Schooner vs Ketch? Deep dive into traditionally rigged wooden boats.

[@FlyingConey]

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[@thomastaylor6991]

If you think you made the right choice in boats,then you picked the right boat. Keep up the good work.

[@emiliekaroline]

Hi guys, owner of norwegian wooden Colin Archer here, interesting angle of your view on wooden boats... but you have to admit that wooden boats are the most beautiful of all materials and whoever buys a wooden boat takes maintenance as part of a lifestyle, which he knows for sure that there is no more beautiful sight than to bring wood has a new look after a new layer of varnish. If the maintenance is planned well, YES it is constant, but it is not work, it is relaxation and the joy of working with wood as a material. I see many people around me who have become slaves even on plastic boats, where I would say it is the least work, but in reality every material has problems and all boats need constant maintenance and they are made of any material... We are currently in Nederland too and I must say I am looking forward to getting back to sea because the fresh water is killing our boat. You have a subscription, interesting channel. Well done :) Alex

[@davidnichols147]

Dear Barbara and Daniel: exceptional tour of Lubeck, our son lives there so we are quite familiar with this harbor. Your knowledge of sailing history was impeccable and we deeply enjoyed every moment.

[@matswilliams1058]

Among all of us followers, there will always be those who find fault with things. However, they are few and far between, so it's best to focus on the positive comments and skip the negative ones, you can't win them all! Thanks for another rewarding video!

[@billpace3001]

Hello. I'm still here and still enjoying the re-build. Thank you for enduring the discomfort of a cold day, but then you ARE a sailor and it goes with the territory. I forget, do you still have a wood burning stove? AAh, That warmth cannot be duplicated. Guten Nacht!

[@TheDigger76]

I’m happy to hear that you didn’t regret not buying the wooden boat you mentioned. On the other hand, a handshake, particularly in the old Hanse cities like Lübeck, and even more so among merchants and shipowners, is a binding contract that would also hold in court. Old customs die slowly in the north of Germany.

[@FlyingConey]

I know that a handshake is binding and I'm a man who keep to his word. So yes we learned quite a lot on our boat search and lost quite a lot of money. I probably know more about the Samsara than the current owner, because I payed the survey and a lawyer to sort out some legal issues. But our dream was ans still is to sail with people and the samsara is a yacht with 3 sleeping places and a rig that need 6 people to handle it. Lots of quirks within the boat. It's a dream fantasy vessel.

[@patrickcwillis]

Excellent explanation of the types is sail and the history of sailing vessels. Thanks!!!

[@FlyingConey]

Glad you've enjoyed the video. I can't wait to add a rig on Flying Coney so we can finally show you how to sail such a ship. The feeling of a huge ship being powered by the wind is incredible.

[@dominicbuckley8309]

@@FlyingConey Good summary of traditional fore and aft rigs. On the schooner / ketch debate, I would definitely go with schooner. However, one word keeps coming to my mind. Brigantine. Go on, you know you want to.....!😀

[@LoganJohnson-lm2bh]

I love the wooden boat and i have owned a few in my lifetime .The first wooden boat i was ever on was an 80 foot tug boat . i was a Teenager then I worked for a man that built floating docks for marinas .We would build then and then launch them and tie them together like a giant raft and use the tug to tow them from the lake front thru a lock to the open water on these trips i would then be a deck hand and also watch over our tow .the reason for all this was i knew how to work on the tugs engine ,a 8oo horse diesel cat , the electrical systems as well , eventually the pilots first mate went back to piloting another boat the skipper owned and i became the first mate on this one .those were Glorious days in my life .

[@ianchristie2352]

This was a very interesting insight into sailing ships . Thank you.

[@hostrup001]

Thank you for a very nice historical overview 👍👍

[@kerryverity963]

You obviously were meant to own Flying Coney. I think you’re doing a great job. I can’t wait to see what you do with her!❤ to you both.

[@HolyGrailSailing]

This is a great episode. Thanks for the tour and the history.

[@billradford2128]

A lovely episode that illuminates your vision. I can see this becoming the next Tallyho channel. All power to your elbow.

[@hamiam2243]

Great video 👍💯🎥 one thing I can tell you for sure, you will look back at your life with absolutely zero regret. ⛵️🌎

[@Coyotehello]

Nice visit to Luebeck harbor thank you!

[@Marshmish]

Daniël, Barbara, You've just brought me some lovely memories back to mind of working and living in Lübeck in the 1980s, although I worked in many places throughout Germany Lübeck has special memories. I think this is probably the first time I've commented but I have followed and enjoyed your journey from the start. Long may it last and thank you dearly.

[@AlfredBelpaire1820]

A different kind of video. Very instructive. I like it too. I am in Nieuwpoort today, who knows maybe Flying Coney will visit Nieuwpoort one day. There are hundreds of sailing boats here. And still a few fishing vessels. FC could very well fit in the middle of both bassins.

[@petermonro5643]

nice video. I liked the pictures of the old boats

[@Rhumbo008]

Great episode and very informative with the various classic ships berthed. Cheers, Jim

[@gossebijlenga9075]

Bedankt

[@FlyingConey]

That's lovely. Thank you very very much!

[@Tscaperock]

Very fascinating information. I am not a sailor. I had no idea about the difference between these boats. Thanks.

[@iainbrooks6558]

Very enjoyable & educational, thank you both. I live aboard an English narrowboat and, like any boater, every day's a school day.

[@bogus_not_me]

Very informative video. Thanks for sharing your knowledge! I might also guess as ships got bigger they added masts and gaff or square rigs to give them more speed for long voyages, and some purpose built boats got fewer sails to maintain speed and help running with a smaller crew.

[@kdkuaana]

Thank you for sharing all these beautiful boats with us. I learned a lot about the different kind of boats.

[@exae352]

very informative

[@andersholt4653]

Thank you for a very informative video. I got many answers to questions I didn't know I had!!! You're doing a top job, both with Flying Coney and with your videos. Thanks for sharing. Greetings from Sweden 🇸🇪.

[@FlyingConey]

"Many answers to questions I didn't know I had" 🤣🤣🤣 Made my day! Thanks for this comment!

[@Naplesfrank154]

I really wish that you would put more content up about Flying Coney. If I remember correctly, last week you just did a review of what you have done already, this weeks video wasn’t even about Flying Coney. Your regular videos of Flying Coney are usually short and you do more taking about what you did than showing the actual work, that’s what we want to see. I don’t want this comment to come across as negative, I really just want to see more content and longer videos about your working on Flying Coney. You guys could have a very interesting channel if you would just put up more content in your videos. Again, please don’t take my comments as an attack or me being nasty or rude, I am just interested in what you guys are doing. Have a wonderful weekend and God bless you both. ❤

[@davidellis2021]

Nice video - thanks!

[@JamiePopkin]

Very well explained... Thank you.

[@yiosmukantagara]

I really enjoyed this. Excellent video!

[@flatworm00]

Thanks for posting! I learned a lot...

[@tau3457]

First time finding your channel and this was very enjoyable.

[@FlyingConey]

Welcome aboard! Glad you found the channel.

[@RonaldJHElzenga]

Danke!! For this very interesting and informative vlog in Lubeck harbour. As also a great lover of classic ships..including wooden ones..it was a sight to behold. Saw another wooden movie famous brig for sale in England recently.❤ As a boat and windjammer geek little kid I dreamt of owning such a ship one day. But finally..totally unexpectedly..had already given up hope..bought an old looking but 'only' 38ft steel (for the same reasons you mentioned) 2 mast sailing vessel that I even live on now..and plan to convert her to a little brig in the future.🎉😅 Nice vlog, do it more often when you like..in between all the work on your own beauty!!!😊🎉

[@kennethwikert2841]

Well done!

[@hellodarren]

Really enjoyed this! Looking forward to the next video!

[@RPSchonherr]

I did learn something. Danke.

[@SavingMaverick55]

Another great video, guys. I totally get your rationale for buying a steel ship and cant wait to watch that old trawler morph into a tall ship. My calculus on the subject was a bit different. Firstly I wanted a boat that was 30-40ft that i could get for little or no upfront cost but wasnt so far gone that it wouldn't be worth saving. That pretty much ruled out a steel boat. So i was down to fiberglass or wood. Ive been woodworking my entire life and have absolutely no experience with fiberglass. Not that i couldn't learn fiberglass, i just have no real desire to, and im just a bit of an unreconstructed traditionalist, so I ended up with an uber traditional 30ft wooden ketch in need of a full restoration. Should be fun.

[@dcallan812]

interesting video 2x👍

[@janhellinck6830]

i have learned a lot

[@pablomax9376]

Keep up the hard and good work. Ps.. thanks for going to a normal mustache. Soooo much better.

[@theconfessionsof_a]

Very interesting, I really appreciate the explanation

[@KenDavies-qv3fs]

Thank you

[@shortribslongbow5312]

Very nice video enjoyed the sail boat information. Keep up the great work. :o)

[@joeldumas5861]

Totally agree with the beautiful vs easy handling dilemma. - a schooner is a stately piece of history. Especially a gaff schooner and even more with a square topsail. If you could rig Flying C*ney like your channel logo, she will be awesome. The perfect choice if you plan to seduce clients. - however, we chose our family offshore yacht to be a steel ketch with cutter rigged foremast. Definitely the easiest to handle for ocean crossing with 2 toddlers!

[@ozenfant_ozn]

i need to visit Lübeck.

[@FlyingConey]

Actually the 140 year old wooden ship that is in the video just sank in the harbor because of the bad overall condition of the hull. Very very sad 😭

[@ozenfant_ozn]

=O

[@Темар-к1ы]

Какие же вы молодцы! Большое спасибо за ваши видео. Жаль старые корабли с грибами. Возможно кто нибудь займется ими и будет еще один канал про реставрацию.

[@FlyingConey]

More likely about how to get broke after buying a wooden ship. 😂

[@Темар-к1ы]

@@FlyingConey Ship Happens еще на плаву =)

[@cookielover9062]

Hey im really enjoying your videos, Im actually one of the skippers of Aglaia and we are going again to the Tall ship races this year if you are interested hit me up btw she is 15m not 10m long😉

[@mara1982cz]

A think Yawl is best option for long range sail boat. Size 33 - 55ft.

[@FlyingConey]

Yawls are very beautiful boats. I always wanted to have some classic racing yacht and I'm a huge fan of the balanced look of the Yawl rig. Many of them however got the aft mast removed later on because with modern materials for the masts and spars a Bermudan rig outperforms the Yawl rig.

[@daveg4963]

I inspect wood framed decks for a living. we call those shrooms "fruiting bodies".

[@waynehelsel3949]

There was an old sail boat for sale in USA cheap , if does not sale it’s going for scrap , I forget the length but was over 100 years old

[@Harry-bh5dg]

Great explanation why a metal over a wooden boat, I agree 100%, my father in law had a wooden boat and the up keep was a nightmare, in fact we never stopped repairing it, Samsara looks like it could be a beautiful ship but a lot of work to keep it there, you are going to have a stunning ship of your own and I really like following your adventures.

[@FlyingConey]

The problem is you can't do things later on a wooden boat. You only get one chance to maintain and to repair. Rust is much slower and you can put a little bit of Owatrol on the rust and repair things when you have time for it. With a wooden boat the only time to repair things is now, and even that's too late.

[@dominicbuckley8309]

@@FlyingConey Yep. When you replace a steel plate, you know it's OK - it wont be affected by rust in an adjacent plate. When you replace a wooden plank, if there are rot spores left behind in the adjacent planks, they will multiply and rot out the new wood just as quickly as the old. I have an old wooden boat, and been lucky - in 25 years of ownership, I've only needed to replace 0.5m of one plank. But you have to be meticulous and you have to be an enthusiast: keep it in A1 condition, and you're fine, but try to put something off and you'll end up with 10 times the work.

[@harrisji]

Great video thanks.

[@FlyingConey]

Glad you liked it! Thanks for watching 😊

[@happykanu4355]

Servus, ihr schönsprechenden Renovierer... wieviele Personal wird FC im Endausbau zum Segeln brauchen? lgf

[@FlyingConey]

Unter Motor reichen zwei Personen um das Boot zu bewegen. Unter Segel sollten es dann mindestens 6 Personen sein. Personal im eigentlichen Sinne gar keines. Wer mitkommt darf auch mit anpacken und lernt das Handwerk.

[@uschifleischmann6089]

Lübeck is wonderful ❤

[@FlyingConey]

It absolutely is 👍

[@sergueiothonucci1638]

😃

[@johnbaggus9966]

Wood is good but steel is real , ketch rigged please🏆

[@FlyingConey]

Why do you prefer the ketch rig?

[@johnbaggus9966]

@@FlyingConey apart from the beauty, the money saved on cargo handling (no need for a crane in most cases) fewer crew and better handling, you can still race but don't expect to win against any other type of rig , just you two continue to chase your dream 🏆 PS, it took me 5 years to refit my 50 foot Nelson so don't loose heart

[@RandomPrecisionMotors]

In my experience with a used Wooden Boat what you CAN see is only the "tip of the iceberg"...it's generally MUCH worse than what you can merely see...

[@FlyingConey]

I believe that the amount of maintenance to keep a boat in good shape is not much different in between materials. It's a lot of work to keep a wooden boat ship shape and it's a constant battle against rust on a steel boat. The difference ist on a wooden boat you need to fix things better yesterday than tomorrow. If you have a leaking deck for a few months the damage is immense. On a steel boat you can fix things later and you can make temporary fixes. A little bit of rust converter or linseed oil and it's good for another 6 months.

[@markmessner4554]

I’ve been meaning to share, In my opinion, I think you do too much of “why we are doing what we are doing”. No need to explain. However, it is your channel and obviously you should do as you wish.

[@FlyingConey]

It really bothers me that no matter what I say it really makes no difference at all. People believe what they want to believe. I often wonder why people watching our videos if they disagree with everything what we say. KZbin is incredible boring and frustrating at the moment. No matter how much work we put into a video they all perform the same.

[@markmessner4554]

@@FlyingConey I totally agree. People can be very frustrating to deal with. It seems that the goals of some people are just to create dissent and to be irritating. My encouragement to you is - do as you wish, do not read the comments that disagree with you, continue on with the format that best suits your style. DON’T GIVE UP!!

[@swedishkev]

Wow,that boat would of been 99% less work than you have on your hands now. you would of been sailing the world now, not giving a another 5 years of hard labour. I think you made a huge mistake.

[@FlyingConey]

I think you underestimate how much the repairs mentioned in the video cost on a wooden boat. The stem alone is a 40k repair. That's twice what we've paid for 3 months shipyard time. But believe what you want. I've tried to explain and I've been very open and transparent on where the problems are.

[@dominicbuckley8309]

@@FlyingConey Big wooden boat fan here, but even I have to agree that steel is much better for a working vessel. Samsara may be a real beauty, but the fact that she is only 16 years old and has already needed a new stem and now has huge shakes in the side of her coachroof suggests poor timber quality (a big problem in recent years); there is a strong likelihood of additional defects emerging and unforeseen repairs required, all interfering with sailing schedule.

[@Ppbxvii]

I think the entire matter is much more complex than “99%” less work…that is highly debatable over time. The facts are that they have bought Flying Coney and it is their home and life now; the key is making the work possible, affordable, and rewarding. No project this size is going to be without unexpected damage and problems however, people who have their priorities straight and are going forward with their eyes open will be as successful as their strength of confidence, will and abilities. I think that both of you are, as much as possible, fully understanding of what is “coming at you” and I have a lot of faith in your ability to bring this whole project off very successfully. I look forward to watching you and helping in some small ways that I can; I invite everyone who enjoys this story and the work you are doing to help out in whatever manner they can…even the negative voices. Best of luck and Gods speed.

[@kevinmartin3859]

I don't know whether you have watched Josephine in the UK she is a wooden ship which has extensive repairs in Gloucester docks but now looks fantastic but as you say wood ships do tend to rot very quickly hms victory is now undergoing extensive repairs with most of original wood all gone good luck with flying cloney

[@alexandermarken7639]

A steel hulled sailing vessel can be far more seaworthy. The wiki page included is one of the fastest and best ship ever built. Certainly one of the most beautiful. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preussen_(ship)