A Growing Keep is Hungry - Icarus Styx Coop

[@KaedysKor]

For the biofuel composter, if you want a set-it-and-forget-it for filling cans, you need 500 sticks (5 stacks) and 100 tree sap (1 stack) to fully fill a can from empty. If you're so inclined, there's room for 4 cans and their associated sticks and sap in a single composter. It also takes something like 4-5 minutes to fill a can, until you can use water pipes on it. Also, on that note, a full can will fuel the drill for exactly 2 hours. Edit: Also, recommend keeping 2-4 wood ramps on your person when going mining. They're ridiculously handy for reaching those high-up mining deposits, and you can deconstruct them as usual once done.

[@matthewgillies7509]

Last month I finally decided to get this game after watching these streams. As Pav says, single player is extremely challenging, at anything above the easy start difficulty, and the level progression slows for a while. The base I started utilized wooden beams and pillars to make a wildlife fence, and I planned enough ahead to build at the intersection of three rivers, allowing me to make fancy bridges, and enabling me to use the waterwheel for power. The only change in that system, should be to allow a somewhat 18th and 19th century approach, by allowing pulleys to "activate" machinery, rather than just generating power. And rather than biofuel, I'd like the option to burn coal or wood in a steam engine to run a turbine, before the other power generating methods. A windmill to run a water pump, much like what you see on a farm, would also be a welcome game addition. And then there's the matter of charcoal kilns....

[@ispbrotherwolf]

That cave by the "Castle" is funny. It is dark outside, but sunny inside the cave

[@martinopellizzari3955]

Remember to build an outhouse into your perimeter wall. For the true medieval experience!😂

[@Flipsie]

Lol

[@zzzires5045]

Is that directly into capacs farm for the fertiliser?

[@lordsherifftakari4127]

any Stone Left? seems a stream involving the ZM crew may be in order to hammer out the mission to open the north reaches and stockpile a vast supply of material resources for further construction on the keep. with a full crew at hand, protecting the Buffalo convoy won't be terribly difficult. 2-3 guards on overwatch while everybody else is chopping or mining everything in sight and loading up. also a perfect chance to unleash the true power of the ZM Moacycle Gang!

[@aurumworks]

I think one of the cheapest cloud data storage services is Amazon's Glacier Deep Archive with some $2 per TB per month. With the sheer amount of data you accumulate that still adds up. Whatever happened to 5D crystal data storage? Guess 500TB storage with medium lifetime in the millions of years sounded too good to be true.

[@Flipsie]

Yeah, it's one of those things where opportunity cost trumps data security. At least beyond my current levels of security. I've got cloud storage for photos and the like, just not my videos

[@zzzires5045]

Carrying half a tonne and still can swim up. Impressive swimming skills you have there

[@Yull-Rete]

One thing you could do with the castle, if you wanted to give it a distinctive flair, would be to only use the 1x2 ramps instead of stairs. Ladders would be fine, of course, otherwise ramps to the top of the gatehouse and any towers you make would look hideous, but for the rest of it, it could look quite interesting to continue the feel of the main approach ramp to the rest of the castle.

[@bionaraq]

Almost seems like you need to mine stone and stack it. Then go around picking it up with the cart and bison. Less bison standing around with “steak here” more gathering supplies

[@mandyspence1599]

That long silence when Capac said that you had lots of flaws!

[@seaspike40]

41:08 "this wall is thick"... wonder how many players have given up on it the first time they found it, when they didn't already know about it.

[@Flipsie]

You're right, probably more than a few

[@josh2dope]

For the “cheaty” outline on the animals during hunts there is a mod on the altercation bench for helmets. I use that for hunts. Makes it feel like I have a cool visor like the predator.

[@Flipsie]

Ah, nice to know 🙂

[@Coretalless]

As an Editor myself, i can understand the complications of editing large video files and syncing multiple cameras together to ensure that there is no desync sound or video.

[@shaneedwards596]

Capac "you got plenty of floors already" some how i see a floor in that reply though ;)

[@daveb4210]

If only the trees had respawned too! It would also be nice if you could get more skill points in solo play so you wouldn’t be as restricted in what skill paths to choose as a long term solo player. Your ability to each specialize in coop seems huge for progression.

[@Stormcrow_1]

Got to agree with you there, so I installed a mod that lets you eventually get all the skills.

[@Flipsie]

Yeah, I've never been a fan of artificial level caps in games. Give me a logarithmic scale all you want, just make it technically possible to do all the things if I want to

[@Stormcrow_1]

@@Flipsie The system they have here especially hurts solo players, even with the solo skill tree.

[@seaspike40]

I don't play the game, but from the videos, don't the saplings grow to full trees if you let them alone?

[@apljack]

Icarus has many little quirks that bug me, but I think the one thing that does the most is the encumbered system. There should at least be a variance of lightly over encumbered vs. continuing the add more to the point of simply being unable to move if massively over loaded. Could be just me though. XD

[@zzzires5045]

The dream is just for aus power to be reliable enough not to drop out all the time. Yay for wind power, never has any down time

[@jamesendsley1560]

A good battery setup and be a day or two of constant hard usage without getting it recharged

[@Flipsie]

From what I've read of the available batteries, my use level would run them dry in about 5 hours (assuming no incoming energy). Which to be fair isn't too bad, and would likely cover the majority of blackouts we get 🙂

[@MMuraseofSandvich]

After reading "Any Stone Left?" in the caption, my brain immediately said, "Dude, you sold it for a tidy profit." My brain was still thinking Farm Simulator.

[@SnowWhiteLion]

All these updates and wood still falls through the ground when chopping...

[@Stormcrow_1]

I use the auto collect skill so I don't have to see that anymore.

[@Hightowerst]

flense /flɛns/ verb gerund or present participle: flensing slice the skin or fat from (a carcass, especially that of a whale). "I flensed and butchered the whale" strip (skin or fat) from a carcass. "the skin had been flensed off"

[@TheDanlovejoy]

"now you can get all your flensing done in just 5 minutes" but i dont want to skin a whale that fast

[@ronphelps985]

Doing survival training, is really different where in the world you do it, couldn't imagined doing down under. So many crawlers 🐛 🐜 🕸 🐍 🤪

[@Zenas521]

1) It's weird that it is perpetual day in caves. 2) KZbin is drunk again, it says "0 comments" but their are eight comments, not including my own. 3) Capac shooting the block reminds me of what I go through at work concerning another employee.

[@FlakJacketActual]

Hey we Florida ppl might be prepers but we know what happens when Capac wake from the slumber down-under and come back to the sunshine state….. dunno if we could live through that again ……. I still have the eye twitch……😂

[@Flipsie]

Lol 😂

[@askjeroen]

Maybe the Thumper mechanic has something to do with the respawns of the ore deposits only. Don't think it will bring the stone back. That would explain why the stone is not back but everything else is.

[@Flipsie]

That seems likely

[@BenSuzuki]

Them moon reptiles gonna get ya

[@jasonnuhfer827]

I am glad I listen to videos with headphones now cuz I had someone say hey Google whats my location on their video any my phone picked it up and stated my location....

[@Taff-Uk]

Another good Vid, the way your going there will be no stone left on Styx ;), still would like you to try and build up and over to the Snow Zone :), just try it out of thatch

[@spaceghost5698]

Rock and Stone!

[@Stormcrow_1]

Splitise, not sure if I should thank you or curse you for getting me into playing Icarus. One of the Devs said the spawning of stone and ore nodes are different.

[@likebubba]

same here … I did it so hard I burnt out and I was playing solo lmao 😂

[@KaedysKor]

TBH, I'm not convinced that solar panels are worthwhile. The power system in Icarus is rather...unrefined. Buildings require a fixed amount of power at all times, regardless of whether they are being used or not. If the grid has insufficient power to support everything connected, buildings seem to be depowered either at random, or using arcane and difficult to determine criteria (it seems related to the order they were connected to the grid, and possibly a priority system by building type, but is is highly inconsistent, and seems to change when the game is reloaded). In most cases, a depowered building will not turn itself back on when grid power is against sufficient, requiring you to manually go turn it back on. As an example, let's say you have biofuel generator and a solar panel (which was my initial setup), each of which provide 5000 power (solar only when the sun is on it, obviously). Let's say you add to that a Water Pump (1000 power), a Material Processor (2500), and an Electric Furnace (2500). When the sun goes down, one of those 3 will deactivate. In my experience, it was usually either the Material Processor or the Electric Furnace. When the sun comes back up, that building will not automatically turn back on. For the Furnace, you have to go access it and flip the toggle to turn it on again, and in the case of the Material Processor, I found that I could only get crafting to resume by clearing the crafting queue and re-adding everything to it again. That gets worse as you add more power-costing buildings, like a fridge or deep freezer and the various electrical versions of work benches (the benches I eventually just discarded in favor of the unpowered ones instead). This same thing happens with the Electric Deep Drill, if it gets tripped off due to insufficient power, you have to walk back out to it and turn it on again for it to resume drilling. I set one up, got annoyed with it, and swapped back to a normal Biofuel one. It's a third slower, but will consistently drill for exactly 120 minutes before it runs out of fuel. I actually just took down my solar panel and replaced it with multiple biofuel generators instead. If near a river, you can use a water wheel, but those _also_ have to be maintained by clearing the junk out of them every ~3 hours, and they only provide 40% as much power as a biofuel generator anyway. The biofuel generator will empty a fuel can in just over 4 hours, which then requires 90 wood to refill, or around half a tree. I found that solar simply wasn't worth it purely because of how much manual effort was required to ensure things gracefully degraded at night and turned back on in the day.

[@likebubba]

kind of interested in joining Flips’ stream cause I wanna hear him talk about how Icarus can feel lived in more because getting burnt out on this imo is pretty qui k

[@Flipsie]

I'm fortunate in that regard, in that I've played about 95% of my time in game in co-op which helps a lot. It helps in Minecraft, in space engineers, in all of these open world construction survival games. I wish more game Devs tried to make NPCs to interact with, even non human ones like animals with more complex behaviour, because even that helps you feel less isolated, more connected

[@jetownsend1]

I'm not in chat, but I have two kids in diapers, and I would love to see you sponsored by a diaper company.

[@ShadowlessNevermore]

you have so many blueprint points what you going to use them for?

[@Flipsie]

Not sure, that's why I hoard them 😂

[@Jazzious88]

On the note of AI, explain to me why everyone know how dangerous our up and coming AI overlords are, and yet we are rushing headlong towards the evitability. Think we should be, at minimum going at a leisurely walk instead? Food for thought

[@Flipsie]

The challenge with any potentially society overhauling change through technology is that even if you agree to take it slow, who's to say the other guy will? While it would be best to cautiously approach these things, that question pushes even the cautious toward reckless abandon in pursuit of being first.

[@johnchiz54]

you said you have only really seen Dad's own up to being in streams, my partner likes to watch your content to calm our babies and as such is a lurker and doesn't participate in chat. so the moms are there but they aren't always awake when "watching"

[@Flipsie]

lol I hoped the mums were there too :D

[@axeell92]

This stream was sponsored by R*** Shadow L***nds 😂

[@Flipsie]

🤢🤮

[@KaedysKor]

RE the advanced fertilizer, they're absolutely and unquestionably downgrades. Not only are they crazy expensive (1 regular fertilizer plus 5 Silicon or Sulfur each), but they provide _less_ bonus in total. The basic fertilizer provides +15% growth speed and yield, for +32.5% total increase to crops per time period. The advanced each provide +50% to one of those two stats, and -25% to the other, which is a net total of...+12.5%. You straight up get less crops per time period using the advanced fertilizer versus the basic. I think _maybe_ an argument could be made for the one that increases yield and slows speed, if you're not good at checking your crops regularly, because slower growth means less crops wasted to not growing at max growth before harvested, but overall they're just not even remotely worth it, imo. Frankly, the chemistry bench itself isn't even worth it, imo, since the advanced fertilizers are the _only_ things it can make that the standard herbalism bench, material processor, and kitchen counter cannot make (which, btw, the tier 3 kitchen counter can make several things the tier 4 one cannot, because they were moved to the chemistry bench, namely the various tonics. So I also don't really recommend upgrading to the tier 4 marble kitchen counter either).

[@Flipsie]

That's a bit disappointing, I wonder if it's actually worse or if they messed up the descriptions, either way that sounds like something that should really be fixed

[@KaedysKor]

@@Flipsie I've not tested them directly, tbh. I read the description, did some quick math, and just discarded the Chem bench entirely as a waste. >.< I wouldn't be surpassed if it's legit like that, though. There's a number of things like that in Icarus. Crop plots are a great example, the cost of a single Hydroponics plot is astronomical compared to the fact that _at best_ it is the equivalent of two super cheap wooden plots, or 4 wooden plots of you don't bother to water the wood ones by hand (since that's super tedious, and it's only a 50% growth penalty for not being watered, rather than stopping growth entitling). The upgrade pathway in Icarus is often _wildly_ more expensive than it is beneficial.

[@jamesendsley1560]

If you have enough solar you probably get them couple wind turbines Ridgid battery controller regulator system will be able to keep it going on top of your regular Powerline use