Flying Airplanes? EVERY FLIGHT REVIEW or Club Checkout WILL have Steep Turns. Learn to nail it.

[@scottbirchall5607]

Jason, Big shout out to you. I passed my Check ride this past week and owe part of this accomplishment to your work and dedication to aviation! Your channel was extremely helpful, Thank you and keep up the good work!

[@TheFinerPoints]

Awesome! Congrats on all your hard work, that's huge. It's great to hear we played a part - thanks for following along and helping us spread the word

[@Xeniasfreewhilly67]

Can't get enough of your videos man! Flight lesson 1 is on Tuesday! I'm gonna apply just about everything I've learned from you in terms of techniques and habits to get into. Thanks for your uploads!

[@TheFinerPoints]

Awesome! Thank you! You should check out our Ground School app (link in the description) -- we have a set of videos coming there by week's end.

[@ibgarrett]

That will be a great addition to the app. Steep turns rock.

[@Aerospace_Education]

If you do use trim you need to make sure you bring the power back and be ready to put down pressure so that it doesn’t climb on the roll out.

[@drewrodaniche1541]

Or use an Expo marker and place a small reference point on the windshield to mark level flight attitude. Look through it using monocular vision so that you see two dots. In the turn keep the lower dot on the horizon. My school is pretty dogmatic about it but it works as long as you keep your head and posture correct.

[@MarkHeckler]

"Wait a minute....that's not looking right." I literally LOLed. 😂 Another great video Jason, thanks for sharing it!

[@speedbrake]

I just did my L-39 checkout and I can confirm that steep turns were the first maneuver we did on every training flight, and were required on the checkride.

[@adambrackston3471]

I’m still working on PPL. And this is very close to what my instructor does. We trim a bit with the added power in our Cessna just to help with the amount of pull needed in the turn but when I do roll level it does require more pressure not to climb and then releasing pressure correctly to not mess up altitude. I’ve been in different Cessnas and it’s always a little bit of a learning curve with each and their controls/trim needs. Great video and I’m going to try the Ground school app it looks very well put together thanks!

[@varaddonwad9019]

Thanks for this bro, I'll pass my checkride now

[@faisalsultan892]

A subscriber of the Ground School app here! Love it. Looking forward to the videos. I like how sloooowly you did the steep turns. My problem has always been that I roll into the turn too quickly and then yank the yoke back and generally do everything too quickly... Still havent nailed my steep turns yet and my checkride is coming up in 4 weeks.

[@TheFinerPoints]

Awesome! Thank you! Your timing is great! We'll have the Skills videos in Ground School by the end of this week (pending Apple approval)

[@mattbasford6299]

I could never do steep turns well until I did a flight review with an instructor who taught me to pick a bug on the windshield in front of me and keep it on the horizon. Same thing.

[@TheFinerPoints]

I love it. You can bring a dry erase marker and make your own "bug" if you don't leave it on there too long.

[@tyuggghvf941]

Thanks man

[@goatflieg]

This was a fun game of Find-the-Location for me. You were circling right by the Middle River Bridge, where the Trapper Slough and Victoria/North Canal intersect the Middle River... and I'm in Michigan... still missing CA like crazy. Gotta love Google Maps!

[@Bill3558]

I fly in the mountains. Horizon is all over the place, so your system doesn’t work, but I’ve gotten pretty good with just feel.

[@stubby4317]

Same here. I'm still working on the feel though!

[@samdish]

Well, his system does work..just not in your scenario. Works perfectly for me.

[@bradb3244]

Bill you smell bad bro please shower🙁

[@shanegorman4018]

Try using the base of the mountain not the top

[@stubby4317]

@@shanegorman4018 Good point. Timberline is consistent. I'll give it a try.

[@martenareskoug7997]

Superb video! Looks like you have nailed the position of the camera now! I agree that trimming in a steep turn is a bad idea. Turning is a transient maneuver and as such should not be trimmed. Trimming might make the turn easier but the exit harder.

[@TheFinerPoints]

Thanks 👍

[@epictetus9766]

Awesome, thanks!

[@MrAlwaysBlue]

I agree trim doesn't come into it. Steep turns would generally be a transient manoeuvre if a sudden and possibly unexpected change of direction were required, for example avoiding another aircraft. You wont be thinking about trimming it.

[@LMays-cu2hp]

Looking very nice.

[@TheFinerPoints]

Thank you!

[@LMays-cu2hp]

You are welcome. Fly safe always.

[@HARRRYVID]

I had an instructor who got sick every time we (or anyone else) did a steep turn. You knew what you were going to do when the paper bag came out. Why only apple ap?

[@TheFinerPoints]

wow, perhaps he was in the wrong biz? We're a small, passionate team and one app is all we want to take on right now. It's one big app though :-)

[@HARRRYVID]

@@TheFinerPoints He was a good instructor, a good pilot and a nice guy. It was all psychological. He could and did fly them but got sick every time. Everything else no problem. It is a pity it is not android. I cannot buy an apple for this.

[@GooberPilot]

Hey Jason! Is there going to be an iPhone port of the app coming out?

[@JimmyTidmore]

I discovered the closing one eye trick at some point too. Do you keep it closed throughout the turn, or just on and off?

[@tobythepilot]

Hey Jason, great video. Just a question, I noticed that your airspeed on the initial turn started at 90 knots and when you began to bank to the second turn it was at around 105-110 knots. Is there anything you would add on to or mention about airspeed control? I guess, when it comes to initially teaching a student steep turns, do you focus first on nailing altitude and bank control and then moving to airspeed control? Thanks!

[@TheFinerPoints]

Thank you and thanks for the feedback. In general, yes I do but I’m going to watch the video again to see the mistake you pointed out and maybe I’ll be able to elaborate on what’s happening there. It’s funny I didn’t catch that 😳 but the primary purpose of this video is to show people exactly where to look outside the airplane and what it looks like when the site picture is changing

[@messianichebrewshawnkawcak1550]

He probably didn’t let the plane slow back down or pull the power out after the first steep turn.

[@JonathanCullifer]

I find that trim is overused to compensate for not enough power in many airplanes. I was never taught to use power as a student and that made things unnecessarily difficult until I figured the power thing out.

[@messianichebrewshawnkawcak1550]

I would be curious to see if I have learned enough through videos and flight simulator to actually fly effectively in real life.

[@michaelz5633]

if your simulator can simulator gravity, yes.

[@messianichebrewshawnkawcak1550]

Michael Z it is “flight gear”, I discovered it when I switched to Linux from windows. It’s a free simulator, been around since the mid 90s.

[@messianichebrewshawnkawcak1550]

Michael Z it’s also about the flight characteristics of the airplane being modeled in the simulator. I have taught myself how to fly a helicopter in the simulator, but that doesn’t mean it would go flawlessly in real life.

[@markschussler567]

So, not an aviation question, are you the voice on the Home Depot radio commercials ??

[@TheFinerPoints]

No, but if you could hook me up I'd consider it :-)

[@matthewberher5202]

Do you have instrument ground school?

[@TheFinerPoints]

Coming this Spring but there is tons of content here - www.patreon.com/learntfp

[@smithlopez3965]

In which flying school do you teach

[@TheFinerPoints]

The San Carlos Flight Center in San Carlos CA

[@MasterCarguy44-pk2dq]

What is rudder doing during this turn and during roll out. Is rudder neutral during roll out? I know once going back into power put some rt rubber in there.

[@TheFinerPoints]

MasterCarguy44 Anytime you deflect the ailerons to roll either into or out of a turn you will use rudder in the direction you are rolling. The amount of Rudder required depends on the amount aileron used (the speed at which you rolll)

[@MrAlwaysBlue]

In a steep turn the rudder is starting to act in the vertical plane and would therefore push the nose down. Conversely the pitch attitude is starting to act horizontally. The two axes are therefore exchanging responsibility. I fly microlights (which I think are light sports in US) and we are examined on a 60 deg banked turn. I still get a little unsure how to modulate the relative inputs of these controls to obtain a good turn. Any suggestions?

[@AeroRamer]

What is it with the EXPO dry erase marker in the intro at 00:19? I see the window mark at 00:23. Can't find the reference for it.

[@TheFinerPoints]

AeroRamer it’s a tool I use to mark the window to help the pilots see sight pictures more effectively and get “outside of the cockpit“. I use it in all sorts of lessons including initial climb / level / descent but often - anytime you want to see out of the airplane more effectively against background references

[@danielecarmona]

However it changes from plane to plane

[@davedebz]

I would have thought that students should be taught not to consider trim at all during any turn - as it is a transient manoeuvre...

[@TheFinerPoints]

That’s my preference but it depends on the size of the airplane and length of time on the turn. I’m a Cessna it’s not “necessary”