Flying Law

[@danieces.7262]

Judge Marilyn hit us with the "Oh, hell no!" 😭

[@Jessthebes]

😂 I had to replay that part to make sure I heard her correctly

[@spencer3175]

I had to reply that to just to be sure i heard it right 🤣

[@Valentina_2006]

@@Jessthebes right! I'm sitting here thinking, did I hear correctly?

[@graduatge105]

I cracked up at that part

[@skinchen]

lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ViraIshnia]

My parents got divorced when I was around 21. They were respectful to each other and both were sad that the marriage fell apart. Dad was quite generous to mom to the point even the lawyer was going "you sure you want to give her that much? You can get away with paying her less." My dad refused. This was the mother of his children and the woman he had married. He also knew that it would be a lot easier for him to get that money back than for my mom to get even a fraction of it since she's on disability. Neither could comprehend how you could love someone so much and have such a nasty divorce. When my Oppa (mom's dad) died a few years after the divorce, my dad comforted her and let her cry on him.

[@ginger7344]

This comment made me tear up a little. They love you very much!

[@maryelaine-blinstrubchambe6083]

I'm glad you have a great Dad!

[@motherof1294]

I am happy they are civil

[@amberthomas3939]

My parents had a similar divorce. My dad was always asking after my mom, and was so happy for her when she got remarried. He joked he wanted to give her away at the wedding.

[@allieb770]

You have precious parents that realize they once lived the other a great deal. Just because there's a breakdown in a marriage doesn't mean you should hate or use your kids as pawns... I agree with you!!

[@Rose-pt1sx]

Finally! I needed something to listen to while I cleaned and folded laundry.

[@fintyeli3]

Let me guess, you were "finally" 1st 👏 🤣

[@Rose-pt1sx]

@@fintyeli3 oh nah. I needed a show to listen to in the background while I cleaned and folded laundry. My regular degluar routine lol

[@lostsoul1278]

Try Mr Ballen.....awesome story teller

[@matty7757]

I be waiting every morning for them to drop new episodes 😂 I listen to it at work lol

[@fintyeli3]

@@Rose-pt1sx yea😏😂

[@JaySomething9]

The fact he continued to laugh as the defendant got more emotional and frantic shows how much of an antagonist he really is

[@bunji_beans]

@Public Square Except they're still married so they are still each other's problem. She's crazy for not bringing up the money he took from the joint account in the separation proceedings (if that's true). I suspect he likes being able to hold the fact that she needs the insurance over her head. He seems extremely petty.

[@maryelaine-blinstrubchambe6083]

@@bunji_beans come on Ben! He seems petty? She was trying to go after him for things that were already litigated. She's an attorney, she knows she can't do that. That's petty!

[@bunji_beans]

@@maryelaine-blinstrubchambe6083 yes petty... jet blue points? Lol She counter sued which to me means if she didn't bring it up before, she was going to let it go. She only sued because he sued first.

[@jacklow9611]

@@bunji_beans: Even though she should have known that it really shouldn't have been brought up now or should have been brought it up before the legal separation.

[@laurelc1957]

I’m surprised MM didn’t laugh at him over $$77 Amazon dollars. Petty personified.

[@cocodiva0213]

Judge Judy would’ve kicked them clean out and told them this is what divorce court is for lol!!! Judge Marilyn hit us with the “ Oh hell naw”! 😭😭😭😂😂😂😂 They had her messed up baby. 50/50 cuz I ain’t got time lmbo!

[@ElLiSe..]

At first I thought so however they are legally separated and have a contract so she had to rule base on the contract

[@paulaeppley3569]

It would really be interesting to see how each of the judges would rule on this case!

[@MagicallyLexee]

“Oh hell no “ got me in a chokehold 😂😂😂

[@madmuziq]

Took me straight out 😭

[@stephaniehowe0973]

She is a Divorce Atty? Who doesnt know how to dress or act in Court? Why on Earth cant she afford her own insurance

[@SV28888]

Maybe she’s not very good at her job 😂

[@lashandawear2907]

His insurance may be better since he was a state employee (firefighter). Plus her specialty is divorce she may not have a lot of business depending on the size of her practice she works for. Also she’s very sick which drives up costs and makes her miss work I’m sure.

[@belleame1064]

@Vindicated Unfair. She has a preexisting health condition. It's hard to get health insurance, and if you are able to get insurance, high premium. In addition, she reported that she provided him with a large sum of money, and in return, she remained on his insurance. She owes him $700,000, which tells me she makes a lot of money. They both appear to be vindictive.

[@traceyaz125]

She mentioned she has to pay him a ton of money for support.

[@stephaniehowe0973]

@@traceyaz125 If you pay "a ton" you make a ton

[@NubianP6]

I’m not understanding why JM chose to divide the points that the defendant used in half, as opposed to dividing the sum total of the accumulated points at the time of her usage. For example, if there were 350,000 points available prior to her using points, why then would that 350,000 not be divided in half, which would allot both litigants 175,000 points each, which would mean that she actually didn’t owe the plaintiff for using points that are legally half hers? That doesn’t make any sense to me. If I have a joint account with my husband, and there is $10,000 dollars in there, I should be entitled to use up to $5,000 as I see fit. But what JM did was the equivalent of saying *”You used $5,000 of the total $10,000, so now you have to give him back $2,500”* which would then devalue my entitlement to 25%, as opposed to 50%. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@loupgarou95]

Yeah, I don't get why that wouldn't be the correct answer here.

[@traceyaz125]

I agree. And she seemed to have a bias against the defendant from the start. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@rockobill7637]

yes, which I think is what the woman was trying to explain, but the judge shouted her down...I don't have the patience to watch it again to be sure

[@valvano304]

Points don't have a permanent cash equivalent so she's saying every time one uses it, they need to pay the other half the value of points used

[@crimeshowaddict2013]

Yes! She should have left it as the defendant used her half of the points and the rest is for the plaintiff to use. Now, the defendant is still entitled to use some of those other points. Imagine your husband of 30+ years just up and leaves during a time where you are having health problems, then being ordered to pay him an obscene amount of money because you were the main bread winner for all those years and have to stay legally married so you can have health coverage because you can’t afford to pay both. While she’s dealing with all of that, he’s over here being petty over some frequent flier miles and less than $100 worth of amazon orders. Some folks in his community may see him in a different light after they see this!

[@KennuhWayne]

This is my new all-time favorite case! Love the way JM handled both of them. Seems like neither one of them has had a reality check in a looooong time. But JM was the right one to give them one today!

[@robbbietheim2096]

SHE IS EXTREMELY HIGH STRUNG BEING AN ATTORNEY, SHOW THE JUDGE RESPECT, BUT HE WAS DEAD WRONG FOR TRYING TO HAVE HER DISBARRED, VERY LOW BLOW 💯

[@krytietv1684]

My sister is very highly strung but she hates me pointing it out so I'm saying it here. Jo, you are very highly strung

[@lilo4399]

She's being abused by her ex! He has pushed her past the point of no return and is getting off on making her look crazy on national television.

[@kyoto32001]

she is a criminal. she should be disbarred. he's the victim.

[@kyoto32001]

@@lilo4399 liar

[@lilo4399]

@@kyoto32001 what did I lie about? Try again

[@JasmineTiya]

Ok, I was NOT prepared for the “Oh hell no!” 😩😭😭😭

[@Heidi-Beth]

Lady please clean your ceiling fan.🤭

[@sashabenoit1518]

When the defendant said to JM "you're awarding him for bad behavior", I so wish JM answered her with yeah, I'm awarding him for YOUR bad behavior! 😂 Oh well, missed opportunity 🤷‍♀️

[@maryelaine-blinstrubchambe6083]

Oh, but I think it was a perfect thought!

[@KimVerhaaff]

Just because he's calmer, he's not a nice man. Both are awfull

[@msknich0le]

Her husband is absolutely vile. He should have to pay for writing lies to the Bar Association.

[@MsSooobless]

I feel so sorry their kids because I know exactly what their going through. My siblings and I went through hell witnessing our parents tit for tat and trying to put us (the kids) in between their bitter mess. IT WAS PURE MISSERY‼️ I wished our parents loved us more than they hated each other.

[@berryhij1]

I’m so sorry you went through that. You deserved better. Hugs. ❤

[@andrejamal5438]

Why? Their kids are grown!

[@esmereldaweatherwax7230]

@@andrejamal5438 the fact that their children are grown only helps a little. Having your parents fighting and bitter about each other can make family occasions almost impossible. Do you risk having a wedding / funeral / birthday / Christmas ruined by inviting both of them? Any decision you make risks giving offence to one or both of them. My mother was upset with me just because I continued having contact with my father.

[@TammieR-B]

I don't think I could spend enough on a credit card to get enough points for 4 plane tickets 😃

[@Childfree334]

There are special credit cards designed just for frequent flyer miles/points. It is quite easy to build up a huge point balance on those.

[@KennuhWayne]

I was eating Sweet Tarts while watching this case. Now I have candy all over my phone screen because I spit everything out when JM hit me with that ratchet "OH, HELL NO!" 😂🤣🤣😂

[@britta3]

It’s crazy how ugly people can get when going through a divorce or even a break up. This entire case is sad, trying to have the defendant disbarred.. unbelievable! You could tell Judge Milian was disgusted with the plaintiff, as am I

[@AAWien]

he might have very good reasons

[@chuck9380]

It’s crazy how ugly people can get in 30 years of marriage lol

[@maryelaine-blinstrubchambe6083]

@@AAWien right I would have loved to hear more about that. The second thing on that email mentioned his claim regarding the Trade Center (9/11). He was a Firefighter I would have loved to hear about that.

[@lydiasinclair1126]

I went through absolute hell from my ex husband. He tried so hard to cause me to have a full on panic attack or end up in a psych ward. It was devastating. I left as a single mother and had to try to put my son first while he tried to sink me. His parents had money so they paid his legal bills until it was finished. He paid 85k to his over priced attny and mine was 30k. Before we split I could see I was in danger with finances to cover a lawyer so I opened up a 50k line of credit and increased 3 credit card limits to 25k each. That way I could pay with one and move it to another every couple months without paying huge interest. I had to send my lawyer like 5k a month and it was killing me. In the end our home sold. I paid off my debt and I put a good chunk down on my new home. He was so greedy and delusional it was disgusting what he was trying to do to me. I put in way more than 50% into the home not to mention the actual deposit and the upgrades I paid for but he wanted to destroy me. He even tried to get alimony from me. It was unreal. The judge ended up catching him in multiple lies so it did not go over well. I got my 50% as I had always maintained and moved on. Now after 10 years later my brother tells me he still can't believe I chose my son over my husband. What!! Of course I did. I was not going to sit back and allow abuse to happen so I chose my son's safety over his abuse.

[@Frylock76]

Hmm... this couple seems to deserve each other. I'm not sure who I disliked more. Crazy #1 or crazy #2? I feel bad for their 4 kids.

[@102tatertot]

This case is a perfect example of how you always have to have your own best interests foremost. It sucks but when a relationship falls apart like this, the party that shrugs off slights is always gonna be worse off in the end

[@taylorbrickman3872]

Unfortunately that's true. /= The person who decides to be quiet because they don't want to hurt the other one gets totally screwed every time because there's always that other person who SLAMS them to benefit however possible.

[@arianefr78]

That is such a beautiful mural behind the defendant...

[@jcymngo]

It's canvas but yes. Lovely art.

[@fwb1012]

I lost it at “Hell Noooo!”😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😂

[@wisdomspeakstruth333]

“The pots and pans of your commingled life.” 🤣🤣🤣

[@getin3949]

Awesome JMM, that was a lot of work but you separated the issues admirably. Job well done!!

[@YESITSWILL]

I love how the Defendant says they don´t have an acrimonius relationship. I see a Discovery ID episode in their future.

[@kerrylynnparsons9441]

Is Judge Milian civil today? ☺️❤️ This couple is nuts!!! 😳😳😳

[@angeliqueellis2979]

Judge Milian said, “Oh, hell no! I’m not gonna do that!…She’s sooo real.

[@taylorbrickman3872]

That guy lost credit with him the second JM asked if he really tried to have her disbarred and he said "why would I do that?" He lied. I think he's manipulative, I think he's controlling. I thought he was reasonable until that. Now I can see who he is 100%. And he hurt that woman. She might be loud and crazy but she also seems like she was once fun, full of laughter, and a loving person and mother.

[@emilydutes8272]

Omfg how did he last 30 yrs living w her....omg. I could barely last just watching the 15 min episode. Holy shit

[@Zeropainter420]

The judge and her husband are just beautiful humans

[@arianefr78]

This should never have come to small claims court, this is part of the marital assets and therefore should be discussed in divorce court and if they don't want to conclude the divorce then it's still up for grabs from both of them and can be used by both parties and nothing says it should be 50/50 until they apply for a divorce...

[@britt3795]

That's exactly wat I was thinking

[@naigepippens1622]

...I you close your eyes and listen, the Defendant sounds like an irate Edith Bunker.

[@Aceofwolves]

This is why divorce court is extremely important. Think of ANYTHING and EVERYTHING you owe

[@ultimatecouponlady]

The plaintiff tried to have his wife disbarred AND lied about it. What a piece of work. That comment about her having to pay him $700,000 over the next three years was his way of bragging that he's getting that money in spousal support or something.

[@devianadkar7969]

It is refreshing to see alimony paid to a man rather than a woman.

[@lisavee4670]

Could anyone imagine these litigants in person in court?🤔

[@hateisforlosers6116]

Headache!!!!

[@sheilae.9670]

@@hateisforlosers6116 lol cuz my head hurts now, ima need to take an excedrin

[@thatlisagirl71]

…she said “oh HELL NO” that was priceless.

[@Dapperbugbear]

The defendant's camera angle makes her look like She-Hulk

[@lilo4399]

She's the defendant

[@Dapperbugbear]

@@lilo4399 that's what I said ;),

[@roymaddocks3184]

I winder if defendant did that standing; it appeared so

[@lilo4399]

@@Dapperbugbear now that you corrected it from plaintiff. Good job!

[@dianabialaskahansen2972]

Defendant is a nightmare. How did that man survive being married for 30 years to her?

[@yung1717]

He’s also a nightmare

[@kyoto32001]

@@yung1717 no evidence of that

[@Gromble_Sir]

DSL

[@ruhernan78]

@@kyoto32001 the guy denied trying to get his wife disbarred. Then changed his answer when confronted with the email. I guess for you he's an outstanding guy? What more evidence does one need?

[@billsurley9264]

"Almost a 30 year marriage ...he wants to up and leave.." He deserves a medal for sticking it out that long with her!

[@heidicrimmings9615]

Yikes

[@yung1717]

All you see is the aftermath of a bad marriage. He tried to have her disbarred so he’s also ridiculous

[@billsurley9264]

@@yung1717 Yah, when she tries to steal your 911 Benefits that's what sane people do.

[@hateisforlosers6116]

I can!!!!! Exhaustion is determined!!!!😣😣😣😣😣😣😣😣

[@tyffehhh]

The way the husband kept chuckling. 😂

[@kcc-karenschroniccorner9432]

I don’t understand. If she owes him $700,000 to be paid over the following 3 years, why are they here arguing over a few thousand dollars?

[@andrejamal5438]

It’s not about money! It’s principle

[@janets9179]

These two once were madly in love and thought they couldn't live without each other.

[@lashundavis156]

Right and look at them now😂😂😂

[@peekaboots01]

We don't know that. They could have had a lukewarm love or they could have married for other reasons.

[@elainevankat5353]

@@peekaboots01 Exactly!!!

[@elainevankat5353]

Who told you they were “madly in love” (you have no clue about this couple).

[@janets9179]

@@elainevankat5353 most people who get married are madly in love and they make an oath to spend the rest of their lives together. Why else would they get married? Some marriages are arranged, and the couple doesn't know each other well when they marry, but this isn't typical in America, and this couple didn't mention it was arranged. I'm sure there is a big difference between them now and them 30 years ago. That's my point.

[@ChampippleD]

They seem perfect for each other.

[@jcymngo]

They probably were at one point.

[@dellahicks7231]

Who orders 4000 personalized cheques these days? I used to keep a couple books around when our son was still in school and playing all his sports, but even through all those years, I wouldn't have gone through 4000 cheques. If these court tv shows are any indication, few people pay with cheques, she'll be using them for note paper!

[@Geronimo2Fly]

Defendant was unbelievably annoying, but -- if she had to pay him for 1/2 of the airline miles she used, then she's entitled to half of the airline miles that are left. These two need to get divorced ASAP, separate EVERYTHING, and get the hell away from each other. She needs to get her healthcare from somewhere else. Even with a pre-existing condition, the Affordable Care Act mandates that she can't be denied coverage, and as an attorney she should be able to afford it.

[@lynndominic1967]

I am always so appalled how love between 2 people can transform into hateful pettiness in a divorce but you can see plaintiff utterly cynical smile as he won and triumphantly said how defendant still had to pay him 700K. Only thing left to say , after 30 years marriage, 4 kids plaintiff has probably been planning his exit and how little he has to loose for a while, a person w/no plan doesn’t just wake up one day and leaves just like that, smh

[@olderandwiser5916]

The "Oh hell no" was an impulsive comment by JM and that was AWESOME 👍👍👍👍👍🤣😁🤣😁🤭🤭 The defendant is a beeahch and needs to pay him for stealing the points. If he took money from "her joint account" it was legit. Stop barking!!!!! Shut up and pay up!!!! Him trying to get her disbarred is about as shitty as it can get, but it's not theft, it's unethical as hell, but not stealing. Too bad for the defendant.........

[@yodalayheehoo5447]

Did she say, "Good rhythms to him?" 🤔

[@rayannesheahan7908]

@10:30 did judge just say "oh HELL NO." ??? 😆🙌

[@KennuhWayne]

And did.

[@olderandwiser5916]

.....and it was impulsive as hell!!! She could have let it been edited out, because usually these trials are 20 to 45 minutes long. But I guess she allowed it Tobe broadcasted for a reason. She meant it!!!!

[@elizabethmcfadden466]

The plaintiff looks ready to square up!

[@darwyn2lion]

😂 I laughed too hard at this

[@sashabenoit1518]

I hate when people just scream the whole time! 😖 Seems there's a lot of this today 🙄

[@gilbertdaroy6080]

Can you imagine these two in one constricted space? I pity the children.

[@barbaraness4507]

20:08 “Good rythums to him”! Now there’s an expression I’ve never heard.

[@lindaalvarez8855]

That lady had a lot of nerve to push Judge Milian to the point of saying "Hell. No". Good for her! That lady had alot of Chutzpah to even challenge Jude Milian. She should lose everything! That lady is Crazy 🤪.

[@BradKandyCroftFamily]

Anger makes you stupid and vengeful. Don't let anger take over in any part of your life.

[@silvermillennial]

"THIS IS NOT AN ACRIMONIOUS RELATIONSHIP!!!" JM: 😧🤨😳

[@cbro2807]

They deserve each other. They haven't divorced because they love the drama.

[@maryelaine-blinstrubchambe6083]

I would have liked to know about his 911 claim. The man was a Firefighter! Blessings to him. He sat through the proceedings calm and not interrupting the judge while the defendant, an attorney and used to appearing in court, interrupted JM and did everything but an Irish jij. I do not envy that man. Running into burning buildings must have been easier.

[@shannonbrophy3687]

This was an entertaining case to watch

[@ndavis3967]

Can understand why they are separated, she is exhausting.

[@al3220]

Goes to show the US really needs to produce more options for healthcare insurance for its citizens.

[@drayuh192]

Sounds like it's cheaper to keep her than divorce her.

[@ginger7344]

This relationship is child abuse. How can people with kids, adult ones or not, not love them more than they hate each other

[@thegrouphomegoddess9684]

If it had been another couple, Marilyn would been cuttin' them off, been condescending, and rude!

[@sonquatsch8585]

this case was everything wow.

[@elvickRULES]

This verdict makes no sense. I don’t like the defendant she is hard to watch. But why would you split her use of points but not factor in his use of points? They’ve both used points. Others pointed it out but if they had a shared $10, and she spent her $5 half… why would she have to pay him $2.50 back of her half? That makes no sense at all. Judge Judy would’ve thrown this out as it should’ve been.

[@elvickRULES]

Dumbest verdict I’ve seen I think tbh

[@kroon1930]

Oh god🤣. Totally irrelevant. But that lady and her position in front of the camera cracks me up😂. Her head & the ceiling fan rotors. There's a Dutch band called Racoon and in their song "feel like flying" they sing "I feel like flying, I've got a rotor on my head".... It's all I can think of when I see the rotor blades sticking out of her head😂

[@heidicrimmings9615]

Lol

[@bell6012]

🤣

[@EastBound313]

“Oh HELL NAWL!!!”😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Bigmuffin8]

Idk why the defendant thought she could pull at the judges heart strings she ain’t got time

[@lauracurtin631]

The two of them will suffer with their vitriol, bitterness and hatred toward one another. Their children obviously will have horrible problems dealing with this. They love themselves too much, destroy everyone else's world and STILL want to get even with each other. Pitiful!

[@KDanielsDesigns]

lmbo it cracks me up everytime she says hell no

[@joeybiden7755]

The 1980’s called. They want her hair back 😂

[@thegrouphomegoddess9684]

Whew!! That's a hard lookin' sister!

[@nicolewashington3011]

😂😂 Hell Noooo. Judge Malian 🤣🤣🤣. Y’all crazy!!

[@kikihoney822]

"Oh HELL no!" 🤣🤣

[@BobBlumenfeld]

Defendant: "This is not an acrimonious relationship." Me: "I do not think that word means what you think it means.".

[@mirsan6705]

What a MESS! So sad!

[@jodybillings3841]

Good rhythms to him she says, aw that's nice, she's wishing him a musical future. 🤪

[@eboneyboswell4328]

Lmfao they need A TV SHOW LOL LOL

[@kycutecool5891]

This is the first time I've said Judge Milian say "Aw hell no!" xD

[@dawnrobidoux3552]

The defendant squinting leaning in to the camera is driving me nuts. Her facial expressions overall... like can you not just relax your face and be still while listening?

[@danaculpepper4663]

After listening to this woman for a few minutes, I know why the plaintiff left her. I just don’t understand why he hasn’t divorced her yet.

[@histruth3157]

people are so petty and sue over any little thing to get money

[@noneyab7011]

I feel the same way about my ex husband. Our son is 18 years old, we divorced when he was 7, and we'll always have Love for each other.

[@bongoikno4994]

It's quite easy to see why he left

[@DonziGT230]

She said that he was the only one who's angry, yet she's doing all the yelling and complaining. She said he dumped her for no reason, pretty sure we all saw and heard the reason.

[@befrugalwithus]

Remind me of my mom and aunt. They are both "married" but won't get divorced either. My mom was already separated from my so called step dad before I was born. My aunt was the same three years before I was even born also. So they been married to guys for 35 years. Mainly since they are both lazy as heck. I am happily single without drama. XD

[@hankrhill324]

Definitely a divorce lawyer right there

[@jennb45]

At the time of the separation the points should be half and half. If it was that important it would have been discussed. Bitterness at it best. But I love her accent. She sounds like a hot headed Italian from Long Island love it...

[@Mimizee77]

Wish i could see more rich people fighting! Her accent is amazing! Is that a Jersey Girl?

[@ryancoorey158]

I would have left her as well.

[@aliciamay8083]

Good rhythms to him😂

[@chrstphrmtthw16]

They are staying married because she needs his retired fireman's health insurance? I guess ...

[@NubianP6]

Health insurance is expensive, and sometimes impossible to get when you have preexisting health conditions. Apparently, she owes him a large sum of money that will be paid over the next 3 years, and after that time, he can convert his health insurance. She says that she pays the premium, so he’s not really out anything…other than being legally single. 😂

[@amandamatheny3675]

She's a lawyer and yet she wants to keep screaming over the judge? I'm pretty sure lawyers are supposed to have a better handle on courtroom etiquette than your average person, and yet he was not a lawyer is actually maintaining himself much better. Lol

[@graduatge105]

These two like the drama.

[@emilydutes8272]

The wife looks like she's had a very hard life.

[@RumbleRish]

Wish the plaintiff could’ve gotten punished for straight LYING. “Why would I report the mother of my kids, especially when she owes me $700k….” and changed his tune once JM pointed out the email he sent. Also how does a retired firefighter afford to be a member of a country club?

[@layahYasharahla]

She was extra hard on her when she said she was not only lawyer , but a divorce lawyer lol 😂 it’s the “do as I say not as I do rule “ . We know that people who work a particular job never adhere to their own rules . Like a hairstylist hair is never done . And manicurist nails are never done ✅ and a divorce attorney who can’t do her own divorce lol 😂

[@amyann13]

I can see why dude left you after 30 years, holy hell lady 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@amandamatheny3675]

I can't see how he lasted 30 years.