Florida Legalizes Medical Discrimination - The Protection of Medical Conscience Act Becomes Law

[@nurseadrianern]

This is the most dangerous type of law. It’s 💯 unethical and unprofessional. I’m curious how these idiotic laws intersect with CMS??

[@NurseLiz]

Agreed. It's baffling that it was so well received.That's definitely going to be something to watch - how CMS responds to the whole thing. It's already super difficult to find care with Medicaid, and I imagine this will make it so much harder.

[@angel-ij4xv]

​@@NurseLiz love your KZbin videos

[@Gypsygirl9]

​@@NurseLizwhat is CMS please?

[@rosestainedglass]

What is CMS?

[@nurseadrianern]

@@rosestainedglass Centers for Medicaid & Medicare Services- the feds

[@washyourdishes6578]

The question is are you allowed to have philosophical or religious convictions and be a medical provider. Florida says yes.

[@princesslulu5795]

So does the United States Constitution

[@jenny_loves_stitch]

As someone who’s witnessed providers sending letters to patients who refuse to follow their medical advise to let them know they won’t provide care anymore this sounds very similar,except without even having to take someone as a patient. Healthcare is confusing enough as it is for patients just now another thing to throw in the pot of where can I go to get healthcare .

[@NurseLiz]

Yeah it definitely is going to cause way more people to lose access to care, and we already have a huge issue with that :(

[@sunlight4169]

First, do no harm ??

[@NurseLiz]

They don't find that particular statement very freeing apparently

[@SellyNue]

@Sunlight Healthcare providers break this oath ALL THE TIME! I had a J-tube placed a month ago today. The surgeon started in slicing and dicing, I was NOT numb and screamed bloody murder for the majority of it, until the harmful Anesthesiologist got his butt back in MY OR room to put me under general. This was NOT emergency surgery, trauma, or anything critical that was stopping them from waiting 15 minutes to get the harmful doctor back in my OR room to knock me out. The surgeon knew I could feel it. I addressed it at my follow-up and he was TOTALLY unapologetical! And he gave one of the worst "reasons" (excuses) for his psychotic behavior. "Do no harm" is out and doctors and other providers don't even have to take it anymore. Its optional. I'm not saying I support this law, I'm just telling you of my most recent trauma caused by the hands of a surgeon. I could go on endlessly, as I have multiple rare medical conditions and I am refused basic care, referrals, and meds, just because of my diagnosis' regularly! See sick people are the ones who actually have a finger on the pulse of the system. If you want to know how well it is or isn't working, ask the sickest person you know. Not providers. Not insurance. And certainly not the government.

[@commonsense6967]

That includes no harm to the providers' conscience, moral beliefs, religion, etc.

[@sunlight4169]

@@SellyNue I am truly sorry for all that you have endured. I know the pain of surgery that is permanently life altering in a very bad way.

[@SellyNue]

@@sunlight4169 Thank you! And I'm sorry that you understand.

[@anastaciamuratov2896]

When healthcare professionals don’t believe in what they’re doing, they don’t provide adequate and necessary care. Whether you like it or not it’s better to have a better provider than to stay with one who will never give you the care you deserve anyways.

[@MNP208]

on’t believe in unnecessary antibiotic use, yet I sometimes have to administer them. If I refuse, I would lose my job or be placed somewhere to strictly answer phones.

[@NurseLiz]

It's gross that we accept the poor levels of care across the board, and this makes it worse :(

[@commonsense6967]

Exactly! These complainers are idiotic, lol. I would never want to be treated by a doctor who objected to treating me.

[@Gypsygirl9]

Help me understand..if an insurance provider sells you a policy, coverage is outlined. You pay a premium for certain "coverage" so how could they just deny coverage at random? Wouldn't they have to spell out up front what is not covered?

[@wmd40]

its the doctor not the insurance. this is before it even gets to insurance. if the doctor says NO then your insurance never gets an invoice (bill) from your doctor because they didn't treat you

[@graceandpeace8222]

This is the second of your videos I’ve watched, and the last. You claim to be all for inclusion and against discrimination. In this video you are asserting that those with convictions are just trying to get out of work or that insurance companies trying to get out of paying. Until you accept and believe that people do indeed have convictions that will not allow them to participate in abortion procedures for example, then your assertion of believing in inclusiveness’s is hypocritical. Why should anyone be forced to participate in the ending of life of the unborn? The end result of what you’re advocating for is that anyone with convictions regarding the unborn should not be permitted to work in healthcare, this position is actually advocating discrimination.

[@sandylewis8897]

Agreed. She has some good content, but as an experienced nurse, I disagree with her quite a bit. Especially on these unreasonable responses.

[@princesslulu5795]

Not to mention this would be a blatant violation of multiple longstanding federal laws and the United States Constitution (Primarily the First Amendment)

[@avarice.karmageddon]

Violations of the Hippocratic Oath on so many levels. It's hard enough for those on Medicare and Medicaid to find any provider that will take their insurance. This will negatively impact so many patients and their families lives! It's no longer patient care but hospital's bottom line, insurance and profit care nowadays.

[@annfuller9044]

...and if they are negligent in the care, they give the patient has no way of holding the practitioner accountable. People suffer period. Free pass. Malpractice is o.k. in FL

[@cherylj7460]

As in, “I didn’t agree patient needed this”. Patient dies. Sounds like this is possible.

[@jkrieger2595]

Happy to see you back at it doing the people's work of unearthing the facts around healthcare trouble spots.

[@DrMidwife06911]

At minimum you really have to provide for referrals to other providers

[@NurseLiz]

Seriously. BARE MINIMUM. If you can't even do that, this isn't the field for you.

[@DrMidwife06911]

@@NurseLiz agreed👍

[@MNP208]

I’ve seen the opposite… unnecessary referrals placed to generate income.

[@hadleyGo9890]

​@@MNP208yes or really needed referral and doctors to busy even if you drove three hours to your appointment

[@hugsluv]

I had to make the decision after coming from an ER & only having a very small amounts of heath care providers that did not discriminate against me. To just work on my heath on my own. Discrimination is real & many different people are affected by it. If I would’ve gotten the proper help I need I could’ve gotten the access to really start living along time ago. I am blessed to have that option now. I’m just fed up with the underlying mess in these systems that leave people out in the dust.

[@isaiahreno]

I live in Florida, and I just hope that when this plays out in the real world that patients won't be deprived of the care they need 😬

[@NurseLiz]

While I appreciate the optimism, patients will absolutely be denied care. The comment section so far proves that.

[@MNP208]

I can’t speak for FL, but I work for a very large system in the Midwest. I can’t see them allowing refusal of referrals.

[@hugsluv]

It’s already going on, now making it legally makes it easier to get away with.

[@jazzyj6640]

It’s a,ready been happening. That’s the reason why so many black women die while giving birth.

[@knox1044]

I’m not for abortion except under extreme circumstances. I believe in gender swaps, if patient is 21 or older. Cannot smoke, drink, go to bar/casino etc due to immaturity, should also need to wait for life long body altering surgeries. Here in Oregon, 15 year olds can elect for surgery without parental consent or knowledge and the state will help pay for it. That to me is as unacceptable and crazy as this Florida bill is. This bill is waaay to broad and should never have been passed. There are too many outs in patient care when you now have three branches of separate opinions in which any of them could deny care on a whim. That’s a scary thing and I hope it doesn’t happen in more states

[@commonsense6967]

Transgender surgery on minors and the prescription of puberty blockers to minors is illegal in FL. This is as it should be.

[@cherylj7460]

Very helpful! Thank you Liz!

[@matthewives3933]

So I could get a job at the VA, and flat out refuse to work with anyone there who is disabled? And I can't get fired or punished in any way? OK i'll just sit and read a book all day and get paid while others suffer. *rolls eyes* I thought the whole idea of healthcare was to help people?

[@commonsense6967]

You didn't listen to the law. "Deeply held moral or religious belief" , as pertaining to such things as abortion, transgender genital mutilation surgery, etc. no doubt.

[@larriveeman]

Oh science like the Covid vaccines

[@MyPMHNPJourney]

Thanks for taking the time to give us you opinion on this topic. You videos are always well researched! 😊

[@germyw]

What is WRONG with this man?? You can’t discriminate concerning healthcare.

[@thenursescott]

DeSantis is breaking Florida. This law is reprehensible. The moral beliefs of providers need to be respected, but they have to REFER patients to someone who can help! Of course, you know the old saying, "In a democracy, people get the government they deserve." VOTE!

[@NurseLiz]

Dang you’re up early! And exactly this. Sadly I think most people in Florida did want this 😫

[@DrMidwife06911]

Be careful what you ask for… You might get it

[@DrMidwife06911]

What’s the average? Be careful what you ask fir….You might get it.

[@commonsense6967]

DeSantis is the best governor FL has ever had, and this new law is fair and constitutional, whether you like it or not.

[@norahlia4575]

This was intended to ensure protection for medical neglect of trans people, and it has the downside of hurting a lot of other people too… this is a hell scape for any trans people in Florida. Yikes.

[@commonsense6967]

Please explain how you think this could ever ensure protection for trans people?! More likely, it coordinates well with the new FL law that outlaws providing transgender mutilation surgery or puberty blockers on minors, on penalty of provider losing medical license and doctor going to prison.

[@norahlia4575]

@@commonsense6967 I love you darling, but I said “ensure protection for MEDICAL NEGLECT OF TRANS PEOPLE”

[@Fht9]

“You are not better than anyone, and nobody is better than you

[@cherylj7460]

Insurance companies as well? Is this legal?

[@growthstateofmind]

Why would a provider prescribe something they don’t believe in? Let the people vote with their dollars $

[@commonsense6967]

Exactly! That's a no-brainer!

[@darcykamin1111]

And what about all the drs who are discharging patients from their practice because they decline vaccines????? What about that?

[@NurseLiz]

I don’t think that’s appropriate either. Medical discrimination has a lot of forms.

[@ga6589]

Perhaps those doctors are concerned for their own health, as well as those of their other patients visiting their clinics. My husband is a cancer patient at the Mayo Clinic and he has a compromised immune system. I appreciate the measures that they've taken during the pandemic and at any time to protect all their patients and medical personnel.

[@commonsense6967]

@@NurseLizBut the difference there is that's a patient declining "treatment", not a doctor refusing to give it.

[@MNP208]

I always mistook your catastrophizing as snarkiness! 😂😂😂 Great topic. It infuriated me that certain nurses could choose not to administer Covid vaccines to children (placing the burden on the rest of us). Now I know why.

[@NurseLiz]

I think all snarkiness is mental illness wrapped in a cute bow hahaha.

[@commonsense6967]

You should have done the same!

[@o2bender24]

I had to provide health care to a patient that used what little breath he was capable of mustering up to call me the n-word over and over again. Since then I’ve been called the n-word multiple times by patients and due to Respiratory staff shortages at our hospital, I had no other choice but to provide services. I wonder if that bill covers such a situation.

[@NurseLiz]

I'm really sorry you experienced that :(

[@RawrDinosaurgrr]

As a nurse I’ve been called every filthy name you can think of. I’ve been punched tripped bitten had hot coffee and cold drinks to my face. Do YOU think of yourself as an N word? When you react to a mentally deficient calling you that, you join that deficient in their disordered mind. As an old nurse I tell you, feel pity and walk away from the situation. You are a professional be proud and walk tall. ( they’re going to die, the ONE in charge is waiting for them.

[@cbl6520]

This whole rant is just one big straw-man/slippery slope/just in case fallacy and completely misconstrues what the main purpose of the bill is for, which is to uphold people’s right to not be coerced into what would otherwise be considered indentured servitude (something that the 13th amendment protects against), based on one’s personal conscious. Compelling people to provide a service will not suddenly make them benevolent, it will only make them resentful and more likely to provide low quality care. Also, aside from eyewitness/anecdotal testimony (which is not evidence) what proof do you have that they will discriminate as you claim, that isn’t utter hyperbole and fear mongering?

[@thesecondopinion8437]

This is absolutely terrifying!

[@lizrod63]

What state you live now is it better from nc

[@sarahlxxxiv]

Florida has a lot of horrible stuff coming down the pike. Let’s just hope their governor doesn’t become our president. 😢

[@karenswartz8280]

This very issue presented itself this past week, within my own family. I live in Ohio, and don’t know what the law is here.. I do know, from my many years in nursing, that, when I worked in the hospital, there were physicians who would look at the face sheet on new consults, and if they were Medicare or Medicaid, they would refuse the consultation. Last week, my nephew took his aunt to a new doctor for an appointment. My nephew is a convicted felon, for a crime of a sexual matter, who served his time, and his probation, and went through therapy and rehabilitation, not to mention this was a number of years ago. One of the office personnel recognized him, and knew of his past, went to the doctor and told him, and they then told the aunt they were not going to accept her as a patient in their practice. They provided her with no referrals either.

[@aloras405]

This law is disastrous. People are going are die because of this. I am disgusted. They do not actually care about people.

[@NurseLiz]

Agreed :(

[@michellepellegrini1271]

That’s a lie. If you honestly believe that every single health care provider in florida would do this then something is wrong with your thoughts. I would add, this is happening all over the United States right now! Our veterans get treated like dirt! Wake up !

[@commonsense6967]

Yes, they care; they care about their providers' mental health and well-being, and respect the rights of individuals to not violate their own consciences.❤ THAT is true humanity.

[@aloras405]

@@commonsense6967 No they do not. If you cannot put your patients well being over your own religious ideals, you do not belong in healthcare. You cant do something, fine, but refer the patient to someone who can and will. Now, providers don't even have to give a referral. They are completely taking away THE PATIENTS right to decide what is best for THEMSELVES. This gives not only doctors the pass for not providing needed care but insurance companies can now deny care. It will come down to money. they will say they don't believe in it, and therefore won't have to cover anything they want. Insurance companies already deny anything that they can get away with. This will only make it worse. So no, they don't care about THE PATIENT. The patient is who healthcare should be about. If you can't handle doing what needs to be done, get out of healthcare. I have a friend who was a paramedic. She was called to a situation where a man had just shot his wife and 6 year old daughter. The daughter died while she was working on her. She then went over to save the life of the man. Why? because it was her job. She doesn't get to decide who lives or dies. SHE ISN"T GOD. Her job is to do the best she can for the patient. Cant handle trying to save the life of the man who just killed his wife and daughter, GET OUT OF HEALTHCARE, Can't order an abortion to save the life of the mother, GET OUT OF HEALTHCARE.

[@aloras405]

@@commonsense6967 If someone is Jehovah's witness and they decide that giving a blood transfusion is against their beliefs, they can decide, nope, that patient isn't going to get blood. Can't handle giving a blood transfusion because it goes against your religious beliefs, GET OUT OF HEALTHCARE. The patient comes first above everything. Even your own personal religious views because not everyone shares your religion. It is unethical to force your beliefs onto others. I say again, if someone cannot handle putting the wellbeing of the patient over their own religious views, they do not belong in healthcare.

[@DrMidwife06911]

😳🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@NurseLiz]

exactly lol. Weird alternate universe world at this point.

[@nissahauer4309]

They also kicked people of insurance. Including a 7 year old in cancer remission

[@NurseLiz]

Thats horrifying :(

[@pootsiefooter23]

I feel like I’m calling bullshit on this one. Do you have any sources to prove that they can do this? Denial of treatment is one thing. If they are doing this then I’d love to see that.

[@RosesVengeance]

This seems very unconstitutional to me.

[@pushbodypushmind]

Anything health care related is horrible in Florida! 🎉

[@commonsense6967]

Not so. I live here, though all healthcare, everywhere, is best avoided these days.

[@nicholeknight1893]

Florida is a hot mess state

[@NurseLiz]

That’s putting it kindly

[@michellepellegrini1271]

You’re right and the people that keep moving here are making it worse along with all the traveling staff.

[@commonsense6967]

Only because we're getting bombarded with escapees from the blue Marxist states.

[@PeterJ_88]

Only a matter of time before a clinic puts up a sign on the door saying "No LGBTQ+ patients" or something along those lines. How very sad.

[@commonsense6967]

Sad for the provider who treats transgender kids with puberty blockers or genital mutilation surgery in FL, too. Lose their license, and the prison door will hit them where the Good Lord split them, hahaha...😊

[@tugger]

legalizing eugenics, essentially florida is speedrunning the fascist meta

[@NurseLiz]

for real. I'd like to get off the ride now

[@commonsense6967]

Quite the opposite of eugenics, and the opposite of fascism. Fascism would undoubtedly require providers to violate their consciences, and eugenics is a Marxist movement since its inception.

[@bunneywolf]

Their views should be apparent before accepting new patients. It should be mandatory for them to give a disclaimer on what they do and do not participate in so patients have a choice in who they do and don't go to. Why? Because for every law, there is a loophole. A patient can sue on the basis of false advertising.

[@jazzyj6640]

Floribama

[@debbiehorton17]

There are so many parts of this that just are terrible.

[@NurseLiz]

It feels fake to be honest.

[@westberry1]

I love this Law because I am a Christian and my believes is that God created us both male and female so if I get a patient who is gay I can refuse to care for that patient if I want. I am not going to participate in a delusion that you are born a male and now you are a female and I am not calling a male. I love this Law keep up the good work governor.

[@NurseLiz]

But that’s your belief. Not theirs. Patients should be allowed referrals and healthcare just because they don’t believe in the same thing as you. Nobody is forcing healthcare providers to provide care they don’t want to provide. But you should still help get the patients where they need to go.

[@westberry1]

@@NurseLiz No that is truth.

[@NurseLiz]

@@westberry1 it is not objective truth. It’s true to you. Science disagrees with your truth. Doesn’t mean you can’t hold that truth, but harming others due to your beliefs is not the vibe jesus would love

[@westberry1]

@@NurseLiz it’s the only truth, but why am I arguing with a fool?

[@NurseLiz]

@@westberry1 don’t know but I appreciate the engagement!

[@jamie5mauser]

We’re now feelings based, not evidence based 🫣

[@NurseLiz]

Not loving the "who needs science" approach we seem to be taking

[@theonetruesarauniya]

​@@NurseLiz People are so quick to bash on medicine, science and true care until it becomes their turn. It's sick and sad.

[@commonsense6967]

Certain vaccines are "feelings" based, not evidence based. And you know which ones I'm referring to.

[@joerecto420]

Hi there Nurse Liz, I really like your content; it's on point and very informative👏 🤍. Do you have a biz' mail and are you open for feedback? I just want to share my thoughts regarding on your videos if that's okay with you.