FMCSA to Make Brokers Foot Detention Bills! 💵 Drivers Rally for Mandatory Waiting Times

[@outwestexplorer1966]

Shippers and receivers should be required by law to compensate drivers for there time. I've spent hours even a full day or more at loading docks with no compensation at all. Walmart dcs are good for this. Try making hourly employees show up to work and not pay them and see what happens.

[@shaungilmartin1505]

wharehouses are using trucks as external pluggable short term storage to facilitate their goods movements.

[@finalmidnight]

Very astute. "Just In Time Shipping" just shifts the capability and costs one step along the supply chain.

[@elgordo496]

Yes. However, if we were paid by the hour, you wouldn't have to worry about this!

[@EcoBluetransport]

I cant stand the excuses i constantly hear! The worst one i had was me being 45 minutes early on site, waiting in line, and ut took until 6 minutes after my delivery before in gate officially checked me in. They said i was late..hell No!

[@absarking99]

How come no one is talking about the free 2 hour we drivers have to wait. Nothing is free in this world, why should our time be.

[@DnC2005]

1000% yes. Truckers need to be brought under the fair labor standards act!! It’s criminal that every other working person in the country has rights except truckers. As soon as we go on duty loading or unloading at the shipper or receiver we should begin being paid hourly.

[@mackdog3270]

Yeah, it's funny. Half of my job consists of waiting at a dock. Take my current trip as an example. Total miles one way was about 430, that's approximately 7 hours driving. My first appointment was at 0400 and my last finished up at around 1300, add in about 90 minutes of driving and that's my day. There are places I used to deliver to that could off load the same amount of freight as any one of today's stops in 15 minutes. Those places are very rare though and should be treasured. Most grocery store chains are extremely strict about appointment times while not caring about the driver's time at all. Hell, safeway used to charge a $500 late fee for more than a half hour behind then keep you sitting for 8 hours at the dock for 5 or 6 pallets.

[@jonnysaint5261]

I have a few clients who are Owner Operators and their biggest complaint is Broker's playing games, so I say Brokers should be forced by FMCSA to pay up.

[@franciscomontano7724]

Waiting time should be ethier shipper or receivers responsibility if it takes them so and so long because of the product order whatever, they should be the ones paying them for them paying in for retention

[@basimnadeem1596]

Do you really think the broker pays out of pocket for detention? All of that is billed to their customer who pays them after 30 days Including the Detention on those loads. It’s only when Brokers can’t get the confirmation from their Customer that they’ll pay a certain Detention, is when they inform the carrier that they can’t pay for this detention and come up with some BOGUS reason. That’s the part that annoys everyone but rest assured Brokers don’t pay anything from their own pockets

[@franciscomontano7724]

@@basimnadeem1596 I know how it works but in this case it would make them do their job quicker because no company will let their employees have an unlimited amount of time to check in and out the trucks when the longer they take the more they pay the broker, carrier, owner of product etc in my opinion

[@contact35o]

They need to create a clearinghouse and mandate brokers to deposit X amount of money for possible detention pay, and have them deposit in advance of every load. And let the carrier submit bols to that clearinghouse for verification. And let the broker dispute it if they feel they have good reason. But The goal should be to remove the leverage they exert and opportunity for brokers to not pay. They should also do the same for lumper fees

[@johanding6161]

Totally agree just like damage deposit

[@itsking2u]

Hell yeah the driver's clocks are running why not.

[@yingstj100]

Why is your 70hr clock running while you're waiting? You're not required to per DOT.

[@itsking2u]

@@yingstj100 14 hour clock.

[@yingstj100]

@@itsking2u your 70hr clock is what matters. You can manipulate your 14hr clock a lot easier than your 70hr clock.

[@itsking2u]

@@yingstj100 I don't think you understand what I'm trying to get at?.

[@yingstj100]

@@itsking2u I do. I just don't see the 14hr rule as an obstacle. There are ways to legally manipulate it to maximize its use. When you tap out your 70hr, you become limited until you get a reset.

[@finalmidnight]

The answer to all three is: Small Claims Court. Have a person on staff with the duties of "collections"; the final step of that is to go and file with the small claims court. It is easy to document every step of the transaction process. Collect affidavits from the driver, along with other evidence to show that they were on time and kept waiting. Eventually, when the court date comes up, the matter will not require a lawyer and will be over in less than an hour. There are already laws in place that makes this behavior illegal, use the laws we have and the system that is available.

[@stilliraise9201]

What's the requirements for O/O flatbed drivers? Truck yr?

[@richcherwalk6349]

You're going to sue another company from another state in small claims court for a few hundred bucks? Travel time, hours wasted and a destroyed relationship with the shipper would be the only result. Shippers need to be somehow punished by fcsma more easily to force compliance.

[@finalmidnight]

@@richcherwalk6349 If the shipper doesn't pay, then you don't want the business. Buddy, how does "collections" end for you?

[@finalmidnight]

@@richcherwalk6349 You know that you get to file in your local court, right? They made an agreement with you. Harm was done to you, where you live. Your local court has jurisdiction. They can travel to defend the case, default, or settle. This kind of thing is literally what small claims court is for.

[@BombillaShooter]

Ronen this video blew my mind with the info. As a company driver I’m never let into the minutiae of the back office. Effing amazing info. Thanks so much!!

[@thatsreality5184]

Had me thinking this was already a done deal. And why is the driver only getting $60 of $255 bucks.

[@GeneralTruckerz]

I think most shippers and receivers are aware of the detention they're just trying to not pay. Some of the Amazon loads drivers were sitting for a day and a half and I don't think they got paid they were floor loaded. I was called by a broker a well-known that had an amazon load that was floor loaded and, in the note, it specified no detention to be paid.

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[@Artur_Khazin]

That's exactly the reason why I'm leased to a career and not running my own authority, so I don't have the headache of dealing with those brokers.

[@preppertrucker5736]

Ronan you don’t want the FMCSA getting involved because you don’t want to pay that OT 😂

[@paynemaker]

Blacklist facilities or brokers who abuse your drivers. To continue to accept the abuse will only lower your value.

[@frederickknapp5340]

I believe that the shipper/receiver should foot the bill. Maybe they would push to move trucks faster if they start losing money.

[@redrumssam5888]

Exactly

[@JonathonPearson-z5d]

Honestly I think FMCSA should also make it mandatory if you don't get out within 2 hours of the customer or receiver they have to wire you the money for the waiting time a lot of customers I've been to they told me they're short staffed or a lot of them are union based and they take breaks every hour it seems like

[@markrupprnkamp5832]

As a company driver. I remember one company selectively paying so drivers detention time and not others even with gps times and proper paper work and dispatchers name listed. Only after complaining at company meeting did that change. Most of us company drivers don't know how to collect when new in the business or are afraid of going to the labor bureau for fear of retaliation buy the company.

[@adambennett2176]

I think we the truck drivers should wait even longer and then have to pay the shipper or receiver if it takes them longer then 2 hours to unload or load us.

[@kevinknoff9809]

Yes, the FMSC needs to be the third party to sort things out.

[@jayc4715]

All w2 employees should get paid for ALL time in the truck

[@saqibsiddiqi6684]

Currently watching this video while waiting for a pickup since 6 hours and counting

[@joeharley7989]

Shipper and Reciever should be responsibile

[@EcoBluetransport]

100% this is the biggest source of contention and they will try anything to avoid paying up.

[@gaming6048]

Yes yes yes

[@truckerhawk]

Regardless. Their needs to be some rules in place covering these issues and penalties opposed on broker when the rules not followed. So the broker can't just blow you off. Whatever that takes. Trucking works with other industries like cranes, fork lifts etc. Each of those industries get paid for all their time. Time should start when driver shows up. No minimum 2 hrs give shipper.

[@Prachka1]

FMCSA should get involved. Since brokers and/or shippers refuse to pay for detention - let FMCSA help out.

[@gabrielscott2747]

Best illustration of the brokers shenanigans explained in best details….anytime you stop around Plano Tx, go into any bar and get a chilled beer….bill on me.

[@frederickknapp5340]

No way should the company or O/O be responsible for this payment. The way shippers/receivers are, this could cost an O/O thousands. What O/O can afford that. If FMCSA has to get involved to make shippers/receivers/brokers pay the bill, then I say yes. We can use our voice and votes to stop any other reg.

[@finalmidnight]

The O/O should say: "We have an agreement, pay up or I'll walk and tell *everyone* I know that you don't pay. Then we will go to small claims court and you will pay anyway."

[@pointnIaugh]

It shouldn't matter. If a company driver is detained, the company should pay the driver, and take up the issue with the shipper or broker. It shouldn't be the drivers responsibility to argue with stupid dispatchers about being paid. A company once decided not to pay me detention. When I went on home time, I refused to come back out until they issued me a check. Never had a problem again. They can find someone else to work for free.

[@preppertrucker5736]

Being that I’ve been in the factory most of my life or the manufacturing business I found it pretty damn unfair that the company gives two hours free to the shipper, which means that the driver doesn’t get paid either even though he’s the one thats sitting…. That’s why many drivers including myself want drop and hooks only 👍

[@BarnacleBoy42069]

I've had drop n hooks that took 8 hours for the trailer to be ready though, I guess it's a more rare occurrence but it still happens

[@preppertrucker5736]

@@BarnacleBoy42069It’s rare but does happen….. 8hrs though 😡

[@dyjdoyourjob8913]

This is what I have done a few times and worked 8 out of 10 times, I am a driver and I talk to brokers directly and if i am waiting more than 3hrs. I'll give the broker a call and ask him if I am getting reimbursed for my time ether they call the shipper and get me loaded and if it doesn't happen I'll call them back and tell them I am ready to walk away from this load if I don't have a confirmation for a amount we agreed on they will send a revised confirmation because just as much as we don't want to walk away they also don't want to look for another driver that will delay their shipping too is just like playing chicken with them they have more to lose that's the bottom line.

[@Lookout-jy9dk]

Two hours wait time is too much. Maybe shippers should be directly liable to the carrier for wait time over 1 hour? That would motivate shippers to be ready. Something like $80 first hr and 200 each hour after that. Drivers can lose loads and money to run trucks or APUs while sitting.

[@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News]

I second that motion!

[@mikeleggiero2524]

To many companies and o/o don't know there cost they can preach it all day step over dollars and chase dimes. The truck needs to get payed for everything they do. Knowing . You're cost per day to run the truck and pay a driver that were you start not rate per mile. . You have a day to load and a day to unload then the miles to do the load you need to get payed for your time. . A rate should reflect time and mile not just mile. . You have time plus cost in a load . All the miles tell me is how long your on the load. 33 year I n trucking I made more on percent then getting payed by the mile. 22 years as a o/o .

[@sssnipermonkey5566]

I say get rid of brokers, dispatchers, and too many middle crap bullshiii and have shippers, receivers, owner operators and fleets deal business directly.

[@dirkcauley4172]

I keep a list of companies and brokers I won’t work with. Wasting my time and not paying me will get you on it pretty quick. Biggest reason I stopped hauling TQL loads.

[@SimRacingVeteran]

It always seemed to be done loading or offloading 5 minutes before I’m about to start getting paid wait time. Which in turn always meant I got no paid wait time.

[@aaronbouquet644]

Another one, can’t shop freight that isn’t ready to ship. Have lost other opportunities waiting on a broker to send a rate con only to have them come back after lunch with “yeah they are still waiting on a piece, can you be there next monday” meanwhile we lost all the good freight from the open of the market.

[@promedic92]

I agree with you Roman. The less we let Government into our business the less chance they have to find ways to take our money. We should be policing ourselves. If a broker/shipper/receiver is abusing the system we as operators should tell them to pound sand. Less government is ALWAYS better than more government. As a profession, we should be trying to eliminate 3rd party brokerages. Technology is advanced enough that even a independent O/O can keep, maintain and operate a customer base. Even if he contracts dispatching out he can still manage a customer base without brokerage. Brokers are (barely) one step higher than the government when it comes to taking something while giving nothing.

[@richcherwalk6349]

But shippers would have to hire more people to deal with logistics and take on insurance expenses, small to medium size companies would sooner outsource it.

[@floriniancau5766]

In the reality,the shipper /receiver not have enough workers /forklifts to do the job on time.The legislation must be modified.The principal initial invoice must be paid in 30 -45 days and for the additional time must have the 2-nd separate invoice with reference to first invoice.The 2-nd invoice can be done in the justice and not affect the principal invoice where is included fuel ,driver payment ,transportation company expenses.

[@yingstj100]

Saving your 70hr to run miles is more cost beneficial that logging on duty time for detention pay. Unless you're getting $35hr + for detention, it's better to save your hours to run miles.

[@jameshuelsman7888]

I log sleeper while being loaded/unloaded and still claim detention lol

[@yingstj100]

@@jameshuelsman7888 I know most guys do and I don't blame guys for doing it. I just worry about if it catches up to you. Believe it or not, it's not DOT that will catch up to you, it will be some ambulance chasing lawyer.

[@aceshot8073]

Yes brokers sometimes also give the wrong information there are some small companies that cant afford the waiting or additional fees

[@frederickknapp5340]

that part really pisses me off. If the load isn't ready then don't put it out for shipment.

[@MichaelHauenstein-s2c]

No fees are charged to carrier when driver is late for pickup or delivery. No fees charged when carriers attempt to deliver early by contacting consigned directly, even when notice has been given strictly forbidding such action. On long haul shipments pick up times are considered earliest pickup time only. Delay in loading primarily cost carrier driving hours and nothing more. When consignee establishes an appointment time for delivery then the waiting time goes into effect as the delay in loading could potentially leeks to late delivery. Brokers / shippers understand that carriers are regulated as to driver on and off time requirement. Shipper should be given appointment time + 2 hours for unloading. Anything greater than this should be charged back to broker / shipper

[@Aaron-od4pq]

YES the FMCSA should get involved it's the driver that actually does the driving and waiting keeps getting screwed! None of the above are out anything but that driver is! I'm so sick of how crappy the driver gets treated in every aspect of the job But we are needed. If we don't drive nothing gets moved no one else will make money either!

[@Jimmy30015]

As a company driver, i do not get paid detention hours even though dispatcher and broker claimed it, but they get to keep it. Recently had a total of 21 hours of detention in 2 different days and haven’t seen any of that money. And better not talk about escrow accounts and getting paid 2 weeks after 🤦‍♂️

[@oscarclavijo34]

That’s why no more Cysco, C&S-Houston, no Unitede Cold Storage-Dallas. Company need to stop doing loads for receiver like this. Then they treat you badly.

[@geemonee]

they should make the shippers and receivers foot the bill there the ones that take forever to get us loaded/unloaded

[@victorperezjr.8122]

Companies that have lease purchase program should also pay detention for planning wrong.

[@MrBeast-1]

Not directly in trucking - but sounds like those brokers who screw people should not be worked with.

[@HunterPBrown]

This would put a massive blow on those ridiculous grocer warehouse suppliers. Us foods, sysco, distribution centers, etc etc all those unionized slugs at capstone better get the lead out. The problem is, it's FMCSA...

[@kodamag-bb2of]

Oh yeah it’s all the unions fault 😂.

[@HunterPBrown]

@@kodamag-bb2of yeah. Get rid of them. Walmart did and I'm barely there longer than 2 hours. If only everywhere else would follow suit.

[@Proofistruth]

Ronin, they should get involved. Because until ur the 1 constantly getting jerked around for ur money, then U can’t speak for the driver. This game is a predatory game, and until the rules change for the ruling class, drivers will always have these problems. It’s been time that we deal with & treat them the exact same way that they treat us.

[@rayhoffman4697]

I was told to pickup a load in St. Joseph, MO at 9am this past Sunday. I deadhead 3 1/2 hours to get there and was told load won't be ready till Monday. It took them 4 hours to load me. Then they went to lunch for an hour. When they got back from lunch that's when they gave me the bols!!!

[@thanniss]

The FMCSA needs to step in and set rules down. Penalties need to be done after 2 hours but from when the carrier arrives. If there is a delay in the revise FMCSA should allow filling against the bond with proof that it happened. Should be a blanket rate across the board and automatic. No longer allowing shippers to not pay detention.

[@joseonate3237]

🙌 yes

[@roscoewallace6627]

Drove 18 yrs. Have never received any detention. Average unpaid on duty time per week between 20 to 30 hrs. This is standard operating procedure. In trucking the only people making money are the brokers,repair shops, fuel stops, police and the dot The driver's don't even get grease before being bent. Facts. Go short haul, or local and get your civil rights back.

[@williamobrien1593]

Can you do a video on lost revenue waiting at shippers or waiting to book a load, incurred in a business with a similar fleet size as yours? Simple math

[@ahmedjawad4478]

Yes they should b How many brokers will we leave for not getting paid

[@Chedy2008]

I don’t deliver till get an updated rc. They have no incentive when loads delivered.

[@stilliraise9201]

What's the requirements for the O/O flatbed drivers? Truck Year. Can we use your flatbed trailer?

[@gobgoober6797]

I do believe they should get involved. They (brokers) need some type of regulation. Right now, any fool can get a laptop and take a certification program and become a broker. They can take a (converted to CPM of course) 4$ load and post it for 1.95 CPM and you know someone will take it. Most of the brokers do get detention but don’t pass it along. I feel that because most carriers (including mega) have in house brokerage is the reason why it’s not an issue on the main stage. Too many folks profit from the “Wild West” industry that’s known as brokering freight.

[@fredkiroglo5258]

That issue never will be fixed. Because the broker doesn't want to lose money also broker, they don't wanna lose partnership with the customer. So that is why OO is always gonna lose money.

[@delrickrodriguez4566]

I would said YES it’s time to have a law that protect the driver or owner operator. This will stop the abuse between shippers and brokers. This will eliminate the hot potato game at the end the driver and owner operator always paid the consequences and Brokers and Shippers keep the abuse, I would said enough is enough and show respect to drive and owner operator look are side not broker and shippers

[@roadlion7195]

Yes!!! Why aren’t we getting paid to wait? Everyone else working is!

[@tjman-uy2oz]

Just getting into the industry and what would you do if the load was delivered late and they got held up at the receiver for several hours are they still responsible for detention or no?

[@jameswest4917]

If I'm not loaded within 2 hours, I'm bouncing on the load.

[@catalinconstantinsocea4207]

This is why owner operators back off shady loads/unloads.It’s not that they are unreasonable, but time is life, time is health ,time is money

[@WenZhang-ll3px]

Rolan，how To buy accidental insurance, what’s the between worker compensation and accidental insurance please?

[@BigRigJeffro]

I think every hour should be paid. It would force them to get you in and out quicker.

[@jamesbreithaupt5138]

See Paul Harvey "from freedom to chains" about government services

[@tuyenhuynh8781]

I think FMCSA should involve and regulate

[@williamrichardson3993]

I agree with you. Government entities are empire builders at best.

[@truckingwithnose]

I usually refuse to send in the bol until I receive a revised rate con because brokers will steal your detention time and say the customer didn’t pay once u send it in the fmcsa won’t do anything they are against truckers it’s a steal all for brokers and it’s no regulations for the brokers trucking is nasty right now too cutthroat

[@worshamslawnservice3052]

Yes make the brokers pay up.

[@Tj-xl3kg]

The sniper should be held responsible. Due to it was there fault it took them 5 hours. And the broker should help you to get that pay. It's only right. The drivers only get payed by the mile. Are time should be worth something. We are getting screwed more than every one knows. High prices on everything and they want you to pull freight for cost of operating the truck which puts you in the red if something happens. Things have got to change. Rates should be 3 to 3.50 ppm. To me that's a fair all around number.

[@DnC2005]

Key word you use is “the company should cover the driver” the overwhelming majority of companies do not cover the driver’s time. And that’s why the FMCSA should get involved. No one cares about the driver they just get S on all the time so the company can make max profits.

[@ryangolding9442]

I've been watching this channel for years and this is one video I mostly DISAGREE with. As a driver myself he is speaking mostly from a company owner point of view. Everyone no matter the industry deserves overtime pay no matter the job. Nobody wants to be away from their family for 70 hours a week every week every month of their life "by force because barely any companies give us driver's the option to work less then 12 hours" and not be paid time and a half for their sacrifice. And if this bill causes hours to be cut for drivers and more part timers brought on then that's a GOOD thing. The only thing I would change about this bill personally is to make overtime mandatory after 50 hours instead of 44 hours for truckers.

[@kevinknoff9809]

So, your saying the FMSMC is worst than the broker merry go around

[@andrewallen9993]

Truck drivers should have a union, they could call it the teamsters union or something.

[@lamontdavis3838]

Yes I think they should because we don’t get payed our worth giving a customer free wait is why they do it

[@michaelcopeland8985]

That 2 hours free is per BS! We are expected to be at the pickup on time, I expect to be loaded/unloaded at time.

[@MS-oz2wu]

Shippers need to foot the bill.

[@truckingwithcliff]

Detention time needs to start at time if check in if all appointment times are met, thus free 2 hrs is bs and we are the only industry that gets to work for free the first 2-4 hrs and some shippers/brokers scam drivers with this fcfs bs even thiugh they know they don't get in any hurry loading or unloading trucks. The Detention rate needs to be $100 an hr minimum.

[@firstfreightlines750]

Fmcsa or any government for that matter should not be involved. If they don't pay then quit doing business with them. That simple!!! Also in flatbed really don't have detention issues. And when I book a load I figure how many days I will be on it and that's what I charge. If they don't want to pay I move on. Also I'm not in the business to move the customers freight for free. I make it very clear that I will be paid for my miles if the load canceled. To and from!!! Trust me when I say... there are good customers. Just have to find them.

[@aaronbouquet644]

The second a broker isn’t being paid to do next to nothing they are no longer gonna answer that phone. If anything is gonna be mandated the wait times would be a great start. They have a legal obligation to pay it and they have to own the problem.

[@cat7594387]

How do you feel about that bill to try to get driver's overtime pay

[@delmontegreenbeans]

Y’all do know drivers are being replaced?

[@lndconstruction2033]

The FMCSA they are there only for regulate the drivers,not to help them!

[@Dubya9W9]

I want Detention for Equipment not DRIVER detention, what i pay the driver is up to me as an owner..i want 100$ hr for Truck/equipment being held up...i'll pay the driver from that! NO more Free time..wtf is that nonsense where we have to Give them 2 hours FREE..where else can i get 2 hours free?!?!

[@detreknash4505]

🤔 THEY NEED TO PAY FOR ALL YOUR TIME. BAD ENOUGH YOU AWAY FROM FAMILY. NOT THE DRIVERS FAULT THAT THEY DELAYED PICKUP.

[@Parasefvirte]

Enough is enough, time to compensate the driver time and you the trucking companies get rich to soon and meek tones of money at driver experience

[@Tyrendeth]

All agreed upon payments for services should be put into a 3rd party escrow account paid out when services are or are not rendered as agreed upon. No need to get the government involved to that extent. In that same aspect there should be rating scores for shippers receivers brokers and trucking companies, you reneg or fail to uphold your agreement for any reason you get a negative rating. Go far enough negative and you lose your ability to do business, or just let the market sort it out itself. Going to continuously shady with your business practices, then let the dumb and ignorant continue to work with you. Keep on the level and reap the rewards

[@bailbondsga]

it becomes clear that brokers are the devil in trucking. i wish shippers would post directly without the aid/scamming of brokers.

[@rickmanning9561]

Federal government is trash.... I'm sure we can privately create a broker accountability page that outs these clowns.

[@charlesmcjunkins3082]

They need to get involved then drivers will get paid

[@89gw]

Bulk drivers been getting paid waiting time for years