Review | Late War Leviathans (hardback) - FW276 | Flames of War

[@batesmt25]

Wow. Some very cool items: BTR-152, German tracked APC, anti-tank guided missiles, Saracen, Saladin, and recoilless rifles. A great mix of late 1940s, what ifs, and 1950s equipment. I will definitely be purchasing many items.

[@spamuraigranatabru1149]

Those extra options have really made me wonder what will come next, it basically garantees we're getting early cold war.

[@FogofWar]

Yeah. They have kits for Conqueror and other cold war stuff that isn’t covered by this release. I think it’s likely they will come for Flames or TY.

[@jsma9999]

OMG that could put units into Team Yankee so into 1980's

[@FogofWar]

It is all joining up, isn’t it. But where’s my Conqueror?

[@gadget19k76]

I’m looking forward to almost everything. I think this book will be a fun addition to my FoW and Team Yankee game rotation.

[@FogofWar]

There's a lot of fun stuff here.

[@trekanbelluvitsh]

Some silly stuff, some stuff gives us a sneak peak about what's to come in "early war" Team Yankee.

[@FogofWar]

I think everyone will have to decide to suspend their disbelief to enjoy some of the paper panzers. But fantasy German stuff is always popular and sells well. Interesting to see if it becomes a big seller.

[@trekanbelluvitsh]

@@FogofWar "Silly Stuff" wasn't a negative commentary. 😉

[@Based_Lord_Humongous]

Welp, it looks like Flames of Yankee is back on the menu!

[@FogofWar]

It is getting that way! Brink on Checkpoint Charlie.

[@Based_Lord_Humongous]

@@FogofWar Soon™️

[@dm51964]

I love it and looking forward to seeing what plastic kits appear

[@FogofWar]

Exciting options!

[@Hedgehobbit]

I had a toy for that US jeep with a recoilless rifle when I was a kid. It was for GIjOE and it had a really powerful spring and could shoot a bullet about 20 feet. Great fun in the backyard. Not sure if that toy ever managed to reach the UK for Action Man.

[@FogofWar]

Pew! Sounds like fun.

[@SolidCat]

I know there’s a lot of people that don’t like this at all but personally I find it a bit of fun. Clash of steel has been an excellent system so far and this has potential to drag new players from that into flames. Reading the moaning boomers on Facebook has been quite funny

[@FogofWar]

I knew this release would be divisive. Some people don’t want any World of Tanks in their World War 2. And that’s OK. But it is here, and will appeal to some. (PS: I’m definitely a Boomer…)

[@SolidCat]

@@FogofWar the problem that I see is that a lot people that moan about this will cry about historical accuracy but go to a tournament with a German list containing more half tracks than they ever built and won’t bat an eye. It’s a bit silly. I do think it’s quite clear that this book isn’t meant to show up in something like warfare or nationals events.

[@gadget19k76]

@@SolidCathad a similar discussion with a guy at my local game store that got hissy about a bolt action game happening where it was Brit’s vs USA. It a game, if those that are strictly for history don’t like it they can go read a book. The whole point of games like this are to play “what if’s”, sure you can recreate actual battles but it’s fun to try to see how things might have been different as well.

[@Hedgehobbit]

I don't see why people don't make the same complaints about Team Yankee. That entire game is 100% fantasy.

[@SolidCat]

@@gadget19k76 just tell them it’s a training exercise / wargames. If they have a problem with that then don’t bother speaking to them as you’d be wasting breath

[@ВасилийБочаров-и4о]

Hello! Please tell me when the model of the Soviet T-10M tank will go on sale???

[@FogofWar]

Hi there! Unfortunately I have no idea. Battlefront haven’t said exactly. But it should be this year or early next.

[@ВасилийБочаров-и4о]

Fine. Understood. I’ve just been waiting for this model for a very long time... Once upon a time, Facebook allowed me to directly ask Peter about new products, but for two years now it has not worked in our country... Therefore, I receive information very rarely...

[@TheLastSterling1304]

While it woud have been superfluous, it would have been a nice "historical" option for a towed 32-pdr gun aka the tortoise's gun. One prototype was tested.

[@FogofWar]

Yeah. A fun option, but I think they want to keep it mobile. But the Russians do get the 100mm gun. But was that already an existing unit in FoW?

[@Ben-of-old-Yorkshire]

I've got a quick question about the book - I'm tempted by this period, but avoided clash of steel for a quite specific reason. The gap between British, German and American armour and anti-tank on one side, and soviet on the other, was far wider than the source material suggested, and a lot of soviet material simply couldn't realistically stop or penetrate enemy armour. Is this less bad in LW: Leviathans?

[@FogofWar]

I haven't looked that closely, but I can't see the balance being any different between the two games. It's the same team working on the mechanics. I feel your pain though. The Soviets suffer from "real tank" syndrome - their stuff was generally put into service, whereas the fantasy stuff is a guesstimate of performance based on limited numbers, napkin sketches and wishful thinking. Certainly the German stuff is very heroic. I was happy to see the Malkara missile for the brits on the Hornet - then realised it couldn't scratch Maus or E-100.

[@e_aerin]

New world if tanks miniatures leaks shows that we are gonna get American t57 And the fv215b As well as already released battefront miniatures, like t44, and leapord 1

[@FogofWar]

Yeah. I’m very excited for all of these.

[@NCR_Ranger_7718]

With the release of saracen and saladin wonder if theyll do some different british infantry for the 60s

[@FogofWar]

Probably not - but it would be interesting.

[@lesp1964]

Will the the M28 or M29 Davy Crockett Weapon System be added ? 😁

[@FogofWar]

It's not in the book, but BF don't tell me their secrets. It would certainly be a game-changer!

[@lesp1964]

@@FogofWar Yep fire it on turn 1, everything on the table is destroyed , game over . 😈

[@SmokedPeasant]

While I'm excited to finally have some American T34 tanks and a couple of doom turtles from the clash of steel box, (and I put the whole box together in a day) I am disappointed the book lacks rules for Churchill Black Princes. Hopefully I can at least get a unit card later down the line for my trio of Churchill BPs from Forged in Battle.

[@FogofWar]

Who knows if you might get a plastic kit one of these days...

[@kayjay7780]

good luck finding cards

[@FogofWar]

There are card packs available. From the look of sales volume, my local supplier might have stocks for a while…

[@KaminStalker]

I'm really excited for the Kätzchen, even though i think it will be an upgrade sprue for the Jagdpanzer 38. At the end of the war the Pz 38(t) chassis was only used for support activities so it makes sense that "post"-war the production facilities would be retooled for the APC variant. And please just call it kitten or kitty. The letter combinationation "tzch" is really not designed for non-natives 😅

[@FogofWar]

Sorry for my pronunciation! Not sure the Kätzchen will be Pz 38(t) based. It might be the earlier prototype one with the overlapping roadwheels. By MTW? Not sure. Once again - sorry for my German pronunciation.

[@KaminStalker]

@@FogofWar no need to be sorry for pronounciation - you wouldn't feel offended or similar if somebody misspronounced an english word either. But: 1. you already pronounce Tiger, Panther, Mouse,.. in english 2. Kitten sounds way more adorable than Kätzchen

[@Hedgehobbit]

I'm disappointed that the book doesn't have any new infantry formation, such as US assault troops armed with M2 carbines (or M14s) or the German Type 45 Infantry Division with longer ranged panzerfausts.

[@FogofWar]

The Panzersturm infantry get the Panzerfaust 250. That has better punch and an 8-inch range.

[@ThatSupportTho]

good vid my first wargame was WoT but than moved right in to warhammer 9th than in to 10th. but now dipping a hair in to other games, the bumps i run into (1) just warhammer ware i am. (2) WoT is to thine and FoW to thick with different books for the same team. I'm hoping to get people in to clash of steal it looks like a nice in between. (3) the must be 100% accurate felling is a turn of for some of the players that i did test games with for FoW.

[@FogofWar]

Sounds like you might be the target audience for Clash of Steel. Good luck with that!

[@Mdhneo007]

Had most of this 3d printed, now I can get official kits 😂

[@FogofWar]

Yeah. It will be nice to see some of the kits in injection-moulded plastic.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

No super hellcats? It's the easiest model of all of the us stuff (save the m26) to make. It's litterally just a hellcat with a Jackson turret.

[@FogofWar]

Easy to kit bash then. I made form M36B2s that way by combining Jackson turrets on M4A3 hulls.

[@spamuraigranatabru1149]

Can't lie, not too interested in the paper stuff but seeing how I would do against some IS-3/T-44s or maybe even centurions is up my alley for my Sherman force.

[@FogofWar]

Yeah. Charioteer is a big draw for me. And Hornet: until I realised Malkara can’t penetrate Maus and E-100.

[@spamuraigranatabru1149]

@@FogofWar I sure hope some form of table top game set in the early cold war which gives us access to these wonderful ATGMs and late war vehicles without this Duetchland nonsense. Luckily for me at least, it would mean I can use my existing army of US armoured and maybe justify spending to get to the team yankee timeline. My plans for a T-64 force fell through a while ago sadly, much as I love cold war ussr (and hate ww2 ussr) stuff.

[@aaronsomerville2124]

Looks like absolute rubbish.

[@FogofWar]

I’m guessing your comment refers to the setting and timelines rather than the overall layout and quality of the book, as I said, LWL won’t appeal to everyone, and that’s OK.

[@aaronsomerville2124]

@@FogofWar I'm sure the physical artifact is quality as always, and the clarity and presentation of the video review were excellent.