KSG -vs- DP-12 [ Best Bullpup SHOTGUN ? ]

[@GY6vids]

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[@steph1701]

I have the KSG ... there is a shell deflector made by SMT Tactical to keep the shells off your wrist. There is also an enhanced tube selector that extends the tube selector to the point where you can switch the tubes with your wrist. Regardless ... Great unbiased vid. Good work!

[@anxiousbeachbums]

Good info.

[@violator4200187]

Thanks

[@Jglover32]

The selector switch is a huge “pro” imo. I can load slugs in one tube, buckshot in the other.

[@ryanscottm]

Probably one of the best comparison videos - not just for guns but of anything - that I've seen. Got me from the start with the time stamps and again at the end with the whole "don't discount the 500 or 870" reality check. Honest reviews not driven by manufacturer pressure. Just awesome.

[@tylerw1418]

7 years later this video is still impressive, and helpful. Just purchased my KSG and love it. Thank you sir.

[@GY6vids]

Glad it helped!😎🤝

[@tylerw1418]

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[@ThatxGuyxUxKnow]

I bought mine yesterday:)

[@GY6vids]

HEY!!! Got am idea...gonna run the DP-12 again in a video, and we will see its fast double tap in action(Cant tell you what, ruin the surprise LOL)...Granted the double tap with 12 gauge isn't the most accurate but it can be VERY ENTERTAINING in certain situations! The speed of the DP-12 and its crisp trigger, will make for some fun! LIKE this comment if you're down for some more DP-12 stuff....

[@barryjustice8656]

Yes, please! The DP-12 should excel at a double tap drill. The fast double tap, ammo capacity and pump reliability is why I'm purchasing a DP-12 for home defense.

[@barryjustice8656]

Oh I forgot...ALWAYS DOUBLE TAP!!!

[@jnbaker7422]

You should get vambraces for the ksg.

[@aaronkinard4073]

pretty sure during your speed test that was operator error you were most definitely short stroking the action on both shotguns. alot of people give the ksg a bad reviews because they try to run it as fast as they can an in there rush tend to also short stroke the action. I have do it myself while speed firing a pump shotgun. good vid though

[@TWISTEDSTRINGS69]

I`m a little late to the show but I think they make a shell deflector for that now. No more snake bite !

[@frederikclaeyssens9201]

"hope you appreciate the quality..." Man, said it before and I'll gladly say it again: Your production quality is trough the roof. Excellent in every way. Thank you for the effort and the honest insight in both systems!

[@MW-jm8qb]

Great vid quality. Calm, non-obnoxious levels, no dopey funny shinnanigans, straight and to the point, nice slo-mo action, music fits, nice fade ins and outs. 10/10. Great Job !

[@sugarking12]

for the ksg I use my wrist guard I use for bow shooting and it deflects those shells great

[@BetaBuxDelux]

Ocazzar smart man

[@hjburgess]

I don't have the problem of the shells hitting my wrist

[@jamiesmith6838]

That's what i was thinking. Small mod or polyurethane wristband!

[@Combatzx2]

@@hjburgess same here man.. was news to me too

[@brianknight2282]

I had a problem with it shooting out on my fucking nipple like smacking it

[@dr.byronloyd4713]

I watched your previous video on the DP-12 and how the cycling was a problem. I am glad that Standard Manufacturing has since corrected the problem. I own a DP-12 and have put many rounds through mine. I have never experienced the sticking of shells, and the action works flawlessly regardless of the angle I am holding the weapon. Thank you for bringing this issue to the attention of Standard which prompted them to fix this problem. I enjoy your videos.

[@googlechicken]

@@pomztoybox6877 me too and I’m sorry but if someone is clearing a building with there weapon pointed perpendicular to the floor tha that is a tactical issue not a mechanical one

[@kennethkrajewski9443]

Great review! In case anyone missed it. The ksg can also hold. 24. Mini slugs. That is huge. Love the mini slugs!

[@tjnj2256]

yep KSG is the only shotgun on market that runs ALL 12ga shells flawlessly

[@vilador8229]

So it’ll run them flawlessly? I’ve been wondering this

[@RikuNoganashi]

@@vilador8229 I run the Aquila minishells in my KSG full time for security work, never had a single issue with them.

[@graemeo3440]

The KSG 25 holds 41 minishells.(with one in the pipe)

[@andrewclegg4120]

I have a KSG and use Aguila minishells, both slug and buck shot. You can put a max of 11 in each tube and they work flawlessly. I have shot well over 100 shells in one range visit, have had no miss feeds, no empty shell casings hit my wrist although my daughter did and the recoil is very much reduced by using a smaller shell.

[@RockLives4u]

This is a very professional and candid video presentation. I hope you continue to be honest in the future, and not give in to corporate pressures. Thanks It is a breath of fresh air in the world of product reviews

[@GY6vids]

Glad you enjoyed. Yeah it is rough fighting against the wants and needs of companies...everyone wants positive info spoke about their firearms, but honesty in my findings is #1, and it's very rarely 100% perfection on any of the firearms I review...but doesn't make any one gun horrible...but there are times a gun in HORRIBLE, and when that occurs, I'll tell you! Without the trust of my viewers...whats the point of doing reviews.

[@texmex8220]

So what do you think of the ksg. Me personally I am kinda liking it. In a fantasy tactical sense lol the selector switch makes for a quick reload. 7 then a quicker 7 than reloading a new 30 rd mag. With the dp12 once you run dry you either load both tubes or shoot one skip one. just a novice shooters 2 cents

[@anderseckstrand7033]

TexMex....That’s one of the problems I have with the DP-12. That and it weighs a ton!!!

[@ag4allgood]

@@anderseckstrand7033 Do you use a sling for it ? That would help.

[@felixfernandez1023]

Having worked with both, I believe the DP-12 to be the superior of the two......good speed and smooth action. Love the double barrel feature.

[@brenchyalowicois6748]

It’s also like twice the price

[@myusername3689]

@@brenchyalowicois6748 Yeah it’s 2 ksgs welded together of course it costs twice as much.

[@toddbowser9415]

@@brenchyalowicois6748 And twice the quality. Wouldn’t pay a plug nickel for that KSG piece of crap

[@MrLunchHour2]

@@toddbowser9415 the early ones yes but they fixed all the kinks. My ksg has been 100% reliable

[@2011blueman]

@@toddbowser9415 plug nickel? How old are you? 150 years old?

[@agentblammo]

Thank you for this great review. I am 100% certain which shotgun I'm going with (first). I love shotguns and have had my heart set on the KSG 25 since I came across it recently at a local gun shop. Then I saw the DP-12 which is most certainly boner-inspiring for pretty much any shotgun lover. After watching this entire review, I'm quite certain the overall better choice is the KSG, so I'll be going to pick mine up shortly. That said, I'm pretty sure I will be adding the DP-12 to my shotgun collection eventually as well.

[@RekzysTheTitan]

I always thought the dp12 was just two KSG's welded together

[@myusername3689]

It kinda is.

[@slave7022]

It's more of a ksg with and extra barrel.

[@iouund3rtak3r13]

No complaints about my KSG,,protects me and my family just fine,, and its a great gopher remover and camping protection. God bless, great video thanks..

[@bonsaiocean]

Mr. TEN 13 ever have any problems with the shell bite like this man had?

[@MegaLucario95]

Adam Weight I haven’t, and i’ve cycled all 15 rounds multiple times.

[@HoeLeeSheet]

I don't want a shotgun that's made out of beach plastic and plus shotguns are useless against home defense if I want something for home-defense I'll take an AR-15

[@NoneyoBisniss]

@@HoeLeeSheet That would be effective but not cool when the bullets blow through your (neighbors) walls and destroy things in the next room. #overpenetration

[@honorablesteve6091]

@@HoeLeeSheet Not all polymers/plastics are the same, as should be obvious, despite that I doubt that the polymer that Keltec uses isn't good enough to last

[@joshzolnierowicz3088]

"click on the time stamps so i wont waste your time" *subs instantly*

[@GY6vids]

My viewers time is valuable and I respect it. Sometime people just want to see the details and others want to see just shooting aspects...Want to give them the option. Welcome to GY6vids

[@leokrupp4442]

Dudes legit.

[@jonathanblaine4121]

Same. Mad respect to him for that.

[@emmettmarbury6571]

Lol

[@markbrown1603]

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[@matthewrodriguez7967]

For the ksg you can put the selector switch in the middle so you don’t have to switch it after the first 7 shots. It automatically switches from barrel to barrel.

[@trapez6271]

OMG No videos mention this!!! Thanks!

[@rwplm]

KSG owner here. That is false. It cannot cycle and you can't even load it if the mag tube selector switch is in the middle. If anything, it functions as a second safety.

[@rwplm]

​​@@trapez6271Don't listen to him he's full of it. If you put the selector switch in the middle if prevents both tubes from loading. I own a KSG and I have tried it myself in the past

[@trapez6271]

@@rwplm thanks for verifying that, i read that somewhere a few weeks back 👊

[@urbanswagaddict]

​@@rwplmI started smiling until I saw your reply. I own the ksg also and got excited to test that out.

[@Solidslayerr]

Just from my own experience, the KSG absolutely hates those short neck aluminum shells and gets sticky like that with them as well. Most notably the Remmington target load shells, bound up like crazy. No problems with high necked shells, or short neck brass ones. Kel Tek themselves told me they don't intend them to use the short neck ones, just a thing with the KSG extractor. Had the thing for about 5 years now and still love it, just gotta experiment around with ammo a bit.

[@Omen_Seven]

lmao That ending was a lot like a Top Gear verdict: "So between the KSG and the DP-12, I recommend the Remington 870." I know that's not what you were getting at, but it just made me think of that. And really though, it is a very good point. I mean, they're 12 gauge shotguns for god's sake; quite possibly the simplest principle of all firearms. Put shell in chamber. Pull trigger. Gun goes boom. Shot goes somewhere in front of you. These two guns, unless you're going to need that higher capacity, its really just a matter of how much you're willing to pay complicate a simple prospect. I mean I do like both guns and they'd be a blast to own, but for my money, I'd probably just grab myself an 870 as well.

[@nellsonstout7001]

If agree with that verdict, but if I didn't have a choice between the two, if choose the DP-12

[@nellsonstout7001]

I'd choose

[@lucernhammer]

anyone who advocates for the remington 870 hasn't shot a new one terrible ejection I'd go mossberg

[@toddk9044]

lucernhammer Not all newer 870 models have problems. However I would say for the $, no one should have any issues, but you can thank The Freedom Group that bought out Remington for that. For sure, you can't go wrong with a mossberg.

[@SVTsupercharged]

More shells can be the difference between life and death. I'll take more over less any day.

[@RNJuiceable]

I think Standard Manufacturing must have made minor changes since this video. I've had zero (0) misfeeds or misfires since purchasing mine in Fall 2021 -- it's been 100% perfect. I'm glad they got those issues worked out :)

[@kbkesq]

How many shells do you have through it now?

[@Miokomata]

KSG is my to go shotgun for home defense, and its pink :3 For the selector switch i installed a longer one and use my wrist to flick it over to switch tubes.

[@HoeLeeSheet]

Haha pathetic you use a shotgun for home defense. Use an Ar15 wont hit your family in a hostage situation.

[@mahbuddykeith1124]

@@HoeLeeSheet At the ranges you'd expect indoors, a shotgun is a rifle for all intents and purposes; the spread will be fist-sized if you shoot across the room. There's that and the fact that not everyone has access to an AR-15 for home defence. You could live in Canada or, even worse, California.

[@ricrusso7347]

@@HoeLeeSheet Yes you are correct but an Ar15 round will penetrate drywalls like swiz cheese!!!, you have to think about what's on the other side of multiple walls!!!. The best home defense system is to use a good quality handgun or what I do is I have two weapons systems ready to go close to me for just an intruder or all-out "zombie apocalypse". Fight like you train and this is what 20+ years of military service has burnt into my muscle memory, I never went to combat without my P226 and my M4!!!. "Always outnumbered, Never Outmanned"

[@steveroberts619]

@@HoeLeeSheet An AR for close quarters home defense? Come on man that's ridiculous. Pistol first, shotgun 2nd and then my AR pistol. Hopefully never have to find out which works best. 90% of gun owners wouldn't think a shotgun is pathetic.

[@SKtube0]

@@HoeLeeSheet Do you even own a shotgun? Almost everyone I know who has one would go for it for home defense especially over an AR. Using an AR doesn't guarantee that you wont hit your family in a hostage situation. Chances are, you're going to wind up shooting a member of your own family.

[@MrMarjaani]

Yeah....not for $1300 bucks....almost twice the price of the KSG and all of these issues? I'm good. Great vid.

[@thedailyvariety4407]

KAMP- I agree 1,000%.

[@YardieSmoke1]

imgone What does the DP have over the KSG?

[@Superman-xr1oh]

@@YardieSmoke1 Nothing.

[@Mr.J281]

Thank you for helping me decide that I’m sticking with purchasing a KSG

[@genestarwind7]

Nah bro it is 100% worth it ... the first gen dp12s might have had quirks but I've never had the issues this guy had ... its the best shotgun money can buy IMO .... and yes I even say it's better than the m4.

[@doctorprepper5196]

I want to thank Tim Tebow for doing this review.

[@VanXHydrA]

Ahahahaha

[@jacobcraig2891]

Bwahaha

[@alternative7586]

Muahahaha

[@tlmorris513]

🤣🤣🤣

[@littleike2228]

Hey GY6 I appreciate all the time you took editing and including the time markers. Not enough people say thanks so thanks man, keep making awesome videos

[@GY6vids]

Thank you for saying thank you...its a ton of work and I want to make sure to NOT waste you time(Hence the Time Markers). Some viewers have time to watch it all, and others just want to get to the point. Thanks for the support!

[@Beanu1968]

+1989Muppet Huh, I wonder why?

[@TheJrivera1]

I'm picking up a DP-12 this weekend in my home state of CT. Thank you for the great review.

[@thatoneasianguy10221]

Such a well shot and edited video, amazing amount of work, effort, and dedication! The quality really shows, and what you're doing for the firearms community is very appreciated. Thank you for the outstanding material! Liked and subscribed.

[@GY6vids]

Thank you Jimmy! Means a lot. Thank you for all the support. MUCH MORE COMING.

[@DDDYLN]

If the KSG had a feature that fed both tubes, without having to hit the switch to feed from the other tube, it would be a great home defense pump shotgun. I'm not suggesting they change the ability to select just one tube. But, you shouldn't have to hit a switch after one tube is empty. This causes you to break your grip and aim. These are essentially home defense shotguns. In that situation, it's undesirable to break your grip in order to engage the 2nd tube.

[@THEZWARRIORWAR]

Best firearm reviews in the Internet! Very entertaining, honest, amazing quality of video. Keep it up

[@GY6vids]

Thank you!

[@bad_company5.03]

Great review. Never fired the DP12, I own a KSG. Love it. I like being able to put buck in one mag and slug in the other. The weight is also a big factor between the two. Ensuring that I fully pumped it each time was the hardest thing to train. No short stroking. It will not feed if you do. When you are looking at 1400+ or 800+ and need a red dot or any other additions, the KSG is the best way to go. Plus the extra 600 gets you a lot of buck and slugs ;)

[@onoes9646]

That LaRue target rises like something out of a horror movie.

[@christopheranthony6965]

Again 7Yrs. later, but was that because he just shot the crap out of the base of it? Or do they always function that way?

[@Gambit-jo4rw]

PERFECT vid, unbiased, very thoroughly in explaining and not just saying like if the audience should know already-experts and BEGINNERS watch. New with this and understood everything thanks for explaining and not just “oh look what I have this is cool.” These types of vids are supposed to be educational, not show and tell, other channels can’t comprehend that. I was literally deciding between these two and you’ve gave great camera angle, multiple different stress tests scenarios, time markers (to avoid wasting time), and things as a newcomer I wouldn’t have considered into perspective I’ve realized which best suits me specifically, thanks.

[@brettlacher4159]

Thanks for the great review. Totally top notch quality and VERY fair to both platforms. Many pros and cons to be to be sure. Because price was certainly a big factor (and quite frankly, they both seemed about on par) I went with a KSG. I still love the DP12 and would love to own one. After shooting the KSG, I can thankfully say that the rounds clear my wrists and I have never been bitten by a single round. I wonder if this is a change in Gen 3 or if my wrists are just a little smaller than yours (or we hold the platform differently; I think my grip is in a different spot). Likely the latter. I am 6' 192lbs btw, so not a small man, so for all those reading, don't automatically assume the rounds will hurt your wrist like they did his. If they DID I was willing to take that chance, as if I need to pull her out in home defense, I couldn't give two shits less about a bruise lol.

[@MegaLucario95]

This video made me make up my mind between the two, went with the KSG. Literally no issues at all since i bought it, and it’s an absolute blast to fire all 15 rounds in rapid succession.

[@baseball-dude4252]

Do you still like it? I'm thinking about buying a ksg 12

[@leisergeist]

I'm still continually impressed by how well shot (pun intended) and edited these videos are Well done man

[@GY6vids]

Thank you! always good to hear, and EXTREME amount of time and money goes into producing them.

[@mwurslin7152]

Finally!! an informative review that offers both honest pros and cons. Unlike a lot of the "I don't like it so you shouldn't like it either" reviews... I really appreciate you just giving the facts and leaving the choice up to the viewer. I feel like the DP-12 is definitely a more robust gun but the KSG is more compact and I like that you can select between two different types of rounds if you want. Thanks for the review.

[@jamesthomas8112]

You were very informative and I thank you. I was on the fence between the two guns. I'm going with the ksg on the price factor, accuracy, and ease of stripping down.

[@emburgess7186]

I have a ksg 1st gen. I took it out of the box an check the bore to make sure it was clear then fired two rounds thur it an then put it in the safe for 2 years. I finally took it out an wanted to pattern it. Fired five rounds 2 3/4 Oo buck. Had some light primer strikes an failure to fire. Then shot a round of trap with the 2 3/4 target loads an had fun but again lots of lite primer strikes an failure to fire. Field stripped an noticed a lot of sticky cosmeline type crap on the bolt an bolt carrier. Cleaned all off with WD40 went back to the range an fired six 2 3/4 target loads an three 3 inch number 2 shot...no malfunctions. I'm guessing a lot of folks must have experienced this same problem. I did notice the 3 inch shells chambered easier than the 2 3/4's probably cause that's what the keltec is clambered for...my suggestion is make sure you completely clean any cosmeline off the internal parts an lubricate before shooting.

[@rst2145]

When I 1st got my dp12 I had to send it back to the factory for repair because it was shooting both rounds at the same time .... so there is a way. Now it's functioning as advertised

[@moe4772]

It would be nice if it had that option to switch though... Can you imagine shooting two 3" slugs at the same time? Kinda like a midget on redbull trying to punch you in the side lol

[@Hahner88]

Just wanted to say excellent video! Very professional and well put together. So real quick I'm overseas so have way to much time on my hands. I have watched probably 50 reviews between the KSG and the DP-12. I like both but will choose the DP-12 more than likely. I dunno if it is just the DP-12 you have but this is the only video with the issues of misfeeds and soft primer strikes. Maybe user error short shucking because your going back and forth and the KSG is smaller. You obviously have a ton of experience with shotguns but just noticed none of the other videos have this issue and the DP-12 looks pretty flawless besides this video.

[@ChristianGames316]

you don't have to flip the KSG to switch tubes... you can change it with your wrist. which includes on accident!

[@TheFXCELESSOne]

Is your name for real

[@ChristianGames316]

+Slash Poison lol I'm a male nurse. murse ... Mursenary... lol

[@nickshumar4553]

+TheMursenary that is possibly the most creative name I've seen, love it

[@GeorgePerakis]

Have you ever watched Scrubs?

[@ChristianGames316]

haha thanks guys. and nah, never watched any medical based show except House.

[@Dylan-gs9sm]

Getting the DP 12 Thursday thank you so much for helping to resolve the feeding issuing when pointing downward

[@Oak_And_Iron]

Hell of a review. Knows his stuff and has GOOD quality.

[@GY6vids]

Thank you!

[@MyGamingParadise80]

Hands down you have some of the most Complete reviews i've seen. Thank you!

[@GY6vids]

thank you!

[@heathcliffe8446]

I have a few bullpup shotguns and the KSG is one of my favorites. Love the vids. Yours and Hickok's are definitely the best. Thank you for the quality content.

[@arrowgantonegreen839]

A Google search brought me here four years after the video was made. With a pandemic going on, rioting, and violence going sky high; anticipate this video getting a lot of new views between now and November. A KSG sold on an online auction today for over $1600. Kel-Tec is out of stock and distributors have NO idea if / when they will be manufacturing / shipping more KSG's. (You can get a tricked out DP-12 for $1700+; they have plenty in stock.) I am going with the KSG. This was a GREAT video. Awesome video angles and slow mo, great graphics, editing well done. You took two things I needed a direct comparison of and gave me a fair evaluation while sitting on my ass. I thank you and my lazy ass thanks you. (As odd as this will sound, I do not own a single short sleeved shirt or wife beater. The wrist burn shouldn't be an issue for me. Hopefully I don't set a shirt on fire.)

[@willegard2]

I'm a simple man. I see GY6vids? I like GY6vids video. On another note, great video! Thank you! Love from Sweden!

[@craigroberts6439]

I put the shell deflector from Mcarbo on my KSG Gen 2….really protects the wrist. Lots of fun upgrades for the gun….all making it look more bad ass. Thank you for a great video. Not only informative but your on camera demeanor is terrific.

[@mengh78]

I had some light primer strike on my DP-12 right out of the box shooting today... That was one of the problems. The other problem is that one round would fire but the other one won't let me pull the trigger. I was shooting the Fiocchi ammo... After I went home, disassemble the shotgun, clean it, oil it ,and switch to Estate Super Sport, the problem went away. It's the weirdest thing ever!!!!

[@gdancoleman]

Best bullpup review I've seen. Great info and thorough too. Thanks a bunch! Now I know the KSG is right for me.

[@Texan1939]

double tap 12 gauge: first the knees,second the torso. . . done!

[@jbanks4375]

Great video but need to watch Hickock 45, he explains the problems, it's not the gun, it's the aluminum shell casing, they stick. Best to use brass, smooth loading. Try it out, you'll see.

[@moe4772]

Listen to this man. I could not figure out why my 12ga pump and my Semi-Auto 12ga would jam suddenly. I stopped using aluminum Shells and it made a drastic difference! ALOT of people have trouble with the red Winchester as well, so yeah kinda like double trouble...

[@SpoolinVR]

The slow motion at 13:24 was bad ass. I want a video of myself like that 💪

[@GY6vids]

Thank you!

[@TheBinarySon]

Thanks for following up with the issue with the DP-12!

[@D3thM3tal]

Watching the slow-mo these guns are flexing quite a bit - I wonder if that is contributing to the issues that crop up when you are rapid firing. Either way - great review. I'm leaning towards the KSG due to the centered barrel and consistent target acquisition.

[@TheFXCELESSOne]

Except the fact of the shells flying out and hitting your wrist.

[@maniacmatt1782]

+Slash Poison deflector available or don't hold your elbow in so much so your wrist isn't tucked directly under. I don't have a deflector and have no issues with it hitting my wrist.

[@Wedelj]

Also, you can't put the DP-12 on safe after shooting one barrel. You have to either shoot both barrels or dump a live round out to put on safe.

[@Omen_Seven]

I think its a combination of the parts just expanding with heat (he did mention that it only happened after 150 rounds or so), and the fact that shotguns like this are notorious for misbehaving if you repeatedly fire them as quickly as he was; especially something like the UTAS UTS-15, but that thing has so many other problems, its hard to pick just one. I did notice though that the DP-12 didn't seem to flex nearly as much as the KSG.

[@TheFXCELESSOne]

maniacmatt1782 true true but the fact is, that it is a base shotgun review honestly would not buy either to many cons for the price

[@donkeyhong7423]

Having used the KSG and owning a DP12 I prefer the DP12 to the KSG. The KSG after breaking it down 10-15 times, cleaning, oiling, and making sure it was reassembled at a relatives house, he and I spent more time doing that than shooting it. He eventually sold it just to get rid of it . The DP12 I have owned for a year now and i have never broken it down or cleaned it after having shot 6-7 hundred rounds through it. I have experienced however as in this video the light primer strikes of the DP12. At most i would say its been 5-10 shells that failed to fire. Now I havnt broken it down to see whats going on in there whether it is a factory issue or a ammo issue even though i highly doubt its the ammo do to the light dimple on the back of the shell. Price difference is significant to i paid 1400 before taxes on mine but to me it was worth it. All in all though i love the DP12 it has a velvety smooth action but neither make good skeet guns lol.

[@GY6vids]

Thank you for sharing your personal experience, sorry to hear youve had such issues. That sucks;-/

[@donkeyhong7423]

+GY6vids you should do a dp12 vid with aguila mini shells lol. thanks for the awesome vids

[@GY6vids]

Yeah that would be cool! The DP-12 can dump shells so fast it would be a crazy time for sure!

[@prettyrickyfromva]

finally someone who doesn't curse every 2 seconds so I can watch videos around my house without headphones

[@GY6vids]

I will never allow cursing in my videos on GY6vids. I will either bleep them out or cut them out. Promise you that.

[@prettyrickyfromva]

It's definitely appreciated thank you!!

[@05crrt]

GY6vids thank you for the video I'm getting the KSG Friday 2-24-17 can you do a vid for KSG vs Utas vs dp12 OR. something vs the Utas ...PS you could host a gun safety class here in FL ur awesome

[@bc_usa]

05crrt ..i hope you didn't buy the KSG...The DP-12 Is far better. There are a lot of DP-12 videos on KZbin and this is the ONLY one where this guy was having problems with it..i own one and I have had no problems at all...better than burning your wrist off from the KSG.

[@05crrt]

USA- USA yes I bought one , have to say I've very happy with it. I had a few rounds jam. that was due to me NOT the firearm .. operator error but since then no problems

[@danielcs10]

Hey man, you have some of the greatest reviews I've seen on KZbin, great job! It's fun and it's complete on information. Ps: I'm Brazilian and unfortunately we aren't allowed to have guns, but fortunately I've been learning a lot about them with you guys, thanks a lot!

[@GY6vids]

Glad you enjoy them! Much more to come...thank you for the support.

[@silentlyobserve]

Are you ambidextrous? Just curious because you shot the guns from both shoulders.

[@angryowl5820]

Been using a Gen 2 KSG for about a year now, no problems to speak of. For whatever reason the shells don't seem to hit my wrist, maybe this depends on shooting style and arm length? I've never held a DP-12, but just looking at the thing I can't help but think "Who the hell thought that was a good idea?" The thing weighs so much it's not even remotely considerable for real world use, and the accuracy issue with having two barrels basically means using slugs is impossible. I didn't even know the field strip was so @#$%ed up until I saw this, but good lord how are people even remotely excited about that gun? Not to mention the price... If people want a fast shotgun they ought to buy a semi-auto. Besides the important stuff, I think it looks worse than Clinton's health. Good video and good observations.

[@codymoncrief2128]

Angry Owl I think the dp12 is more of a "badass" novelty firearm more than a truly practical defense gun. on a side note, have you by chance tried Aguila minishells in your ksg

[@angryowl5820]

I haven't had a chance to do that yet, I've been pretty caught up with school and camping/testing my AR build so the KSG hasn't been getting a lot of use for a bit.

[@brettlacher4159]

TL;Dr of the video: KSG pros and cons vs DP-12: -Much lighter -One barrel so better accuracy at range -Selector switch to load two different rounds (but can be a con, see below) -Cheaper! Which is really pretty huge for a lot of us, as if two things are about as good but ones is 30% less money, well... -Easier to clean/strip Cons: -Ejected shells can hit wrist, like he showed -Can get sticky and result in failure to load shells; overall less robust action -Ejector switch must be toggled after one tube is empty (which would be hard to remember in a combat situation) or could even be switched accidentally -Only loads one round per pump, so shoots at about half the speed of the DP-12 (all things being equal) -One less round -More recoil than DB-12 -Less badass; I admit the KSG is a ridiculous cool and gorgeous shotgun, but the DP-12 is even cooler as far as pure novelty/wow factor as it's double barrel and looks like it's from Terminator 7. Just writing this it's hard for me to determine which features I care about more. In the end I think I agree that I prefer the KSG dollar to dollar, but as to which I want more, I'm still unsure.

[@stevenevil8415]

Spoken like someone that doesn't know what the they're talking about. "I've never held a DP-12, but the thing is way too heavy to even remotely consider" is a dumbass opinion. I've handled both, shot both, and bought the one that performed better. The DP-12 is a FAR better close quarters weapon, and the LOP is actually built for a man. Maybe you should just get to a gym.

[@p.h.bridegroom4142]

Right because getting pelted by shells and having to switch between the loading tubes is no legitimate downside in a "combat scenario." I don't really think you thought out your comment at all. And incase you're not aware, he did a new vid explaining that the dp-12 made an improvement on the slide making it all metal-on-metal improving the alidse function considerably. Making it superior to the KSG. KSG wont even produce a company-made shell deflector for THEIR GUN. 100% stupid.

[@aaaaa1957]

The KSG is the way to go. As far as “ stickiness “ I don’t think that’ll be an issue because I don’t see a need to dump all the rounds that fast in real life situation. Most defensive situations I’ll be 2-3 rounds at a time. It’s speed causing most issues with both of these guns. You can order a selector switch for the KSG that uses your wrist to select magazine tube so you never need to change your grip. The weight can be an issue so the KSG is the clear winner there, in the video you hold the KSG with one hand using the forward grip at a weird angle without any issue showing how light it is.

[@chaseowens6842]

I feel that its never mentioned that they're out of the box "new", they will have "stickiness". Give it time and maintain it, it should all work itself out. I agree with you with the KSG.

[@billblake4029]

Absolutely fantastic review Andrew. I really appreciate your time,efforts and sincerity. Thank you and please keep up the great work.

[@shirleynewsome6616]

Just bought KSG, can't wait to shoot, ordered choke tube and recoil pad also scope.

[@makerofmanythings8447]

Man that KSG looks so good in that color. Love mine it's black and I can hit a 12" gong at 150 yards with slugs, I Have a Holosun 506C on it.

[@GY6vids]

Nice!

[@sunshine681]

@@GY6vids Very nice!!! The length of the hallway in my house is about 50', so I don't really care about rounds on target at 450'... (that's why I have a .308) Due to the mis-fires in this video, though, I would not choose the DP-12, regardless of Hickok45's review ;)

[@nayr8965]

I own and run a ksg. With practice, you can get the hang of reaching back with the thumb on your fire hand. It is a bit uncomfortable, but it's a game changer.

[@l4hv1n3k]

if money isnt a problem, then buy AA-12

[@jussayinmipeece1069]

you cant. its sold only to the military

[@evschulze2781]

@@jussayinmipeece1069 Not quite true. Semi-Auto AA-12's use to be on the market till about September of 2019, but the ATF recently declared them as destructive devices as they "had potential to be converted to full auto" and have since prevented the selling of AA-12 on the civilian market

[@AnonYmous-hu7jo]

jussayin mipeece Pfft, do basic training. So... you CAN.

[@Superman-xr1oh]

@@evschulze2781 That's a dumb reason. By that logic, an ar 15 could also be converted to full auto, or an ak 47. That can't be the reason.

[@Boddah.]

@@Superman-xr1oh Funny you should say that, they're going after the AR.

[@breakawaymotorsports]

Have owned my KSGs (yes,two) for over two years and have never had an empty hit my wrist,so lucky for me this is not an issue.(I'm 6'2" and 240lbs) I did have to smooth the chamber edges to get shells to cycle through the KSGs,but since doing that, zero issues in thousands of rounds. I use mine for sporting clays with an Eotech 512 sight,and am pretty deadly with it. I handled a DP12 but could not get past the weight and bulk of the gun.For the price of a DP12, I could buy two KSGs..and that's what I did. I figure it's a win win situation. Great video…love the slow motion stuff!

[@supersoberano2095]

Slow down on those times you’re trying to speed up. You’re short stroking it and creating the yam. On the one barrel one. Slower means faster when short stroking occurs.

[@supersoberano2095]

Redo that testing going slower and you will see I’m correct.

[@user-qo7qc5em5t]

I hate yams

[@mysticaldragon2740]

Watched both your first review of the DP-12 and now this one (came across this one accidentally) . Both well done and I love the honest opinions given based on your observations. As others have said it is refreshing and well done.

[@mk45gunnr25]

I must be perpetually 13 years old (I'm actually 44). Every time he said "girth" I heard Beavis and Butthead laughing!

[@ne5409]

😜😂

[@donniedarko1345]

Bought my KSG today. Great comparison with the DP...glad I went with the KSG even more now! Nice review.

[@joesumcock886]

Between the two, KSG. But, I'll stick with my 870, she's never done me wrong. _ The sticky rounds might be the Winchester you're using.. I've had to butt-stroke more than a few of them out. __ Awesome video! *~Spoiler~* After 30min of watching, the best bullpup IS? The 870! LOL

[@grant6620]

The 870 is about a 4th of the cost of both

[@unknownunknown-vd4ev]

is your 870 tactical

[@grant6620]

+unknown33 unknown33 mine is

[@joesumcock886]

Super Tactical.. It's got a black stock and everything.. (Snark) _ 870 Mag express, w/ 18" cly, Short Lop Hogue stock&forend, streamline sidesaddle, and +2 extension. My cheapest, and most adored firearm.

[@gunner4q]

sticky problems usually are related to 'shell quality'.. I once shot some cheap shells that left a coating in the barrel that after about 20 rounds I had use a rod to bang them out, like a muzzle loader!... switched to Remington and never had a problem!

[@TheMMAofficialshorts]

You make the best, highest quality content relating to firearms on KZbin hands down 🙌🤙🔥

[@PatriotCoinRings]

*"DP-12 hands down!"*

[@CPalanysamy]

I normally find gun youtubers annoying because won't stop jiggling or cursing. I appreciate this guy's seriousness

[@PoleSlappa]

Did the manufactures ever comment on the misfires, shell extraction "bite" or the stickness? After watching your review, they both seem to have major issues and made me decide not to buy either. It seems like each one failed the most import test during the speed fire. Not good - seems like they would have caught this during testing on their end and just let it go out anyway. IMHO

[@kwanmartin2914]

When shooting the dp12 you can not hold the trigger down while racking the slide. By doing so it will not allow the trigger to reset which in turn causes a weak hammer fall or it will not fall at all.

[@brettlacher4159]

Fantastic review; very impressed with the thoroughness and honesty. I'm still debating on which to get personally, but this review has shed a lot of light on the pros and cons. I am especially interested in those failure to fires in the DP12, which I primarily wanted more due to it's supposed increased reliability. Thanks for the great video.

[@Dark122Knight]

As a "Bird Gun" I think the DP12 is a better choice, but overall I think you've proven that the KSG is the better, more reliable shotgun. Great review, keep them coming! Thankx!

[@SomeDiscussionRecommended]

Damn, he powdered that pidgeon. Slow-mo really added to this.

[@chadbabcock4194]

To help with the "sticky" or the increased resistance caused from the heat and expanding parts don't use gun lube. Strip down, wipe all that off and apply a thin coat of grease. I used Lucas red and tacky #2 and really helped with my KSG.

[@GY6vids]

Grease/oil combo is all I use on Shotguns now days, and its what I used for this video as well...the sticking isn't coming from the moving parts, its the stuck spent shells and ejectors.

[@chadbabcock4194]

GY6vids well i have no experienced with the DP-12 only with my KSG. the grease i use did help, but you'd be correct to say that i still have those issues. yet it only seems to be prevalent during fast fire situations when the heat become abundant. I've experienced this with many new shotguns that aren't broken in yet. so perhaps it's just part of the break in process? the smoothing of the chamber to help the expanded metal caps?

[@TheStabilej]

Great video! Great shotguns! Love the DP12. 50% heavier? I say 100% more firepower. It's an awesome system.

[@iamlegend0000]

Thank you sooo much! You don't know how much these videos means to me since it's extremely details with precise pros and cons list breakdown bravo!!! First time gun owner here and much appreciated!! 👍👍🙏💯

[@MacSOGAdventureInternational]

Great Vid, I got the KSG because of this vid. Thanks for posting!

[@Dante95240]

I watched a video where the guy stuffed 24 Aguila mini shot shells in the KSG and it worked perfectly. Interesting, great educational video you did!

[@makerofmanythings8447]

I have an extended tube selector that I can switch tubes with a flick of my wrist on my KSG..

[@Valhalla_Heathen]

I personally prefer the KSG! Thanks a lot for comparing both bullpups dude 👍🏻

[@commandogregor6981]

Great video as usual, and you also did a great job on the editing and setup. Keep it up!

[@JohnGardiner-e9q]

A place called Hitec has a lot of great upgrades for the KSG. They have a longer tube selector so no need to change your grip to switch tubes

[@MANNY100123]

Awesome as always, Andrew!

[@jbmcfarland]

Just (end of Feb 24) picked up the DP-12 From Palmetto State Armory for just around $999!!! Haven't even gotten out to the field to shoot it yet, but excited to. Great video! New subscriber!

[@GY6vids]

It’s a fun shotgun. And I’ve heard they fixed some of the issues I found

[@danieldickson8591]

The faster you try to pump a bullpup, the more likely to accidentally short-shuck it, causing jams.

[@Chayonray]

Outstanding comparison between the pros and cons of these two bullpup shotguns. My takeaway, is that neither are optimal for 3 in shells (which I question anyway for home defense) and both need to be cleaned well before 150 rounds.

[@1crimm]

great stuff as always

[@GY6vids]

Thank you!

[@Dirty_Dan_Tactical]

+GY6vids I love your videos and may I ask "have you ever played airsoft or paintball"?

[@nephitidwell192]

I just picked a KSG in a trade. I was looking around on the WEB to educate myself on this gun. Thank you for this video. Well done.

[@Zankaroo]

I personally think I would take the KSG for the ease of take down, price and none issue aiming, plus if I load one tube with bird for warning shots and the other with buck so if needed I can quickly switch to lethal rounds where as the DP-12 has to fire all 4 warning shots first. But another bonus for the DP-12 is that most intruders will hear you fire and not rack it thinking your out or something, then expose themselves. I used this tactic on games all the time on kids with LMGs, fire off roughly 30 rounds , they think you're reloading and they charge and get shot by the other 70 rounds. Criminals are normally not much smarter than a kid and a lot of them are kids. As for the wrist issue with the KSG when practicing wear a padded glove or learn to hold it differently if you can but in a "oh shit" self defense situation I don't think your gonna care about your wrist getting hit a few times if you are used to it doing that.

[@spook5756]

Danny Hampton you sound as if you're living in some sort of fantasy world. Warning shots? Criminals counting your shots? C'mon son.

[@Zankaroo]

No, most people don't want to kill a home invader they want to subdue or scare off, you want to kill, I would only go for kill if my dog or family was harmed. I said nothing about counting shots, everybody including stupid criminals knows how a standard pump shot gun works rack, fire, rack, fire, rack, fire, no rack means no fire so they would think they have a moment safety to rush you when they don't.

[@dmhnc07]

I've owned a KSG for a couple or more years now. I was surprised to see that the spent shells are hitting your wrist. I've never had that problem once or has anyone that's shot mine as far as I know. Also I can change tubes with the selector switch very quickly. My left hand stays on my angle grip and my right hand stays on the pistol grip. Heck I can even keep my finger on the trigger. I never even change the position of my shotgun at all whatsoever. I upgraded the switch to an aftermarket one soon after purchase. As far as the DP-12 goes I haven't shot one yet but I've had my eye on them since they first came out. Nice to see them side by side too. The KSG is much smaller and that's what I like about it so much. Nice video though.

[@krisspofford]

nice video.. Ur good at what you do.... keep it up!

[@GY6vids]

Thank you....appreciate the support.

[@davidheideman3432]

I own 3 home defense shotguns. A Mossberg 500, a KSG and a Benelli M4. I'd trust any of them if needed. All have been flawless, reliability-wise.

[@benjibanks7894]

All that big $$$ for the dp and what do ya get? miss fire. Looks like I'm going with the ksg.

[@krashncat]

Love my KSG

[@pauloakes4189]

The problems you had with the DP 12 in this video were the same in my DP 12 in the beginning. The mfg said that the brand of shot shells were part of the problem. I was using the same brand as you were in the video. They recommend using WD 40 for the sticking and to change the brand of shells. I also had to send my gun back to have the barrels re-aligned as the gun would not eject the shells. The repair fixed the ejection problem but a new problem began. Every time the gun got hot the shells would stick up. The WD 40 helps some with the sticking problem and as the gun is getting broke in it has proven to stick less. I have been hopping mad about spending this much money on a shotgun and having to deal with these problems. However, I love to shoot this gun. It puts a smile on my face every single time I go to the range. I purchased a DP peep sight that they make for the gun and did not like it at all. It takes too long to get the second shot on target. I installed a Red Dot sight and was able to overcome the accuracy problems you mentioned. I moved the sight forward on the gun quite a bit more than where your sight is mounted in this video. It helps me acquire the target much faster and with better accuracy. The most outstanding feature on this gun is the recoil relief. I can hammer down as long as I want to without my shoulder getting sore ! I would not want to be your shoulder after shooting the 3 inch shells in the KSG for any length of time. I will keep this gun as a home defense weapon only. I never have a sticking problem with up to 32 shells and the gun gets hot. If I haven't taken care of the problem by then I deserve what I get. It's almost unbelievable how much lead can be sent down range in a very short time with this gun. Every time I go to the range the back supports have to be replaced. Thanks for an honest assessment of this gun.

[@GY6vids]

Thank you for your personal experience, sorry all that has happened to ya...that really sucks!

[@Seth-kt9lw]

Awesome video!! I have to say that I ran my DP-12 through similar drills with no issues. 150 shells smooth as melted butter. No FTF or FTL issues. The main complaint I have is the heavy trigger pull. The manual says it is supposed to be only 5 or 6 pounds but I swear mine is more like 15. Maybe it's just my gun? How do you like the trigger?

[@GY6vids]

the one on mine felt very light and smooth...weird!, the action was smooth as well up until about 100 shells or when using 3" 00-Buck.