot was the only injury. Somehow the residents of the house (who were home when it crashed) were unhurt as well. I was working in a noisy sports bar so I couldn't hear it, but my friends said they could heard the "bang" from the crash from miles away. I actually saw the firetrucks and ambulances responding to the crash but I only thought it was a bad car accident, not a plane crash!

[@TheFinerPoints]

Yeah, crazy. I was there and the next day we heard the story from a CFI who watched it from his hot tub. Glad everybody was ok

[@MichaelCarrPilot]

2nd!!

[@s1yeonnie]

I'm not really into learning how to fly..I'm just watching for the entertainment

[@erictaylor5462]

10:30 And yet another "A lot of guys..." mistake you didn't make!!!!

[@Dulee100]

The other guy looks like mcLeathal the rapper

[@adipuppi]

ooooof hahaha

[@Zeldafan223]

Don't fly over google too low, you don't want them to get annoyed and delete your channel lol jk