Delta Force Operator, Should People Join Special Operations...

Tyler Grey is a former Delta Force operator as well as an actor, technical advisor and producer on the show Seal Team.
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[@timoneil3869]

Serious question, would you genuinely recommend any young male to join with the current state of this government?

[@thaddeusgiles4024]

@@timoneil3869 Whether the status of the government is good or bad. We will always need our military. Even if you join while its good, doesnt mean it wont get bad the very next day

[@MrBillkaz]

U guys are my heroes forever

[@jakobwiklund5688]

The trip is worth it tho.But a LOT need to know what to do afterwards.

[@eodmax85]

I got this speech from EVERY instructor cadre in the Q course. That and, "Save some cartilage and energy for your future self and family." In the end, the Army will eat you all up and leave nothing behind, IF YOU LET THEM. Letting go is hard for us. Especially when you've lost friends in that field. It feels like you're abandoning them and your guys that are still operating. Like this guy, I had no choice: a few IEDs and my back n brain are toast (for combat). But I'm still able to play with my daughter and make love with my wife. I, and others like me, are truly blessed.

[@BadBlue32]

Thank you for your service!

[@zachnye4179]

That’s it Brother be a warrior for your family and where God put you right here right now 💪

[@alextaylor29]

Thank you for your service and for sharing.

[@lifeisa.smalllesson4607]

Facts. Same. Shrapnel injuries and tbi's.

[@kilakr13]

You were on the other side of the fence? Bull fuggin shit !! SF dudes don't need validation through KZbin comments.

[@paulsacramento5995]

Never confuse who you are with what you do.

[@gladatusbob4497]

Beautiful quote

[@ThePrinceofallsayain]

What you do becomes who you are

[@paulsacramento5995]

Part of who you are, sure BUT, hopefully, not who you are. Seen too many people who are "lost" because they can't DO the thing that, basically, was their identity.@@ThePrinceofallsayain

[@davidpompili7593]

@@ThePrinceofallsayain Depends on what you do ... A two edged sword ...

[@davidpompili7593]

@@paulsacramento5995 I posted before I saw your post ..JACKPOT !!!

[@jfkst1]

I was an 18C for the best six years of my life so far. However, when you get older, the desire to prove yourself in combat diminishes and the desire to do something with a meaningful long term impact increases. I am content with my combat time in Iraq and Afghanistan. I also know it was largely a waste of my effort on lost causes.

[@waingrobro]

Welcome home brother. I'm not a veteran. Curious question, does becoming a Green Beret open doors for other interesting, possibly more impactful, job opportunities after service? I have a buddy in 5th group. I do hear this thought being casually spoken about in some GBs, on how their mission set really didn't leave them fulfilled with their service. My question again is specifically asking if going through all that training and time to become a GB, does it allow you to step into other roles that maybe will be better for your mental health and even financially for your family? I know security jobs exist etc, but what about getting jobs battling human trafficking or working for large corporations? Are those easy to get simply because you weren't a shithead while in and have that GB on your resume? Curious for myself, what the long term benefit of having some years as a GB does for you. Thanks homie 🤙

[@jfkst1]

@@waingrobro It's only a perceived strength in security work. I've worked in a wide range of fields after the military and while I am certain my military background helps me in most every field, it certainly carries minimal value in the eyes of most civilian professionals. So yes, it does provide clout in security professional work. Almost nothing positive in any other industry sector. And I'm certain a few positions I interviewed for it hurt me.

[@sawyerclark9630]

​@@jfkst1what jobs did it hurt your chances with and why?

[@jfkst1]

@@sawyerclark9630 A distribution management job for Starbucks. Assistant manager for Aldi's. Logistics management for Honeywell. All of them acted as if I would go Rambo First Blood on them. They also are hesitant to trust me around customers thinking I wouldn't have the requisite professional interaction skills.

[@davidpompili7593]

@@waingrobro SOGs AND SOCs add to career enhancement ... what you do later is up to you....

[@gardnert1]

As someone who tried and failed after getting so close to getting to the tippy top, I really appreciate this. Turns out even if I had made it I would have only been disappointed because shortly thereafter I got diagnosed with some wacky shit and was out of the Army, medically retired at 100%. Now I'm struggling just to do anything fitness-related, which also sucks. But in that time I've come to know Jesus, and that's what makes me feel enough.

[@vagous3029]

The higher you get, the more you realize that god is lord and you need him. May the lord god almighty be magnified and glorified throughout the entire earth.

[@JohnBrown722so]

​@@vagous3029nah nah no

[@chrisharm6242]

Keep your chin up buddy🙏🙏🇺🇸

[@chltmdwp]

@@vagous3029Keep your religion to your self.

[@jeanpaultongeren125]

I got schizophrenia. and I can feel you on the fitness-related part. Its really hard sometimes. Also doing workouts because of the lack of dopamne. The medication inhibits the motivational part. and instead of Jesus I found Goggins..

[@Fiddlefaddle115]

The price that must be paid to have this kind of wisdom is unimaginable. You can either sit and learn or come back 20 years later and realize he was right the whole time.

[@user-ic6cp9iy8z]

damn..

[@xlxl1762]

Im believing people do it for the experience they gonna gain from being in those teams. Yes you’re right on what you said 100% but I believe people gonna hear this guy, and still join knowing what they have to sacrifice. Because at the end they want that experience, they wanna live through it.

[@jukifps]

@@xlxl1762this is exactly why i’m going to continue to pursue it

[@WolfTheMadMan]

The highest calling you can achieve is being humble, having compassion, and helping others that struggle, in what ever way they need.

[@PoliticallyInsensitive]

I tell my kids about my experience;. Yes I met some really awesome people; yes a couple of them were killed; no not everyone you meet is a good soldier. Their whole lives I've tried to teach them HOW to think rather than WHAT to think. If they still chose to enlisted I'd support them.

[@Joe-xm3fm]

You wouldn’t be talking if you were sof

[@ryhk3293]

​@@bramrhodesdouglas5861Don't be the enemy. The oath is to support and defend the Constitution and bear true faith and allegiance to it. The Constitution is the regime. The system exists for the purpose of peaceable governance under one roof in the natural state of differences of opinion between men. You don't sign up to defend one "regime" and not the other. That's un-American. American is, "I may disagree with you, but I will defend with my life your right to speak, exercise or live it." You know, I hear all the time about traditional values and the way things used to be. Where the hell were you people during civics class back when we still taught traditional American values in school?

[@eric97909]

@@ryhk3293 Preach brother, well said, this puts into words what I've felt everytime someone says something like "Enlist for regime change, not this regime." Remember the oath

[@Conker117]

@@ryhk3293 I never served but I agree. Hes pointing out the wrong way to go about it

[@jonnovak6856]

Lmao team guys are running podcasts and shit. Some dude from the Osama raid wrote a book lmao you're delusional if you think SOF doesn't talk @@Joe-xm3fm

[@samuelaugustine3475]

This was so real. I'm actually dumbstruck at how real this conversation was.

[@newwaveboxman8308]

What was real ? That attitude is necessary in a field where perfection is required. Every single time you go out there you will lose a brother. Do you think you can live up to perfection ? No, nobody can hence the ''Not enough''. People let it take a toll on their mental and internalize it but its just not personal. Toughen up and understand the message.

[@Dd214medaddy]

The entire candor. Notice how suddenly every youtube channel is interviewing Unit guys? It's because recruitment is at an all time low, and SOF recruitment even more so. How many interviews have you seen that shape a narrative of the "ultimate warrior" and being the best and "epic heroic" stories from deployments? The whole narrative exists to make you feel like you can truly be the best you, and be worthy, if you join up and fight. The truth is you will NEVER be enough. Legs feel like they're not "real" soldiers compared to airborne. Airborne feels like theyll be "real" when they go to batt. Batt boys feel like the real warriors at RRC. RRC knows they'll be real men when they get to CAG. Guess what, this real conversation shows that not even CAG guys feel like they've really "done it". You can't measure your life by the metric of comparison, you have to learn to be satisfied in yourself. And if you do you won't be susceptible to propaganda telling you if you join up you'll be defending freedom. When the reality is that from the bottom to the top of the DA food chain is guys doing OPs with nebulous motivation, for morally grey actors, and there is no black and white, and lots of guys realize they've killed people that didn't need to die, and they taken lives to line some congressman or businessmans pocket, or destabilize a nation for the benefit of some political corporate goal

[@A_Wrestler_ForChrist]

This podcast has spoken more value then any other Tier 1 podcast I have heard. I worked with these guys for 4 years and being a father idk if it’s about being a man I felt less than a warrior and a man because I was never a operator but their support. From my time in SOF you do have a mold to fit and what I can just say is This hit the spot. I felt it directly in my soul when he said you will never be good enough. Because it showed me your in the life that you are in and that in itself is a blessing. Great podcast truly it’s the best one so far!

[@davel5018]

Sean Ryan has a great podcast

[@zachnye4179]

Amen

[@carlstovermusic]

These 12 minutes were probably some of the most important I'll hear. Addressed an insecurity I've had for a very long time. Much to think about. Keep it up Sean. Also - you guys should do a beers and breakdowns for Star Wars.

[@robearney5372]

I agree 💯. I needed to hear this for probably the same reason as you. So happy I stumbled upon this vid.

[@newwaveboxman8308]

That attitude is necessary in a field where perfection is required. Every single time you go out there you will lose a brother. Do you think you can live up to perfection ? No, nobody can hence the ''Not enough''. People let it take a toll on their mental and internalize it but its just not personal. Toughen up and understand the message.

[@alchemicalsoul]

Navy vet of OEF/OIF, my son is an 18 yo 11B in the 82nd. I gave him everything I know and understand. He still wanted to join. His father was a SEAL so how could he not? I know that one has to go into the belly of the beast to understand the nature of the beast, which is to understand one's shadow. I suspect he wants to know the shadow. Tried out for RASP, but I believe the universe intervened. Nonetheless, I think it's the best path for him.

[@Isaac-dt4iv]

I read part of the story on the Danger Ranger channel. All the best for you dear son. :)

[@alchemicalsoul]

@@Isaac-dt4iv 💪🙏

[@EchoP7596]

What happened to him at RASP? I’m in Regiment myself. He’s too young for me to have known him from pre rasp or RASP.

[@Isaac-dt4iv]

@@EchoP7596 What are your thoughts on 68W? I'm trying to get to Regiment next year.

[@EchoP7596]

@@Isaac-dt4iv Being a medic on the line is incredibly competitive. You could potentially spend years in a clinic until a position opens at the line. I’d say 18D medics get a wider base of training but no one does combat medicine better than Regiment medics. If it’s what you want to do then do it. If you are already in the big army then get your tab first and then go to RASP.

[@matthewcarrera2210]

Steven Pressfield writes in Virtues of War: “Being a Soldier is not enough, not all answers are contained in the Warrior’s code…The yogi’s remark that he has conquered the need to conquer the world could not have been more apt. What the Sage means is he has mastered that will to supremacy that resides not only in all men but beasts and plants as well, and is at its heart, the essence of all aggressive life”

[@darkaether806]

Thanks, Tyler. First saw you on the selection TV show, which I loved. I am a 4 year Navy vet and 17 year first responder who medically retired. It was a crushing blow for sure. I've always taken a lot of inspiration from the ethic of the SF community. After my job went away I started banging on doors and ended up doing veteran and responder peer support. I'm even helping to develop a trauma healing program for veterans (along with a great team). The dissonance you mentioned at the beginning of the interview was a poignant illustration of moral injury. I think it's something that may be causing as much or more difficulty for our uniformed persons as ptsd. Jonathan Shay has done great work in that field. Your point about it "never being enough " does take a lot of weight off. It really speaks to our need for spiritual wellness, community, and holism in our approach to care, not to mention transcendence. Some of it, of course, is just the nature of the kinds of people who join these communities. Thanks for sharing so much honest reflection. I hope that by raising this kind of awareness, we can help save lives and help our brothers and sisters find peace and healing. God bless. John 3:16

[@zachnye4179]

Thank you so much for you two men getting together and hitting “the nail on the head” with what so many men struggle with 🙏 that’s huge! Serious breakthrough of pure freeing wisdom there. This is a must to hear for those who are always wanting more, always chasing the dream of satisfaction, fulfillment, doing more being more. We can be “more” right here where we’re at if we take care of ourselves and look for those opportunities to serve, help & look after others(family, friends even strangers) right here right now. As much as the spec ops training and experience is a huge accomplishment and honor one can be a “warrior” any place anytime if they put their heart to it. Much mahalo’s & Aloha Blessings 🙏

[@SamBeig-ly4jp]

Perfect timing! I was just browsing what to listen to while I do chores around the house. Love the work y’all do!

[@FNGACADEMY]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@andrabook8758]

HA! I knew I wasn't the only one listening to this stuff while doing random chores!! Now I have proof >>>:D.

[@firstnamebunchofnumbers3738]

This conversation may have just saved what little of my life I have left to share. Thank you

[@DevilFrog61]

Hey man…this reminds me of Marcus Aurelius’ meditations, everything we do in life is going to be forgotten 1000 years from now anyway…it’s never been about “having a life” or accomplishing anything in some period of time. None of that. It’s all a drop in the ocean, and it’ll be washed away regardless and all be lost no matter what. So the point has always been just to live properly and in truth, simply because it is right.. live righteously for the sake of living righteously. I wouldn’t stress about “what’s left of your life” or put any quantitative judgement on your life…that’s a fallacy. Makes no sense. Remember that we are nothing, there is no success in achieving or not achieving…our job is only to BE. so it’s never to late. If you start right NOW then you still win. That’s the only prize there ever was in life.

[@firstnamebunchofnumbers3738]

Well brother, I think it’s already a wash. I’ve been being for quite some time. I agree with that in part. Just not in whole. It’s possible to go with the flow, right down the drain. Likewise staying in the moment is what I like to think he was getting at.

[@pablohuerta2001]

@@DevilFrog61what an awesome responses bro, fucking awesome

[@SameLif3]

@@DevilFrog61I was just reading the reviews of this book yesterday. It’s ancient but most of it still applies. Is it good for people who already know much about this stuff already? Seems like so?

[@dannyhester3342]

Tyler is an amazing human. To know someone that reach the “pinnacle” of their field and be as real and have so much humility is a blessing. I have reach the pinnacle of my field and I felt very much the same way after I retired. I’m now starting to see there are other goals that are not easily attainable that require the discipline and dedication that gives me purpose that I seem to need to fulfill me as a human

[@michaelblack9253]

Wow what humility! After getting to that level and saying that, shows your character. Well said 👍

[@alfonsolives]

Great insight. If I may share, my aspiration to be in SOF in my twenties I too I think came from pride. Now, 31 years old & after beating stage 4 cancer, I still have the aspirations and am currently pursuing SOF but for me as corney as it may sound, my mindset shifted to focusing on the experience and adventure that you get to go on with like minded individuals. Also, don’t let ANY job become your identity. Know who you are with and without any type of accolades.

[@huhhahuh]

This is solid advice that can apply to any man, in any field or walk of life.

[@codywarren7172]

This is the kind of content vigilance elite put out before they got into ufo’s and psychics. I like this content.

[@boozy2077]

Shawn interviewed this guy a while ago

[@astronautfarmer2358]

Shawn does this stuff AND ufo stuff.

[@BurnerTurner]

I'm not big on the UFO stuff either bo. But you wanna know what I do? I don't watch them. But still tune in to the other plethora of American badassness that he has on the channel. More eyes on channels like his the more its gonna spread. The stories he has on his channel need to be heard.

[@rojayreid908]

Shawn paved the way for others podcast like this, so you need to go back and watch Shawn podcasts especially the black hawk down episode.

[@bodybong]

Yea alot of ppl do like it, I don't care for it but as dude said above, I just don't listen lol

[@WasabiSniffer]

this makes me think of what Tom Satterly said in his interview with Shawn Ryan. "Just enjoy the mountaintop." You see a peak, you're gonna keep going, get to that peak and see another, you're gonna go after that. "When will you just enjoy the mountaintop?" When I was younger, I kept telling myself not to leave anything on the table, that I never wanted to reach a point in my life and ask what-if... I gave up trying to go to SF and CAG a long time ago, but now I'm on a different road and I can't imagine I'd ever stop. I like to think I'd be perfectly happy just sitting on the porch sipping coffee but I'm wondering, and worried, if anything will ever be enough, if there will always be a part of me that wants to do more. I'll have to watch the full interview when I get a spare weekend. I'm curious if Mr. Grey does tell us what he thinks is a good measure of a warrior, or just a man for that matter.

[@prisonpolitics4525]

Ex-Army and I understand how they feel because I couldn't even make it to my permanent duty station I made it through a shit load of training barley but after each evolution my body would just break more after all that I was separated from the Army for not being able to fulfill my contract in 98 and I was devastated. But there was no GWOT, and the Army was not going to spend money fixing me or retraining me. However my mindset changed in prison, I refused to join a gang and had to fight with and without weapons everyday. I lost so much more than I won, because of this I realized being Alpha is just surviving adversity. No matter what you do I don't care if you served, you know who you are through your failures. Don't ever give up and I don't mean on some school or dream or job I mean on life even if you have to move on. You only really fail when you don't adapt to that failure. These two men should never feel less than. HOOAH!

[@elel2608]

Always wanted to become a SO soldier in my 20’s. Part of it was wanting to overcome a huge challenge. The other part of it was me wanting to be the world’s baddest mofo that everyone respected. I realized in my 30’s that my goals were based on some black ass pride. I also realized that I don’t need to become a SO soldier to do accomplish something very difficult and worthwhile.

[@DPham1]

Excellent share, felt the same way in my 20s. Eventually found out I had a pre-existing health condition that excluded me from serving in any combat role in the military. Had to make peace with that and realize that there are other pathways to masculine integration than only SOF.

[@elel2608]

@@DPham1 Thank you for the share. I was one of those weird dudes that would walk around a heavy bag in the house doing dishes, etc. lol. I was obsessed with becoming JTF2 or CSOR (I’m from Canada) in my 20’s but my desire to become one just … faded. There was no crisis or struggle or anything like that. It was a realization of how narcissistic/stupid I was and also realizing, like you, that there were other paths to becoming a man/conqueror.

[@elel2608]

@@DPham1 Also I’m Asian like you and growing up in a Western society, you’re kinda brainwashed to think that we’re less manly and insignificant. This really jacked my desire to become the world’s baddest dude by becoming the ultimate SO soldier.

[@lvl18abilities]

thank you for sharing, may i ask what makes you happy nowadays?

[@newwaveboxman8308]

What is a ''black ass pride''

[@DirtyRidin661]

Always enjoy listening to Tyler and Marcus Capone. Everyone is struggling with different things, it defiantly pays off to have a positive attitude.

[@andrabook8758]

ignore everything Marcus says about the psychedelics BS. He's so lazy with getting his facts right that it hurts to hear him speak. The memory alone is cringe inducing for me...

[@AllShallBeRevealed1776]

Happiness isn’t an end point. It’s the pursuit that makes us happy. That’s why we all entitled to the pursuit of happiness not happiness itself.

[@davel5018]

I agree. When I was on recruiting duty in the Corps. I never understood the salty Veterans and why they didn't want their kids to join. Now, after I got out....and saw all the politics we never saw...I understand now.

[@locophoto6881]

Big problem with the psychological element...."that will never be enough" mentality has nothing to do with Delta or SF or any arena....it's common to every human on earth....we are never satisfied and always striving for "more" because the thing we have now isn't satisfying us......the only thing that does satisfy at the soul level is a relationship with God through Christ plain and simple.

[@robmills7611]

100%!! It is the ONLY thing! 👍

[@schultemeister6975]

Even though gods not real?

[@joeblow9657]

Quite true, I think it's a remnant of humans being hunter gatherers where we didn't know where out next meal was coming from until we got it. I wonder if part of that feeling is intensified for SF and other special operations forces members the same way it is for elite athletes

[@wadeboothe4397]

I remember about 5 years ago a staff sergeant that used to be the little kid that lived next door was all gungho about his 2nd deployment. He asked me if I wanted to go if I could. I told him no, its all bullshit, we need to get out of Afghanistan and stay out. He was stunned, I followed up with telling him the memories and the stories are not worth my train wreck of a body or all the mental bullshit Ive had to deal with.

[@jedd4635]

Basically killing yourself for someone elses dream.

[@anhiirr]

@@jedd4635 yeah "free democracy" for everyone else....while anyone that actually owns "nice things" back Home...is writing off everything as a tax expense for their "business" that they cook the books for and run up tax credit on SMDH

[@Falcon2609]

​@@jedd4635Facts

[@Stephen-bq4nq]

​@@anhiirrif you're not at least a top 10% earner your country doesn't give a damn about you. It sucks because people want to believe that they belong to something and that they matter

[@anhiirr]

@@Stephen-bq4nq so long as we never forget those that SERVE....serve on our behalf not that 10% or less than.

[@los2731]

I needed to hear this in 2009 when I got out. Unfortunately i probably would not of understood it then and just glad I’m hearing it now. Thanks for this one gents.

[@HughConlon82528101]

Possibly the most cryptic...completely obvious...most relatable...rearview mirror....and accurate

[@dr.bruceparsons1022]

Thank you, Tyler. What you said resonates so clearly. This may be incredibly helpful to many of my patients who feel that strong need to continue to strive and accomplish.

[@FastJetPerformance]

This also affects fast jet pilots and something I've been thinking a lot about recently - the thought that you are not doing, or good, enough, I think it's probably anxiety based but I'm still doing some work on it - many thanks.

[@BadNewssz]

Wow this is crazy, I was actually talking with my wife about prepping for PJ selection in the future, I’m a FF/Medic now. She asked why would I want to do that. And my answer was that I just wanted to do more, I’ve done pretty much everything in my skill set and it’s just too much room for complacency. She doesn’t understand that part, and isn’t too hype about me wanting to go PJ 😅

[@idunnomanigotnothin]

They never will understand and that's okay. It's nothing bad about them, they just don't have the same wiring. If you don't take that swing, you'll spend the rest of your life wishing you had. Good luck ♠️

[@Boomy2nicce]

Go for it brother don’t let time get the better of you otherwise you’ll regret not even trying at all. It sucks at first but you will eventually look back and be proud of you and the men who made it alongside you

[@masterchief167]

Good therapy here. This is what love is man. Good humans walking each other home.

[@user-sw9bd1oz5f]

I was CCT in the AF in the 80s. I get not being enough and yes, now that I'm almost 60, my body is reminding me every day but would do it again

[@gonzzzo6777]

Legend

[@vegetaz1532]

how bad are the injuries?

[@user-sw9bd1oz5f]

Herniated disk, torn rotator cuff plus a little PTSD

[@nike3000ca]

I wasn't SOF or anything cool like that, but I was medically discharged after 10 years. There's not a day in my life I don't regret all the things I wish I could have done in the Army.

[@joelpierce3940]

Like he said, that isn’t the measure of who you are. You served, which is more than 99% of the people. I feel there hasn’t been a “just” war since WW2. All the rest could have been avoided. Look at 911, we let haters, our enemies into our country and train them at our Universities. Liberal twisted professors, who are fools.

[@RiseofMortals]

I served in Afghanistan and had a back injury but didn't report it so I could stay and be of value. When we got stateside my command decided we weren't allowed to drink. Everyone ignored that order, but I got busted for it. Fair enough, I don't have issue with that. But my command passed me on to the base command specifically so the General could give me a harsher punishment. You aren't missing a thing. Keep in mind that I wasn't some shitbag. I did my best to work hard

[@ryanagadoni]

I really appreciated hearing this too. I’ve struggled really hard with not joining the military and so never having that bond to share with those who have. I joined the fire service instead, and I love it, but I still have that pang of regret about not having served. I keep doing specialties within my department (medic, tech rescue, USAR, pursing SWAT medic) but I still won’t feel like enough to get me that equivalency with having served. It’s helpful to know that even guys at what most of us would consider the pinnacle still feel like they haven’t done enough.

[@gtab6936]

Man, I felt the same way for the longest time-but thankfully the fire service has completely put that part of me at ease. I have purpose now and something that I can become a professional at. I have a respectable career with likeminded, good-hearted people, that provides me with challenges and a balanced life. I still have the utmost respect for those that serve in the military, but I’m glad I could find something that put my soul at peace. And you’re like the pinnacle of our mountain! Specialized and, I’m sure, well-respected. Just focus on that.

[@mattburnett4185]

I think being a fireman counts as service, in my book anyway

[@JasonCotting]

I had a friend who served in the military. He was in combat. At the time when I was a firefighter he told me he thought being a firefighter was scarier than going into combat. It gave me a different perspective.

[@stevemorin3647]

Be fair to yourself. You serve. I was a cop 25 years and a Marine and then Ranger before that. Never saw combat. Then in my 50’s Afghanistan 2 tours with Ga Guard fixing Chinooks and door gunning. Never fired a round outside the test fire box. Always thought I’d be the tip of the spear. Let it go. You are valued.

[@nancycannon9386]

Being a fulltime FF should count as service. You and I have seen and done way more than any 3 or 4 yr veteran. My resume is very similar to yours and I feel that same frustration, except when I was eligible for the military, there were only secretarial and nursing jobs for women and that sucked. I am looking for a ball cap that says veteran FF. lol

[@newwaveboxman8308]

That attitude is necessary in a field where perfection is required. Every single time you go out there you will lose a brother. Do you think you can live up to perfection ? No, nobody can hence the ''Not enough''. People let it take a toll on their mental and internalize it but its just not personal. Toughen up and understand the message. That's how i see it.

[@Pr0jectATLAS]

I’m currently serving as a combat medic, I want to go the SF route but I’m afraid that the lines are too blurred and I won’t actually be doing any good but serving politicians agendas rather than what’s best for my country and the world. I’m coming up on my ets date and I gotta make a choice. Stay in or get out and go law enforcement and try to do a job where I can see the impact

[@punkavaug]

This dude made it all the way to the unit before he woke up and realized that the world isnt angels VS demons. Thats tough, going that deep into your career before picking up on the fact that we’re not the good guys, and that there are no good guys. He worded it well, it takes away that innocence of your view.

[@Rorschach_theghost]

It’s insane to think that because these dudes are super intelligent / high IQ.. in my twenties I knew I didn’t want to join for the exact same reasons he speaks of

[@punkavaug]

@@Rorschach_theghost idealizing something can take you a long way.

[@waingrobro]

don't look that hard into it. Deep down a lot of those tier 1 guys were just kids chasing a dream. Nothing more. @@Rorschach_theghost

[@user-oi5if2bs8r]

You don’t know what your talking about

[@tor4472]

You're not there to be a good guy, it's a job

[@jamescunningham6251]

Best thing about this episode is that everyone in the military can relate to what hes saying to a certain extent.

[@ElRaythespacecowboy]

The hardest thing is I want to go back in and do the SF route. The other part of me has seen the civilian world for a minute, lived a very free life, and knows what the bs of all this is. I find it crazy that I still feeling the gravitational pull towards becoming an elite warrior. Personally think im still seeking for something externally vs going internally.

[@waingrobro]

I'm the same. I am in my mid 30s, in great shape and have done a lot of internal learning and awareness. Im just starting to GET LIFE. I see the bullshit though. Yet, I still want to pick up that phone and sign-up for an 18x route every damn day. I'm just as lost as you brother. These wars are all bullshit. But, still doesn't change the fact that I get trolled on this idea that I am going to become a Green Beret and save some kids and feel complete about my life.

[@sergiomachuca4554]

Nothing wrong with making your body useful and meeting amazing like-minded people. We can all do our share and get out. Don't live with regret, cautiously

[@transcendmovementacademy1919]

Dont buy it man.... if you know freedom the military will crush your soul.... cause you onoow how life COULD be....

[@tylermontoya408]

⁠​⁠@@waingrobroDude, you could not have articulated that any better to match exactly how I’ve felt the last 4 years since getting out of the Army in 2019. The thing is for me, I served in the Reserves for 6 years, picked up E-5, and did some cool training exercises, but man I don’t feel like I really did ANYTHING of service to anyone. I do have that “warrior, hard charging, high caliber” attitude that everyone else in the comments seem to have. Nearly signed an 18 X contract too. The closest I’ve come to filling that indescribable and nebulous gap in my heart of wanting to achieve more is Wildland Fire Fighting. Spent the last year flying on a Sikorsky S-70 Firehawk into fires, but still I yearn to achieve something greater ..

[@waingrobro]

Thanks for the response and your service brother. I feel ya, really do. Only thing that keeps me hesitant on signing up is that I already serve my community as a healthcare professional (ICU RN/Organ Transplant Team). I have a buddy in 5th group, a buddy in 160th as a Helo pilot and a former Combat Marine SAW gunner buddy. They all tell me what I'm doing is great and better for humanity than what they do. Still, I don't believe them at times. It eats away at me good. I want to do it all and furthermore I want that "warrior" training. Ya know the saying, better to be a warrior in a garden etc etc. But, as I watch our government not take care of the military, its so hard to sign that line man. It just seems like a big game and I would be putting myself in a situation where I would be at the will of people who truly don't care for me. Yet, I still want to try. I have been looking into the Airforce Special Warfare or Army NG, even just becoming an infantry guy. Not sure how much I would enjoy that at 36yrs old, being super mature and all, but hey I still ponder the thought every day. @@tylermontoya408

[@jaxik6506]

I think that may be the worst part of the military: when you are competent and physically capable, you get used and abused and made to feel by leaders who may or may not be as capable as you that you aren’t enough and should do more. It’s never enough to just compete with yourself or be content with where you are and for some people, they find their limits the hard way and never recover from it.

[@newwaveboxman8308]

That attitude is necessary in a field where perfection is required. Every single time you go out there you will lose a brother. Do you think you can live up to perfection ? No, nobody can hence the ''Not enough''. People let it take a toll on their mental and internalize it but its just not personal. Toughen up and understand the message.

[@jaxik6506]

@@newwaveboxman8308 don’t take it the wrong way, I like the pressure personally. Has made me achieve things I never imagined I would when I first joined. But too many in todays military don’t take it seriously.

[@kilo.nine.7773]

I’ve only listened to the first 40 seconds of this and I 100% agree with him. As a soldier that had an unusual job in the Army I got to see the war from many angles and the picture it painted was not a good one. We ended up being the bad guys, that’s going to be a hard one to swallow for a lot of combat veterans.

[@DrewishBear]

We know it man, we live the consequences of it

[@Stephen-bq4nq]

The US government lied to their military in Vietnam and they did it again in Iraq. People need to stop trusting the government they don't care about you

[@manofaction1807]

Well said. It was putting it down ,to me, that was the hardest. You see a kid in uniform, and something clicks, and it all comes back. Glad I got out when I did with everything intact, but maybe a few marbles. That was a small price to pay, compared to some.

[@rwdchannel2901]

Special Forces #1 assignment is recruiting. That's why all the movies and video games are centered around Special Forces. Most people who join the Navy wanting to be a Navy SEAL will never make it. They'll end up on a ship doing regular Navy stuff. Even in the other branches the chances of making it into Special Forces or wanting to after making it out of basic training is slim. SF gets more young impressionable adults to sign up and that's what the recruiters love about SF the most.

[@joeblow9657]

Yeah, it's sad how the regular combat arms seem to have been left behind with the emphasis on special operations units. A lot of people don't get that you can be very capable and still not make it because of how few people get selected in proportion to the who try out. Special operations contracts are a way to circumvent lower recruiting numbers for the rest of the US military imo. Then again I think a lot of militaries are making a mistake in their over reliance on special operations forces instead of training at least some of their line units up. It's great until you they get to a point where they lack the capability to be more effective as a larger force. Unless you're going to drop those rejection rates you're going to need line units to do a lot of stuff once you get to wars the scale of Afghanistan or Iraq.

[@bwall615]

This part of the podcast really stuck with me. Great interview.

[@FNGACADEMY]

thanks for watching the full interview!

[@bwall615]

@@FNGACADEMY Absolutely. Thanks for not asking the same questions all the other podcast did.

[@andywagoner4869]

Excellent message. It took me getting out of the military and looking at our foreign policy from a different perspective to really understand what we are doing to the world. But thank you so much for the “I didn’t do enough” message because that is something I often think about. I think we have this comparison disease where we compare ourselves to these awesome and amazing vets we see on the podcasts. Turns out interviewing average joes is not all that entertaining.

[@theblackrifle7824]

These words will forever have changed my life. Thank you buck.

[@wyskass861]

The more I learn about Delta and more generally extremely high end jobs/goals, I realize it by definition requires an unbalanced compulsive to a self destructive degree person, and mission they volunteer for. They deserve all the appreciation and gratitude, but it's an exploitation of someone with no off switch. God bless them, for never experiencing contentment for benefit of rest of us.

[@ce6654]

Forgive me for reference to Cool Runnings, but I think of the conversation between athlete and coach: "I had made winning my whole life. And when you make winning your whole life, you have to keep on winning. Understand?" "No, I don't understand. You had everything. You had it all." "That gold medal is a wonderful thing. But if you're not enough without it, you'll never be enough with it."

[@davidowens1424]

Thank you. I needed to hear this. Was never SF but your message is applicable to a lot of vets.

[@jimbo_dilly1675]

My way of thinking has always been in the gray instead of black & white. It's one of the reason I got out of the military. The military tends to try and make people think less. If I could go back and do it all again, I'd have never gone in and would have gone to college a lot sooner to get my degree in engineering.

[@risefromtheashes6623]

There's so much inspiration and down-to-earth words of wisdom from these Delta guys.

[@Wh1stle_03]

It’s sort of like asking who was the smartest person in history? Most people will say Albert Einstein or other scientists and philosophers, but in all likelihood it was probably some random person from a country you’ve never heard of that lived a normal and simple life. There are guys that will never get close to the unit and similar in the way that genius never got their opportunity to change the world with their mind, will never get their opportunity to show that they have what it takes to walk among the greatest warriors on the planet. Just my two cents as a non special grunt.

[@narc440]

I've thought about something similar to this, about how some of the best athletes in the world could just be living a normal life because they never got their chance or they simply didn't have the interest.

[@jasonwilliams4159]

Even Tom Brady wanted to do more, way beyond the 2nd best player .

[@jhonrutger3508]

I was just regular military (a nothing special sailor). I have mixed feelings about being in the military I had a pretty decent support system at home that's still helping me fix myself you have to have a good support system that sees issues you may not know you have I just started getting help after 11 years because I thought I was fine until my friends and finally stepped in and said I wasn't. I was hurt, but I didn't even know. It was really really hard to finally allow myself to tap out because I felt like when I did I gave up.

[@edwardbermudez6299]

We are all pawns!

[@UCzDwella201]

Guys these whole speech is for everyone. I remembered a recruiter that looks for people for SO candidates came to a clinic I worked me and asked me if I wanted to be different. I respectfully replied I am different, I’m proud being in the conventional force. And in that moment I thought of all the guys and girls I worked with in the conventional forces who’s been to these combat zones and feeling proud that I worked with such people. I am enough. That self love is something we can all work on.

[@Ranger15893bn]

I appreciate the candor, it's straight up truth. My body is beat up but I would do it again without question. My neighbor has a son that thinks he wants to be a SEAL or SF; he sent him down to talk to me because of my background. I gave it to him straight and said you have to make your own decision. I can ask you questions, but don't ask me what you should do, I said I don't know what you should do, I can tell what I chose for me but it may or may not be for you. You have to figure that out for yourself.

[@pedropepin]

Everyone joining will have a different experience, my experience was no different than high school or my civilian work environment, tribalism at its best. The only unit i was a part of was Group in a supportive capacity. I had good times and bad the one thing everyone in the service has is sacrifice. Sacrifice of a personal life and a healthy family life It’s not for everyone you need to have a strong constitution to be in a first response unit The best candidate for SF is an orphan he would not be distracted with anything in the rear. Just in a opinion from my experience . The other opinion is that everyone should serve at least 2 years (mandatory)

[@WoWDontu]

The medical retirement was the worst thing that happened to my career. I had so many things I wanted to do.

[@gatsby5555]

This is way more thoughtful and introspective than would have expected.

[@Dalpha64]

Tyler Grey has become N inspiration for me since watching him in 3-4 podcast. His humble way and the way he is thinking deep and can explain it. Im coming from a hard criminal world but left 20 years ago and been lucky to make a ordinary life but I have to say what I miss more then anything is the brotherhood and I can imagine this guys feeling the same but in a much bigger way

[@johnmorganjr769]

OIF 2 guy here. I understand completely. 19 years later ,Im replaying 'woulda, coulda, shoulda'. Its maddening, but hey were still here !! 🇺🇸

[@JB-uw5yh]

Great wisdom! Ive been in that place,, military and law enforcement. Getting to that next level can destroy other parts of you and your life! You get to the top of the mountain and look down , whats around you? There is always an "opportunity cost" with any success, you gotta be good with the cost. Some never understand that. The guy who stayed in 40years, accomplished a lot, but still "not enough". What did he miss out on in other places in life/ Good book, emotional survival for law enforcement, there is a concept, "dont get over invested". There are different phases of life, enjoy them all, if you can let yourself that is. Thank you for such an honest and brave "black sheep" view of reality.

[@Mastermindyoung14]

It's a sign of aging and gaining wisdom. This is why you listen to the old folks. YOU WILL BE the old folks that society's youth will come to for advice...advice that you cannot ascertain on tiktok or facebook

[@Alkp3k]

This brought tears to my eyes with what I have been struggling with. God thank you brothers.

[@damianclark3564]

I liked his thoughts. This a philosophical man who thinks beyond the conventional paradigm of ones environment. Highly intuitive- his observations about what defines the measure of man highlight wisdom. I’ve met people like that, not military people, but very thoughtful ones. I wonder if that was why he was the black sheep. Makes him a stand out in my book

[@gibrigg]

Good stuff. Thanks for letting us listen in.

[@devinmansanarez3260]

As a basic Stryker boi who wanted to do it all but didn’t get to do much, this helps. This is a giant among men.

[@Paprikawastaken]

Man, I would love to have a conversation with a dude like Tyler. I'm 27, and left the service in February and I am struggling right now with everything they talked about. I just left the Army in February, wasn't SOF or nothing but have friends and worked with a few organizations from the community during a deployment or two. I'm 27, the reason I left is for my family, and I just feel horribly unsatisfied with my career. Like I didn't even try to go to selection or anything like that, just became content with my service. Now that I'm out, all I can think about is how bad I fucked up not doing it and that I need to go back and fulfill that obligation to myself. A wrong decision no matter what I do.

[@ericte2400]

Basically he is saying once you are in, it is normal stuff that you train for and do. Then after a while, it starts changing alot, doing very questionable things by and for the government and other agencies/departments. You know what I mean!! It gets hazy, dangerous and and concerning, makes you question yourself.

[@mkb4448]

It’s never enough! That is so true! You can be the cream of the crop and it will only open your eyes to something you never heard of that’s another goal! Then once you are there you’ll find something else that you “ need”.

[@ckilburnuf]

Shit hit home for me, definitely felt like I should have taken the long walk but never felt like I had what they needed. His message goes beyond the service too, with family, as a husband, you just never feel like you're enough. Gonna be dealing with that for life..

[@21AttackMac]

What you guys are talking about applies to just about every facet of life.

[@chuckstercam]

As a 10.5 year US Army Vet who wasnt in the combat arms at all, I was Ordnance, and even I dont feel like I was enough or did enough. I know these guys feel it on another level. I dont even like telling people I served to be honest because I dont feel as if I contributed anything to the cause or to the country. I wish I had cool stories, deployments, or memorable moments to tell, but I dont. It eats at me all the time to be honest, so for guys who were at the tip of the spear to feel it, is somewhat comforting, but still makes me feel like a gave a decade of service for nothing.

[@AdoreYouInAshXI]

Nah man, don't say you did it for nothing. If anything you did it for yourself, and you served. That's all that matters on a personal level. I know the feeling of wanting to be able to tell those stories to friends, and to feel like you were the badass soldier you envisioned wanting to be when you first talked to the recruiter but no matter what you would have ended up doing, you'd still feel like you wanted more up until the point you realized you either had too much, and that's a point of no return, or you ended up dead or disabled in a way that you wished you were dead. Anyone who puts in 10 years in any way should be proud of themselves, don't ever be afraid to tell others you gave the military 10 years of your life because regardless of what you did, anyone that's worth their salt will appreciate you.

[@Esch_atton]

Powerful stuff. Theres a lot of men, some not even in the military, that needed to hear this.

[@5477pann]

Combat and the environment of preparing for combat, the optempo and the go go go is addicting. It hits dopamine levels that when a lot of veterans get out try to fill that dopamine with high risk activites and or drugs and when thats not enough then death feels like the only option, but God is there always has been just have to find him

[@odgreen5655]

There is definitely some chemical dependency in it

[@ColKurtzknew]

Though relatively brief this was a very informative discussion. Excellent job by the host.

[@scienceMicroguy77]

That makes me feel better. Knowing that at every level is not enough.

[@wingoreviewsboxingandmma3667]

Finally set get an interview wth a Delta Force Operator.

[@Of_Your_Volition]

Don’t trust your recruiter? Isn’t that common knowledge at this point there’s a reason for the recruitment shortage

[@williamwashington6735]

I can't get the "want of the fight" out of my mind.

[@josephabraham4058]

I’ll take an answer from the author or the SF community: If, after learning that we are not the wizards of honor and valor that we have all heard - why not embrace what it is we are, and push past it? Embrace it like a warm blanket. SGT. 11B. OEF/OND.

[@justinmaguire169]

New video dropped let's goooo

[@Spiederia]

Great job! I feel similar as a medically retired fed agent and former uniform officer. You will carry the weight of the job forever.

[@jthuff5102]

ironically I always felt like I could have made easily through any military training so I never even tried. maybe not feeling good enough is a gift because it pushes you forward

[@RahimLadhajuma]

Always great when you have Tyler one! Always the best content Sean! 🤙🏼🇺🇲🧠 Definitely interesting perspectives!

[@bt8469]

I tell people two things and in this order and it's basically the same as what the guy in the OP said: #1: Don't do it, the juice ain't worth the squeeze. #2: I would 100% do it all over again as more than a few days go by where I miss it and long for it.

[@joeblow9657]

As a civilian who's never been in the military, let me tell you this doesn't just apply to the military, it applies to any job or institution in life. A lot of places want you think you to think that's what matters because that's how they get more from you without giving you more. As the old cliche goes, "a bad day at the golf course is better than a good day at work", you can and should meaningfully challenge yourself outside of your job.

[@Jonathana0608]

Damn this speaks volumes… probably the greatest clip of all time for this topic

[@jackhammer363]

Great video I appreciate your guys’ candid discussion.

[@smartsalmon1]

I needed to hear pretty much all of this.

[@timoneil3869]

In this day and age? At this point in our Country, with how our Government has proven to be over these years? I wouldn't tell any young man to join this military. Train yourself and with friends.

[@under651bridge]

Great discussion! Would love to see you interview Dale Comstock!

[@NoaNoir]

He's right. Its a relation to a specific skill set, it doesn't define you as a human being.

[@WilhelmR19]

Man, I needed to hear the second part of that for sure.

[@stevenvia2452]

wow... very honest and valuable statements.... thanks for sharing this