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This time we really launch our huge steel ship.
After months of hard work we splash our 82ft historic vessel.
After some troubles with the engine, she is finally afloat again.
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Get to know us: • The Couple That Bought...

[@FlyingConey]

Spoiler: All the small leaks did indeed close themselves up after a while in the water. A huge thanks to all of you who have supported the project and also to all of you who watch our videos, leave a like or a comment! Also a massive thanks goes to Hoekman Scheepswerf! Without you hard working lads Flying Coney would've been scrapped. You saved her live ⛵ Thank you ❤

[@erlixerlix7573]

On a riveted hull you can close leaks between the plates by cold working the edge of the plate with a blunt chisel and a hsmmer.

[@Coyotehello]

@@erlixerlix7573 Very true!

[@Pocketfarmer1]

How? Dry wood does swell, but iron only corrodes.

[@clarksonad]

@@Pocketfarmer1 Water pressure on the hull maybe.

[@FlyingConey]

There are natural materials in between the plates. My guess is that they swell up. But maybe also some dirt clogs the seam. But in plumbing it's the same if you use hemp in between the threats. At the beginning sometimes there is one or two drips of water but after a while it stops.

[@TMF1954]

It's amazing to consider that Flying Coney at 25 meters long is about 7 meters longer than Columbus' largest ship Santa Maria was. I'm glad I found your channel, I'm enjoying watching you as you bring her back from the brink of destruction.

[@FlyingConey]

Flying Coneys first name was "Tiny" 🤣 Most people think she's smaller than she is. That's probably because the wheelhouse is more or less in the center of the boat and not further aft. You have to see her from the side to realize her true size. All the best and thanks for your comment!

[@bosseolsson3005]

Hi, discovered your channel last week and was instantly hooked. Interesting project with well-made videos that have really developed over timme, like the music and how you explain the different moments. Now the boat has been launched and I am really looking forward to your continued journey. Keep up the good work 😊

[@bendaves77]

Flying Coney looks amazing.. now you can enjoy the fruits of your hard work in knowing that she'll stay afloat.. whats next?? Putting the new kitchen and interior back in her..

[@FlyingConey]

I'm afraid we have to remove a lot of concrete first and repair the frames. Then renew the CVO and finally, finally we can lay a new steel deck...

[@craigbrown7707]

Stay away from heavy waves good luck with your project

[@colleenbalch328]

What a relief, the first new part does the trick.

[@FlyingConey]

It's great seeing you watching the playlist and commenting the videos. Welcome aboard Flying Coney 😃

[@user-zy2md7zr7c]

That is very very cool that the motor started up for you after the launch I've been watching it from the beginning very nice❤

[@FlyingConey]

Great! Hope you enjoy the playlist!

[@alanmorris7634]

Amazing! I was hoping to hear about your shaft bearing (new packing) when the engine was running alongside. I'm sure that's yet to come. You will have to adjust those nuts to have a little drip of water to avoid overheating when underway.

[@flatworm00]

I am so happy for you...little bumps here and there, but she started and is ready to go! Great job!!!

[@FlyingConey]

She sailed (motored) quite a bit faster with that new freshly painted bottom ⛵️

[@clickykbd]

I loved the dark spooky music touch when looking around in the bowels for leaks! Congratulations on the launch!

[@FlyingConey]

I'm a big movie fan and a quote to the grandmasters of cinema here and there is a must in my opinion. 🍿🎬

[@pauldixon3677]

Well done crew. Satisfying to know the engine did start. Congratulations on splashing.

[@FlyingConey]

Thank you! That the engine started was a big relive. The two batteries, although not cheap, are still the easiest and best solution for a non starting diesel engine. The old ones were probably at the end of their lifespan and now we have stronger ones with more capacity. Should be good for a few years!

[@homer5802]

Hi good folks. I just found your channel and have watched all of your videos from the beginning. I live about 10 miles south of Detroit and I really enjoy learning how people from around the world live. I like how you simply take on one problem at a time, and are not willing to give up so easily. Im 60 years old now and I've had boats most of my life, but never a sailboat. I have a 1975 32ft Marinette and in a couple years I want to buy a sailboat between 36 to 40ft for my wife and I to travel around the Atlantic. I subbed and rang the bell so I look forward to your future videos. Stay safe and take care of each other. See ya soon.

[@FlyingConey]

Thank you for subscribing and I wish you luck to find the perfect boat. 36-40ft is very reasonable we always wanted to have a sailing ship to sail together with people that's why we bought a slightly bigger boat 😉

[@dickdegraaff5452]

Dear Barbara and Daniēl, It’s so good to see how well Flying Coney’s hull was recovered by the craftsmanship of Scheepswerf Hoekman in Urk and not to forget your both own involvement by the derusting and painting of the hull. It seems that Barbara has some technical background because she was installing the new batteries like a professional. Willeke and I wish you both lots of success with the rest of the refit of Flying Coney and look forward to your next vlog plus we send you love

[@FlyingConey]

Barbara was in training to become a ship mechanic and decided to study engineering at the university for a few years. She's actually enjoying to to this kind of work. I mostly do the more dangerous work and also when it comes to tools I have more experience. But working on engines, plumbing or electricity is definitely for Barbara. And one has to film! Greetings to Willeke and have a nice evening!

[@billpace3001]

I'm very happy for you. Yesterday ( July 6th ) was my 74th birthday so the engine starting was my gift. Things are tight right now but I hope to make a donation soon. I started sailing in 1990 when I purchased an old SUNFISH that I named "Gailey Bedight". It was a wonderful thing. A turd one would say but they having bigger talk proud.

[@FlyingConey]

Happy birthday! A sunfish is an interesting and unique boat. Good hull shape! We're very grateful for every donation we get but only if one can afford it easily. We do know the feeling when things are tight. So all the best for your next year in life and if you find a gold bar in your garden let us know 😉!

[@uschifleischmann6089]

Happy birthday ❤

[@LoganJohnson-lm2bh]

😍Yaa she's back where she belongs. And your going to Lelystad .Wonderful .It must feel good to finally be back in the water .

[@FlyingConey]

She's looking stunning in the water. But that's just my humble opinion 😁

[@LoganJohnson-lm2bh]

@@FlyingConeyYou Humble ? 🤣🤣.Still you are right .She looks like a Grand lady ready to strut and show the world she's back .I can already see in my mind her sails up, and full out ,wind at her back and the curl of her bow wave as she moves across the water like a grand Duchess moves across a room full of people with head high as if to say ,Yes It's me and I'm back .and both of you on deck standing tall with smiles on both your faces and that feeling of pride in you heart as if you had just won a grand race .and now you own the world.. Humble ? more like sly as a fox .or the little boy who gets away with snitching a cookie for a jar .😁

[@richardhill2260]

Always a stressful day on launch day,but very rewarding at the same time ,great job both of you

[@FlyingConey]

For the yard it was kind of a non event. A short "are you ready" on the radio and in we went. "Oh, the engine doesn't start? Do you have a long rope? Ok, give it to me..." 🤣

[@dustoff1472]

So happy for you all. Enjoying the channel. Tks for sharing.

[@FlyingConey]

Thank you for watching!

[@bruceyoung1343]

I can feel his frustration 😢. Batteries can be buggers sometimes. Those wires, to me , looked lil thin. Hope it’s not that. So glad you got her started 😅

[@FlyingConey]

Maybe you're more used to 12 volt cables? But yes, the complete electric system needs to be updated. Including everything that has to do with the engine. But it's working now and we can move the boat if necessary. Step by step...

[@paulthew2]

Excellent video, as always. She's floating and will soon be moving under her own power! Brilliant!!!

[@FlyingConey]

We waited for a calm day and sailed back to Lelystad. But I can't wait for the next time at the hard. Well, I must be crazy...

[@deanmills5106]

Very nice, great job both of you. I think you both deserve a promotion

[@FlyingConey]

Thank you Dean!

[@StephanieElizabethMann]

That's awesome. Yahoo.

[@FlyingConey]

Thank you!

[@Its_me--Boo_Radley]

Beautiful video footage together with lovely music! How interesting to know about the plates on the steel ships and the felting between the plates. I laughed at the part where you went to start the motor ... first that ominous bit of music and then "SHIT". And then when the engine finally started, I cheered right long with the video!

[@FlyingConey]

Thank you for your lovely comment! We were a bit surprised that the yard didn't wanted to wait longer for the batteries to charge, but I guess they really needed the windlass for the tugboat.

[@Its_me--Boo_Radley]

@@FlyingConey Good thing you had a long rope to pull Flying Coney from place to place.

[@Who.is.Clinton]

Your engine sounds so sweet = puring = balanced = well done guys!

[@FlyingConey]

I do love the engine. When idling the DAF has a nice raf, raf, raf, raf sound. Also the fuel consumption is very low. Many do not believe that we only use 10-15 liters an hour.

[@claudehopper9813]

Great video , so glad the engine started ! Your hard work is showing , Flying Coney is looking better and better every week .

[@FlyingConey]

Thank you. We do our best to make progress while also making this videos. All the best!

[@robertsmith2319]

Once more a highly entertaining video, keep them coming. I think you 'dodged a bullet' by having to replace those batteries while still in a secure environment. (Bet you winced at the cost!) This is a hugely enjoyable series. I frequently move my barge (28 tons) by hand here and there. Its easier than it looks, as long as you are careful (and no wind)

[@FlyingConey]

The previous owner bought most replacement parts at a scrapyard. So it was a matter of time until we needed to replace those batteries. The good thing is that we have a diesel engine and they usually don't stop working once the run.

[@loosescrew9438]

Yea!!!

[@frankreed8610]

Thanks for sharing 👍 Love your videos 😊👍

[@Garondahl]

Jetzt wo sie im Wasser liegt (wieder) sieht man, warum Ihr Euch für dieses Boot entschieden hattet. Ein wundervolles Boot ist das. Ich freue mich schon auf Fahrtenvideos von Euch. Und das mit dem Motor war ja fast nen Tatortkrimi.

[@FlyingConey]

Danke! Wir arbeiten gerade an einem Linienriss mit Rigg und ohne den (unnötigen) Aufbauten. Ich freu mich wirklich schon darauf den mit euch zu teilen! Schaut in meinen Augen wirklich Atemberaubend aus! ⛵️

[@rogereade4950]

You maybe able to get a airstart system for that engine, you can then use the auxiliary engine for the compressor to charge air tanks, or run a drive from the alternator, you also can run a compressor from the main as well, but what ever way, you will always be able to start.

[@FlyingConey]

There are different emergency start systems. Spring loaded starters, intertia starters, hydraulic starters and also pneumatic starters. We will definitely think about upgrading at one point but we plan on using the engine for about 15-20 hours this year. So it's all about the priorities. Frames, CVO and deck first. The engine is running and working that's the most important thing.

[@mickkingston1450]

By a optimate or something similar to main you batteries so your batteries start the engine every time , good luck with the boat great content and hard work your putting in 👍

[@FlyingConey]

The batteries were on the smaller side for the engine and probably bought second hand. The new ones hold the power much better and also the engine is starting better since they have much more starting power. Thank you!

[@davidnichols147]

Magnificent, we are so thankful for Hoekman Scheepwerf. After a rather exhausting shipyard period, we now have Flying Coney looking absolutely beautiful with her new paint. We are so fortunate to being among those who consider this massive project a true historic adventure. Will you be using her as a cadet training vessel?

[@jonathanworthing6278]

Things can only get better. You will have good days and bad days

[@familyb5625]

Thanks for showing how to tie a fenderline.....

[@FlyingConey]

You can get a sailing teacher out of a sailing school but you can't get the sailing teacher out of a sailing teacher.

[@MrJerobona]

Flying Coney is looking better and better!

[@FlyingConey]

We do our best to keep this project going. Can't wait for the next shipyard time to make huge progress again. In the last months we were more focusing on KZbin and the videos but in September will hopefully be the next haul out.

[@jimseven5358]

Yup, all you needed was fresh batteries! TWO THUMBS UP!!😁😁

[@FlyingConey]

That was a big relieve!

[@phoenix327]

You may want to invest in some new pick up bruches for the old starter motor and some new baring's, easy to install and clean up the inside of the motor at the same time, cost about $5 dollars

[@billyhaddock5540]

Congrats Guy's, on getting ur Flying Coney Launched and moored. getting the new battery's was a good choice.

[@FlyingConey]

Luckily it was an easy fix. Two new batteries and there she started. Thank you!

[@PetervanderPalm]

Bedankt

[@FlyingConey]

Thank you very much!

[@harmonicalessonsnyc6386]

you guys are really cool. keep up the great work.

[@FlyingConey]

Thank you very much. We do our best to keep you updated every week. It seams like we have a similar taste in music 😉 Do you know the harmonica line in the song "Champion at keeping them rolling" by the Dubliners? It's my all time favorite song!

[@harmonicalessonsnyc6386]

@@FlyingConey I just listened to it. Nice song. I love the harmonica in it!

[@chuckcorris2392]

Congratulations! You two deserve a lot of credit for your perseverance and positive attitudes. I think the worst is behind you, and now you can get to those projects that won’t cost you so much money.

[@FlyingConey]

Thank you for watching the entire playlist. I hope you've enjoyed the journey so far. We somehow managed to stay within a reasonable budget. Mostly because we did everything we could by ourselves, we lived on the boat the whole time and the yard was incredible helpful and they haven't ripped us off and made us a very reasonable price. Honestly what concerns me a bit more is the income side of the project but slowly it gets better and I hope in a few months we have a full income from KZbin.

[@alexforget]

What a crazy project! I thought you could have a small engine/generator/welder that you start before to help you start the big one. You must have a one anyway on a boat that size. Is the starter on 12V on a system that size? For sure you are not going to regret putting new batteries in.

[@FlyingConey]

The engine isn't all that big. It's a very common engine for bowthrusters on inland cargo barges. We do have a generator for 220 volt. The DAF is a marinized lorry engine so the starter works on 24 volt. Hence the two starting batteries 😉 A while back we did a complete tour of the engine room: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZmKWmXuJiN97oc0

[@dcallan812]

Fantastic news that She is only a little moist round the rivets 2x👍

[@FlyingConey]

It's still surprising for me that small leaks just close themselves up. But they did! My guess is that the felt in between the plates need to soak and swell a bit. But back in the old days when they built a ship they just hauled it into the most dirty corner of the harbor and waited for all the dirt in the water to clog all the leaks. Maybe that also helped.

[@AM-ni3sz]

Good to see you in the water 🎉

[@FlyingConey]

Only took us one week at the hard, I don't know why it was so exhausting to do all the work 🤣

[@seven7ns]

You have two batteries on board. I seem to remember that one was 24 volts and the other 12. Because there are multiple cells you could possibly change the scaling a bit so that you put more or fewer cells in series to get the desired voltage and then you put the two in parallel. to start the engine..

[@FlyingConey]

We have a starting battery bank consisting of two 12volt batteries. We also have a 24 volt service battery. This one is a forklift battery consisting out of multiple 2 volt cells. But you need starting batteries for starting and a service batterie for everything else. Just to be complete we also have a 12 volt starting batterie for the generator.

[@bburvik]

I really like to watch your videos..it's better than normal television. Dead battery was a bit drama but so reconcile able 😂. Veel succes and I hope you come back soon to urk. Greetings from Urk

[@FlyingConey]

Thank you! What a big compliment ❤️

[@billb2176]

Super well done - brought a huge smile to see you safely out ofthe cradle and berthed up in a bit of breeze but looked as though it was useful.

[@FlyingConey]

The whole, "do you have a long rope" and "we pull you off the cart" thing happened in seconds. There was a small steel dinghy helping us but we didn't had enough time to set up more cameras and no hand free to film properly. So that's why it's a bit hard to see what happened. Sorry for that.

[@jamesbreaux4682]

I'm, Really Happy that the engine started. Can't wait for the first run. I've been with ya'll since the start. Hello from Orangefield Texas. Happy for Ya'll.

[@FlyingConey]

It had been a long way so far but the first steps are made. We do our best to get the project finished and share it all with you. You like the direction the channel is heading?

[@jamesbreaux4682]

@@FlyingConey Yes I do. I'm glad ya'll didn't throw in the towel. For a while there ya'll were at your wit's end.

[@lawrencetrapani5623]

A Corrosion Meter with a Silver Chloride test lead would show any stray current you have within the vessel and from other boats Docks etc. Easy to obtain at not great expense and takes away from Guesswork

[@FlyingConey]

We're talking different systems here. The starting batteries are only there to start the engine. They are only connected to the engine. Current from other boats could only be a problem if we would connect to shore power. We never have plugged into shore power. So there's no way of current in between us, the harbor or other boats.

[@lawrencetrapani5623]

@@FlyingConey have it your way!

[@lawrencetrapani5623]

Stray Current from Batteries can cause galvanic corrosion! And if there is stray current in the harbor or coming from other boats, Water is a conductor of current! Just Saying!

[@FlyingConey]

We will have the opportunity to hire a marine electrician in September until then we do disconnect the electric system to prohibit any damage. But as far as I know it's not completely possible to isolate the engine from the hull. But what do I know...

[@lawrencetrapani5623]

@@FlyingConey If you recall back to some of your first videos, I suggested that you do something with your protection of your hull and at that time you said the same thing! You weren't plugged in and the boat was in fresh water and you had no Issues!!!! This was Long before you ended up in the Boatyard with serious Issues. This is a genuine repeat for you to become educated about! Steel Boats,Corrosion Control.......Galvanic,Stray Current, Mechanical!

[@bolo863]

😂😂😂 Daniel... Serious face and then.... "Shit"

[@FlyingConey]

I was kind of hoping to get some boat driving. It's more fun than boat pulling 🤣

[@jeffreylord8172]

You have started on a long journey, I will follow to your successful sailing adventures .

[@FlyingConey]

We hope to get the structural repairs done within this year and then we can renew the CVO. Then we can lay a new deck and alter the superstructure of the boat. It will be interesting to watch I think.

[@jadams3427]

Hi Daniel, Barbara,.... You are doing such an impressive job with a big project. Clearly, you will achieve all your targets. Mind you... the batteries were really not OK.

[@arottie4097]

Hey guys it's great to hear the leak situation resolved it self! Did the battery failure come as a complete surprise or was it something you knew would need to be deal with soon? Just how heavy were those new batteries? I must say hand moving Miss Coney looked a lot easier than I would have expected!? of course that was watching it speed up on video. Ha!

[@nielsdebakker3283]

The biggest problem is to get it to start moving. (And as mentioned, no wind working against you)

[@FlyingConey]

Very heavy 😂 I think one of them is about 40kg. On the one hand the engine always started without a problem so it was a bit of a surprise. On the other hand the batteries were old, and more on the weaker side for batteries this size. So it was something we hoped that it wouldn't happen.

[@dancarter482]

@@FlyingConey A _BLESSING_ in disguise ~ forcing you to eliminate a potentially catastrophic situation. You are 100% reliant on those batteries so it's great that they are now trustworthy. Congrat's on the successful splash!

[@tommytriglav5181]

I was just joking about leaks in my last comment. Very surprised that the plates leak I guess it is like a wooden boat it always leaks just have to make sure the pump works. Well thanks for sharing all your problems. Maybe you can weld the plates from the outside to stop the leaks but then there are so many rivet holes where water can come in you would have to weld those too. Not sure what you are going to do. Best wishes

[@FlyingConey]

Actually all the leaks stoped after two weeks and the bilge is dry now. Maybe because the plates found their old position or the felt in between the plates swelled a bit. My guess is that it's similar to plumbing with hemp. Welding in the water would be a very bad idea since there are (and we do somehow know that...) imperfections in the steel. If you weld close to them they open up. Welding all seams is possible and had been done at some vessels but we're talking several 100 meters of welding. I think it's more reasonable to just accept that there are some leaks after putting the boat back in the water. It's certainly cheaper.

[@madsamsamsam]

The spark when you connected the last link on the batteries ment that there was a load on the batterys. It might be worth getting that inspected as if its a fault that has a constant draw it could be doing electrolysis damage, ddamage to the battery's, and if not any damage then it costs money charging. Its fantastic seeing her in the water again :)

[@FlyingConey]

How can a spark happen if the batteries don't loose charge at all?

[@madsamsamsam]

@@FlyingConey the spark happened when you where connecting the new batteries. It's the current that makes the spark (ark) happen. Without current flowing there is no spark. That means one or more of 3 things, there is a fault causing current flow, there was something left on creating current flow, the battery charger was switched on creating current flow. Your batteries being knackered leads me to thinking they deep discharged and got damaged during the time on the hard. It's only a hunch but it's the most common cause for battery faults on standby diesel generators (part of my job).

[@FlyingConey]

@@madsamsamsam The old starting batteries were disconnected most of the time so they were just old and weak and it was cold outside. The battery charger isn't connected to the starting batteries, neither are any strong devices. We simply don't have any of them. My guess is that the spark happened because we connected to new, slightly differently charged batteries together. Can that be the reason for the spark? I can measure for leak current today.

[@madsamsamsam]

Yes that is a possible reason, something would still have to be switched on for the circuit to be complete though. It's really easy to put a clamp meter around one of the cables and that will tell you if you have a rogue current flow, or if your battery charger has current read out that will tell you as well, there will be a small amount of constant charge but that should be very small if it's anything larger than say 0.5 to 1A then it might be worth investigating

[@FlyingConey]

The good news is that no sparks occurred today when reconnecting the batteries. We also started to rip unnecessary equipment and cables out. My guess for the reason of the electrolysis damage is that there is no proper bonding on the ship. No ground...

[@randomprecisionmotors3130]

Brupeg over there in Australia has Keel Cooling too...

[@FlyingConey]

It makes a very maintenance friendly and reliable system. The downside is more drag when sailing. We want to add a heat exchanger to the system that we don't need to fill the whole system with coolant. It turned out it would be several hundert liters of coolant....

[@paulj302]

I jumped too, when the batteries sparked, lol.

[@FlyingConey]

Seams like there are two groups but we think it's pretty normal. But always a bit of a shock ⚡️

[@_macrosky]

So genial, hab mich sehr für euch gefreut. Was für ein rießen Schiff.

[@FlyingConey]

Die Länge kommt erst richtig zur Geltung wenn man das Schiff von der Seite sieht. Sonst glaubt man immer das Boot hört hinterm Steuerhaus schon auf. Um ehrlich zu sein dachten wir auch sie wäre kleiner als wir sie gekauft haben. Naja, jetzt ham wir se halt schon 😂

[@para1324]

Very happy for this accomplishment. This was a big step forward. 👏

[@FlyingConey]

Absolutely and thank you! But we are far from the end of the project, but the first step is done. Coming up next: Repairs of the internal structures.

[@Coyotehello]

Yeaaaahhhhh! What a great milestone to put behind you. It might or might not be relevant to Flying Coney but. With an engine that will suck soo much Amperage out of your battery bank. If you have a generator and if the generator powers-up the battery charger you can start the generator before starting the main engine and therefore the batteries do not get challenged as much, saving wear and tear on them.

[@FlyingConey]

We have two 24 volt systems. Two 12V Starting batteries and a forklift batterie house bank. I think the previous owner just bought the starting batteries used back in 2018 and they were not on the stronger side to beginn with. It was cold and I guess the problem is solved now with the new batteries. But let's see...

[@jeremykamel9655]

I understand that you’re long past this point now. I also understand you were doing to best to get your engine running. For future reference if your engine is cranking that slow from low batteries just stop. Stop trying to start it. You’ll end up damaging you’re starter motor. Additionally, you need to switch to battery cable ends that are crimped onto the cables. Because those are only for temporary repairs.

[@FlyingConey]

Thanks for advice! Yes I was rally hoping for the engine to start and maybe cranked it a bit longer for the dramatic effect. I didn't knew that it could damage the starter. And yes we do need to rewire pretty much everything...

[@migueltorres6073]

Good work easy going

[@FlyingConey]

Great team at the shipyard 👍

[@Gus199lll]

Something that struck me when you connected the batteries. The spark indicates that something is drawing current. Was everything switched off? If it was, something is draining the batteries which you need to find otherwise you will have flat batteries again.

[@FlyingConey]

Luckily they don't discharge themselves. The only thing the batteries are connected to is the starter of the engine. Maybe it's just because we're connecting the two 12 volt batteries together. Not sure...

[@lawrencetrapani5623]

@@FlyingConey something is Amiss of your batteries! Hopefully you will go through your battery systems and Are sure you have No Stray Current? A it takes for elec trolysis is a Very Few Volts

[@FlyingConey]

Our starting batteries are disconnected most of the time and the corrosion damage was all over the hull. Stray current on the engine is hard to come by since it's a truck engine. At least that's what I've read in the "Boatonwers Guide to Corrosion". But I will check it as soon as possible.

[@hp7033]

That was quite the spark but since it only sparked the first time it was connected and not again a few hundred milliseconds later suggests that it was just in-rush current to something with capacitance. Not necessarily indicative of a problem. Since @FlyingConey mentioned those were only the starting batteries, I'll assume the glow system is also connected and it's possible there's something in that system that has capacitance. It only takes a minute to check with a meter and would probably be prudent to do so, but I wouldn't be overly concerned if it was me.

[@FlyingConey]

Thank you hp! Curing my paranoia a bit here. As far as I know it's very difficult to get a truck engine in a boat free of any stray current. But we've no charger connected to the starting batteries and the corrosion damage wasn't localized. It was all over the place. We still try to get a good electrician to check the whole system and maybe we find a reason for the damage. So far we only have a few explanations and guesses. My guess is that two not permanently charged starting batteries aren't strong enough to damage a complete hull...

[@jeanhawken4482]

Well done for persevering

[@benters3509]

Thanks for the video. I expect you have already done this, but check the battery for any discharge current when everything is off. Didn’t like the look of that spark when Barbara connected up the negative lead. Also, when the engine is running, check that the battery is being charged. Good Luck.

[@FlyingConey]

We've checked if the alternator is charging and it is. Honestly I do not know what could be switched on. The starting batteries are only for starting and the few gauges at the engine panel. The key was turned off and partly removed. The batteries also don't discharge themselves. Do you think we're safe? I just think the spark happened because we connected the two batteries together.

[@glennjaggard7065]

Thankyou for your reply yes I agree you Both are doing a Fantastic job with the Ship

[@howardtwigg8743]

Check the draw on your new batteries that was a large spark so something is drawing a lot of amps.

[@FlyingConey]

They don't discharge themselves so I guess it's normal if you connect two relatively large 12 volt batteries together. There's definitely nothing that could draw a lot of amps.

[@bryonensminger7462]

You need toseathe inside of the ships haul with a good rubber leak stop

[@bobcollard11]

Nothing like new batteries, Hurray, Hurray!

[@FlyingConey]

My bank account says old working ones are great too. But the new ones are great and have more power.

[@davidpethick83]

Check battery connections test batter with hygrometer...

[@philipstreechon4523]

HI you hav a peracetic draw look at 19:38 time on your video there were sparks when you hooked up the battery there is something wrong and you should have battery disconnect switch. The ship looks great.

[@FlyingConey]

They don't loose charge over time and we have separated service and starting batteries. Maybe it was just because we connected the two 24 volt batteries together and it only sparked the first time.

[@philipstreechon4523]

@@FlyingConey That is good news.

[@chancevonfreund9145]

Love your yacht ! Its very cool. Just ran accross your channel and I enjoyed watching. Cheers🍻

[@FlyingConey]

Welcome aboard! ⛵️

[@tonyjones1317]

I am very happy for you folks

[@FlyingConey]

Thank you very much!

[@DanielWiley]

Outstanding!

[@FlyingConey]

Thanks a lot!

[@sergueiothonucci1638]

💪💪💪💪

[@rickydee5863]

I see Daniel has a monty python sense of humor

[@FlyingConey]

The haron started it!

[@patrickwiklund2039]

👍

[@jimstelfox6120]

Make sure all your earth straps are in good condition, as a bad earth will make starting harder and put strain on a battery good or bad

[@FlyingConey]

Bonding is definitely an issue. But we have planned to re wire the whole boat. Fortunately the engine is starting great. The previous owner saved some money and bought the old batteries at a scrapyard back in 2018. No wander they were in bad condition.

[@youtube_dj_65]

Hello I have a question. Were the batteries disconnected when the ship was being welded? Otherwise your battery cells will burn! And in this case a few cells were broken I saw how it started. And never a ring on your finger when you're working with batteries, even if you're wearing gloves. If you make a short circuit with your ring on, an arc is created that is even hotter than the sun! Then the ring is completely burnt on your finger. Always keep this in mind, safety comes first. I am an expert in electricity and technology and that is what I was taught at school. Good luck with your beautiful project.

[@FlyingConey]

I don't like rings neither does Barbara 😉 But thank you for taking care of us! Of course we disconnected the batteries. They were just weak and old and needed to be replaced.

[@pironiero]

Guys, I cannot even imagine what very thinking well deciding to buy a boat inside a messed up condition. The only thing I can do is to wish you luck.

[@FlyingConey]

It turned out in much worse condition than we thought. The previous owner managed to screw up the electric system that hard that it caused the damage in just about 3 years.

[@pironiero]

@@FlyingConey damn...im afraid to even think about asking you hope much did repair cost

[@thomastaylor6991]

I'm sure you know by now, but just in case,low voltage is the worst thing for a starter motor. On the other end, a starter motor that keeps cranking the engine will not fix the engine. The starter will burn up as well. Isn't it a relief to know if you have a water leak now,it's internal,as in tankard. The time,money,and effort has paid off. I'm sure good fortune will continue.

[@mikef.1000]

Ah, batteries... leave them sit for any time, and they can just drop the bundle :-/ Then you have to bite the bullet, buy a fresh set, and HOPE that you didn't somehow misdiagnose the problem! I don't know if you've tried this, but have you thought of using a 'trickle charger' when the boat is in dock? This will keep the batteries topped up nicely, and can go a long way to making sure they don't just die on you. I use trickle chargers on our vehicles (and on my boat when I had one) if they're not going to be used for 2-3 weeks or more. Great work, you're back in the water, and ready to get going -- exciting days!

[@FlyingConey]

We have to redo the whole electric system just to be 100% sure we don't ruin the hull again. Until then we disconnect the batteries when not in use, we don't have any 220 volt system and we charge the starting batteries only from time to time. That's why we bought a camper...

[@stevekopito]

Can you do a video about the winching system the use at the yard? Looks really old school!

[@danacoyle1826]

You have a riveted hull made of steel leaks just don't go away.i owned a 146 foot steel hull riveted together built in 1937.only way I could stop the leaks were by welding the seams and grinding the heads of the rivets and welding the heads but leaks on a steel boats don't just go away. my experience 61 years as a commercial fishermen and owner of many steel boats

[@FlyingConey]

In our case they leaks stopped after a week or two. Our bilge is bone dry ever since. But they leaks were minor and the boat was on the hard for a long period. So maybe it's because of the natural materials in between the plates or the boat needed to settle. The important thing is the leaks stoped.

[@stephenshort839]

Replace the batteries, if they don't hold a charge. They can be load tested to see if they are still good, if good Replace or rebuild the STARTER.

[@FlyingConey]

The battery were on the weaker side anyways and probably old too. So it was time to replace them. More than 500€ though...

[@eddielane9569]

It's too bad at the bow on the port side that you're letting rust stains come down the new paint. I hope you get up into that area and stop that rusting so you can repaint because if you don't stop it's going to get much worse. Also don't forget to check your water level in your batteries periodically because they can dry up and go bad.

[@FlyingConey]

Thanks for advice. We are not allowed to grind or sand in the harbor we're in. That's why we can't tackle this spot and it's also the reason why we can't attach our nicely printed boat name instead of the black tape. But it's only the weld of the cap rail that's rusting. So more of an optical issue and no big deal to remove it.

[@eddielane9569]

@@FlyingConey I guess you'll address it when you can. The ship is looking pretty good and I know it's going to get better.

[@1911olympic]

Was your engine smoking white during the complete half hour or only in the beginning?

[@FlyingConey]

Usually our engine doesn't smoke at all. Kind of unusual for a DAF. That day it was very cold and it was either filmed right after starting or when going up to 1400rpm. When we drove back to Lelystad there was hardly any smoke. We also used up all the remaining fuel for heating this winter just to make sure to get rid of water that was eventually in the fuel.

[@1911olympic]

@@FlyingConey Hi! That sounds great. Dafs are very good engines: very reliable! Good luck!

[@marcellebaudry5786]

bravo

[@FlyingConey]

Thanks!

[@bobverhulst5793]

The DAF 1160 starts without preheating Daniel, it doesn't have glowplugs. You can just turn the key and it will start.

[@FlyingConey]

No preheating system at all? Good to know! Thank you for advice and I really didn't knew that. Well more suspense in the video I guess...

[@mightyhenk]

lubricate acid-free vaseline over the battery connections to prevent deposits ..,, during engine service do not forget to change the gearbox oil

[@FlyingConey]

It's about time to give the engine and the gearbox a good service. Thanks for the tip with the vaseline!

[@mightyhenk]

@@FlyingConey with service from the daf,, the valve clearance is important,, make sure that the injector leak oil pipe does not leak, this is common with daf,, your lubricating oil then becomes too thin due to the diesel that leaks into it,,, just start after service in idel with the valve covers off and check,,,,, I myself have worked a lot with daf marine engines as engineering, on ships..gr Henk

[@FlyingConey]

Thanks fro advice. The DAF is a great and very efficient engine. We recently talked with the owners of the KFK Sirius. It's equipped with a 12 cylinder Deutz F12M also with a bit more than 300hp just like Flying Coney. But they consume 30-40 liters diesel while we only use 10-15 liters. Is there any indication for a leaking injector leak oil pipe? Unusual for a DAF our engine doesn't smoke.

[@mightyhenk]

@@FlyingConey The retour fuel leakage is a ailment, valves sets is a DAF sensitive to ,, because it is a direct injected moter, especially on water in the fuel, also mainly mount a good water separator, from CAV ,, or Racor, filter system, then make a double set that you can switch from the one to the other filter ,, definitely recommended by sea with largewater sailing ,,, This is also particularly common problem ,,, from experience these are the most problem cause the most problem

[@FlyingConey]

Thanks again Mighty Henk 👍 Not many people around that know much about our engine and the manual for the engine is cryptical at best. I would be very interested in what you've to say about our engine. Maybe we can arrange a video call. But just if you want. Are you located in The Netherlands? All the best and thank you!

[@treetooone]

Jejj!🎉

[@glennjaggard7065]

Tell me are you going to try and treat the rust in the inside Hull I know ou will never beat rust but painting it would hopefully slow it down

[@FlyingConey]

One step at at time but we do want to get the inside of the hull mostly rust free, treat it with rust converter, a rust oil and one component paint. Should do the trick if you ask me.

[@chantedefelepe]

Bloody hell just when you think I might see this old block of Swiss cheese move instead of sink the batteries our flat put lipstick on a pig it’s still a pig this channel is taking years of my life

[@FlyingConey]

We do not put lipstick on we pretty much making a Frankenstein pig out of new pig parts and we don't aim to get a pig we do want to have an elephant! 🐘

[@uschifleischmann6089]

🔝💪👍💗🙌

[@colinbagshaw1796]

Please check you battery earths or run new ones, this could be the cause of your electrolysis and difficult start

[@FlyingConey]

The batteries are not charged permanently and the engine had about 30 running hours in the last 5 years. I don't think it's likely that this was the reason for the damage.

[@lawrencetrapani5623]

It would be a prudent idea to have a Galvanic Isolator and Corrosion monitoring system on your vessel

[@FlyingConey]

Absolutely, we will not plug into shore power without a galvanic isolator. We have no electric system at all at the moment...

[@lawrencetrapani5623]

@@FlyingConey I understand that! Yet, if there are docks or other boats close to you,plugged in or not water conducts current! It can be faulty systems on vessels around you! It just takes Millivolts to activate electrolysis! With the extensive problems you have experienced, it would be wise to do everything you can to make sure your vessel is protected! The investment to have a system installed will be of great value to your well being and your boat as well! Surely you haven't gone though your electrical systems both battery and shore have you?? The boat is very old and problem has systems that are as well,both DC and AC! I suggest this for your benefit! Regards

[@FlyingConey]

In one of the previous episodes you've seen two steel vessels that are our neighbors in our harbor. So I don't think it's a hot harbor. But let us just think that through, a galvanic isolator isolates the electric system aboard from the shore power. Most boats are connected to shore power so if there is a problem in one of the electric system current can flow back through another, not properly isolated boat. But only if it's connected to shore power. Disconnected, not existent connection to shore power should solve any issue? We do think the previous owner has connected two ships together and used the generator on his second ship while welding on Flying Coney. This could explain everything.

[@lawrencetrapani5623]

@@FlyingConey If you do not have shore power it doesn't mean you are safe from galvanic corrosion! When you start your generator to charge batteries, Or start your engine, and you have any faulty wiring you are succeptable to stray current! Neighbors may or not be fine! How old is the wiring to supply boats shore power? These are things to consider especially after you have gone through a nightmare of corrosion on your vessel. It would be prudent in my opinion to check on Corrosion monitoring system that can. Maintain your boat from any of these potential perils again! They can be made to be adjustable depending on your location etc. They are designed to isolate your vessel, even if stray current is not on your boat.

[@FlyingConey]

I've left a longer answer under your other comment but also want to answer that one. Yes it was a nightmare of corrosion. But just that there are no misunderstandings, 1. We did not run the generator, 2. The engine was on for about 30 hours in the last 5 years 3. We nor the previous owner had plugged the vessel into shore power. There's no wiring to plug the boat in.

[@waynehelsel3949]

Are you running 12 volt lights off the batteries or are they just for engine, if you using for lights you may need different type

[@FlyingConey]

Just for the engine and we have a hause bank for everything else. But on a ship most things are 24 volts hence the two batteries 😉

[@waynehelsel3949]

If and when you at dock do you have shore power if so put some daters maintainers on each set of batteries

[@FlyingConey]

@@waynehelsel3949 We don't have or use shore power. We basically need to redo the whole electric system. We start by removing everything that has absolutely no purpose. Old wires and that.

[@gardner959]

While it is entirely likely that you needed new starting batteries, I would look carefully at your charging circuitry. Even pretty marginal batteries should have easily started your otherwise strong and easily starting engine. The fact that the prior day's charging did not give you a useful charge, in my view, points at the charger vs. the batteries. Allowing the batteries to discharge without charging them back up will ruin them, so you want to be sure the charging circuitry is working.

[@FlyingConey]

Thanks for advice. The new batteries pretty much fixed the issue and we've specifically chosen batteries that hold the charge for longer periods. We do not have a charger permanently attached to the starting batteries. They are also much stronger and have more capacity than the old ones. Speaking about the old ones, on the weaker side and bought used back in 2018 and not constantly charged...

[@howardbeer5214]

It could be a bad earth !! DO NOT HOLD THE START KEY on like that as it will destroy the starter motor . First check the batteries are ok and distilled water covers the plates If the batts do not read 12.5 volts they are no good

[@FlyingConey]

I haven't hold the start key just checked if I left it in the "on" position. The engine is stoped with the stop button so it will continue running even if you turn the key. But running the engine without the key isn't good for the alternator. I think the batteries were on the older and smaller side and it was cold that day. Probably they are still strong enough to start the genset...

[@howardbeer5214]

@@FlyingConey Yes that I under stand BUT when you hold the key in start position and it only just turns you should stop and it will damage the starter motor ,anyway well done and make sure you check the earth wires also ALL ELECTRICS on a steel ship should be insulated return so never ever use the ship as an earth or you will get Electrolysis just like you had on the hull outside.

[@FlyingConey]

The Electrolysis damage is still a bit of a miracle. The engine wasn't running much during the last years, neither the generator was. Usually a 24 volt system without a big device like a windlass isn't the cause for a damage on the whole hull like we had. My guess is that if it would've been the starting batteries there would've been a bigger damage in the area of the engine room. Back in the days Flying Coney hull was uses for grounding but this was before she was hauled out in 2018 and it's true that this can cause issues but usually not as severe as we've found it. So our explanations are that either there's a problem in the 220 volt system (we don't use it anymore, disconnected), the lack of anodes caused the damage (we have proper anodes now) or the previous owner had his two ships connected and probably has even welded while both ships were connected. WE've measured the 24 volt system and found no leakage.

[@sallyb3]

😂🎉🎉🎉

[@garry9999]

Hi, are you gonna get her name sign written properly

[@FlyingConey]

We already have a proper written name in golden letters but need to get rid of the rust stains first. So step by step and priorities! But of course she get's a beautifully written name that matches her beautiful lines. Unfortunately our day has just 24 hours.

[@garry9999]

@FlyingConey That will be nice to see, thanks for replying 👍

[@bertram5798]

Jö.