FLOWCHART - What does it mean in Fighting Games?

[@jooper2861]

G flowchart: are they acting like they won’t get command grabbed? Yes: command grab. No: command grab.

[@gabriels5290]

are you a shoto player by any chance?

[@Orpheeus97]

-Smuggles

[@SaltyKeldion]

When you do jump to avoid the grab, you get smoked by standing heavy punch. Every. Time.

[@awwnuts07]

The "no mixup mixup" is a staple of fighting game strategy.

[@lordbasketboi9998]

ACTIN LIKE YOUWONT GET COMMAND GRABED

[@michaelrogers6404]

BrianF's content creation flowchart: Find a Bronze or rookie player complain about something dumb that they know nothing about -> break down why they're stupid and dumb line by line -> upload -> profit -> repeat.

[@SJNaka101]

Pretty strong flowchart, not gonna lie

[@anotherinternetperson8495]

Tbf it's how we learn I'm silver now :)

[@RichterBelmont2235]

That Ken flowchart pic was legendary. decades later and the guideline still holds true.

[@laughingseal2282]

At bronze kens still play that way. With the random full screen tatsu sprinkled.

[@bestboyfreddy7105]

Not gona lie I found that flow chart after my first hour of playing and payd with it ever since (only played 20 hours)

[@paulc7400]

@@bestboyfreddy7105 its not something you should really emulate but it'll work for low level players. Its something that naturally happens to lower level players with abuseable moves and being "flowchart" is more of an insult. You don't really learn to play the game and just stick to that pattern.

[@naquan59]

I'm in high gold and kens still do this shit.

[@rey2103]

@@laughingseal2282 and proceed to ex dp right after it gets blocked

[@Chanse1989]

We're just not gonna talk about how the flowchart at 8:15 has "damn block spammers" lmfao

[@idk72.]

I play db fighterz and that's true, most low ranks don't know how to attack low or grab

[@funkyflunky9882]

As you were going through the Ken flowchart, I could feel Ken’s theme swell up within my heart of hearts. I like to think I’ve improved, but I know that somewhere deep inside my soul, Flowchart Ken is ready and waiting.

[@an00bis99]

Wow I was gonna try and search up what Flowcharting meant because I kept hearing it in your videos but look what I found! Lucky me.

[@marcopolo2028]

he is wrong this is not flow charting. He just showed examples of the decision making of a bad player. There actual good flow charts. A flow chart is supposed to end your decision in your favor, safely, or in a mixup. Usually they start with block strings that end safely, then frame traps, high low, options, ect. He is wrong. I can even show you an example of a good flow chart if you want.

[@bacchus9389]

@@marcopolo2028 I’m not the person you replied to but I’m getting into fighting games and would like to see your example of a good flow chart.

[@goon5665]

@@bacchus9389 basic example for fighterZ You are kid buu Are you in neutral? If yes Where is the opponent? If ground then you could 2m for low Did it hit? If no then read next. If yes combo Did they press buttons after If so which ones Super dash? Command grab into combo. Vanish? Check if you can act If yes then 2H If no then vanish. No bar? Block it and block their mix.

[@awwnuts07]

Sadly, I can only play about 1.5-2 hrs of "quality" matches before my brain turns to mush and I start flowcharting. Once I notice that happening, it's time to stop for the night.

[@theSHELFables]

Am I about to die?->no-> WE GOIN IN Tbh this is good life advice

[@HanMasho]

Woolie's DBFZ flowchart is pretty on point. In his honor, I made a Woolie flowchart for character selection. Is there an overpowered boss character? if yes: pick that character, if no: Is there a green beast-man/nature-man character? If yes: pick that character, if no: Is there a character who's basically Vergil? If yes: pick that character, if no: pick the tomboy.

[@marcopolo2028]

Thats not an actual flow chart or a flow chart at all

[@cactuz116]

@@marcopolo2028 u must be fun at parties 😐

[@an00bis99]

Also I'm loving these reaction and analysis videos. Keep at it!

[@trashcanonabench7199]

Yo Brian Ive been playing Fantasy Strike recently and, since im in the low ranks, a lot of players do "random" aproaches all the time, and your advice on how to beat them has helped a lot in beating them!

[@tylercafe1260]

There's a battle in an anime called Hunter x Hunter where this one opponent has over 1,000 moves at his disposal but the other opponent is resilient and reactive. He kept knocking him away with a bunch of different combinations but he was counting his moves and he noticed that even though his opponent has 1,000 moves he naturally relied on certain moves more than others and an opponent who could answer virtually answer every attack couldn't because of his habits over powering his potential. It's a really well done fight

[@KingJinzo2125]

That’s the Netero vs Meurem fight, and it’s probably the best fight in the entire show, with the only one that could compete is the Killua vs Youpi fight, and it ironically also follows a flow chart. Did youpi breathe? If yes, beat him with auto combos. If not, beat him with auto combos

[@lt1915]

Perfect, a BrianF vid for when I’m ready to eat lunch.

[@rodrigo6908]

Lmao exactly same

[@dree7211]

You like to shimmy pretty often on someone pressured in a corner, that’s definitely not easy to beat but is a big part of your flow chart. It’s like visual ASMR when I watch you do it successfully and when it doesn’t work it’s like feeling a sneeze coming but it doesn’t happen.

[@kingstongreen6041]

Nice breakdown my friend... You and Core-A Gaming should collab in a series on fighting game lingo. Call it Spamish 101 lol

[@freeserfgc]

The music choice on the Vega match is sick

[@sputnikdx]

Genuinely want BrianF behind the desk offering post game analysis at professional events.

[@zonk834]

ken: -2move into exdp

[@Shremls]

why do they do that -_-

[@lorenzobarchiesi2058]

@@Shremls It's the day one mix-up, -2 move into dp or into grab

[@anthonywoodward2027]

@@lorenzobarchiesi2058 yes! i was trying to tell one of my friends about this, I'm a bronze player and its way too common, but it actually works sometimes because at this level, not everyone has mastered execution, and then there's netcode

[@ChrisHvyMtl]

It’s usually ryu’s tho.

[@ChrisHvyMtl]

@@anthonywoodward2027 netcode has nothing to do with it working or not lmao

[@JackgarPrime]

Aaaah, the classic Ken Flowchart. That brings back good memories...

[@spman2099]

Let's face it, flowchart Guiles are remarkably effective.

[@loryugan6574]

My dad plays a flowchart guile and it’s either a really close game because I pick up on it or I get obliterated because I’m on auto pilot.

[@barakbrooks9288]

As a flowchart guile myself, I can confirm

[@triumvir021]

If you don’t understand the term, think about how punk calls a player’s predictable decionsmaking ‘bot tactics’

[@guillaumesauter]

I don't see no one mentioning it, so I wanted to tell you this : your music choices are great ! Really sets the mood for the video :)

[@noticeme6412]

there is a melty blood flowchart for Nero: all options eventually lead to HOOAAA(aka jC)

[@schmoopDJ]

lol yes

[@KTSamurai1]

honestly, flowcharting is the first step to learning fighting games. how can you start to figure things out if you dont have a set number of things to do in given situations without being utterly overwhelmed?

[@SJNaka101]

Yeah but you kinda wanna flowchart on a micro level, i.e. punishing a specific move like DP on block. It's bad to flowchart your entire gameplan as though you are playing a single player game.

[@KTSamurai1]

@@SJNaka101 right but im saying at the very newest level that's asking too much of a new player. giving them one option for each common contingency (what do i do when they jump at me? what do i do when they throw a fireball? etc) is more than enough for them to get acclimated to the game and eventualy get to the point you're talking about, where you have different answers to different problems

[@marcopolo2028]

you are completely right. I don't know what this man is talking about. He should've showed an actual flow chart. Instead he just showed a meme flow chart that is not even a flow chart. It just outlined the decisions of a bad player. An actual flow chart cover things like safe block strings, optimal on hit combos, on block mix ups, ect.

[@Mugen123456789]

Bryan acknowledged that good flowcharts exist in the video. When the FGC uses the term it refers to the bad habit of sticking to a rigid unchanging gameplan no matter what is happening to you. That is the opposite of how you grow in a fighting game. Now that being said, people who complain/cry about flow charts are basically just venting salt because they got hit by it lol. Ever try to condition/read an opponent and they just continuously make the same decision? That's a flowchart player. This is how the term has been used in FGC for years and that meme he posted (meme as in something NOT to be taken seriously) represents that. We all had to 'flowchart' at some point before we knew about changing up our decision making mid match no one is saying you're an idiot or a bad person for doing that. They're just saying that you are, for that time period, a bad player. Try not to take it so literally, it's more like slang in this context than anything else. 1:28

[@marcopolo2028]

@@Mugen123456789 What you're describing is a "flow chart ken" not flow charting the two things should not be confused. Also a flow chart doesn't just cover initial decision it covers mid match as well. It covers all decisions you can make with you're character's limited movelist. cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/513521092451631104/764632409177718794/Hit_Blockstring_Flowchart_v1.2.png ^That is an example of an actual flow chart in terms of the fgc. Being predictable is not the same as flow charting at all. If you don't flow chart you're probably a bad player because you don't know your optimal options well most likely compared to someone who flow charts their character and their MU. In fact that is how you learn match ups against good players by learning their flow chart. That is also why shimmying and staggering is a thing because these are usually things that operate outside of a flow chart all though those are covered in flow charts as well now. The problem is that people are confusing the joke term "Flow chart ken" with flow charting. Those are to different things. If you entered the fgc from sfiv I understand why you might think that but thats just not what flow charting is at all. A set up is a flow chart, a proper mix is a flow chart, a hit confirm is a, you guessed it, flow chart.

[@lucasgarcia4193]

The more hours I play without having a break, the more flowcharty I tend to get.

[@LukeHazel]

Aye this my first comment ever but someone give this man a fucking raise no cap we apprecite you alot my boy from the 317

[@Dokurofan]

Just Type "Good Morning, Mister Masters " on youtube and have fun

[@_amanojaku]

Bardock's flowchart is really simple: You dead? Yes: Fucking lag! No: Autocombo

[@RRJJGGBB]

As a Ken main, I agree to the flowchart presented.

[@aboodtayeh7705]

11:20 this also happens against Urien, people forget that G relies on levels so they let him stand up for a bit of extra damage or a mix up and it mostly doesn't pay off

[@Chowder0440]

Brian pulling pretty good numbers. Mad respect

[@bogartskim]

Brian upload?? Pog

[@VanchiLopez]

Lets goooo

[@newage4268]

With the limited options available to each character I think you could always boil down a playstyle to a flow chart, however complicated it may be or however it might change depending on the MU. Obviously you need to adapt when faced with something you haven’t seen before or something unexpected but people who know their stuff are going to know their options in a given situation going in and respond accordingly, playing to their character’s strengths and their opponent’s weaknesses. I think it’s a very odd jab to call someone a flowcharter. Either you’re winning and they need to adapt meaning they just need to develop that flowchart a bit further or you’re losing to an implied brain dead method of play despite playing from a flowchart of your own.

[@kevingriffith6011]

Most of the time when people call someone out for being "flowcharty" it's more that they're calling their opponent out for not adapting to a situation. If you can identify your opponent's flowchart you can start hard reading their moves before they come out, because "every time this Ken jumps back, he throws a fireball". A flowchart player will see that it's not working and *keep doing it anyway*. You can still have a flowchart and be a capable player, in fact the micro-level strategy of fighting games is best left as a pre-planned series of moves while you commit your brain to the macro level strategy and adapting to your opponent, but you shouldn't let the flowchart take over your game.

[@BrickBreakerXX]

I play DBFZ with my friend and literally when I have 3 bars I just wait until he inevitably super dashes at me and do raw level 3. But I do have a flowchart of > Super Dash > He blocked > He did not punish > Dragon Rush! Somehow it seems to work more than fail but he just needs more practice.

[@jelle1265]

*down heavy's"

[@marcorodriguez8792]

2:20 damn. I felt like I was back in grade school

[@Madeyoulook123]

Add flowchart to 2 bar laggy connections and you got a Mexi-Ken

[@rapha2028]

mk11 scorpion flowchart: FIGHT! - TELEPORT AMPLIFY - Did it hit? - Yes - COMBOS - Repeat from "TELEPORT AMPLIFY" until... - Did I win? - Yes - Reset OR OR No - uhh...-TRY IT AGAIN-Repeat from "TELEPORT AMPLIFY" No - Oof OR - (extra) - Is my Fatal Blow Ready? - Yes - USE IT IF I'M CLOSE! DO COMBOS ANYWAY - Repeat from "TELEPORT AMPLIFY" until... - (look above)

[@FireballLegend]

Is there a brian_f music playlist out there, I need it so bad!

[@an00bis99]

Check the description in his videos. He has a pastebin for the music used in every video.

[@Clickstop24]

lmfao that big brain brain age music while Brian is analysing the situation and expecting to see VT2 for it all to just come down to a jump in

[@lucaseggers2125]

Brian_F upload. Pog.

[@amesorisu]

The chart gave me a headache. I must be getting whiplash from remembering getting hit by all of this.

[@CablixMoreWow]

If a murder happens down in your street while you're streaming the police can use your webcam footage for evidence

[@Lagow_EX]

That Delphino Plaza OST is riding. Turn that shit up.

[@DEATHRAGE157]

Soul calibur noob player flowchart: Attack, did it hitted? Yes! Attack again. Attack, did hitted? No, hold guard.

[@thebigcheese5536]

Flowchart Ken is just really simplified set play right? Why are people getting so mad at their opponent if they're the one who got outplayed. Their opponent still had to put in some effort to read/react to them. If you know the opponents frame data or can react, then they'll have to change their play style during the match, or according to the flowchart: keep shoryukening. Don't blame the player, blame yourself

[@thailsoliverhotmail]

I will only accept that G is fair If you say the same about Gief. Nice vid man, the content keep improving, I'm really happy for you!

[@mak3awish124]

That song starting at 9:32.....I need that in my life. I haven't listened to dubstep in awhile now but that pique my interest pretty hard there. What's that song plz?

[@des6801]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/eXutaqGOoMmBp5I

[@des6801]

Your welcome

[@mak3awish124]

@@des6801 Thanks a bunch :)

[@Josh-Yu]

the dbfz flowchart feels like DIRECT ATTACK on me

[@PomadaGaming]

6:18 very true,i agree. People that flowchart can’t always be easy to beat. Good distinction 6:36 yep. Yep yep yep

[@PomadaGaming]

7:12 real. I’m kinda suffering from this rn ngl. Good watch this is now again

[@JozefLucifugeKorzeniowski]

The type of shoryu (L,M, or H) does not need to be specified. Ken players know there's really only one.

[@iceloveanime]

Man smash has so many flowchart characters sometimes i wonder why i still play every so often.

[@valueduser2746]

How comparable is flowcharting to autopilot? Asking for a casual.

[@David_Onyx]

Did I learn something today? No. Seriously? Yes

[@shrikelet]

G: putting the "fire" back in "dumpster fire" since 2018.

[@rokbmanb1017]

another great video

[@gabriels5290]

Spam G barrier against a flowchart Ken and their whole existence falls apart.

[@naquan59]

I found that zangief flowchart 7:30 and I now never lose to him and in gold. over the pass 2 day I made 3 differenet zangief ragequit/ disconnected this internet mid match.

[@corbandotson4295]

It's all about learning the matchup 😎

[@_Adie]

Fireworks Over Barcelona vs Vega? Good call.

[@PomadaGaming]

8:11 lmao i feel this one specially

[@numa2k147]

That Guile flowchart hurt me, this is why I changed main

[@niklaspfafenrot9111]

What is the difference between setplay and flowchart?

[@WatamelonUberSheep]

Flowchart A chemical engineering quiz topic that I just failed

[@Guitar-Dog]

Where's the beard dude? I like the look of "Punished Brian"

[@GuiGonJohn]

Yo! A woolie flow chart!!

[@raz3488]

blanka flowchart: FCK IT

[@bfFAN221]

Song sauce on the "ranked match" bit vs Vega?

[@agaed7676]

Pikachu edge guard flowchart hurt my soul And my ego

[@cerebralsmash5707]

Flow Chart characters imo really take the fun out of adapting to the person you are playing against. Especially with issues with netcode. Flowchart Kens are just so fucking weird and hilarious to play against lmao. Especially if you block the DP for the Fourteenth time, they’ll still do it because its their Ol’Reliable. Good stuff Brian_F

[@marcopolo2028]

that not a flow chart

[@deadfr0g]

Peewee brain: flowchart gameplan Master brain: ALL-ENCOMPASSING ALGORITHM

[@Rus4Life]

Can someone recommend a good fight stick? Something solid with a smooth gate that doesn’t feel cheap and clunky. Thx

[@LanceForLife]

Qanba drone swap in a Sanwa JLF stick have fun also focus attack dot com for parts if you want

[@schmoopDJ]

mayflash f500 is another pretty good starter stick and you can put in a sanwa jlf and buttons if you want to upgrade

[@ninjamunkey9366]

can this method be used for games such as ultimate marvel vs capcom 3

[@laegu5430]

I Tried Ken flowchart in Smash... didn't work

[@bageltoo]

the virgin reading vs The Chad “If it works, it works”

[@dariusgrappler110]

brian when does a gameplan become a flowchart then

[@yellowjacket3668]

Flowchart Ken and ryu works in smashbros

[@kosakukawajiri8222]

Hello little mac

[@DiscoMouse]

lol at “I DID NOT!”

[@DjinnShinn]

nice vid. but if i was a flow chart player how do i get past that

[@ZachHenke]

First of all, try to be mindful while you play. Slow down. Secondly, if you watch your replays, you should be able to explain why you did a move or made a movement. If you jump it should be because you thought they would be unable to anti air (read/react to a move with long recovery). If you throw out a crush counter, it should be because you know they have a tendency to buffer/poke from a certain range/timing. If you can’t explain your decisions you aren’t making any. It’s very common to see people with 20,000+ matches still be in platinum/diamond because they play this way. It’s enough for them to beat players who aren’t good at adapting but they really struggle against players who adapt quickly and players who play more reactively. A good example of adaptive play is actually in this video: after Brian punished Vega’s towards fierce with dash punch the Vega was a lot more selective about using it.

[@Freshomania]

nice

[@homemaderamen]

I fought a G today that would only jump in with HK, try hit me with a standing HK, and then sweep. Needless to say he got perfected.

[@SmallestBird]

Lowtierclown hates this

[@Cellus5000]

Anyone have a link to the game Brian was watching

[@coldblizzard5880]

Flowchart is all over MK11. Like it’s everywhere...

[@enersha]

Brian F is the Christian Bale of fighting games

[@troubledin1742]

If you dont play G flowchart, do you really play G?

[@THALL_1]

G is a fair and honourable character. Just like Zangief and Decapre in SF4 🥴

[@ivohoying7995]

My favorite part of the Ken flowchart is: Did you learn anything? Yes No Really? No.

[@noticeme6412]

good ol flowchart ken

[@Solidus_305]

I know this is a dumb question but what is an option select?

[@BrainGeniusAcademy]

Not a dumb question at all. In short, an option select is doing one input that can cause multiple different outcomes. But that's not very helpful by itself, so here is an example: In the video before this one, (titled, "I can't believe tokido did this") at about 2.5 minutes in, Brian describes a situation vs rashid: If you press a jab at a certain time, you will always beat Rashid canceling into a tornado. If he cancels, your jab comes out and interrupts the tornado. If he does not cancel, your jab doesn't happen because you are still blocking. So you always press jab, but different things can happen based on what the opponent does. Try watching that video, keeping in mind that you are doing ONE thing, but with multiple different outcomes.

[@tydissimo]

Is flowchart really a FGC term? You can apply it to much more than fighting games

[@jons9239]

I forgot about the Ken flowchart! Hahaha!

[@sonictelephone1526]

Call me a boomer if you want, but I miss the days that a couple of mates could have a couple beers, have no real clue about stuff like frame data and have a bit of fun and a laugh. Playing SF nowadays seems more like science. In short: I'm not saying I was good. Likely be a bronze or silver player if I played now. Just that you could pick up and play the game casually and have fun back then. Nowadays, not so much. It's almost a second job to "git gud".

[@brandonsellers1076]

What's the difference between flowchart and setups?

[@Brian_F]

Flowchart is an overall playstyle and usually used in a derogatory sense (sometimes there are effective high level flowcharts, but usually it's meant to describe someone not thinking). A setup is just a one time technique. A flowchart style can be made up of several setups, for example.

[@brandonsellers1076]

@@Brian_F makes sense. Next question, care to share some balrog setups?

[@Halshere_]

whats the song that plays during your matches with the vega?

[@des6801]

Tekken revolution it’s Spanish stage theme I think

[@des6801]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/eXutaqGOoMmBp5I

[@Halshere_]

thank you so much

[@juniversevi5890]

9:16 well that was a troll...

[@Ketchup_And_Rice]

Thanks to Daigo I can remove FANG off the zoning chart

[@OzymandiasFGC]

I resent that. Slander is spoken, in print it's libel.

[@cardezford2109]

i don't really understand frame traps... at all. but i hear it used a lot.

[@BrainGeniusAcademy]

All moves in the game have startup frames before they hit, right? A frame trap is when you leave a gap in your attack pressure that's JUST long enough for your opponent's move to start up, but not for it to hit you. This video on this channel is all about how to find them in training mode! kzbin.info/www/bejne/bYGoo52Cr6ZgjMU

[@crussteasock4047]

The oversimplification isnt the burden of the player. It's the games fault for being so dry. That's like complaining about ur opponent only using X or O in tic-tac-toe. There's not much to do in the game

[@ricardomiles6826]

the Ken hatred is real lol

[@corneliusrawness]

Ken players are fucking goofs

[@johnarmstrong9282]

I've concluded that all Ken players are 12 year olds

[@deep1012]

@@johnarmstrong9282 lol damn dude that's harsh 🤣🤣🤣

[@j4nky_]

I'm starting to miss mostacho brian