Flip lid motorcycle helmet review

[@andrewbirisan]

This is one of the best reviews and comparison videos I have ever seen, on any product. Detailed, but not over bearing. Well done, & I’m sure we ALL greatly appreciate the info.

[@Motolegends]

Thanks for the feedback. Good to hear.

[@lauriebloggs8391]

Absolutely........thank you

[@AyoHues]

I wanted a Schuberth E1 Adventure helmet (based on the C3 Pro) but at the last minute I nearly went for the first edition C4 instead. Chris gave me chapter and verse - basically this video - so I went for the E1. It was 100% the right choice so yet again, thank you MotoLegends for going the extra mile and making sure I got the right choice for me. Seriously the best customer service out there!

[@Motolegends]

Well thanks for that. We like to hear it!

[@Veekator]

love my Neotec. I used to wear glasses and Modular is a must for anyone who wears glasses. I had surgery and no longer need glasses but I stayed with my Modular. My 1st was a Scorpion, then I got a neotec and that was it. For me best helmet....EVER! I tried the Schuberth but they just didn't fit my noggin. A rep said they fit 1 out of 3 and they are addressing that. I just went at a Neotec II and love it. Better air flow design, super quiet and love the quick chin strap. Cyclegear has the Schuberth lite and they are under 400. One more thing Whatever you get, pinlock is a must. I would like Shoei to offer a mirrored facesheild..

[@cootsyuk7889]

Good review, struck me as being honest as it dished the dirt when it needed to then told the full story. I had the C3 pro, really good and fitted well but had a couple of issues (like it leaked in the visor in heavy rain, which I've since discovered was a common complaint). Bought the Neotec 2 which I thought was great, and it is, but after some riding, realised it just doesn't fit my head-shape. I sold it and bought the C4 pro; it fits great and I like it but haven't done enough riding yet for a definitive conclusion. However, the early signs are that I made the right decision for me.

[@mikedignum1868]

I wore the C3 and Pro for years but walked away from them when the C4 came out. I'm now using Neotec.

[@rogereastman3187]

Great informative show! Personally, having used them all.... The best helmet for me is the... C3 Pro

[@SimmDawg]

Nice and thorough review Sir, thanks so much for your honesty. Greatly appreciated. I own the Neotec 2 for a year now and live it. The anti fog screen works excellently.

[@tnetroP]

I'm about to take my CBT so have been looking at helmets and clothing and your videos have popped up several times. They are all excellent and very informative. Then I discovered you are actually quite close to me. So I'll be paying a visit very soon. Keep up the great videos.

[@Motolegends]

We look forward to seeing you soon. Closed on Mondays but open every other day.

[@tnetroP]

@@Motolegends Thank you. I did visit today and made a purchase. You have a lovely shop and everyone was very helpful.

[@douglaskirk4698]

I have rode with the Shoei Neotec II for the past year......The pros are as stated, it is like good leather, tight at first but with in a couple weeks it fits like a glove and softens up and remains absolutely comfortable even when pulling on and off. He didnt really get into the way a lot of townies ride, thats with the face bar in the up position, even then the helmet is quiet And still comfortable, At higher speeds like 80+ mph it does start to give you the wind sail effect. It is a solid helmet and you notice that all the moving parts are crisp and done right. The chin strap is a rachet one, I thought this would be annoying at first but quickly warmed up to this feature and now I couldn't do without it, gloves on or off, quick on quick off, no excess strap dangling. The "Fighter" viser is fantastic as in quick and solid drop down and still feels like youre riding wide open, lots of air flow but not flushing your eyes out. The Cons......This IS an expensive helmet, here in the states they are going for $700 . The helmet is heavier, but it doesn't really feel like it when youre riding with it on, I have done some all day rides and had no neck fatigue at all. The biggest Con has to be the SENA SRL made especially for this helmet, you must of course purchase this separate and they aren't cheap either, That said , that Sena is really your ONLY choice so if you like other comm units youre outta luck. However the Sena Does fit beautifully integrated into the helmet and very low profile and a good looking design hides it to look like you dont even have a com unit installed at all. Over all, the BEST helmet I have ever owned.

[@Tiesemans_one_in_ten]

Nolan 100-5 not even mentioned > very underestimated ... Excellent flip lid helmet, Highly recommended.

[@bigearsboy]

Great review, I have the Shoei Neotec 2, it is heavy but I love it and will go for a replacement when I need too

[@mikeb6185]

Great video - superb history and detail! Just back into biking, and I just purchased a C3PRO as the price was right and you price matched :-) Happy customer. Need some jeans, and would prefer to visit you to get them fitted properly as ordering over the internet is so hit-and-miss with sizing different across brands! Hope you are open for business soon, and Keep producing the videos!

[@Motolegends]

We expect to be open from June 15th but we don't know what the fitting arrangements will be.

[@davidfennessey2727]

Just Bought a C 4 pro carbon from yourselfs last week thank Billy I had the C4 before,the new helmet is so quite and comfortable compared to the old one field of vision seems better and of course lighter just took 30 second to swap the coms over best helmet I’ve ever had thanks for all the staffs hardwork

[@LMO169]

3:18 The Hurt Report states that the area with the highest chance of impact is the chin part with 34.6%, how is that rare? Personally I'm all in on modular helmets, started riding with one and recently got a C4 Pro.

[@Dave111Smith]

Thanks for this comparison, it's answered a lot of questions for me.

[@jerrywallis599]

One thing no one talks about is us riders that have allergy's and ride back roads. I sneeze at least twice every ride and with a full face you have something to remind you about the sneeze the rest of the trip

[@jimjoelliejack]

I always ride in a flip helmet. Made me chuckle about petrol stations, I go in now with my helmet on my visor down and my face covered with a full face balaclava, no one bats an eye lid!🤣

[@richardahola692]

Thanks for a great review. You pointed out a great feature: closer fit and quieter. I have never used one but now I would like to try one. I mostly wear an open front helmet and switch to a full ds for long trips or cold. I'm used to the term modular. Flip lid is much more descriptive

[@alanhassall]

The Neotec 2 fits me like it was made for my head. The C4 Pro is tight front to back, but not as bad as their helmets in the past.

[@Volgin.]

Not sure if it's because of an inappropriate fit (even though the helmet feels good enough on my head), but the Neotec II is very very noisy on a naked motorcycle. Past 60km/h it's crazy how much wind noise it makes... Gonna try the C3 Pro

[@saltire546]

Breathing fresh air in London!!!!!!, anyway the Roof Desmo has a huge advantage over these flip lids in the fact that the chin part will go right over to the rear and you can ride at any speed without feeling that your head is getting ripped off.

[@ynotjf]

Well fast forward to 2024 and the new C5 is released but plagued with problems. I wonder how the C5 really compares to the C3 Pro?

[@OVB_NL]

Incredible review and very very useful. Thank you! 🙂

[@MrStormas]

Very professional

[@patfleming3835]

Another great review Chris. I was surprised when you mentioned the C3 came out in 1998! Did I miss something as I bought my first Schuberth in 2000, the Concept. I think what you might have meant to say is that the first Schuberth flip up was launched in 1998. C3 I think was 2008? After the Concept I had the C2 and now the C3. The older ones were great but the C3 feels a bit flimsy with the chin piece a much tighter fit than before which I never liked on the Arai’s. I also miss being able to pull the visor forward in hot weather allowing more air with the visor full down (Concept & C2) Otherwise the C3 is a very nice well ventilated quiet helmet and feels much lighter than previous (too light?). Will definitely be paying a visit to Guildford for a fitting and having a look at the C5 & Shoei when replacing.

[@Motolegends]

Dear Pat, you are right and I was wrong. CP.

[@patfleming3835]

@@Motolegends no problem Chris, I look forward to visiting for a helmet fit when my helmet is due replacement. I love your reviews.

[@red4355]

Excellent Review from the Man in the Cap.

[@sabbage100]

It’s a flip cap.

[@peterwaddington7469]

You haven't mentioned the benefit to Spectacle wearers. I wear specs and using a flip lid means that I can get my helmet on and off whilst still wearing my specs, I have to take them off to use a conventional full face, and then struggle to fit the specs back on

[@alan461]

Peter Waddington good info thanks

[@AleksiJoensuu]

I can never get the helmet on with my specs in place 😄 The helmet just pushes them on to my cheeks.

[@smashy_smasherton]

Me too. My prescription is bad enough that my glasses are $700.00 to replace. If I drop them while putting a helmet on, I step on them getting off the bike to find them. If it wasn't for flip lids, I would be wearing a no-face helmet- and that's no good.

[@MrJadiin]

how dafuq do you put a helmet on with your glasses in place? Flip lid or not?

[@vmax4steve524]

@@MrJadiin I wear an AGV sport modular carbon lid with an internal fitting that favours spectacle wearers, I wear it with a silk balaclava underneath and the helmet will slip over the balaclava so as not to move your ears and the specs stay in place. Hope this helps. Works with my Harrison Corsair open face as well but will not work with a conventional full face.

[@The63chicky]

I've just purchased the C3 Pro because I wanted a quiet helmet. Absolutely love it!! Previously had an AGV K5...noisy thing it was.

[@sidwilson9556]

Very good presentation. Excellent review. Thank you.

[@ghostdog333221]

Great review! I formerly used a C3 pro, now having switched to a C4 pro carbon. I am no where satisfied with the noise levels riding my R1250gsa, and have to use ear plugs in addition. Not sure if anyone is much better thou.

[@kmohan24]

It could be the bike. I got a R1250GS recently, the same helmet sounds horrible. Get buffeted and very noisy. Moving the windshield doesn't solve it. I am experimenting with active noise (Beats) cancelling earbuds. Did you buy the same size C4 Pro as your C3 Pro.

[@Geshmaal]

@@kmohan24 honestly just use foam earplugs, you get much greater hearing protection and it's a solution you can use with any helmet. Also means you aren't risking dropping your £150+ earphones whenever you remove the helmet.

[@patfleming3835]

If my memory is correct 80 mph on a bike, your time limit is 30 minutes before your hearing begins to get damaged. The Schuberth is much quieter than the Arai’s I used to wear. The rest is down to the bike. Ear plugs all the way!

[@jimthompson717]

Its the bike. I finally solved it with a windscreen visor form MRA x-creen.

[@MayorofDipshittery-lq7if]

Love the C3 it was incredibly light & quiet compared to others of similar style at the time, very comfortable.

[@The63chicky]

You sound like Ronnie Corbett....I keep waiting for the jokes.... ;)

[@jasedukes]

Exactly what I thought 😂

[@roberthambly9926]

Very good review. This helped me out a lot.

[@mac243877]

I went out this year to buy the Schubert’s, but fit was better on the shoes and now I love it best quietest helmet iv ever worn, but I ride anst1300 so screen does eliminate wind noise but when screens down low for town n city helmet even with visor up is great highly recommend it but they both depend on shape of yer head

[@christiantrab6160]

Thanks, VERY helpful. I see now I got a regular C4 when I thought I bought a C4 Pro, damn. That regular C4 is somewhat ok, but not really silent, and that confused me, I se now why….

[@Rayk76]

I've always been an Arai rx7 wearer but fancy a flip up lid, leaning toward shoei neotec

[@mickshirley7566]

I have a shark fliplid endless, it ticks all my boxes, wind noise and ideal in torrential rain, not pinlock though, not designed for pinlock, so slow riding in damp conditions, or humid and hot have to lift the visor or flip the lid, very easy to flip and put back down.

[@cordellian]

Nice review thank you, some what confused with two points you make seeming to be different to anyone else i have seen reviewing. The accident point, seems that there is a concesess that the chin is most likely place to be hit at nearly 20% of the time. And the noise factor which other reviews all agree flip lids are mostly louder than full face.

[@Yoda8945]

I have had three Schuberth Helmets, the latest being the C3Pro which I am still using. The one thing that I absolutely detested on the C3 Pro is the PinLock system. I much preferred the hydorphilic coating on the previous helmets. I ripped out the Pinlock because keeping 4 layers of plastic clean was difficult (6 if you count the Sun screen) and the edge of the Pinlock interfered with my vision. YMMV.

[@Motolegends]

In good weather and through the summer you are better off without a pinlock, but if you commute daily right through the winter a good Pinlock comes into its own. One thing to bear in mind is that, until recently, Schuberth fitted a very inferior Pinlock lookalike.

[@patfleming3835]

@@Motolegends I too am on my third Schuberth. With The early ones, Concept and C2 I could leave the visor closed at traffic lights with minimal foggy on a cold morning. However I found that after about four years the coating began to peel off. I have had pinlocks on other helmets and my present C3 and find them great. I’d have a slight preference for the older type of visor but if it has to be pinlock, I can live with it.

[@El-matador787]

Amazing review and information...

[@colterino]

Excellent job, Mate !

[@markkulyas2418]

That's interesting, I seen a crash data chart showing that the chin is the highest percentage to impact on a motorcycle.

[@waltermh111]

My budget is under $500, I really wanted under $400 but hard to get something good for that, so meh... But these are $600+ so I think I will have to look into these in 2 years when I hope to have more money. For now, getting HJC RPHA 90. Every review I see leads me to it. But the Neotek 2 does look like my next possible helmet.

[@nungu60a]

You are well informed which helps. Thank you.

[@marcusnz232]

+1 for the Neotec 2 from me. Awesome lid.

[@roadwarrior8560]

how do you like it?

[@marcusnz232]

@@roadwarrior8560 It is a great helmet. Really comfortable and well made. The opening chin bar is a brilliant thing and the fact that you can fit custom designed comms from SENA in it (the SRL2 - there are cutouts and channels within the helmet for all the stuff) is also excellent.

[@roadwarrior8560]

@@marcusnz232 thanks

[@RossMalagarie]

I have a half shell, (turtle shell), 3/4, (open), and a modular, (flip lid) and I only wear and will wear a modular/flip lid because much easier to put on and off, can open for more air and talking.

[@mrpatton01]

i love My C3pro, had a regular C3 before that. will buy the C4 in the near future.

[@tdublove9558]

I bought the HJC Modular Helmet it's nice and quite comfortable and semi quiet

[@panpestowski]

HJC RPHA90 - highly recommended

[@markireland3621]

3:31, The only really bad accident I've ever had was landing directly on my chin. I feel privileged 😂

[@MayorofDipshittery-lq7if]

Excellent, informative video 👍

[@MrJadiin]

I prefer the chin flip variety not on review here. Shark and Airoh do models with them. I like the airflow and still having a visor for slow city riding then full helmet for the faster stuff.

[@SOLOMOTOUK]

Hi Chris I’m a new subscriber to your channel very interesting review of these helmets but money isn’t always there I just got myself a shark evo-one 2 slasher ambient blue and grey so far it seems much better than the shark evo line 3 and the LS2 I have I’m definitely a big fan of full modular helmets has I done a lot of touring on my z1000 Sx would be nice to give the shark evo- one 2 a review also there great for people like myself who wear glasses nice video 👍

[@patrickwatters7555]

The Caberg you can lock the flip lid up, so it's legal yo ride with it up. Also you can do mouth to mouth without removing the helmet.

[@allanlaxdal5424]

Have owned a C3 and am on my second Neotec C3 visors ( clear and dark)were of lesser quality and the dark visor vibrated in the wind, The thing I could not live with with the C3 was that the visor would not stay up while riding (Shuberth said it was designed that way), the Neotec is good to over 120kph more with a good wind screen.

[@smokinjaws3310]

How does the C3 Lite fit into the picture? Is it a C3, or c3 Pro without Comms?

[@johnfitzgerald4274]

Excellent presentation. Thank you.

[@victorimmature]

if someone was that concerned with noise i would suggest ear plugs , i think you explained the accident profile very well . and a fliplid has some advantages for everyday riding, A3 down , battersea up , like you said ,i'm sure you come across the full faced Valentino rossi wannabes to your right and the latex wearing tour de france cyclist to your left when in traffic in battersea , :)

[@iandlv6835]

Also if you wear glasses it’s much easier to put on the lid with the glasses in place

[@marcar19761976]

Is the C3 pro good for people who wearing glasses? I know that C4 pro is but not sure how about C3 pro or C3.

[@Motolegends]

Should be fine with glasses. It will depend a little on the frame on your glasses but shouldn’t be a problem on the C3 Pro.

[@imranahmed786]

I use C3 basic. Good enough helmet. Im upgrading to c4 pro soon

[@danthechippie4439]

Great video Chris. Because of this video my next lid will be the Shoei neotec 2.any practical suggestion on how to store a helmet on the bike?

[@kydrysmors]

Buy Honda nc750x :)

[@murraylove3632]

Get yourself a topbox...appropriare size of course...job done

[@psaunder1975]

fantastic review well explained thanks!

[@miremadr7937]

Great review, thank you

[@Bmlventura]

I own the Agv sport modular and i must say it isnt a quiet helmet and the noise happen to come throw bottom of the visor and the side cracks the the chin meets the helmet itself.

[@davidsgerson]

Hi, Chris. Thanks for this video. It is one of the more informative ones I have seen. I am going to move from my very loud Bullitt and you have convinced me that flip lid is the way to go. There are still deals on the C3 Basic (I am going to stick a Cardo on it anyways). Do you think there is a reason to spend the extra $ on the C4Pro or Neotech or do you still feel good that in general the C3Basic is a solid all arounder. I don't care about graphics etc, and don't want to use the Sena built in comms anyways.

[@Ryzza5]

Sena Mesh 2.0 is an important consideration for me... maybe if I wait long enough???

[@MrEye4get]

There are a new breed of modular helmets where the front chin piece flips back completely providing a much more streamlined shape. Might be clearer to name them flip up and flip back?

[@kierenmoore3236]

MrEye4get - They look cool, except for the one that fit my (oval) head well in my regular size - the Shark ... 😏😬

[@afmorriarty]

Hi. Wife has a C4Pro which she loves, I have an E1 which is the best helmet I’ve ever had. Any news on whether Schuberth are upgrading or replacing it with a new model? TIA Andy.

[@cyclechris6591]

A great review. Thanks so much , from tropical Oklahoma. Do you ship to the states?

[@efsyoo]

I used the C3Pro for a few years and loved it. Installed a Cardo pack talk to it and the boom placement seemed to be the only problem, or having to constantly adjust it when putting the helmet on. I replaced it with the C4Pro and I really enjoy the integrated comms. The material is great feeling and only have a few issues with the C4Pro that I didn’t have with the C3Pro. I get a pressure point on the rear of my skull after about an hour. I push the helmet back when putting it on to avoid rear pressure. It’s a bandaid fix though. And I also get a lot of noise from the vents when they are closed. Not just wind noise, but whistling and buzzing from plastic bits. There is zero of that when vents are open. Any tips on fixing it would be welcome as I haven’t seen anything online about it.

[@Motolegends]

Off hand, no immediate thoughts because normally one would expect more noise when the vents are open. Obviously there are lots and lots of factors that can come to bear on a helmet with regard to noise, but I simply don't understand why you would get more noise with the vents closed. I'm sorry I can't be more helpful. You've stumped me.

[@scotteger6271]

@@Motolegends maybe it's an issue with this person's individual helmet, rather than the C4 Pro in general. Without seeing it or experiencing it myself, my only guess would be the vents are not completely sealing the moving air out, causing the air to force through and whistle...possibly causing some turbulence on the vents also. I had a cheaper Bell helmet that would do this from the chin vent...was annoying but a cheap helmet, not something you expect from Schuberth.

[@kierenmoore3236]

“No one uses Cardo anymore” ... This almost seemed to imply Cardo is inferior to Sena, whereas every independent(?) review I’ve seen clearly suggests the opposite. Would you please state a clear opinion on/clarify what you meant by this, if you will ... ?

[@Motolegends]

A number of the major helmet manufacturers have moved away from Cardo, so Sena has become the dominant voice. I do know that some people prefer Cardo but one of the problems we have found with Cardo is that it is very difficult to make Cardo work in a group with people using Interphone or Sena systems. Cardo seems to play less well with others. ML

[@kierenmoore3236]

Motolegends - So, Sena plays better with others? Except with Cardo?

[@brankojerbic6040]

Excellent and very informative review, thank you. I am considering the C4 Pro and currently wear a Shoei NXR, a great lid in its own right, in XL size which is a good fit for me. What size of the C4 Pro should i be looking at ? Obvious answer is try one out, i know, but where i am located there is no Schuberth dealer so can only order online. With your experience and knowledge with both brands im hoping you can advise....many thanks

[@Motolegends]

Numerically on a Schuberth you would be XL or XXL as it sizes slightly differently to Shoei. However, Schuberth is a rounder shape and Shoei is more oval. Schuberth may not work on you at all. You will need to try it on!

[@ObsessiveCarDetailer]

Chris, you have changed my opinion👍

[@user-cx2bk6pm2f]

BOOM (mic drop). Next subject please. An incontrovertible argument for fliplids has been made! Very well done. "If you're a grown-up looking for a sensible helmet, a fliplid will do. " Indeed. Id add that a youthful edge can still be had in some cool graphics being offered.

[@ThatPedalShow]

Thanks Chris, really appreciate these vids! Really trying to find the right helmet - my race-y Arai just isn't right on my adventurer/tourer bike!

[@kierenmoore3236]

That Pedal Show - That you, Mick?! 🙃 What did you end up going with?

[@BlackThor15]

Great review, thank you. Do you have any on Adventure style helmets?

[@Motolegends]

Krios Pro and Shoei Hornet.

[@BlackThor15]

@@Motolegends thank Chris & Team.

[@crumbcake11]

c3 fits 4 me!

[@philippeberini2574]

Another important advantage: when wearing glasses you don't need to take them off to put on / take off the helmet!

[@AleksiJoensuu]

My only problems with fliplids is that they are physically larger - and heavier. Though new, good helmets are very aerodynamic which lessens the weight you actually feel. Another is that they are usually designed for upright riding, so when you are on a more sporty bike and in a tuck position, they can be hard to look around in if they make contact with your neck or upper back. Been there too 😄

[@Motolegends]

Fair comment. Although for most of us with the speeds that you can ride on the roads today, the weight doesn't make a huge difference. AGV did make a flip lid for sportsbikes. It was beautiful, all carbon and amazingly light. But in other respects it wasn't a great helmet. ML

[@AleksiJoensuu]

@@Motolegends Yes, the Sportmodular. I think I still have a couple in our shop 🙂 But you're also right, for many touring purposes flip ups are really good items.

[@andreasfalt8691]

You must NOT wear a flip-front lid under the age of 70 or if riding a café-racer. It’s only allowed for police officers and driving instructors.

[@biondanishgenomeinstitute8193]

One must move the right hand across the face to open the visor on the Neotec II it seems .. why didn't they add a knob on the right side too? (and why isn't this silly thing mentioned .. )

[@alanhassall]

Having had the original Neotec for years, I find the shield release on the left useful because I can open it without taking my right hand off of the throttle and brake. The sun visor slider is on the left also. I am also right handed.

[@scotteger6271]

@@alanhassall agreed. Most helmets have these features on the left, because as you mentioned you can still operate the throttle and brake. If you're wanting until you're stopped to crack the visor and you're holding the clutch just do it while approaching the stop.

[@jeffomspaugh6691]

I should have bought one instead of the full face shoei I recently bought.

[@sergeyd.4733]

how come you never mentioned that the neotec is way HEAVIER! As weight is one of the key factors when choosing a helmet..... my c3 pro size M weighs without intercom 1450gr as the neotec comes to about 1700gr

[@thebluepickle8456]

Sergey D. You don’t feel the way trust me. The aerodynamics on that helmet make it feel like you’re wearing almost nothing

[@kakhidzeoto]

could you please review Simpson Darksome Helmet?

[@h2489-m2l]

I’d like to upgrade my C3. It would be great to hear how you thing the AGV carbon compares against these two. Thanks

[@h2489-m2l]

@@leebroadhurst2794 thanks. Interesting. There is a rumour that AGV may release a version with integrated comms. Perhaps they will improve quietness aswell.

[@motolegends2606]

The AGV is a masterpiece of design. It’s incredibly light and beautifully put together. But the fit is not always great, it’s noisy and it doesn’t take comms. It’s a flip-lid for sports bike riders who like carbon goodies. As a flip-lid helmet it’s little more than average, and cannot really be compared to a Schuberth or Shoei, in terms of functionality. Thanks, ML

[@olgalinda4908]

suitable for touring

[@kmohan24]

One of the best comparison of the Schuberth. I have had a C2 Pro since 2014 and it is great, but time to retire and replace it. I was looking at the C4 Pro and get a lot of pros and cons vs the C3 Pro. I don't care about the comm, and I was told the shape of the C4 Pro is different. I wear a Small C3 Pro and was told to buy a Medium if I am going for the C4 Pro. Would like to know if this is true. BTW, in the USA, C3 Pro is still sold. Any difference between the C4 Pro Carbon and C4 Pro? Thanks a lot

[@mikeyb6737]

Is there an adv helmet flip lid?

[@Advcrazy]

michael brogan Schuberth e1

[@scotteger6271]

Scorpion makes the AT950 but it is loud compared to the ones here, or probably the E1 mentioned in the other comment

[@motogusnz]

Brilliant review, thank you.

[@mac46rr]

Great review. Slightly off topic but what’s the Schuberth comms system like when connecting to a Cardo system. Any issues?

[@Motolegends]

It is very difficult to make Sena and Cardo work well together. They can do but everyone seems to have problems. It is easier to be on the same comms system as your friends!

[@TomerShtein]

What about the C4 BASIC ?

[@Motolegends]

The C4 Basic is on our site, I have noticed, but it shouldn't be as we had decided not to offer it. The C4 Basic is the C4 Pro but without comms, and we think most people will want the facility to use comms. It is, however, according to Schuberth the quietest helmet in their range.

[@antonygriffin9019]

@@Motolegends - so the 'infamous' C4 that had issues - is that an older generation of C4? Or is the 'C4' that's offered today the same helmet? In NZ, we seem to have lots of C4 helmets (and I use Cardo Pack Talk Bold) on my C3 Basic but don't want to buy a lemon if the C4 you talk about is actually the C4 Basic (only the C3 uses the term here it seems). Thanks!

[@mariabutler3356]

@@antonygriffin9019 I have the same thing here in Europe. Here they sell C4 Basic for €399. In fact I just bought one. I watched many reviews but none addressed the difference of C4 and C4 basic. Now I know the C4 basic is a C4 pro without comms. Perfectly fine for me as I have my own BT fitted anyways. Cheers

[@rimvydasaniulis7307]

@motolegends So there is C4 "original" (with bugs), C4 basic (C4 Pro just without coms) and C4 Pro? Like of you want C4 without bugs and use cardo you need choose C4 Basic?

[@louislopez55]

I had a Shoei open-face helmet. I wanted a quieter helmet so I bought a GT-Air. Much better.

[@Motolegends]

Yes, obviously a full face is going to be quieter. ML

[@louislopez55]

Motolegends Oops! I’m sorry, I meant a modular Shoei helmet. My mistake. But my GT-Air is more quiet than my previous helmet. Maybe the newest modular design is improved.

[@njvanzyl1469]

Would you be able to custom fit the C4 Pro by swopping different size internal liners? Say for example if you get a size medium but want a tighter fit around the cheeks, could you fit the size small helmet's cheek pads? As far as I know the shell size for small and medium are the same so the liners should be interchangeable right?

[@Motolegends]

You cannot change the cheek pads easily. They are not designed to do that (unfortunately). Sometimes we have got away with it but the attachments are not always in the same place in the different sizes.

[@NoirRobert]

With respect to the integrated comms, the Sena 10 and 20 are dated. I have had a 20 and now have the 30, which I like much more. 50s are now out. Integrating comms locks you into something you may not want. I absolutely do not want a 20 series (and certainly not a 10). So that rules out the Schuberth and Neotec. I'll stick with a proper full-face until the industry makes something I actually want.

[@PaulThorpeOfficial]

Noetec II by a mile.

[@ruapeterson5458]

I had a flip lid hit the ground it opened 35 stitch’s later never buy a flip lid again

[@twinklefire7241]

Whoah

[@PBear0811]

Just bought a C4 Pro and the vent noise is terrible, worse than my old modestly priced HJC. How they can get away with selling a helmet that bad at that price is mind boggling. Schuberth should be prosecuted for false and misleading advertising and their dealers should be ashamed! It's fresh and it hurts, what can I say.

[@Motolegends]

The C4 Pro is emphatically not a noisy helmet. If it has a fault with the vents, take it back to the dealer you bought it from. The helmet has a five year warranty. They will hopefully be able to repair it. I don’t really understand why somebody in your position would take to social media to air their grievances. If I buy a car and I am unhappy with it, I go back to the garage. It seems to me to be more productive than venting one’s spleen in the blogosphere. I am not quite sure what you hope to achieve with your attack on the C4 Pro. What you write is nothing more than your personal opinion; it is not borne out by our experience, and that of the hundreds of customers we have sold this helmet to. Better to direct your energies towards solving the problem. You’ll stand a better chance of improving the situation than you will be leaving abuse on KZbin.

[@PBear0811]

@@Motolegends Nicely put. I did go back to the dealer who tested the helmet themselves and agreed with me regarding vent noise. It may have been a manufacturing fault but I doubt it. I did a Google search for "C4 Pro vent noise" and found others who experienced the same issue. It therefore leads one to believe it's a design fault, or the manufacturer has a quality control issue, either is not great. There also seems to be a "once worn it's yours" philosophy in the industry, some purchasers have been caught out which to me seem grossly unfair. Before you draw your poison pen, I'm not suggesting your firm is guilty of this at all. My "spleen vent" is a heads up to the consumer who often get a raw deal.

[@Motolegends]

Dear Tony, if you would like to send the helmet back to us (even though you didn't buy it from us), then we are happy to take a look at it. If you do that please let us know where it was purchased as we will need to know that.

[@PBear0811]

@@Motolegends Now that's service! You obviously care deeply about your profession and that's nice to see. I returned the helmet to the dealer I purchased it from and got a refund. They also offered good customer service and tested the helmet themselves, not sure what process they would follow from there. Hopefully this feedback gets to Schuberth who can look into it. Not sure if it's design. manufacture, or the vagaries of aerodynamics but it's a relief to know not everyone experiences the problem.

[@BrianAndresMusic]

Personally I'm not willing to allow my face to contact any surface going the "low speed" of 30mph. The only advantage I see a flip lid helmet has is OFF the bike. There are none on one that I can see.

[@Ritalie]

I was thinking that the American channels (I won't name them) that do product reviews, are just not very good at product reviews. This was a real product review. The English way of teaching, in this case, was far better. The American motorcycle and helmet reviews assume that everyone is an expert, and a race level rider.

[@nickthequick]

Not a word about weight?