FN FAL VS HK91/G3 : Which is better???

Hi in this video I do comparison of the HK91 (PTR91) and FAL (CAI L1A1 sporter. I use slow mo video to support my conclusion. If you want to learn more about these rifles then check out my channel.

[@BulletSpoung]

I just happen to have both, a Belgium made metric FAL and a true 1982 H&K 91 and have had both for more than 25 years. Both rifles have CHF barrels. FAL has a forged receiver H&K has sheet metal. Both have forged steel bolts. FAL has around 30% less recoil. You can upgrade the H&K trigger with a PSG1 not so easy on the FAL. The H&K is a bit more reliable but not by much. FAL field strips in half the time of the H&K. Mags, H&K $5.00 ea. FAL $25.00 ea. The H&K is more bulky in hand and is more muzzle heavy than the FAL. Both have built in bipods. both are easy to mount optics on but the H&K will cost you around $400.00 (H&K claw mount) to do so and the FAL (Arms mount) about $175.00 plus rings. So, as you can tell it's more of a personal preference than anything, that's why I have both and you need both. Happy shopping!

[@dy3812]

Short and sweet, thanks for the awesome information!

[@twistedtaipan3862]

Never sell either because you'll regret doing that the minute the buyers car pulls away

[@Kaltwasser45]

The HK SG1 mount is about 300.00, the standard STANAG mount is about 125.00, B&T mounts are about 1-200 . I can field strip any roller lock HK in 20 seconds or less. I have no experience with the FAL, but lots with HK's. I'm just curious how long it takes to field strip the FAL?.

[@whiterabbit201]

The FAL takes about 15 seconds less that! I have fired the G3 alot and own a Imbel FNFAL not the G3/91 for a reason, the FAL kicks ass! Stays on target and better recoil impulse. The Free Worlds Right Arm! (for a reason)

[@bademoxy]

hands down the FAL is more comfortable. but any rear locking design with a dust cover for a scope base is shit as a long range sniper rig-which is the only reason to be lugging a 308 in the first place. otherwise in this day and age of urban and vehicular warfare you might as well have the tacticle advantage of a good light bullpup -basically the reaction speed of a submachine gun yet good to as far as you're likely to hit anything under stress.

[@gregedwards1087]

Both are excellent rifles, as an Australian Army veteran I was trained on the L1A1 (what we called the SLR) which is the semi auto version of the FN-FAL, it was extremely reliable, in my years of service I fired over 20,000 rounds and only had to carry out 5 IA's (Immediate Actions) to get the weapon back into action, 2 missfires from bad percussion caps, 2 stovepipes and one missfeed. I was fortunate enough to be able to experience several other "exotic" weapons including the G-3 which I found to be on par and in some ways better than the L1A1.

[@BewareOfTheKraut]

Shoot both guns in cold climate with winter-gloves and you'll know why the G3-trigger is as it is. Northern Europe can be very cold in wintertime, especially in the mountain areas. G3 can handle extreme coldness, that's why the Scandinavians use it.

[@HungVu-xk4br]

German weapons are among the finest in the world, boast excellent quality and beautiful design. I love especially the HK416, MG42/3/34, G3, G36.

[@HungVu-xk4br]

German weapon designers are the military artists I would assert. I am mesmerized by the elegance of German weapons: from the very big such as the tiger tank, leopard tank, 88 mm flak guns, STG 44, to the very small like the Luger, Walther, Mauser, MG42, etc...

[@panasonicsamsung5867]

Hung Vu pfffffffff...but the US were stronger and had the M1Garand. The MG34/42 were not that great as stated. The Browning 30-06 was better and not that area hitting as the 34/42. Tigers were heavy..and well armed..but to slow and lump to get mobile. They could easy kill Shermans but later the Sherman could beat also Tigers...so nice designs are eye catching but not effective.

[@panasonicsamsung5867]

theabstract100 no i was not hurt and talked about the Browning MG not the BAR. Think you are hurt...

[@lioncelica5170]

theabstract100 12 years?

[@Max-Bliss]

I served in the British army and used the FN or SLR as we knew it.... I can assure you all, it is an awesome rifle and very reliable and tough, accurate, easy to clean but heavy after a ten mile run.

[@johnfrenzied4592]

Max Bliss ya bahstad.!!!!

[@drmachinewerke1]

Izzy HB or STG-58. HK a second class gun . Now compare them to a M14. I have owned all of them. Do a video on fal , HK , m14 and throw in a ar10 for good measure

[@gaboreee]

drmachinewerke1 very good Idea. Do it without hesitations. Salutations from Carcassonne, south-west of France

[@Ricardo-eg3wn]

drmachinewerke1 don’t include the ar 10 😂😂😂💀☠️

[@PugilistCactus]

better then the SA80's I would imagine.

[@Herberberber]

I love them both, goods and bads about both Lets all agree its better than having a 5.56

[@spreaddeezhazelnutz7511]

Definitely

[@agentepolaris4914]

Amen

[@tuck234]

Personal preference. I like both rounds, but 5.56 and 5.45 are really fun to shoot and in my opinion more practical for my home defense needs.

[@Herberberber]

tuck234 nothing wrong with personal pref

[@LucresntBlade]

Dr. Death You're Right I love the Feel abs Power of it !!! GOD Help the man who robs me : )

[@tonydowd8566]

since I own the 91and having shot the FAL, the obviously choice is the 91 for me.

[@FredDude27]

By the by: In the late 50's the Swedish Armed Forces held a trial to choose the next main weapon of choice. (Keep in mind the cold Swedish climate which was part of the problem of choosing a new main weapon.) The FN FAL and the G3 were the last two contestants but in the end the G3 won over the FAL and the latter is still in service today with the Swedish Home Guard. Cant say exactly what tipped the balance in G3's favour though...

[@TheMightySandow]

Fredrik: the biggest factor was the price tag.

[@petemarchi5112]

Thanks!

[@chrisgentry2217]

The g3 operates better in colder weather but the fal would be better for hot weather like Iraq or Vietnam or some place with either dry heat or humid heat.

[@MishIssel]

I hear the G3 charging handle has been known to snap off in extreme cold.

[@GeorgiaBoy1961]

G3s are brutally tough and will shrug off abuse that would disable a less-robust design. Good thing, too, because the design has lousy ergonomics, no last-shot bolt-hold-open and mediocre trigger and sights in OEM form. The location of the charging handle stinks, and the rifle is tough to scope although it can be done.

[@crobulari2328]

The FN worked well in the Malaya emergency. No problems. The Bandits did not like it one bit !!!!.

[@hollandfocus]

Neither did the IRA. Great bit of kit

[@mikethemaniac1]

the zimbabweans sure as shit didn't :)

[@OldFellaDave]

neither did the Vietcong or NVA ;)

[@AlexSDU]

My father used it back in the 70's, in the jungle of Borneo & Malaya. He was in the Royal Malaysia Police's Field Force unit.

[@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess]

There's no Zimbabwe or whatever african babbling they come up with, there's only Rhodesia

[@DevilbyMoonlight]

I used the L1A1 for 8 years before SA80 was adopted, had 0 stoppages 0 breakages, but everyone took care of their mags and didnt use them as bottle openers, if memory serves most seemed to run with a gas setting of 6 or 7 using standard Nato ball ammo, and it was a rare thing to have to change it - I used it in all climates and was totally dependable I noticed the one here has the same handguard as issued to us brits in the 80's

[@slimjim7411]

Shot both, and they went head to head in Rhodesia. Don't think either side had complaints with them. It's a real apples vs apples. Especially once you restore the factory mag paddle release on the PTR91. As the #1 complaint is the hard to reach mag release. A competent gunsmith can do it or you can install a teclatch release. Reliability wise both have excellent track records. I vote for the PTR in the end though it's just a simpler loose stamped design vs the much tighter milled design of the FAL. One is designed so not much can get into the receiver. The other is designed so it doesn't much care. The PTR will even extract the shells with a broken extractor. Basically because of it's fluted chamber it will just blow the shell back into the chamber. In the FAL if the extractor fails the gun is down or you are trying to dig out a case with a field knife in the middle of a fight. The PTR you're basically in single shot mode as it basically acts like a failure to extract/stove pipe. Both give excellent service life however. It's pretty tit for tat.

[@fergusmason5426]

Actually they were both used by the same side in Rhodesia. The Rhodesians had L1A1s. When the UK stopped selling to them they bought R1s from South Africa. When that channel closed they bought G3s from Portugal, but the troops didn't like them much. The FAL variants were always more popular.

[@GeorgiaBoy1961]

Lack of a last-shot bolt hold-open and the abysmal location of the charging handle really hurt the desirability of the G3-pattern design. Especially the former in a combat rifle - is inexcusable, IMHO (Yeah, I know the AKM/AK47 lacks that feature, too, but the point stands). The abysmal factory trigger and mediocre iron sights, too. Poor ergonomics - poor location of safety and mag release. Too-short length of pull, stock is uncomfortable. I'm being nit-picky, you understand - they're good rifles - but I'll never hold one in the same high regard I hold the FAL & M14.

[@internetjunky3088]

That’s a hard choice, both are great rifles. I picked up an FN FAL in ‘83 and loved it. About the same time while in the US Army I did some familiarization training with the G3. I was torn between getting the FN FAL or the HK 91. One thing that happened with my FN was a round must have struck the flash suppressor and it split apart at the end. I sent the flash suppressor to FN and I received a new flash suppressor for use with rifle grenades. I wasn’t to happy about that especially since I never thought I’d ever get the chance to use my FN with a rifle grenade. I even had the bi-pod for it but I thought it made the front end heavy so I seldom ever put it on. I ended up selling the rifle years later and I kick myself for it every day. Just one more reason why I hate my ex-wife.

[@johnnottahcal5725]

lol

[@TheExplosiveGuy]

Lol that sucks man 😂. I've seen too many stories like this and have created an unbreakable rule about guns, and that is once a gun is in my possession it stays in my possession until I kick the bucket, then I'll will them to someone I know will do the same.

[@scroggins100]

I had the SLR as an attachment to my right for 20 years before the dreadful SA80 and can say it was, once zeroed, the best rifle by far. Totally reliable and simple to use and keep. Never let me down.. Also, totally in tune with the none auto function. It made you aim and not spray and pray. Great weapon.

[@gunner678]

my experience is with the L1A1 and the carbine version of the HK. just on the feel of the FAL FN its a solid weapon. the HK also is good but personal preference, has to be the FN

[@MrWhatdoyouthinkof]

About a decade ago I purchased a Fal and a Cetme . The Fal was very heavy but was a refurb with a new U S barrel . It shot great but it was to heavy . The Cetme had a worn barrel and of coarse a fluted chamber , but was still a good shooter . Long story shortened. I got an AR10 , sold the Fal but kept the Cetme for its cool factor. For anyone who does not know the Cetme is the predecessor of the HK91 and was desighned by the same people. All 308 semi auto's are just fun to shoot .

[@GRACEORT]

Thanks, looks very similar to the correct S.u.i.t scope. Here in the UK it is very difficult to get a firearms license to own a working example of these Rifles. I spent 11 years in the Armed Forces and the L1a1 SLR was the Business! When the 5.56 SA80 came in to replace it, we hated it. As you probably know that has been improved so I cannot say if it is now a 'liked' rifle or not. I do own a deactivated L1a1 SLR which also wears its Bayonet I bought from a retired Royal Marine, for ornamental purposes only of course. You are so lucky to own and shoot these Rifles

[@MrChuckwagon55]

+Matan Pulverman The USA lets in more legal immigrants every year than any other country in Earth. 2 million a year are admitted each year legally.

[@panasonicsamsung5867]

Thats good to hear...in the Netherlands we did had the FN FAL as our MBR...until they became infected with the 5.56 virus in the 90's.... but in Afghanistan they became aware of the poor very poor thermal ffects of that small caliber shit...the benefits are less recoil, more ammo with less weight compared to the 7.62, lighter systems, lighter weapons, easy back on target aim...BUT THEY NEVER SAID/WRITTEN THAT IT WOULD'NT HAVE THE POWER AND FFECTIVE RANGE which was common in the 7.62 cal...I would rather throw the FAL on my shoulder with 120 rounds of ammo, than the light 5.56 platform which don't KO, don't manstop, don't penetrate on secondary hit, don't functioning above the 200 meters fficient.

[@GRACEORT]

+Khadr Roe yes, the FN FAL was and is a tool of destruction for any Infantryman

[@panasonicsamsung5867]

+stratos fun yes indeed..imagine for example soldier 'Jan' of the 70's and 80's with the FAL and his brutal power vs's todays STEALTH TEC shit which can't do the work at 250 yds properly. were the FAL does the job till 350 meters...open sights and with some training... shooting was easy in those day's..you only did learn the arc of flight and that was easy...from 0 till 300 meters only +6" till 7" @200meters...and -9" till 11" drop @400meters. So Jan the soldier could hit all enemy personel by aim between beltbuckle and throath...till 400 meters..and we didn't had ACOG's in these days... You would think why they not re finish those old bastards again..add a new barrel and some weavers and mod up the receivers grips and stock and ready you are...farewell with all that 5.56 crap which does'nt bring the message.... Happy weekend m8

[@panasonicsamsung5867]

+stratos fun ooopsss some error in my calculation...@400meters it dropped 12" till 18" depending on ammo weight from 147 gr till 175 gr...but even then when aimed at the center chest it would hit lower belly....with devasting results...thmbsupp

[@bobrayner8878]

I was trained on the SLR, the short stock suited me having shorter arms than the rest of my intake. Loved it. Would love to have a chance to fire this great weapon again.

[@v8felon]

thanks for the review The FN is also my personal favorite

[@gunny1234]

trained on the FN in the Canadian Army..loved that gun!

[@patricksmeda2474]

FN is a rifle not a gun😅

[@Xirque666]

If I can give you a tip, as a norweagin I used the norweagian version of the H&K G3 (the AG3) as a service weapon. Use the gun with the original strap while shooting as it bind the gud to your body, reducing the recoyl, also hold the gun around the front of your mag or around the forgrip with your fingers on the side of the forgrip close to the mag and not around the barrelwit your thumb being abow (makes you look like an amateur (as you hold it, it is impossible to yse the drum diopter steelsight)) this out of several reasons. 1. you get a firmedr grip toward you 2. you get support from your left elbow toward your chest giving more stability, the gun rests toward your body instread of holding its weight with your left arm 3. you wont look like an amateur also but the 2 pins into the stock from the side close to your body, and not toward your body. it does not look as cool, but it prevents you of acidentally loosing them as they wont slide out but will be safe toward your body. the whole internal mashinery is held by those 2 splints so its stupid to loose them cause you put them in the wrong way. practise to fieldstrip and re-assembly the gun both in daylight and in pich dark. practice doubleshots (2 single shots in 1/2 sec) it reduses the recoil jump

[@nancydrewery6909]

As CDN Forces I used the FN-C1-A1 in the The far north N.W.T with mittens. The trigger guard can be removed.

[@joeanonymous1834]

You talked for over 15-minutes and said very little. These are military rifles. You said very little about their respective military utility. You failed to make clear that the G-3/HK-91 is delayed blowback operated while the FN FAL is gas operated, and the consequences of that difference, if any--which is the most significant difference between these two rifles. What range or ballistic differences, if any, are realized with the 3-inches longer barrel of the FN FAL and twist difference, if any. What is the maximum and maximum effective range of each rifle? What are the possible rates of fire of each rifle? Which barrel is more susceptible to overheating? What are the effects of the FN FAL's gas operation on reliability and how does it compare to the delayed blowback operation of the G-3/HK-91? Which rifle would fare better having been, for example, emerged in sand of after an extended period without cleaning, i.e., which has greater reliablility? Can either or both rifles be safely fired right out of the water? Which rifle is easier to disassemble, reassemble and clean? Which rifle has the larger rate of malfunctions and under what conditions? Which rifle is more durable? Which has a longer service life, given similar use, maintenance and round counts? What type of magazine seating design does each rifle have? Is either more or less susceptible to double feeds or other problems, as a result? Which rifle is more ergonomic in terms of magazine changes? Which rifle is more ergonomic in terms of the operation of the action and selector switch? Does either or both rifles have the option of left-handed or ambidextrous modifications? Which rifle is more ergonomic for left-handed shooters, without modification? Since you purport that your video is useful to military or "LEO" viewers, you need to cover these things. You really should re-do the video.

[@GeorgiaBoy1961]

If you are interested, Kenneth Royce - a.k.a. Boston of "Boston's Gun Bible Fame," did an extremely thorough review of the major battle rifle designs - in the last edition of his book, which came out ~ 2009. Including the M-1 Garand, M-14, FAL, G3/CETME, and AR10. He covered most of your questions in either the testing, reviews or discussion of the various designs and their pros-and-cons. He also rates exhaustively according to dozens of variables and features, while doing what is a pretty even-handed job discussing the merits and drawbacks of each design. The book has now slightly-dated in a few respects, but still well-worth having. The volume is highly-regarded in the FA community, and is a best-seller in its class/genre.

[@erikclark5162]

Or you could make a video

[@joeanonymous1834]

@some lǝᴉuɐp guy Fuck you, moron.

[@joeanonymous1834]

@WrathMachine If you're talking to me, congratulations on spelling "stupid" correctly. And you can tell how misplaced my remarks are by the 43 "likes," and counting.

[@joeanonymous1834]

@@erikclark5162 I don't do that. What I do do, is get sick and tired of having my time wasted on KZbin by gun geeks and various other posers that have no business posting videos on subjects that they have a very pedestrian understanding of. This guy doesn't even qualify as impressive as a gun geek.

[@Lavrentizodiac]

Both are efectives battle rifles.

[@hasancetinkaya2594]

G3 all the way I would say. it's lot better than some of the rifles of its time.

[@kenkaufman9998]

I own both an FAL and HK91. The HK91 is far more reliable. They are equal for accuracy. The FAL has better ergonomics. The HK91 is much easier to repair. The biggest pain in my opinion is that the bolt hold open on empty. The FAL is a little more fussy on ammo. The HK91 magazines are still dirt cheap, you can get about 6-10 HK91 mags for the price of a single FAL magazine. I have found, much like the German Army did, the HK91 wins hands down.

[@lioncelica5170]

Ken Kaufman And the sights on an FAL are atrocious. What were they thinking?

[@kenkaufman9998]

Lion Celica Add in a Heavy Buffer and the recoil on the HK91 become very AR15 like. A trigger job is about 100, and then you have a nice crisp 4 lb. trigger. I still like the FAL, but I would take a real HK over any FAL any day of the week.

[@lioncelica5170]

Ken Kaufman Same here. Where can I get one of these heavy buffers? Is it harder to rack?

[@kenkaufman9998]

Lion Celica I purchased mine a few years ago from www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/Heavy-Recoil-Buffer-HK-91-G3-PTR-91-Rifles-p1067.htm. I am sure I paid half that price for it. That and the trigger job is the best upgrades I have ever made. This is the guy I recommend for the Trigger Job. www.triggerwork.net/hk9xrifles.html Since I wanted a backup for the whole assembly, I purchased an additional one, and kept the original.

[@DocMitchell69]

Ken Kaufman I like the HK ergos and the sights much better. The FAL I tried was a 94 AWB FAL though, so I wouldn't have much of a leg to stand on. I wonder if I should save my pennies for the HK with an original wide handguard. Would be awesome to have.

[@LuigiLong]

Excellent, explanation. When I was in the British Reserves the FN SLR (FAL) or L1A1 was the weapon in use and was not replaced until 1985 just after my time. Since emigrating to the USA I have yet to find an FAL that was within my price range but did manage to get a PTR91/G3. It does not, in our shared opinion, have the same level of finesse as the FAL, which you have demonstrated in your videos. I hadn't really thought about it that way until seeing the videos you did of the two rifles side-by-side. The PTR91/G3 does shift off-target due to the violent recoil, which I am trying to lessen with the use of a muzzle brake or compensator. It's a work in progress. Thanks again for the awesome information!

[@txgunguy2766]

I've seen a mud test video of these two rifles. They were able to keep the G3(Century Arms C308 tested) running while the FAL locked up completely.

[@harrieschuiling3523]

I have the opposite experience

[@txgunguy2766]

@@harrieschuiling3523 I have a C308 and it ran perfectly after it (and me) got kicked around in the dirt by a bull with aggression issues.

[@harrieschuiling3523]

@@txgunguy2766 After working with the FAL for 8 years in the militairy I can asure you I never experienced the FAL locking up. I not even on one occasion. Never.

[@txgunguy2766]

@@harrieschuiling3523 You probably never literally poured mud onto it the way they did. They were actually trying to get it to jam up.

[@harrieschuiling3523]

@@txgunguy2766 I didn't have to. My instructors liked that too much.

[@murgel2006]

I',m partial to the G3 because I used it for 7 years as my main firearm. I remember the day when, after promotion, they asked me to use a UZI MP because "it is easier to handle while commanding" Instead I organized a sliding stock and stayed with the rifle that never let me down. I liked the G36 but my true love will always stay with the G3A4. And I would like to own my old one if it still exists. To this day I still have my weapon card (numbers etc) for her and the G36 that succeeded her.

[@echodelta2172]

Your video spurred me to look for a good .308 and I'm close to pulling the trigger on a PTR 91 GIR. Thanks for the info!

[@NotTheBomb]

Picked up a PTR-91. Bought it over the FAL over price, and ease of finding spare anything. Plus I was gonna buy a bolt action originally, turning my ptr into a hunting rifle, so I basically just took the semi-auto bolt action. If you look into the ptr’s design, it’s action was made to act like a bolt action.

[@TheCenturion8404]

Very good info. as a critique I'd show the internals, talk about maintenance i.e. Which system runs cleaner and post some groups. The G3 variants are very rough on the brass as well.

[@douglasthompson2740]

Back in the eighties the HK retailed for around $400 and the FNFAL was at $1200 so comparisons are like apples to oranges if that price spread still holds. One other thing I can't help saying is I am from the old school where a firearm is never unloaded unless you have it broken down in pieces--no such thing as an unloaded gun. That philosophy drilled into me by my Dad (raised with firearms and trained by pre WWII army) has served me well so seeing you resting your hand (s) across a muzzle makes me grimace. First rule: never point a weapon at what you don't want to shoot and second rule is; it is always loaded, treat it as such. Technically interesting video.

[@DaddyStarbuck]

Shut up you boomer.

[@umvhu]

As a soldier I used both in an active combat area (Rhodesian bush war) my experience was the exact opposite of yours, that is, the G3 slightly better than the FAL. The G3 I had was either Spanish or Portuguese made with no bipod and the FAL South African made with different gas regulator and muzzle piece. I found the G3 easier to hold on target with a more measured recoil, on the downside the G3 was definitely more fragile and easily damaged, aluminium mags in particular.

[@cbwelch4]

I see what you mean about the mags. The CETME steel mags are more solid. I have had a German mag fail. All of my reliability problems (not very many) were mag related. Otherwise the rifle won’t fail with that ridiculous pound and a half bolt carrier group (guesstimating on that). It is going to cycle unless the mag screws up feeding. But if you get the surplus mags out of the wrapper they last for a mile or two. I have an M1A and those mags are waaaay better but $$$.

[@johnmoore8016]

My wife bought my H&K-91 in the late '70s or early '80s. When I saw the 91 I like the design of it (I cut my teeth on the M-1 (9.5 pounds) so I knew it would shoot very good and it had the range if I wanted to go hunting with it. (never went hunting with it. I did carry it one day when I walked over my land up in Tenn it got heavy before the day was over, but that was alright with me. I use it for target shooting now. I have about 10 20 round mags for it. I usually shoot al 20 topped off at the range. I use a red dot or scope on depending on which one is loose in my computer room. Good video.

[@JerryWDaviscom]

Very nice work with the split screen, and the linear recoil of the FAL was an eye opener. The difference in trigger play is also significant. I am in the research phase, looking for a reliable, long-distance fighting weapon. I LOVE the M1A Scout, but the 300 yard accuracy is a little bit iffy. The G3 looks to be more accurate at that range, weighs the same and costs less. The FAL might be the winner here.

[@Brotherav6]

It's all about how comfortable you are with your firearm for me 91 I used to have one when I was younger and loved it. I'm gonna get a PTR 91 here in a couple weeks for me nothing beats that style of engineering.

[@riffraff9000]

FAL all the way. "The right arm of the free world."

[@GeorgiaBoy1961]

@ Michael Cox: Re: "FAL all the way." Agree completely. The CETME-G3 is perhaps the most-rugged and reliable self-loading service rifle ever fielded, including the AK47 and Galil, both of which are stone-reliable designs. G3s can take abuse that would destroy most other rifles, and they are justifiably famous for working even when filthy and after months of neglect. The FAL design is also extremely reliable and tough, so the gap between them in that department isn't as large as some might think. But in virtually every other respect, the FAL is the superior design. The ergonomics (controls, their layout and use of use) of the FAL are excellent, whereas those of the CETME-G3 are lousy. Both rifles are -or can be - accurate, and since both use the same NATO stanag 7.62x51 M80 Ball/FMJ cartridge, both are hard-hitting and powerful. Both are easy to field-strip and clean. Both can mount an optic, and while neither is ideal for this purpose, both rifles can be scoped. Complexity and expense of manufacture - the FAL is more expensive and difficult to manufacture which is another area in favor of the CETME-G3. The SLR/FAL is just such a great rifle. I also like the M14/M1A design a great deal, and prefer it or the FAL to the CETME/G3. About the only way I'd choose the G3-pattern is if I knew I would not be able to care for the rifle properly or clean it regularly, or if I knew it was going to be abused a lot. If the man holding the rifle has even a minimum of professionalism and takes care of his weapon, the FAL is the clear choice. Oh, one other thing: The G3 is reputed to be a good rifle for use in cold climates. I can't speak to this, perhaps someone else can.

[@walthermartinez9516]

FAL ALWAYS!!!

[@bonzidude2000]

I'll take both G3 and FAL over the AR 15

[@Anchanthai]

You really got to get out of the habit of picking these firearms up by the barrel, I saw too many young guys taken to the hospital with severe burns after shooting at a range session because they went to put / or pick up a rifle from the range rack and handled it by the severely hot barrel. It was like melted mozzarella cheese sticking to the barrel after a hundred rounds shot down range. No kidding! just my experience as a range instructor.

[@Grave187RIP13]

John Glendenning Oh Jesus.

[@rogerlinnenburger902]

It's generally just bad gun handling in any case for a whole variety of reasons: 1. It probably doesn't put much stress on the upper receiver when everything is in place in good working order, but if something is loose, warped, whatever, holding it by the end of the barrel will create the lever effect and could cause harm. 2. In some models of guns (rifles of various types and models), the receiver has smaller parts that can be stressed over time with this action. Some cheaper AR-15 rifles for example. 3. In the version 2 phaser rifles this could lead to a short circuit across the outer power focuser and in this case you could vaporize your whole hand or the nearest red shirt crewman as well. 4. Also leaning a gun against a slick flat wall where it barely stays is also not smart. I don't need to explain that do I?

[@stevebergh7303]

@@rogerlinnenburger902 ROFLMAO for reason #3 Thank You Brother! :)

[@myerflyer]

Thanks for letting me know...

[@nicolascarnot4857]

In the Australian Army, picking up a rifle by the barrel, particularly the muzzle, is a chargeable offence. If you get burnt, you will be charged.

[@MrCalman65]

As a recruit in the Australian army in the 80,s I can vividly remember the firepower demo down at the butts we got early in training. It went SLR (FAL) F1 submachine gun, browning hi power and M60 last. What impressed me early was the hitting power of the SLR when it hit a 44 gallon drum of water. I remember thinking fuck, I'd hate to be gut shot with it. Tilting breech block design is just so simple. Mag off, tilt to the left cock, lock look in. Cocking handle fwd check safe, break the weapon, dust cover off out come your bolt and carrier out the back. Done. Taking down the gas system down add another 3 seconds. Shame we can't even own one in Oz

[@sugarnads]

Loved mine in the raaf

[@raymonddaubney3612]

rooster teeth I;m still in love with mine and I was in during the early 70's. In the vid he says that the weapon is 9 pounds but we were told 15.? We soon got used to the weight. The politically correct gov. of Keating with that bag of shit Beazly brought in those plastic BB guns so the Lesbians could carry them, the Infantry never wanted smaller than 30.cal. I wish we could have them here but the traitors know there would be some big changes made if we could.

[@sugarnads]

I recently put about 300 rounds thru an M4 with a light and an Eotech plus other crap on it. Fucker was real heavy. I reckon the weight was all well forward of the pistol grip. I thought it much heavier to hold up than an L1A1 just personally

[@jesperjrgensen133]

+Raymond Daubney you proberbly had wooden stock. I started out with the G3 with wooden stock but then the bastards gave me a new one with plastic shit stock. Took me almost 9 month to scavenge parts to get it back to wooden stock :)

[@raymonddaubney3612]

jesper jørgensen Yes, wooden. Here in Australia the L1A1 was manufactured to the highest standard. Believe it or not, the barrel's were made by one man to a weapon who would test fire each one after putting it together. The accuracy was incredible, that's why during our Infantry Company qualifying shoot I was astounded to see the average score was 6 hits out of 20. I was between 18 and 20. I was astounded just how useless they were. Admittedly they were all from Sydney and had never fired a shot before, I grew up in a smaller city and had my first air rifle at 7. While other kids were chasing after balls of one shape or another, I was shooting match boxes off the back fence. A beautiful weapon but in the hands of those who were not worthy of them.

[@cbwelch4]

Years later I love the PTR. It is a laser beam at 300 yards (my range’s limits). The trigger is not great but not horrible. If I drop the trigger pack in, it will be even better. However the lock up is tighter than the FAL. The bullet is out of the barrel before the rollers unlock. It is close to a bolt action lock up. Brilliant design really. Lots of Europeans use it as a DMR. I really can’t miss the gong at 300 yards with a 3x9 scope. The PTR is rock solid reliable. My only gripe is it sucks to clean because all the fouling stays in the receiver. It will run absolutely filthy, but when I clean it, it takes a long time and cleaning the flutes near the bore is just a chore. Takes at least a half hour to get it really clean. My AKM is far simpler to maintain.

[@Kacpa2]

Both are amazing and both are sadly mostly neglected in video games, very few have FN Fal and G3. Many games just skip over cold war battle rifles maybe with exception of M14 and AKM and AK74

[@astondriver]

love the way this waves his rifle around.

[@mikegee5489]

..meh..fal designs in my area cost about 1,500.00 and the PTR 91 is 1,100.00. That means 400.00 for a med. Range scope, or ammo, or a trigger upgrade and a vortex rds. Plus some FAL pattern rifles are franken guns with inch and metric parts slapped together- PTR is a solid USA based company that machines their own parts....

[@Staryanuke]

Orrr... you could buy a DSA voyager FAL for $1k, which is also built in the US out of brand new parts....

[@mikegee5489]

Starhoof - after FFL transfer fees, taxes, it still comes up to about $1,500.00 ( i'd rather have a more accurate M-1A) I have shot both, and the PTR-91 has a bit sharper recoil, but not one that's so off putting as people online claim. Both feel uncomfortable compared to the "natural" feel of the M-1A, but for the price, a PTR-91 can happily join my gun safe along the bolt action rem 700 the BCM mid length and the Spikes Carbine ARs I have....

[@Staryanuke]

mike gee Ummm No ? I got mine for $975, after transfer and shipping it came to $1050... You sure you know how buying guns works in this country ? You don't pay taxes if you order online... go look up on atlantic... PTR and FAL are about the same price.....

[@mikegee5489]

Starhoof - maybe where you are- but here in California you have to pay DROS and transfer fees PLUS in California the FFL MUST collect State SALES TAX- end result ? Even if I bought a FAL pattern rifle like the current SA 58 model at Atlantic , it would end up costing close to $1,400.00 any way...( or just a shade under- which still makes a local purchase of a PTR 91 cheaper by at minimum 150 -200) Firearmswww.boe.ca.gov/ads/news06.htm Wish it were simpler for me here like where you are.

[@Staryanuke]

mike gee Bro... Im sorry to say that, but as a gun enthusiast, you need to move the hell away from Cali. That way you can be treated like a first world citizen =P

[@nameless_no_name]

my uncle's buddy was a fighter in Bosnia I cannot really determine if he was a merc or a volunteer, but he used an FAL FN. It was his "ass-kicker" as he called it. He liked it because it was hard hitting, accurate, and he could use the rifle to bust skulls if he ran out of rounds

[@RobWhittlestone]

Nice comparison! I've never seen one like this before. And nice editing and slo-mo work too. You opened my eyes about the G3's dynamics. I would love an L1A1 - just because it's what I grew up seeing and thought they looked cool, even then. Many thanks for making this video, I really learned something. All the best, Rob PS. Now I want one even more! ;-)

[@fred240366]

During The malaysian insugency there were reports troops were refusing to go out on patrols using the g3 they preferred to use the longer fal as they were sturdy. The g3s jammed a lot specially in hot, wet and humid enviroment.

[@interstellarlapisthecccp4946]

I personally love both guns... apparently the G3 is really hard to control on full auto to the point it isn't really practical to use in a combat situation; the FN FAL is a bit better when it comes to controlability and even though the most common configuration is the semi-auto SLR, the full auto variants are capable of laying down controlled burst fire and remaining effective in combat. I myself have been pondering which of the two I should buy for the past 6 months or so, and today I decided to go with the FAL. I don't have a full auto license so both guns would have to be semi, and to be completely honest both of these guns perform very well as single shot rifles. The FN FAL still managed to beat out the G3 in terms of accuracy though and I found a really nice speciment from the late 60's with wooden furniture that I fell in love with. Sometime soon I plan to buy a G3 as well, with the older style adjustable plastic grips. Feels great in the hands but it's not the best for target shooting.

[@aribpm]

How do you like the FAL so far? Did you ever get the G3?

[@interstellarlapisthecccp4946]

@@aribpm nope haha, still haven't gotten one yet, though I plan to eventually. I still like the FAL a lot though it has been eclipsed by other guns in my collection after getting my class 3 license. I ended up buying a Suomi KP-31, KP-44, K98, ZB-26 and a handful of German handguns like the C96, P38, P08, PP and M1914. Right now I'm saving up to buy either an MG-42 or MG-34.

[@aribpm]

@@interstellarlapisthecccp4946 that is awesome, congratulations on all the New class 3 toys. I love my PTR 101. You should definitely get one. Probably not as fun in semi auto but it’s a hoot to shoot.

[@interstellarlapisthecccp4946]

@@aribpm tbh I'm not sure I would want a G3 in full-auto... they are much better suited for semi-auto use. Shooting an M14 is much akin to going for a ride on one of those old wooden roller-coasters from back in the day; you're not really sure what is going on while it's happening and once it's over you feel like you may have a mild concussion but the overall experience was kind of exhilarating. 7.62 Nato is just too hot to be fired from the shoulder, and even though the 8mm Mauser is larger and hotter, when fired from the ZB26 you can hardly feel the recoil at all. The only real issue when it comes to full-autos is cost of ammo which is why I've stuck to 9mm and 8mm Mauser so far.

[@russellk.bonney8534]

Two things to love... FAL and 7.62

[@NRAdude]

I couldn't disagree more. The FAL has more moving parts than the G3. The FAL has both the bolt and the gas piston (that kicks the bolt) moving backward in different parts of the stroke. The G3 only has a bolt moving backward. And have you compared the mass of the two bolt carriers? They're not much different. And the HK doesn't rely on the mass of the bolt alone. It also has the rollers which dissipate some of the recoil along with a very stiff spring to go with it. Shooting the G3 with the bipod open is going to give you the side-to-side wobbly motion you were complaining about. Shoot them both with the bipod closed. I will say they're both good guns with differing styles that fit some shooters better than others but I don't think you gave the G3 a fair shake in this one. It's recoil on me is comparable to a full length AR10 if that. I also have no problem shooting it off of a sand bag or even a bipod. It seems to have a very slow and gentle recoil (probably due to the roller delayed blowback) on me anyways. Of course, I could be biassed since I have a registered HK sear ;D

[@rbkfan200]

Had a G3 and an MG3 back in my army days. Can’t go wrong with German 7,62 mm.

[@vermillion.__-_.]

I love the g3 but the fn fal is so cool

[@barrywilliams1694]

+William Richardson I agree, have owned both, but I Still like the M14 better. Only because I shot it on High Power Rifle competitions.

[@vermillion.__-_.]

Lol I like the mk14 mod 0

[@patrickirish9427]

+Barry Williams the M14 is great but it is pretty much widely understood now that the M14 will pretty much always lose against the FAL. The FAL overall outshines the M14. Although I can't speak on actual target shooting just military history the M14 did not have the greatest history in combat. M14's are very accurate though.

[@patricksmeda2474]

In Rhodesia the FN was the most popular but on one occasion i used the G3, both did the job well.

[@BattlesBlades]

FAL. hands down. just needs a lighter trigger

[@jakeweston8616]

I used to have a genuine Hk 91 and yes, they do have a stronger recoil. At the end of the day, I would prefer the FAL platform. But don't get me wrong, the Hk was a superbly accurate and reliable, quality rifle. Looking back though, I now appreciate the overall feel and design of the FAL platform.

[@JIMTHACKER]

You can interchange a Bren Magazine with the FN FAL which will give you 30 rounds, not sure how widely available they are in the States though, just something I remember my father telling me as the L1A1-SLR was his service rifle in the Royal Marine Commandos.

[@KBKriechbaum]

+Fred Bloggs Gravity fed? Hilarious idea, but also absolutely wrong. Wonder why you say so when you don't have a clue. :)

[@fergusmason5426]

Don't talk bollocks. The L4 magazine has a very large spring inside.

[@vidright]

For the G3 also 30 round mags are available. The norwegian army used them in some cases for example.

[@drmachinewerke1]

They work in inch receivers . Metric with mods

[@johnfilmore7638]

@@drmachinewerke1 an L1A1 or inch receiver upper will mate with a FAL or metric lower receiver, from what I understand. But the parts in either half are not interchangeable.

[@ratscoot]

A concern with the G3 and HK 33 is that you have to regular check the bolt gap. After about 3000 rounds the locking recess in the triunion wears out and you have to install oversize rollers. The locking piece of the bolt head also wears and needs replacement after a couple of thousand rounds.

[@Autoshopwing]

Had both. FAL hands down. Much better ergonomics, balance, and accuracy.

[@jacksoncohen4907]

Uh no

[@TheExplosiveGuy]

I've got a PTR and really enjoy it, it's a very fun gun and with a heavy buffer and M4-72 muzzle brake it can kick just as light as the FAL (a stock FAL anyways, put that muzzle brake on the FAL and it would be a different story lol), which I have also shot but not much. I can't say which one I like more from lack of experience with the FAL but I can definitely say I want one too. But the PTR/G3 is a great rifle so far, the muzzle brake is a blast, literally _and_ metaphorically, it will keep you warm on cold days lol and puts a lot of heat downrange accurately. I replaced the handguard with a Midwest Industries M-lok aluminum handguard to help with heat mitigation since the stock slim plastic guard might as well be fiberglass insulation for all the heat it removes, _except_ for the heat it puts into scalding your fingers🤣. Also did a trigger job and got the pull down to about 6 pounds with no creep, it's a pretty well-tuned rifle now.

[@Kenneth45]

FN FAL has more customizing options, better recoil, better trigger, bolt holds open after last shot, so in my opinion, I also pick the FAL, but there's a lot of HK fanboys that will disagree, and that's fine, keep giving them your business, it's all good. Have fun and be safe.

[@janskrotnes6565]

Everything has better recoil than a G3, it used to be my service rifle, but I can't fault for it's reliability, mine had been abused for over thirty years, and I fired thousands of rounds through it with only some jams due to a dirty ejector. I could place reliable shots out to 500 meters with the iron sights, an amazing rifle, only real negative is the massive recoil due to the heavy bolt carrier.

[@Holret]

I find that the only "advantage" is that the bolt locks open on the last shot. The trigger is pretty good to me, and yes there are options to replace them if you wish to do that its there. As for customization, im not sure what you are talking about. Right now I have a M4 style buttstock with extra thick padding on mine along with a muzzle brake that helps control the weapon muzzle rise. So my recoil has been reduced significantly . The trigger group and pistol grip can be easily changed as well as the handguard. Modern styles like the Picatinny, keylock or even M-lock are easily ans cheaply available. Theres alot you can do to the rifle to get it more modernized. Personally, I feel its the FAL fanboys the ones who act as if their rifle is better, and generally largely superior at that. what a joke.

[@einsatzgruppencommander740]

*Holret* It largely depends, there are fanboys on both sides. However, the FAL is inherently easier to tune to be a more "shootable" gun with the adjustable gas system, and the fact that the selector is actually usable with normal sized hands (the selector on the G3 is one of the *least* ergonomic controls on any rifle I've ever used, and I've used a lot). You'll get a lot of anecdotes for people going either way, but in my many years of using both (including shooting allies's in Afghanistan) I found both rifles to be pretty much equal in reliability, if properly maintained. That's sad, due to some inherent properties of the roller lock system if your rifle is completely neglected and you do absolutely no maintenance, the G3 will probably run a little longer before crapping out. But there's no reason why a responsible, non-illiterate shooter, should be in that position. Overall, accuracy between the two is pretty much a wash as well. Though due to the internal mechanics the G3 HK91 can be accurized to a higher degree than the FAL (i.e. MSG90) if you're willing to spend *a lot* of money. Simply due to personal preference for how the gun feels and looks, I prefer the FAL. But both can be great shooters. That said, I think they both lose to a high-quality AR-10 (boring, Iknow) or a SCAR-17 (🤑)

[@73288]

I own Enfield L1A1 and Sabre Defence XR 41. Both are great and fun to shoot but if you want to compare them you find out this. 1.weight almost the same but when you got fal in your hands you´ll swear its lighter. 2.G3 feels like a heavy tant fal like racing bike. 3.when you fire - G3 makes you feel it, Fal ask you to feel it. 4.You got 10 minutes you can clean the fal.You need 20 minutes to clean the G3. 5.Once you get hands on either of these You know you need one. 6.When you buy Fal you start thinking if G3 is not better. 7.When you own G3 you know you need Fal. 8.After you got both you end like me and start wanting AR-10. This is what I think, just my opinion. Just do yourself a favor and dont buy any 308 rifle or you will want more 308 rifles. And here in EU it is not so easy you know.......

[@GeorgiaBoy1961]

Re: "After you got both you end like me and start wanting AR-10."There are many armchair historians who bemoan the fact that the U.S. declined to adopt the FN FAL, and there's no question that it deserves every bit of its legendary reputation. Seeing how well it performed in the armies of some ninety nations during its heyday, it seems certain it would have done as well in U.S. service. Fair dinkum, as the Aussies say. But the real missed opportunity to adopt a 21st-century design was the AR10. Due to an unfortunate twist of fate and some bad luck, the Armalite AR10 did not pass the Ordnance Dept. trials alongside its competition. Armalite President George Sullivan, over the vehement objections of chief engineer Eugene Stoner, insisted that one of the rifles sent in for testing in 1956 have an experimental composite aluminum/steel barrel. The barrel failed catastrophically during a torture (durability) test, and the Ordnance Dept. dropped the design from the competition shortly thereafter. The "real" AR10 in final form, or what should have been its final form, was made by the Dutch firm of Artillerie Inrichtingen (AI), which made a number of sensible upgrades to the design, including installation of a stouter buffer and recoil spring, designed to improve the reliability and durability of the design. Sold to Portugal, the rifles were issued to that nation's elite paratroopers, who used them throughout the 1960s "Bush Wars" in Angola and elsewhere, with superb results. The 'Paras preferred their AR10s to anything else, including G3s, CETMEs and FALs. Light, durable, tough, accurate, hard-hitting and surprisingly controllable on full auto, the Paras loved their AI AR10s so much that they refused to turn them in years later when they were declared obsolete and the contract with the Dutch had expired. The paratroopers finally had to give them up in the mid-1970s. A couple of years ago, "Firearms News" did a very good story on the AI AR10 and a review of one, including range time. The reviewer was exceedingly impressed, despite the fact that the tested rifle was more than half a century old.

[@GeorgiaBoy1961]

The CETME/G3/HK91 design is brutally tough, nearly impossible to break and will function in conditions which would leave most other designs - even the legendary AK47 - sidelined for repair. The roller-delayed blowback system dispenses with a gas system, and will continue function even when extremely dirty. It comes at the cost, however, of punishing recoil. The stock is too short for many modern users, resulting in a too-short length of pull. Until PTR Industries came out with models featuring an M1913 P-rail for the mounting of optics, one had to get a claw mount especially designed for the rifle if one wanted it scoped. The factory trigger is abysmal, and the iron sights are mediocre and the rear sight is graduated only to 400 meters - inadequate given the range and hitting power of the 7.62 NATO round. The front sight is difficult to adjust and requires tools. Fielding stripping is very simple and well thought-out. Ergonomics are mediocre to poor. The location of the charging handle, safety and magazine release could all be improved upon. There is no last shot bolt hold-open, a detriment in a battle rifle. However, if these drawbacks do not bother you, then an HK91 or one of its cousins may be for you. The design was used by fifty or so nations at its height and is still in use in a variety of places. The FL FAL is a battle-tested and highly-proven battle rifle, one adopted by some ninety countries during the Cold War era. Justifiably legendary, the FAL is a superb design that was years ahead of its time when it was first manufactured in the 1950s, and even today, it is an excellent choice in many roles. It, too, is a rugged design - reliable, battle-tested and tough. About the only drawback to its otherwise renowned reliability was difficulty experienced by some users (such as Israel) operating in arid, highly dusty environments such as the desert. In fairness to the design, mechanical devices of all kinds tend to run less-well and less-reliably in the desert; this problem is by no means unique to the FAL. Ergonomics are excellent, and the rifle handles well. The gas system has an adjustable regulator, which enhances reliability under hard use. The sights are adequate, but could have been better. The rear sight is secured by only one screw, and the front sight could be updated as well in terms of range and ease of adjustment. The trigger is OK, but also could be better. The weapon can be scoped, although a special mount is needed because of the clamshell design of the receiver. Accuracy is excellent given decent ammunition. The design may be found in dozens of variations on the basic design, including metric/inch (imperial) and chambering in several different calibers, but the NATO standard 7.62x51 is the most-commonly encountered. Some versions are capable of select-fire, whereas others - such as the British L1A1 - are not. Despite its age, the design is still in use in various places, and there are more than a few old "squaddies" in the British and Commonwealth armies who miss their L1A1s and FALs even today.

[@nicholasryczywot6937]

is there any shops you know of that dont sell super overpriced FALs? i really want one but im not spending 1500 on a base model gun

[@luisloya1120]

@Nicholas Ryczywot..Try Atlantic firearms.

[@Robin6512]

I carried the fn FAL for 6 years. I’ve shot g3’s a lot during exercises in Germany in the 80’s. They both good. The FAL is way less ammo picky due to the gas system adjustment. Heavy as shit specially after a day walking around the Forrest. I short, FAL first place and the g3 just below the FAL.

[@PistNRods]

G3 primary weakness is the roller lock system. It is a wear item that is part of the BOLT. So you get a lot of jams once the rollers wear down and head space issues making it not go bang a shit ton if not in spec.

[@bristol1312]

PistnRods This is an old post but but I could use the advice. Should I buy extra rollers ? I recently bought one and already have a decent amount of rounds through it. What round count do the rollers wear? Thanks !!

[@Mantitude]

Each rifle is a little different. Most new production guns should have the first of four roller sizes, to replace the ones installed as the rifle wears. This is to adjust the bolt gap in the rifle, what a lot of people like to refer to as headspace. Anyway, this is over decades of use, and most recreational shooters go maybe to the second roller, but I'm willing to bet a not so insignificant amount of ammo that more than just a few never even change out their first set of rollers. It's commonly accepted around the 5k mark, though plenty of people swear more or less.

[@ThaGVPSon]

I just ordered a CAI C308 CETME and I cant wait till it arrives at my ffl! Which G3 did you buy? Mine was on sale for 499 so it was too good to pass up and Iv heard great reviews on this new rifle from century. Iv wanted one of these for years and I decided it was time to pull the trigger since century bought up all the cetme parts and they werent gonna be around forever.

[@reallifebadass444]

ThaGVPSon they are reliable but not very accurate. It is an acceptable gun though

[@bjrnsteinslett6667]

Well... I have used a G3 as my service rifle from 96 to 15 when I got the hk416.. And if You clean your ejector and chamber once in a while IT just works. I shot at least 15000r on my first G3, and this was already used.. whit no breakages. The Norwegian G3 was called AG3 an build on license by Kongsberg.

[@Rundu1987]

We used both in Namibia during the Angolan bushwar. 7.62 is a great calibre, but carrying extra ammo is a pain in the arse, when you really should be carrying extra water. Both rifle run pretty decent when they are squeaky clean, but that was only for the first 2 hours of a 3 day patrol. Enter the Galil in the early 80's. 5.56 is nice and small. 35 rnds compared to 20. No contest. Furthermore the galil did not know the word "jam" it kept on running in the worst conditions imagineable. And thats why it replaced both the G3 and the R1/FN.

[@nathan00campbell]

my only concern is which is more accurate out to 500 yards, scoped, im talking groups not just can it hit

[@VEightMerc124]

But battle rifles generally arnt for grouping really especially at that distance. Its to put hits in the vital area, the torso. An off the rack military gun should do around 3 moa if i remember correctly. I think you may have inspired me to do a part two live fire comparison.

[@nathan00campbell]

VEight Merc that would be nice, and wasn't the PSG-1 just a built up G3 so i know they can be pretty accurate was just wondering how they were out of the box, and if 3 moa is the best it is, oh well, would just leave it irons or red dot and use it for one hell of a brush gun for hogs

[@nathan00campbell]

VEight Merc by the way thanks for your feed back, love the channel

[@22B-i8z]

At 500m the L1A1 or FN FAL is more accurate that the G3 but G3 is a very good rifle

[@22B-i8z]

Hi Sorry With scope it the L1A1 over the H&K G3 i know i got both of them

[@weld3874]

I have owned Both. Got rid of my FAL(WEIGHT). Currently own a PTR 91 GI model. The cost for a decent battle rifle like one of these is the only reason I purchased one. If you want Precision spend the extra loot and get the M1A. Anyone shooting one of weapons understand the difference in ballistics. Delayed Blowback allows for better shot placement. Both will get you better distance and more stopping power.

[@likeclockwork6473]

Does the barrel length effect the recoil? That fal has a longer barrel but it sticks out a significant amount. There are fal variants with much shorter barrels

[@likeclockwork6473]

Makes sense since both guns are really similar and fire the same round. That longer barrel is what gave the FAL the edge in this test which makes this result pointless.

[@richardkuhn9795]

billy nuts I have used both. If I could get a good trigger for a G3? would be very good.

[@fbhorton1990]

richard kuhn You can. HKparts . net has got them for less than $200. 4.5lb pull, clean break.

[@jdessell]

Meat tenderizer checkering lol ! True though.

[@manyskunks]

+billy nuts Learn to reload! I shot over 20,000 rounds thru my old HK91 and reloaded every damn one of them. I got as many as 11 reloads on almost every case. Only had 3 or 4 necks split in all that time! LOTS less expensive!

[@backofficeconnectstage1158]

As a former Portuguese soldier. Cabo Adjunto in FAP. Im partial to the AR-G3 made in Portugal... The thing served me well, its very accurate at somewhat long ranges, but it needs a fair ammount of service... It packs a lot of punch. You can mount a longer barrel on it, if the need arises if you feed with a belt of ammo it will be a light machine gun with a tripod als, laser sight and night vision, and it can be scopped. I found the trigger very confortable it teaches you to squeaze not to pull. It is a good learner weapon... Now, if you put it on auto it will be very hard to controll... The recoill is hard... The sound is very much different the G-3 is very much scaryer and louder, it tells everyone there is a big weapon firing uppon you... If you put the thing on single you will own a large arc and it will deliver you from evil. Kkkkkkkkk. Mine was called Ana and she had a story. She learned me to shoot straight and true, "aim small miss small", and i went on to become a very good sniper... In comparison the FAL will always be the girls weapon, and the AR-G3 the big boys one i know thats just BS but thats the way i feel about them...The FAL is the best weapon, but it never fired a shot in rage with the FAL, the G-3 brought me home, all scratched up but in one piece. The G-3 called ANA. MINE G-3 is probably teaching some new grunt how to shoot straight and true too...And i hope she will keep him from harms sake as well

[@dimitrioskarakostas8474]

Had them both in my military service..i prefer FN!!

[@trevillyan5515]

Both have been fielded with massive success

[@VEightMerc124]

ALRIGHTY LISTEN UP.If anyone has any LEGITIMATE tests or Head2Head challenges between these two rifles, please voice them under this comment. Im thinking of doing a part 2. So far Ive come up with longer distance shooting for groups (ammo choice still needs to be decided, what ammo you guys want to see?) Also field stripping race. Reload race. Failure to fire round clearing. Some actual dynamic comparisons. Probably not going to toss em in the dirt or mud....yet.So let me know guys.

[@Toratsuro]

+VEight Merc (V8 Merc) I have 2 FALS. Century arms L1A1 and Israeli one built on IMBEL receiver, I also have C91 and PTR91. Here is what I noticed a) PTR 91 and C91 are MORE accurate. Israeli is close to them. L1A1 is least accurate. b) Israeli is THE HEAVIEST (even without bipod). c) Army style triggers are not superb on neither one. d) Ergonomics FAL has DISTINCT advantage. Why? First it has LAST SHOT BHO. Second the magazines are DROP FREE. G3 are NOT drop free and it doesn't have BHO. So, with C91 and PTR91 you have an edge in accuracy. In FAL you have an edge in Ergonomics... Your choice. But.. GET BOTH... Also G3 there are only 20 round mags. FAL has 25 and 30 rounders made though they are ungainly. Both rifles are equally reliable with WOLF and SILVER BEAR and TULA ammo.

[@johndavis1312]

check out "tire iron"s test between the fal and ar10. maybe something like that would be good

[@benjamingriffith4183]

FYI Toratsuro, there are various manufacturers that make 5, 10, 15, 20, 40, 50, and 100 round mags. Of course the 50 & 100 rounds mags are drum mags. Which all seem to work and feed well. I have also heard and read from various sources that you can easily weld 2 Hk 20 rd mags together pretty easily to get a 40 rounder. Since I don't have a tig welder I need to try it on steel mags since I only have a mig welder and a stick welder.

[@benjamingriffith4183]

Personally I like the 168 grain ammo seems to shoot best out of any .308 7.62x51platform. Just my personal experiences. Also would be nice to see mil surplus ammo (steel case) since that is what the rifles were designed to shoot. I do have a PTR 91 which is the same as the HK 91. I have noticed that most if not all PTRs / HK91s seem to damage the brass when ejecting. Thus why I have been told by multiple people it was designed to shoot the cheap steel ammo. Thanks for the video! Keep them coming.

[@fergusmason5426]

Then multiple people are talking rubbish. German 7.62mm NATO is brass cased.

[@snsm6730]

Have shot and owned both types...FN FAL and G3...DSA and PTR made examples. They BOTH will do what you need but the PTR does have a unique manual of arms compared to the more conventional FN FAL you must be comfortable with to be effective,

[@saxandphone6440]

H&K are the best gun-maker in the world in my opinion; I would not buy a G3 unless it came from their factory. That being said, which one is better really depends on whether you are buying a semi-automatic or full-auto variant. Though both perform similarly, I'd say the G3 is better in semi-auto configuration with a scope and bipod. It's also easy to mount than onto an FN FAL. As a full auto the FN-FAL is definitely better... both guns are pretty much too uncontrollable to be practical in this sense but the G3 is absolutley not fit for full auto fire in a combat scenario unless it is meant to be suppressive or scare the shit out of the enemy.

[@GeorgiaBoy1961]

PTR Industries of South Carolina purchased actual G3 blue-prints and tooling from one of the German/Austrian makers, and had them shipped to the U.S. for their plant. So they are as close to G3 specs as you can get without actually being a genuine H&K G3 - which is substantially more expensive and harder to find.

[@terrydavis5141]

I have run both extensively. The FAL is a fine piece of ordinance as is the 91 - G3. The roller delay actions require more on the tuning and, as any roller delay system, if you reload - you can forget it on these. Roller delay actions destroy the brass. The recoil impulse is much more violent whether it is felt or not.

[@bigchunk1]

Why does it not matter if it's a collector's gun? Collect-ability is an important part of a gun's value.

[@VEightMerc124]

bigchunk1 cause if you are watching this to see what each is like for some kind of protection role then it does not matter...and if its gonna be a shooter then shoot it, if you are gonna collect then you probably wouldnt be watching my video:) I have some stuff that would be considered collectable, but I dont value it that way. I value it for what it is capable of, not what it might fetch on the open market. If I had an STG44 in my safe I would be shooting that thing, not let it sit there and collect dust. Its worthless sitting there, especially if you know what its financially worth, but that you will never sell it....hence worthless. But thats just me.

[@anthonyperras4164]

I would like to note that the trigger pull on something like a factory SKS, from what I am seeing since I don't have my PTR 91 G.I. as of yet (going to purchase it when I get paid), is about the same on the amount of trigger "gap" as I call it, and I think it is there to try and avoid double taps on the HK g3/PTR 91. Would like to also add in that in a State like California, where they are anti-"assault rifle" hardcore, the FN FAL is very hard to come by as for the PTR 91 has a California compliant variant with the "bullet button", and bought new from a dealer the PTR comes with a 3 year/ 25000 rounds warranty. and for about $1000 the PTR is not too expensive for a "battle rifle" in California. I love both but the PTR is easier to acquire for me.

[@AKlover]

I own a 91, BUY THE FAL. The 91 will have better sights and cheaper mags. The FAL wins in every other category. Ergos on the 91 are absolute SHIT!!!

[@manyskunks]

+AKlover And you are one person saying that out of everybody on here. How is loneliness?

[@victorjoel8032]

+AKlover I have owned both those rifles, as well as an M-14. The FN was the only keeper. I and a buddy got rid of the HK-91's we had, as fast as we could find suckers to buy them! After two years of owning them, we hated them. The FN truly was 'the right arm of the free world.' The HK had poor balance, & felt like a chunk of steel. It threw the brass far & with great force. God help the soldier beside you that got dinged upside the head with its brass. The cocking handle was in a bad location, especially when shooting prone. The trigger pull was abominable. The sight picture was poor---try lining up a post, inside a circle, inside another circle quickly! The sights were not easy to adjust. The stock was too short. The recoil was DOUBLE that of my FAL. The damn magazines won't hold the bolt open after the last round. And the HK is just plain BUTT UGLY. Only when I put on a slim-line handguard, was it a little less eye-sore. And my FAL is much more accurate. The only .308 battle rifle I fired that was worse ( a buddy's), was the Spanish CETME, which the HK was based on! No, I wouldn't take in trade three Hk-91's, or two M-1A's for my DSA FN-FAL.

[@projectiledysfunction2217]

+Victor Joel agreed, used to own an actual HK-91 along with a Century CETME that was one of the ones that actually worked and shot great. Now I own a DSA SA-58 carbine, DSA STG-58, and a couple AR-10s instead :( They were accurate and the CETME was the softest-recoiling .308 I've ever shot, but the HK-91 was brutal compared to either that or the FAL. The FAL and AR-10 have better ergos in every regard, I never cared about irons because I equipped them all with optics. Screw those safeties, mag releases, lack of BHO, and lack of customization options :(

[@scouse1967]

That actual "FN FAL" you have is the british 7.62mm Self Loading Rifle and boy what a rifle it is. Used and trained with the "SLR" during my time as a serving Leading Aircraftman in the Royal Air Force (84-87)

[@RevMatchDesigns]

I very much dislike the fact you never touched on the reasoning for the roller blow back design and how it lends itself to bolt action gun like accuracy and improved muzzle velocity. Shot from prone with a skilled shooter and a good optic and a bipod, the simple mechanical designs of each gun alone will lend to the HK 91/g3 out shooting the FAL. When the marine core needed a battle rifle in the late 80s and 90s they chose the HK91/G3 and not the FAL simply for its ease of accurate shooting and consistency in doing so. The average test was shooting a handgun sized 10 yard target from 300+ yards with only iron sights and a bipod. My father went through such testing and claims the gun did so with ease. I have shot mine out to 300 yards with just a r rest and iron sights and am able to replicate this test with ease after learning the gun. The trigger absolutely sucks. This is true. However bill Springfield will.drop.the trigger weight, remove 50-60% of the take up and remove all grit and sponge like feelings by simply shipping him your trigger pack and 60$ and return shipping.

[@VEightMerc124]

Rev Match Designs This wasn't really a video on why one manufacuter produced an rifle one way while another did it a different way. We just wanted to touch on the subject of which is "better" with what ever system they got. I fully agree that the HK91 will lead the way in the accurate semi-auto long range rifle category. One question I would pose you with is, why dont other manufacturers today also do a delayed roller lock on their rifles? And theoretically they should be finicky with the ammo type (different pressure levels). The Piston impingment is the way to go, with an adjustable gas system for different types of ammo. Delayed roller lock is not the future for a reason. I am very seriously considering doing an accuracy test at 300yds to see what happens between the two. However, I believe people wont be satisfied anyway because of the variety of ammo types out there or more importantly....neither of these rifles are the REAL thing, they are just clones. Cant satisfy everyone with one video. Thanks for your input.

[@reallifebadass444]

V8 Merc in general blowback is more finicky. That's not when we're talking about the G3 and MP5 though

[@Stonewallx39]

I wonder if the heavy block of steel in the G3 style rifle's bolt and bolt carrier would aid with reliability in adverse conditions. One of the feature of the AK rifle that aids in reliability is the large bolt carrier actuating within the rifle. This does however effect the recoil impulse as you said. Other considerations for reliability are the quality of magazine (I feel like magazines cause more malfunctions than any other aspect of firearm design) manufacturing tolerances, and ammo quality will all determine how well a firearm functions. Thanks for the video, great battle rifle comparison!

[@johnaccer4855]

STOP JAWIN AND FIRE IT

[@VEightMerc124]

ok ill touch off a few right now.

[@eyeswideopen2536]

john accer lol

[@DrLaserz]

you can get the heavy dmr buffer for the hk and it will negate a substantial amount of recoil. its fairly cheap for a really good upgrade.

[@Ricardo-eg3wn]

Will Allen it’s not the buffer at all. literally he has side to side wobble because of the wide handgaurd. The Germans still use the g3 as their dmr and they use it with the slimline. That wide handgaurd isn’t for taking precision shots it’s for use as a support weapon. It throws balance off because you can’t really get a solid grip around it. It’s awkwardly shaped to fit the bipod. I’ve taken both handgaurds to the range and the better one is defiantly the slimline. It just heats up quick. But you can stabilize the weapon a lot better during and after the shot with that smaller tighter grip.

[@shaku2182]

Ricardo Rivera The wide handguard is called "tropical handguard".

[@Ricardo-eg3wn]

S haku tropical green was a color selection they were issued in. It’s a wide handgaurd bro. The width of the handgaurd has nothing to do with tropical climates man. That refers to the green colored handgaurds it was a color scheme. Google g3 tropical handgaurd and you won’t necessarily get a wide handgaurd. You will see that they are all in the dark green color. Tropical green.

[@JohnnyBGoode-xb6cs]

I have both handguards. I prefer the slimline, even though I have large hands. I liked having the bipod on the wide handguard, but for some reason, the bipod adversely affected my accuracy. I can't figuire out why, it just did. I also have the collapsible and standard stock. I put the dmr heavy buffer in and now run the standard stock. The collapsible looked cool, but the functionality of the heavy buffer won out. I have an StG58, HK91, and Galil Ace 1651 rifle. Love all 3.😀

[@AcidbrainwashEffect]

I like them both. G3 is my choice, I was able to put more rds down range before the barrel heated. FAL is a fine rifle, Might be a bit more accurate. I prefer a CQB rifle. ie: AK over AR. This is no different. For me, It's a basic preference, not a choice due to one Rifle lacking ability or durability.

[@tariqbell6076]

I have a PTR91/HK91. It shoots on a dime at 100yards. It has never failed to feed and is built rock solid. The barrel is thicker and can handle more rounds than a FAL in addition to being easier to customize for cheap. I have always wanted a FAL but do not regret getting my HK. I shot next to someone shooting a bolt Remington model 700 with comparable results.

[@madmaxd1]

Easy!!! HK for the win....

[@smellyfella5077]

I own a HK 91 (1974-dated) and a Belgian made metric FAL. Both are excellent battle rifles, but if I had to choose one in a Shit-Hit-The-Fan, The Grid Has Gone Down, Western Sociatle Melt Down type of scenarios where I depended on the rifle for my life day in and day out in any conditions; the HK 91 wins....because its built with more sloppy tolerances and less prone to "gumming" up inside (kinda' like the AK-47/74 which is why its so dependable) compared to the FAL which in comparison is built like a fine Rolex watch

[@robby4738]

The FAL is better balanced. The G3 is so front heavy.

[@pilot3016]

Excellent Video. Much appreciated! (Great comments too, from your viewers).

[@ChristopherSmithWHAM]

The answer is: the FN SCAR 17S. :)

[@ChristopherSmithWHAM]

+Sea Wolf ....because HK hates you and you suck. LOL monsterhunternation.com/2007/10/09/hk-because-you-suck-and-we-hate-you/

[@ChristopherSmithWHAM]

+Sea Wolf Not at all. My SCAR was manufactured in Belgium. I just thought that old HK meme from Larry Coreia was funny, and certainly only meant it in good humor. I honestly don't know much about the HK417 A2, and I'm sure it's a fine rifle. I've only ever owned one HK - a USP Compact pistol, which was a pretty nice gun, but I no longer have it.

[@ChristopherSmithWHAM]

+Sea Wolf I've never fired a G3 or a PTR, although I'm curious to try one. A friend of mine has a South African FAL (he served in the SADF, was issued a FAL during his service, and has loved them ever since), and I have had a chance to shoot it. I thought the FAL was a really cool battle rifle. His was heavy, and it wasn't exactly a tack driver.....but it was accurate enough, and seemed to be built like a tank. It was fun to shoot. I owned an M1A for a while, and loved it, but eventually traded it away for a custom built AR10 SASS rifle. I never really liked the AR10. It was accurate (and expensive), but it had no soul. Of the .308 battle rifles I've owned so far, the SCAR is my favorite, and I'm going to keep it.

[@ChristopherSmithWHAM]

+Sea Wolf well you've got a much better bolt action than mine! I have a Remington 700 in .308 that is pretty nice and accurate, but I'll bet that your AI is nicer and more accurate. I am just a bit jealous. :)

[@simonnormand2813]

I have had the opportunity to use both types in real situations. The only weakness that the G3 may have will be keeping the chamber flutes clean. we had to resort to using a shotgun brush to keep the chamber properly clean. Otherwise cases tend to stick. The FN as we called it, was easy to clean, reliable and accurate. The ones I used never gave me a stoppage, or misfeed. Not surprising that it was used by the number of countries that used it. Either one will serve you well, just one word of wisdom learned the hard way, don't go short on good magazines. If either one of these misfeed that can be attributed to the magazines. The 7.62 x 51 NATO is not a light round to carry around in bulk like the 5.56. So carry around 6 mags with one on the rifle for a while and you will begin to understand. The rest of it is just down to personal preferences, personally I would prefer the FAL, mainly because I used it more and I know it well.

[@cvi4057]

At the end of the day FN or don't.

[@stealthandy638]

thank you :-) . I love the SLR . I would like one day too fire the other one . I would love one day too own one . thankful for sharing .

[@raoulpabon7562]

fal is much beter if you reload the h&k destorys your casses not safe to reload

[@Grave187RIP13]

raoul pabon Wrong.

[@Grave187RIP13]

Aaron Neville Myabe you just have a piece of shit H&K but mine doesn't ruin my case. Fucking loser.

[@Grave187RIP13]

Aaron Neville Okay fucking moron, send me $100.

[@Crunkmaster]

you guys look stupid as fuck lol

[@clintlopez2550]

I know they are both great guns. Ive fired both. When I was in the market for a .308 rifle I made a huge mistake and bought a Kel Tec RFB. After shipping it back to FL. twice I finally got the freaking thing working. Not 100%, but I was honest with the guy I sold it to, and he still wanted it. I then had to wait again for the funds to try another .308. My second was PWS Mark 2 I think the gen 1. Issues again with the PWS and one trip back to the manufacturer, then sold it. Again I had to wait till funds were available. I kinda wish I had gone with one of these options first. It would have saved me so much money, time, and hassle. Recently I came into a little money and well, scored a SCAR 17S and holy crap. I know not everyone has that kinda dough laying around but wow. It was like a bought a Cadillac. None of the issues with the two previous .308 or 7.62 NATO rifles I had. Great video brother. Just throwing in my story.

[@bcourter82]

Show proper firearms safety!

[@theopinion9452]

back in 1960 and beyond,the Cubans called the FAL rompe tronco(trunk breaker)meaning it would go thru some trunk trees and hit their target.

[@dimievers5573]

i shot the FN-FAL as my personal rifle when i was in the dutch army , its an awesome rifle , powerfull , but a mule , i am 6ft6 or 198 cm so the pull ( stock) is a little short for me what resulted in a blue cheek every shooting session , i would love to own one still , i now own a cetme ( the spanish base for the HK91) and its also a mule , it also has a short pull and it also gives me a blue cheek , its a way more stiffer rifle where the FAL is more forgiving , i also love how the dutch FAL has a bipod as standart , TBV i prefer the FAL over the CETME or H&K any time of the day and twice on sunday !!

[@norfolksouthernrailworks1543]

I have shot both, planning on buying a half & half ptr build with 2 surplus HK clips, hk lower and bolt, barrel, stock and shroud. The receiver and trigger are PTR built. The 91 is a definitely for me, as I actually enjoy the heavier gun. For me, and I'm not sure if it's the shooter "aka me" or the gun, "fal or HK 91", but the 91 has less jump, which means it is quicker to re-aquire my aim. However, the FAL does have less moving parts, but by that same token, the german engineering in the other is just a little bit more reliable. I feel that with the PRS2 stock on the HK, it is easier to handle than the FAL. But again, personal preference. Thanks for making the video. Also, if anyone owns or has shot a SAR 7 tavor, do give me your feedback. I have shot one and operated the ambidextrous switch, and I also heard a lot of amazing feedback from other people. Give me your opinion below please.

[@IgnacioLugo-f3r]

I served the Mexican army and used the fal 7.62 mm good riffle and very reliable..

[@ShirudoSystems]

I have both and agree. I would chose the FAL over the G3. G3 I think looks better, is much more affordable (rifle & mags), and is slightly more rugged. But, the trigger sucks and makes distance shots exceedingly difficult. Also has that weird twisting recoil impulse you talked about. Folding charging handle and no bolt hold open also make reloads much slower than other platforms. FAL has better ergonomics, better trigger, more linear recoil, and is much faster to reload with the bolt hold open and non folding charging handle. G3 is probably better for untrained soldiers (though the operation/reloading is more complicated than an AK or something) who just need to fire indiscriminately through brush etc. (ex. Rhodesian Bush Wars) FAL I think could be more effective for a skilled shooter given the better trigger and lower recoil. Basically, you can utilize the range of the 7.62x51 cartridge better with the FAL. (also Rhodesian Bush Wars, but you can also lay on a hill 500m away picking people off)

[@sferrell1987]

I hate to say it, but the recoil impulse feels greater to you on the G3 because of how high you have the stock placed on your shoulder. Your mounted optic on your FAL is allowing you to have that stock placed lower on your shoulder, thus allowing a lower bore axis, and the result is less muzzle rise. Nice, detailed video. Most folks don't put this much energy into an amateur comparison.

[@Gaspard129]

+sferrell1987 The difference in recoil impulse has everything to do with the difference bolt mass and velocity. Because it's delayed blowback, the G3 has very heavy bolt AND higher bolt acceleration and velocity.