KENNY BEATS - TALKING ABOUT LOOPS / PLACEMENTS / CO-PRODUCERS etc - LIVE (8/14/20) 🤨 🧐

[@c2damak]

From a guitarist: THANK YOU!!! I hate when I lay down some guitar for someone just to recognize later that my guitar riff or progression just gets reversed or pitched down and now I'm off the credit somehow? Shit is whack but honestly musicians start to get used to it. Glad this is being put out there tho.

[@ThiFisher]

do you have some loops to send? i'll credit you. promised 😂

[@noname-ng6sj]

He wasn't talking about you. He says you're just work for hire, which you are.

[@c2damak]

Work for hire is fine. But what would your song be without the inspiration? The answer doesn't benefit me monetarily either way but I'm not going to sample Beethoven and pretend he didn't inspire the whole joint.

[@c2damak]

@@ThiFisher aye that's all I need! *presses the send button xD

[@AyooProducer]

no name shut up lmao hes legit talking about giving credit where credit is due. This is exactly what OP is talking about.

[@jwizdum2103]

It surprises me to this day that giving producers title credit isn't even a normal thing. People deadass DON'T wanna put the producer in their title unless they have more clout than them, and that's sad.

[@chloridebeatz]

producers gotta drink from they own water fountain

[@lilwombat]

It's crazy to me cuz even before I made beat I would really care who made the beat

[@chloridebeatz]

@@lilwombat bro fr. Lowkey thats like at least half the reason i like the song bro. Since i was a baby

[@jwizdum2103]

@@lilwombat me too bro, some people be like that and some don't, but its honestly so disrespectful to the producer, should be 100% normal to put producers name in the title, just like Apollo Brown, Alchemist, Flying Lotus, etc.

[@chloridebeatz]

@@jwizdum2103 our time coming bro. I can feel it

[@jordanmccarty5892]

"You would never tell a rapper, just rap some shit" Watches any episode of the cave

[@hotworkmusic]

Yeaa Kenny dropping gems DAILY

[@GUPRPEET-Singh]

So true....👍

[@EOxNOOB]

Fliko never disappoints

[@jai6897]

Thanks Fliko

[@Changzy]

Well said. A buddy of mine will sometimes start off from scratch and my goodness, we’ll spend so much time trying to figure out sounds and chords and nothing will get done. But once we work with and flip loops, it’s over.

[@luisfarias134]

I spent an insane amount of time on the sounds. Drum sounds you could perfect later. Fyi

[@mariano.mp3]

A kinda friend of mine, a talented singer asked me for a beat last year, I was given a reference. So I sent him the v1 because he needed it asap, the beat was pretty much there. He wrote the song on top of it, then asked me to send the chords and vocal chops to his "pro" producer, I did it. He (the singer) told me I was gonna be given credits for my work. 3 months after that, he released a song. My chords (I mean, you don't own chord but you know...) and my vocal chops. No credits, not even an Instagram shoutout haha, just me being ignored. I understand he is investing in his career, paying to a producer with 15 years of experience and shit but... Nah man I felt bad, felt like if the big producer didn't give me any credits was because I didn't deserve them :(

[@ProdCollo]

ya hate to see it bro, I can only hope the experienced producer just didn't know or wasn't sure how to contact you :(

[@gustavgunz1877]

How about a little bit of nah next time

[@CHARLUCOFC]

I'm almost certain your "friend" just brought what you gave him to his producer and said make this a song. If I was that artist, I would much rather work with my friend and make the song together for free than pay somebody to do it for me. I wish I knew people locally that even were interested in music. Much less actually make it. But I feel you bro, it's either they just want a beat or they don't even want to work with you. Like other comments have said, brand yourself as an artist, not just a producer, and demand respect from people who want to work with you. Take the requests as serious as you take your music career and they will respect it.

[@playmakersmusic]

Good that you cut him off bro. At least this guy isn't so big yet, you still got a long way to go !

[@luisfarias134]

The least the singer (who ever) could do is a shot out. Tell me I'm not getting paid upfront but if you have a following at least offer me that. Word of advice, try not to do deals under a Mercury Retrograde, unless you are born under one. They happen 3 times a year.

[@cp04pr23cp]

As someone who uses loops in almost all my beats, thank you for making me feel better about it. I usually flip the sample and make a good song out of it but I still feel like an impostor because I didn’t create the loop that brings it all together

[@user-fc9qy4wq6s]

these are huuuge facts from Kenny Also, thanks fliko :)

[@shantanusingh5626]

I fuck with this. Nick Mira literally copied shape of my heart's entire riff and acted like it wasn't a big deal cause he didn't sample the guitar he played the riff himself. That guitar riff was literally the foundation of that song yet Nick couldn't care less.

[@КарлКарыч]

Respect to him

[@kelvinharris7338]

Kenny is breaking it down, being fair is just good business, if you're in it to win it, learn the business!! Give the musicians of those loops, props!

[@MrIzzy4real]

THANK YOU for co-signing LOOPS! Samples are basically loops!! I was a little shy to showcase my beats w/ loops. Just give credit!

[@AowchMyFoot]

Damn man, I'm getting more dimes from Kenny on the business than anywhere else

[@johnsutphin9400]

that's cos half these kids are clout monsters and not artists bro

[@seanmcloughlin8772]

" I went to Jared.. fuck zales" HAHAAAAH 11:47

[@xcape4785]

"I'm not tony hawk of twitch" Hahaha that end killed me

[@smashingairguitars]

While I enjoy being small enough right now to be able to spend time with my music, craft my own sounds and literally take two weeks just on one guitar solo I'm never gonna look down on some one using loops. If it bangs it bangs. Just give credit where it is due and make quality art. That's all that matters.

[@aaronmarsh8444]

Kenny u a real one for this

[@Shadows8U]

3:54 ... That's prolly why everyone who watches me start from scratch gives me weird looks 😂

[@noname-ng6sj]

This argument was all over the place. It ended up being well-meaning, but no one in the comments gets it. Watch the end.

[@internetalpha5173]

Yeah this really was all over the place

[@chloridebeatz]

gems just laying all around ike wtf

[@unitedintraditions]

Beautiful Hef Bass on that wall 🙌

[@MHSlypher1]

Good old Kenndy! For real tho, needed to hear this

[@akhilchandrashekar1725]

Fliko dropping faster than woo

[@malikco9933]

it has always been like that

[@soulpeacesam]

we still fuck with woo more

[@RayyanKhanRayyanKhan]

@@soulpeacesam y

[@hunnersmells]

ALL ABOUT THE THOUGHT PATTERNS

[@AKARWATV]

ACTUALLY, I HARDLY CAN TURN LOOPS(EXCEPT MINE, DIFFERENT REASONS INCLUDE I STRUCTURE THEM WITH A PURPOSE FOR A CERTAIN BEAT I ALREADY HAVE CONCIEVED) INTO A FAVORITE BEAT SO I GAVE UP ON'EM BUT THESE PRODUCERS WHO REALLY CAN DO IT ARE REALLY FUCKIN' MUSICAL 4SURE

[@Trivelakick]

Bro you just take loop and take fx and drums wtf r u talkin bout?

[@Robin-2350]

i LOVE KENNY no homo

[@foursevnnn]

*Robert Glasper has joined the chat*

[@culain6633]

hell ya man, appreciate your input on this topic

[@izzyfontaine]

really love this kind of talk

[@ECProds_]

Absolute gem

[@lalo_493]

Tony Hawk of twitch???

[@mistvghxst7610]

I was confused on one thing, was Kenny saying that when you use a sample (royalty free), whether it be a melody loop or drums from a pack, you have to credit the musician that made that loop?

[@prodcozybru]

basically his point is no matter what type of sample it is that it’s always best to credit the person who made it

[@badafrican8035]

@@prodcozybru But companies like Cymatics don’t really credit the people who do sound design and samples. Unless it’s a big producer like S1

[@benja303]

@@badafrican8035 Kenny's point is that this is a bad practice and we should break the cycle by crediting everybody

[@arbab2569]

Art is ultimately derivative so if someone wants to use loops but then spice up the loop and beat with their ideas, then that's still art. Do you think because Leonardo Da Vinci painted hyper-realistic portraits of people also means Michelangelo who was a younger artist when he stopped sculpting and was painting was called a clout-chaser for taking notes from Leo? You wouldn't because that's ridiculous.

[@5ksubscriberschallengewith197]

Real gems 💎

[@TheRighteousDawn]

*THE TONY HAWK OF TWITCH*

[@kanto2244]

This probably happens to Minor2Go a lot

[@VilleMusic]

He did an interview a while back where he said he doesn't care about the credit he just enjoys making music. Tbh I'd be claiming my creds on everything since he has soo many songs using his melodies.

[@NugBeats]

Ville Music he recently signed so maybe it will change

[@ganjabeatz6572]

@@NugBeats he used Looperman which is royalty-free. I dont know if hes still on that website but he got signed so he will make dough.

[@VilleMusic]

@@NugBeats Oh fr didnt know that. That means we finna see even more of him soon

[@whossaiko1]

@@ganjabeatz6572 he uploads daily on there

[@RariShiesty]

To me sampling is harder because I don’t know what key it’s in at times or sometimes what 808’s to use

[@RariShiesty]

xoxo I usual do it in fl studio but after tweaking the sample so much and listening to the sample for so long I get bored of it also I’m on the demo version of fl so I can’t save it and come back to it

[@RariShiesty]

@@C1K450 what?

[@Trivelakick]

Use Wave Candy for seeing Keys. Check Navie D. Channel

[@PluckDaBass]

SPEAK KENNY!!!!

[@crowdpleasers6198]

break the cycle morty, choose science

[@stringstorm]

You use someone else's stuff, you give credit to that someone. Doesn't matter if its on music or any other field. That's just common decency.

[@Masssshysteria]

tony hawk of twitch

[@sneakywetsuit]

"Wrong thought patterns"

[@dnz.tmr38]

I instantly heard the beat in my head he made w zack fox😂

[@JOEMCKINLEY3]

Officer beats is spitting facts

[@iskandar.bakshi]

if you are smart and talented you become someone like ye or eminem, if you are talented but not smart you become expensive ableton vst plugin for smart and talented people

[@tristanvh3477]

the first hiphop beats where made out of loops ONLY...

[@tracksphantom540]

Very big Gems here.

[@malikco9933]

letsgooo

[@ayotwisted]

💯💯💯

[@scottmcg3095]

Kenneth, why do your vids appear from two channels? jw

[@forze5548]

the goat

[@prod.pancho1617]

Fliko the goat

[@eye4585]

real talk

[@OOYAH]

kenny such a goat I don't know where i would be rn if it wasn't for all his golden streams

[@KordTaylor]

Tell it Kenny!

[@doblemm7486]

Bro people out here fighting over crumbs

[@973ultima]

I didn’t understand why at the begining hés talking about making 50/50 with the artist but then he talk about getting like 4%, could someone please explain? I don’t fully understand english that’s why i’m asking Thanks 🔥 Ps: respect to my boi Kenny

[@luisfarias134]

As a producer it's 4% but give credit where it's do, not necessarily monetary.

[@ybdinxro3068]

💎

[@tapangasoul6928]

So you have to tag producers if you make a song from their pack on Splice? Or say they are the co-producer?

[@nicholasmarch3286]

yeah if you're a decent person.. they should get writing credits.. not producing credits, WRITING credits...

[@tapangasoul6928]

@@nicholasmarch3286 i see that. Yeah that makes sense.

[@blackscreen1810]

I understand using loops when your with the artist but i hate when producers only use loops

[@luisfarias134]

If I'm a musician working on your song A SHOT OUT WOULD BE NICE!!!

[@chaitanyakumar1108]

any experienced producer in the comment section who knows what percentage do the person who makes the loops get between producer and producer?

[@o4aw120]

Chaitanya Kumar not very experienced but i think about 30% of what the producer gets

[@jwizdum2103]

I've done a chop for a Ty Farris placement, was given 50% of what the producer I worked with got, so 25% of all royalties for the loopmaker

[@chaitanyakumar1108]

so basically like 50-artist, 25-producer, 25-loopmaker... seems fair. thanks for clearing it

[@casbiat4081]

@@chaitanyakumar1108 why more for the artist?

[@chaitanyakumar1108]

@@casbiat4081 bro obv its 50/50 between producer and artist, but when the producer uses a loop from another producer then it splits between them so by basic maths it leaves 50 25 25

[@jogging.]

had to drop the bomb

[@nt2924]

If you want a LOOPKIT, reply to this. 🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼

[@prodjackwilson]

what loops u make?

[@MISAKIBeats]

When you have to Copyright every beat you make because some mofo is going to steal it and remove your tag and take credit for it

[@aaronkahlil]

free game

[@andy14169]

Strangely ironic how it flipped. 20 years ago no cared about the producer and you had to play live to get clout and be famous. Now the live players are in the shadow of people who know how to use software and press play on records. Kinda crazy.

[@FeastTheStoic]

The thing is, for years. Artist have sampled from records, and fought back. There has been a whole thing about finding a rare sample, and flipping it. Many who complain about people selling ROYALTY FREE loops and not getting credit. Are those same artists who have made joints off a sample from a record and never got caught. What about those artists?

[@churricardo1457]

0:44 ALLAH?

[@yusifsavage]

a lot

[@IamBryanConway]

Who’s this Jared?

[@pablolemus5003]

Blame game. Avril 14th.

[@haterskeephatin101]

People are just gunna act like psymun isn't the hottest producer out rn cause he never gets the credit

[@dulla8469]

ive seen a video of jon bellion (he does some behind the music thing on his songs High Recommend for everyone to check them out) he brought a session musician to play bass on a track, seemed like he knew him and has worked with him, but when the guy came he knew what the deal was and just took out his bass and started playing, jon gave his input and when the dude played what he wanted, he started going crazy, and complementing the shit out of him, and hyping him out to everyone who was in the studio...

[@mattdenz497]

first

[@renaldo4932]

it wasnt a great jam man , chill kenny

[@towned]

I don't subscribe to this thinking. If your a loop producer I think your credit should be limited to a sample credit. Not a co-producer. Elton john doesn't get co-producer credit when Kanye samples him (one example) so, why would I share prod credit with someone who had nothing to do with the end result... Don't get me wrong. They're still credited they just don't share full production. And don't get me wrong. If you're a wack producer that just adds drums to someone else's loop then ya, they deserve a prod credit. But if you flip it and add a bunch of shit then nah, gtfoh

[@noname-ng6sj]

...... He absolutely gets cowriting Credit. What the fuck are you on about? Kenny fans are the worst, i swear.

[@vidDunk]

If you don't have anything to flip and work with, then what? If you have problem with splitting, make your own loops and flip them...

[@towned]

@@noname-ng6sj Elton John gets a song writer credit not a producer credit. Note the difference please.

[@towned]

@@amanplayingsaxophoneintheh9994 The point is Kanye is listed as the producer. Because Kanye had the vision for the beat and ultimately the record. So why would Elton get a production credit on something he conceptually had little to do with? Yes, he created the original song that inspired a new record but that's why he's credited as the songwriter, Not producer. The point I am making is that we have a ton of loop producers walking around like they actually produced hit records when all they did was make a loop pack. It took a producer to hear the loop, have an idea, craft it and create something that an artist wants to jump on. I'm in no way saying they don't deserve credit, all I'm saying is they don't deserve a producer credit.

[@internetalpha5173]

@@noname-ng6sj who hurt you? You all up in this comment section being aggressive and shit when you could just be a kind person and state your point without being an asshole. Your mother must've failed you. Sorry to be rude as well but you reap what you sow.