Minisode - React World

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Folding Ideas

Folding Ideas

Күн бұрын

Written and performed by Dan Olson
Twitter: @FoldableHuman - / foldablehuman
UPDATE
React World has been scuttled - medium.com/@Fi...
Archive of the React World FAQ - imgur.com/xosqEa0

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@JimSterling
@JimSterling 8 жыл бұрын
Gotta agree this is the best summary of the whole racket.
@Snowfire6916
@Snowfire6916 8 жыл бұрын
+Jim Sterling So speaketh Jim Fucking Sterling Son.
@npalsensei
@npalsensei 8 жыл бұрын
+Snowfire Thank God for him.
@sharpygsxr
@sharpygsxr 8 жыл бұрын
+Jim Sterling Led here from twitter, hes speaks the truth hes Jim fucking Sterling son!
@Ianformed
@Ianformed 8 жыл бұрын
+Jim Sterling He's missing the point that Fine Bros. can't seem to portray. It's all about DMCA. Question for you Jim. How long have you been on youtube? I've been here late 2007. :) P.S. *sarcasm* I'm looking to trademark Ianformed just to mess up Ian Hecox. lol
@Doctorolivercook
@Doctorolivercook 8 жыл бұрын
+Jim Sterling It certainly is a pretty cohesive, clear, concise summary. And the Fail Bros? They really are failing. And thank you for bringing up this explanation Jim, and God? I thank you... for Jim Fucking Sterling, Son.
@SovietWomble
@SovietWomble 5 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video man. I'm quickly becoming obsessed with your channel.
@rafaelmarkos4489
@rafaelmarkos4489 4 жыл бұрын
Wait, Womble is here? What is this, a crossover episode?
@j.lucasdecastroaraujo761
@j.lucasdecastroaraujo761 4 жыл бұрын
@@rafaelmarkos4489 Jim Sterling, SovietWomble, LilDeuceDeuce, Gaming Historian. Folding Ideas attracts great channels.
@moredetonation3755
@moredetonation3755 4 жыл бұрын
This is how the left wins Jeremy
@Jack-Corvus
@Jack-Corvus 3 жыл бұрын
Fast forward a bit now Womble has made some 5 (Soviet) star video essays.
@cooberr
@cooberr 3 жыл бұрын
based
@TahJakester
@TahJakester 8 жыл бұрын
"Congratulations, that's racketeering." Now that I think about it, the whole REACT WORLD concept definitely falls into the realm of "protection" offered by mob bosses.
@gelatinocyte6270
@gelatinocyte6270 3 жыл бұрын
REACT RACKETEERING
@LilDeuceDeuce
@LilDeuceDeuce 8 жыл бұрын
Your discussion around 5:55 onward of how Fine Bros are muddling business relationships & creator-fan relationships is spot on. The only positive comments in the first React World announcement video were fans saying things like "Wow I'm11 can I still take part in this!??" I'm not saying it's impossible for an 11 year old to make good content. But in theory the only reason you'd want to buy into React World brand identity--both as a content 'consumer' and as a content creator--is because it provides some guarantee of consistency/quality. This is like Burger King handing out BK logos to every kid with a lemonade stand. I've read a lot of outraged takes on the React World situation but I really have to commend you because this is one of the most well thought-out I've seen.
@SirSpamaIot
@SirSpamaIot 8 жыл бұрын
+LilDeuceDeuce But their own website says that they are not going to let you use their brands or logos, even if you requisition a license, so comparison to franchising is N/A.
@duanedevils
@duanedevils 8 жыл бұрын
+Sir Spamalot Which leads to the question of why would someone want to be a part of this then? Their logos and brand are probably the only things that would get people to join up considering the built in audience that entails.
@JustRelaxingBeats
@JustRelaxingBeats 8 жыл бұрын
+LilDeuceDeuce "This is like Burger King handing out BK logos to every kid with a lemonade stand" This is like Burger King handing out BK logos to every kid with a burger stand and taking half of their money because they can say it's Burger King.
@LilDeuceDeuce
@LilDeuceDeuce 8 жыл бұрын
+Sir Spamalot I'm basing it on this FAQ on their website that says they'll give you access to their logos/branding/animation intro packages: www.finebrosent.com/reactworldfaq/
@Crusader1089
@Crusader1089 8 жыл бұрын
+LilDeuceDeuce When looking at the comments I wasn't expecting to see Lildeucedeuce. I have no further comment, it's just nice to see the bigger youtubers behaving like normal youtubers.
@Harbinger_CR
@Harbinger_CR 8 жыл бұрын
I like this guy, he actually explained it well in detail instead of screaming in anger for 10mins about how angry he is about the Finebros like most people.
@hellenjane
@hellenjane 8 жыл бұрын
That's the best explanation I ever heard of so far.
@peter69aolcom91
@peter69aolcom91 8 жыл бұрын
+hellenjane (Gabatha Productions) Definitely, this guy is pretty smart. Worth a sub.
@FraustDogger
@FraustDogger 8 жыл бұрын
+hellenjane (Gabatha Productions) Too bad ratings are disabled for his videos. It is going to keep a lot of people from investing in a 10min video. It doesn't make any sense to me, I think he does a great job and doesn't have any reason to worry about dislikes. EDIT: Now he has likes/dislikes enabled which is great. It lets people know the video has support before they invest time into it and it gives him the praise he deserves for making good videos. Thumbs up from me.
@Zennistrad1
@Zennistrad1 8 жыл бұрын
+Fraust Dogger He's attracted a few dedicated trolls due to some of the more contriversial things he's said.
@peter69aolcom91
@peter69aolcom91 8 жыл бұрын
Fraust Dogger as a guy who's been downvoted to death in everything I've ever done, I'd tell him to just embrace it and do his own thing.
@analukatmj
@analukatmj 8 жыл бұрын
+hellenjane (Gabatha Productions) Let's share that please
@GamingHistorian
@GamingHistorian 8 жыл бұрын
Excellent summary of the issues, thank you for making this.
@booradley3400
@booradley3400 8 жыл бұрын
Finally, a guy in a beanie I can trust.
@landfish7a
@landfish7a 8 жыл бұрын
+johnny3400 He kinda looks like a fusion of the brothers, but less... homely.
@booradley3400
@booradley3400 8 жыл бұрын
+Andrew Fish (Werdnae) yeah, kinda like they had a kid that grew up to hate it's fathers.
@MrPedromuriel
@MrPedromuriel 8 жыл бұрын
Hey, what about Ethan from h3h3?
@booradley3400
@booradley3400 8 жыл бұрын
+Pedor oh yeah! How could I forget?! But yes, him too. Papa bless!
@tranceaddict11
@tranceaddict11 8 жыл бұрын
+Pedor The real beanie master
@camiblack1
@camiblack1 3 жыл бұрын
To give some context, this was relevant in 2016 when the Fine Brothers made their announcement. I think Dan forgot something about it. It was the last gasp of the attempts at a multi-tuber thing (Think That Guy with the Glasses/Channel Awesome, Normal Boots, and such) and had already come after just about all of those were either failing (thanks to your support from Patreon) or had long since faded into irrelevancy (the two that spun off from TGWTG, everything NB produced except the Grumps). It was out and out crowdsourcing content, at a time when the whole idea was literally dying. we didn't know it in 2016, but the whole thing they were banking on was only about 6 months from being buried, but if we had paid attention we would have seen it coming with things like the main source for Channel Awesome being nothing more than an over glorified aggregation site. All in all, like their capitalizing on react videos, they were too little, too blunt, and too late.
@DavidDagninoV
@DavidDagninoV 7 жыл бұрын
Being originally from Venezuela I have the perfect example of the real world of what you are saying by "actually not protecting it". In Venezuela it is common to park on the street because there are no parkimeters and there are not enough private parking lots. So far this is just like a regular non-downtown street on any city. The problem is that the minute you park your car some guy will touch your windows and ask you for money for he to protect your car. If you pay him ( and it is like ten times the money you would pay in a private parking) then you are free from thugs opening your car. If you don't pay him then his very own gang will crush your windows, scratch the paint job and steal your stereo. Sometimes even the tires, as tires are Really Expensive in Venezuela. When you return, you will see the guy sitting in his chair next to your car and he will then unapologetically tell you you have it deserved because you didn't pay him to "protect" his car. And the police will never step into this because the parking spaces on street are gang-controlled and they in raw number are more people than police officers. So you have to either pay the guy YOU KNOW is a gang members to "protect your car" meaning he will not rob you or be sure you will probably not have a car to return to.
@riley8385
@riley8385 4 жыл бұрын
I know this is a very old comment, but I just wanted to tell you that exact same thing happens in Argentina, and the police doesn't intervene because the gangs likely either work for the police or bribe them.
@iusethisnameformygoogleacc1013
@iusethisnameformygoogleacc1013 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, that's exactly what he compared it to. The technical word for that kind of protection scheme (most stereotypically seen with gangs and small businesses which will be smashed up if they fail to pay 'protection' money) along with everything else in the same general category is Racketeering.
@BrotherAlpha
@BrotherAlpha 8 жыл бұрын
There should be a penalty paid if you do a false DMCA claim. That would end a whole lot of the problems.
@AislinnBMln
@AislinnBMln 8 жыл бұрын
+BrotherAlpha While there aren't penalties for false DMCA claims on copyright grounds, the DMCA does *not* cover trademark claims - and what Fine Bros filed for is a trademark, not a copyright. In fact, if they use the DMCA claim system to attempt copyright takedowns based on the React trademark, they are opening themselves to significant penalties.
@BrotherAlpha
@BrotherAlpha 8 жыл бұрын
AislinnBMln "...the DMCA does not cover trademark claims..." Right. My mistake. In my defense, this system is really complicated.
@AislinnBMln
@AislinnBMln 8 жыл бұрын
+BrotherAlpha Honestly, that's a valid defense. The DMCA itself is a lumbering mess, and with almost two decades of legal precedents, case law, and so on, it's very easy to get confused and lost.
@antivanti
@antivanti 8 жыл бұрын
+AislinnBMln But what about the system KZbin have implemented to facilitate the DMCA claims? Can trademark owners use it to flag things? I suspect that it can be because it seems to be VERY flawed and badly automated. And if so the legal difference may be there but the practical difference might not be. I don't know enough about the KZbin implementation to say for sure though.
@CloudSato
@CloudSato 8 жыл бұрын
+Anders Öhlund With how KZbin's acting right now, I wouldn't be shocked if a US D.A. was starting or is putting together a RICO case right now.
@WelsknightGaming
@WelsknightGaming 8 жыл бұрын
Well-informed and level-headed. Good job.
@ilexdiapason
@ilexdiapason 2 жыл бұрын
hermit spotted in the wild through time and space :O
@pablovicentedotcom
@pablovicentedotcom 8 жыл бұрын
Finally a 'drama free' explanation, thanks.
@Triggerhappytel
@Triggerhappytel 8 жыл бұрын
This video is so great. You explain the issues clearly and succinctly, and I love that your number of subscribers has tripled in the wake of it.
@JohnDRuddyMannyMan
@JohnDRuddyMannyMan 4 жыл бұрын
This is an excellent video!
@caramelldansen2204
@caramelldansen2204 3 жыл бұрын
why would you watch this 5 years after it's relevant? lol
@lizardlegend42
@lizardlegend42 3 жыл бұрын
@@caramelldansen2204 why wouldn't you?
@mariar.f.1686
@mariar.f.1686 2 жыл бұрын
@@caramelldansen2204 Because it is an excellent video.
@Zelmarked
@Zelmarked 8 жыл бұрын
Saddest part of this is we have to defend people who make reaction videos.
@Lemmy_Kilturtle
@Lemmy_Kilturtle 8 жыл бұрын
+69Zelmarked69 Haha that's what I've been thinking. Still, what the bros are doing is too shady to let slip, even if we have to defend those weird reaction video making people.
@Lemmy_Kilturtle
@Lemmy_Kilturtle 8 жыл бұрын
+69Zelmarked69 Haha that's what I've been thinking. Still, what the bros are doing is too shady to let slip, even if we have to defend those weird reaction video making people.
@tiseenderwelke
@tiseenderwelke 8 жыл бұрын
+69Zelmarked69 its all for the greater cause (or how u say that i am not english native) mate but i understand you completly :)
@Cambuscuscubed
@Cambuscuscubed 7 жыл бұрын
I took off my headphones for a minute to answer my phone and when I put them back on all I heard was: "Given the Two Girls One Cup example I already mentioned." 10/10
@darkojan14
@darkojan14 4 жыл бұрын
I WANNA GO BACK AT THIS SCANDAL IM TIRED OF FASCISTS
@jamieheron9252
@jamieheron9252 2 жыл бұрын
2022: hold my beer
@ng.tr.s.p.1254
@ng.tr.s.p.1254 2 жыл бұрын
Cryptobros: hold my speculative monkey jpeg
@apollohermano8501
@apollohermano8501 2 жыл бұрын
@@Norcat10 the Republicans (and the dems through a technicality)
@shinyumbreon696
@shinyumbreon696 6 жыл бұрын
Dan, you seriously make the best KZbin drama videos--mostly because you remove all the drama and just explain what's going on and why. Thanks!
@paradoxacres1063
@paradoxacres1063 8 жыл бұрын
*Amazing* video. I think most of us watching definitely learned a thing or two about the nature of this business. Well done, Foldable.
@RGVZGM
@RGVZGM 8 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate that you're wearing the beard, the glasses and the hat. Way to take all of their personal facial branding!
@TheKangarooBeard
@TheKangarooBeard 8 жыл бұрын
Most in depth and insightful video done so far about React World, really enjoyed the video.
@TrixFarrar
@TrixFarrar 8 жыл бұрын
This is, by far, the most reasoned and well thought out explanation of this whole fiasco that I've seen, so far. Thank you very much for taking the time to calmly explain the difference between concept, format and brand. Not that it matters, but I think that you and I basically arrived at the same place -- but you're much more eloquent about it. I can't thank you enough.
@ThePromisedWLAN
@ThePromisedWLAN 8 жыл бұрын
0:42 They *HAD* 14 million subscribers.
@VaporDragon1
@VaporDragon1 8 жыл бұрын
+ThePromisedWLAN yep i agree they HAD 14 million subscribers
@michealcroes3377
@michealcroes3377 8 жыл бұрын
+JoyfullJuneBug they lost 447634 as of feb the fifth and are still losing subs.
@GANTZ100pts
@GANTZ100pts 8 жыл бұрын
+Michael Croes And its still going down. Not as fast as a few days ago, but still going down. im also wondering how many of the subs they have are from dead accounts. IE: People that lost there password and just made a new account then resubscribed on the new one. Or dont go to youtube anymore.
@BlumenCT
@BlumenCT 8 жыл бұрын
Sadly it's back past 14 million, but the hit was still enormous. If World never happened, they could have been at 15 or 15 and a half by this point in time. Their sister channels see surprisingly few subs though, especially since REACT has a lot of their better content.
@faustokruze6942
@faustokruze6942 8 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure React World was cancelled. That's why. www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/43sjmj/the_fine_brothers_announce_cancellation_of_react/
@KieranJB
@KieranJB 8 жыл бұрын
After so much blind outrage, this is such an informative and well-informed video. Really useful stuff, thanks!
@AquarNL
@AquarNL 8 жыл бұрын
So far the one good thing that came about the whole Finebro's fiasco is that I've found allot of smaller KZbin channels such as yours that i found very interesting and made me want to subscribe to them such as yours. Keep up the good work i thoroughly enjoyed this, very informative.
@troberts1
@troberts1 8 жыл бұрын
As many others have said, this is the best explanation I've seen. It sums up perfectly how React World would have benefited no one except the Fine Bros.
@FoolyCoolyBlackLagoony
@FoolyCoolyBlackLagoony 8 жыл бұрын
Punished Dan, a hero denied of his foldable human.
@Skux720
@Skux720 8 жыл бұрын
"They have 14 million subscribers" Not anymore lol
@lemeres2478
@lemeres2478 8 жыл бұрын
+Skux720 Hey, the 14 bit is right. There just isn't any 0's after it anymore.
@BullrockMcHammergeil
@BullrockMcHammergeil 8 жыл бұрын
13,901,067 as of this second
@itsFiftyy
@itsFiftyy 8 жыл бұрын
+BullrockMcHammergeil :]
@desertraven
@desertraven 8 жыл бұрын
+Skux720 "Not anymore lol" Yeah... because 13.9 is such a huge dip.
@fogas12
@fogas12 8 жыл бұрын
desertraven they've lost 200k in a day, if this carries on a huge amount of their subscriber will be gone
@Dracus64
@Dracus64 8 жыл бұрын
Absolutely fantastic. Most in-depth video I've seen explaining the whole debacle.
@noahparker8975
@noahparker8975 8 жыл бұрын
the unevenness of his beard is what gets me but other then that it's a solid video that explains the topic quite well
@nZero1994
@nZero1994 8 жыл бұрын
This is excellent, spectacullar and pristine explanation from a person that understands something so deeply he can deconstruct it and thoroughly explain it to others without missing a single comma of a situation. Amazing...
@BrisCassa
@BrisCassa 8 жыл бұрын
Reacteering? Fascinating stuff, and interesting vid.
@SASSweetassin
@SASSweetassin 8 жыл бұрын
You, my good sir, are brilliant. This is definitely one of the most informative video on the subject Ive seen so far. Very intelligent commentary - something refreshing to find on youtube.
@CazTheGamerGuy
@CazTheGamerGuy 8 жыл бұрын
Fantastic analysis of this arse-pull that is React World. One could say it was... Fine. Bro.
@SamuelFister
@SamuelFister 8 жыл бұрын
This is spelled out so well! You did an awesome job discussing this, and I agree with you 100%. You can't brand a concept. It'd be like Cartoon Network trying to claim the rights to " being station that plays cartoons". They can certainly license the specific shows and presentation format, but they aren't going to stop Nickelodean or Warner Brothers from playing cartoons. Well done sir! I applaud your intelligence and insight!
@nathanhuff9606
@nathanhuff9606 7 жыл бұрын
This is one of the best channels on this website. I learn so much from watching you. I feel like I gain something from watching your videos. To me that is what makes a good channel.
@sandrin0
@sandrin0 2 жыл бұрын
Man, remember when this was a thing that was happening? Nuts
@MPLoura
@MPLoura 2 жыл бұрын
I feel so old.
@ergzaynone4499
@ergzaynone4499 8 жыл бұрын
That was an awesome breakdown. I've been following this for a while but my background isn't in Licensing/Brands/etc it's in Science and Engineering. This really layed out what's going to be happening here.
@abraxaspreuler1549
@abraxaspreuler1549 8 жыл бұрын
Of all the videos I have seen as a reaction to the Fine Brothers story this here has hit all marks:It has an apropiate tone,It lays out all facts in a best to neutral wayIt is thinking throuh the consequences of the issues at handIt is presented in an enjoyable and entertaining way Thank you for publishing it.Well done
@JumpingMountainGoats
@JumpingMountainGoats 8 жыл бұрын
This is the first video I've found that explains the situation further than "her her you can't react to thing!!" Great analysis and thanks for the video!
@speespa8812
@speespa8812 7 жыл бұрын
Dan, I just found your channel and it is great. Keep it up so that I can keep learning things that are actually interesting to know. You'll have 200k subs by this summer. Thanks for the hard work!
@aboot2754
@aboot2754 8 жыл бұрын
Your videos are so fucking amazing, as well as your tweets. Since you use facts and cover interesting topics, of course you get attacked by people. Good on you for keeping up and covering these sorts of topics anyway.
@colink8911
@colink8911 8 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video, very well explained and you got your point across really well. Earned a new subscriber man. Keep up the great work!
@SilverMiraii
@SilverMiraii 8 жыл бұрын
I was nodding my head throughout the video, I resonate with everything you said. I didn't think these guys were so greedy, but after watching their video that is now removed, I fully understhood what they are trying to do, they got tired of making so much content, but also got greedy because any amount of money is not enough for a lot of people, the more money you get the more money you want. So they thought they're being clever and tried to exploit people. Any content people make similar to theirs, they get a cut, some small amount of money from here, some from there, with so many people doing it, they'd be making a lot of money without putting in any effort. But people weren't as stupid and naive as they thought, so they had to cancel everything, otherwise they'd be loosing a lot of money, I'm pretty sure they didn't back up because they care about people, they were just sacred of loosing their subscribers thus loosing money. Myself, I unsubscribed and will not subscribe again, not because that's what a lot of people are doing right now, but because I find them disgusting and greedy.
@HereComesPopoBawa
@HereComesPopoBawa 8 жыл бұрын
Woohoo! Finally, more Folding Ideas. I was worried about if/when there would be more. Definitely watching this later today.
@xXSupreme45Xx
@xXSupreme45Xx 8 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, the most informative one I have came across.
@nagashi017
@nagashi017 8 жыл бұрын
This video is the best explanation for all the fine bros drama so far... great work!!
@MurasakiYugata
@MurasakiYugata 8 жыл бұрын
Great explanation and insight! I think "racketeering" is a really good choice of words and sums up a lot of what's so icky about this whole thing.
@bingfannumberone
@bingfannumberone 6 жыл бұрын
I like how your hat goes one way and your beard goes the other way 😍
@WukhNetwork
@WukhNetwork 8 жыл бұрын
Hi Dan, i have to say, this is probably one of the most well explained videos regarding the FineBros mess. Thank you!
@LonePianoist
@LonePianoist 8 жыл бұрын
You have a lovely beard
@FlyingOverTr0ut
@FlyingOverTr0ut 8 жыл бұрын
Great explanation. Thank you!
@cand7e7ack
@cand7e7ack 8 жыл бұрын
I like this explanation, damn crystal clear and now it really makes sense, in a standpoint its still business. thanks man. subbing.
@thenlbs
@thenlbs 8 жыл бұрын
Nice work. Best explanation I've heard so far.
@hookedonfandom
@hookedonfandom 2 жыл бұрын
This is the first video I ever saw on this channel. Been following ever since. Glad to see Dan having so much success now!
@omegahaxors9-11
@omegahaxors9-11 4 жыл бұрын
The magic word is rent-seeking
@cmrdmd1806
@cmrdmd1806 4 жыл бұрын
i love your content!! alsways so thoughtful and well researched
@michaelpreller4025
@michaelpreller4025 8 жыл бұрын
wow, standing ovation. I know you can't see it but I am giving out one. Excellent job on laying out everything and explaining to people what it really is.
@warfez5768
@warfez5768 4 жыл бұрын
Remember back in the good old days when this was the worst KZbin controversy at the time...
@wilsoncito
@wilsoncito 8 жыл бұрын
That a great explanation. I think you've given the most rational (and unemotional) and yet compelling explanation in this topic. I'm not affected by this but appreciate someone like you taking such a clear stance.
@janberkemeier7406
@janberkemeier7406 2 жыл бұрын
Looking back all these years later, I find it kind of fascinating that the fucking Fine Bros. of all things made such a sizable portion of KZbin-based content creators stand up as one man and go "This is not okay, we need to address this.". The only things I can think of to come even remotely close to this kind of universal disgust in KZbin circles would be the 2018 Rewind (which barely counts) and Doug's "the Wall"-review, and with Channel Awesome having been garbage for years by that point the reactions to that particular trainwreck were much less surprising in their near universal contempt.
@CrossKnights
@CrossKnights 7 жыл бұрын
Wow. A lot of this could be applied to most MCNs on KZbin. They used to be a little bit hard to get into them and because of that you might actually get some support. But then they open the floodgates to everyone and suddenly tens of thousands of people were in many MCNs. Suddenly you couldn't contact them personally, the only service that they then provided you was taking a portion of your money.
@thewolfofthestars1847
@thewolfofthestars1847 5 жыл бұрын
I was subscribed to a bunch of B-and-C-tier let's players back in 2014 (what can I say, I was a weirdo shut-in teen) and I remember watching collaborative videos where a group of them would talk about their Machinima contracts finally running out. A lot of them revamped their channels around that time, new intro/outro, channel redesign, expansion of content and whatnot. They were set free. It was a bit surreal to watch.
@drstevebrule69
@drstevebrule69 8 жыл бұрын
EVERYONE needs to see this video. Perfectly explained. I hope this reaches as many people as possible and makes an impact in fighting against Fine Bros Entertainment and their disgusting practices.
@HelloPatch
@HelloPatch 8 жыл бұрын
This is some good shit. I love your format. Subscribed!
@Raientai
@Raientai 7 жыл бұрын
I started out mad, calmed down with more understanding, and now full understanding has mad me even angrier
@idontcare6736
@idontcare6736 8 жыл бұрын
This is unique in the world of "react to finebros" video fad in that it not only says what it does but how it does it and why it does it and how it will affect those who do it. This is also noticeably different from the videos filled with insults and expletives, no matter how creative and amusing those are. This is a high quality video with insight into this process. I applaud you.
@flushnutch1605
@flushnutch1605 8 жыл бұрын
Their only real crime is being greedy. I don't think they were planning to start a dictatorship over ALL reaction videos, so all the flak they're getting in kinda undeserving. But really i'm glad they're getting all the hate for it, it's about time youtubers with tens of millions of subscribers realize they're not invincible, and they CAN lose subs.
@PauLtus_B
@PauLtus_B 7 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't say being greedy is an "only". Greed is pretty much is the prime source of any immoral behaviour. The result is straight up free riding on smaller youtube channels who gain nothing from it and need that money a whole lot more than they do.
@ekki1993
@ekki1993 4 жыл бұрын
They were literally trying to do racketeering and/or rip off their fans for profits. Saying they were "just being greedy" as if that excuses anything is extremely dumb. Just try using that dumb argument with any form of theft and see how dumb it is. I know it's an old comment but it's just SUCH a stupid point made to relativize the potentially harmful actions of people with power (let's be real having over 10 million subscribers gives you more reach than some countries' national broadcast networks) and it pisses me off.
@gothboithick
@gothboithick Жыл бұрын
amazing video. love your content, you explain things so well and it’s so easy to understand
@KurtisRainboltGreene
@KurtisRainboltGreene 8 жыл бұрын
Holy shit, they should have hired you to handle it. Amazingly explained.
@WritingPursuits
@WritingPursuits 8 жыл бұрын
Well done, sir. Fantastic explanation. Thank you for breaking it down for the rest of us.
@DrummingOtaku
@DrummingOtaku 8 жыл бұрын
This is very sad. Thank you Dan for the very detailed analysis of the situation. Do you think the negative backlash will have any affect on this situation or is it too late?
@BD12
@BD12 8 жыл бұрын
6:42 the part that ooged me out the most about their scheme
@SwichKnight
@SwichKnight 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much. This is a level headed response that hits every important point.
@OfficerCrunk
@OfficerCrunk 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking the time to explain all of this Folding, mucho gracias!
@KraigOliver
@KraigOliver 7 жыл бұрын
My new favourite youtube channel. Can i license your format?
@georgeshibley9529
@georgeshibley9529 8 жыл бұрын
11/10 Thank you for not doing the typical circle-jerk reaction and touching on the same points as everyone else. I hate the Fine Bro's but I don't necessarily want to watch a bunch of famous KZbinrs Make money from shitting on them all day as well. I watch videos because I think about making content one day. This is the type of analysis that not only allows me to know what happened, but in a way that is beneficial to me so I don't make the same mistakes.
@linuxsport
@linuxsport 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you for taking the time and making this informative video.
@KemalElmizan
@KemalElmizan 8 жыл бұрын
Very nice video, liked and subscribed. Not only because you gave a superb explanation, but also because you mention Indonesia :)
@Hrothmeir
@Hrothmeir 7 жыл бұрын
Since we're talking about people basically skimming ideas to make money, it would be remiss of me not to point out that Mike Judge skimmed the idea from Superman III.
@RVGENomini
@RVGENomini 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for having eyes that can both look at the camera simultaneously.
@CrestfallenLizard
@CrestfallenLizard 2 жыл бұрын
this video got me more into Modest Mouse, which is my biggest takeaway from it. i knew Float On and Dashboard, but never really looked into them more until i heard Dan say, "In the words of Modest Mouse, 'it takes more time to make a fake'" which i thought was a good line so i looked it up and got more into them. also, wow, i can't believe this was six years ago. what a simpler time it seemed to be when it came to online controversy.
@jacksonoakley2264
@jacksonoakley2264 8 жыл бұрын
I'd love to hear your take on how KZbin handles copyright claims in general, because I think it's an important factor behind why the Fine Bros are able to get away with this (or, at least, why they think they can). KZbin obviously isn't meticulously evaluating every individual copyright claim and deciding whether it has a legitimate basis based on actual copyright law, or else the Fine Bros' threats to take down any unlicensed knockoffs would be baseless. But KZbin can't be completely indiscriminately taking down all videos that contain copyrighted content either; otherwise, the Fine Bros' own videos would be at risk.
@SourBitters
@SourBitters 8 жыл бұрын
The main thing I'm wondering now is if they did this on accident or on purpose. This seems like a mistake a stupid enough person could make.
@wwelss
@wwelss 8 жыл бұрын
+SourBitters I really want to believe that they made a stupid mistake on this one, and didn't think this through at all. Just they way they represented this idiotic idea makes me hopeful that it just might be a big fat mistake...
@vitorgbg25
@vitorgbg25 8 жыл бұрын
+Ella Page if they did though, by now they shouldve realised what they did, and instead of that stupid video they posted, they wouldve posted and actual apology and scrapped their plans.
@bowmanruto
@bowmanruto 8 жыл бұрын
+SourBitters "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" apply's in this case imo
@wwelss
@wwelss 8 жыл бұрын
vitorgbg25 Exactly. Now that they definitely know why their idea sucks, they should absolutely apologize and give up that idea.
@analukatmj
@analukatmj 8 жыл бұрын
+SourBitters It's funny how they are just acting like nothing happened, it's like they don't care about what their own subscribers think about this situation."We can do what we want, you're not going to stop us".
@Bhchurchil42
@Bhchurchil42 8 жыл бұрын
Spot on, my man. How do you not have more subs
@real_thanu
@real_thanu 8 жыл бұрын
I got a Vsource feel from this video! Good Job! Subscribed :D
@RGVZGM
@RGVZGM 8 жыл бұрын
Also, the plot of Office Space is basically the plot of Superman 3.
@RobertShoemake
@RobertShoemake 8 жыл бұрын
This is the best take on the situation so far! you have gained a fan and subscriber!
@clubparty44
@clubparty44 8 жыл бұрын
You just earned yourself another subscriber. Thanks for this.
@ThunderChanter
@ThunderChanter 8 жыл бұрын
Share this every where. An extremely well done explanation of what is going on and why it's bad for everyone.
@Kragatar
@Kragatar 8 жыл бұрын
More people need to see this video.
@BourneFighting
@BourneFighting 8 жыл бұрын
This was absolutely the best commentary and explanation of the situation so far.
@LogicGated
@LogicGated 2 жыл бұрын
Man I remember when this was a huge deal.
@kiloalphahotel5354
@kiloalphahotel5354 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vid. Always great.
@VerneWilliams
@VerneWilliams 8 жыл бұрын
You have my attention Dan! Subscribed
@TheRealIanRojo
@TheRealIanRojo 6 жыл бұрын
Hello there, new fan here; I've just found your channel and binge watched a whole lot of episodes. I'm commenting on this video to ask if it would be possible for you to do a similar episode on Simple Pickup's "Jumpcut Academy". I've looked in-depth into their program and it seems that it's exploitative nature is so pervasive that it effectively silences opposition from every angle. I feel that this channel would be more than competent to tackle this subject and fill a seemingly currently existing information void within the platform in question: KZbin. Regardless, I would like to thank you for your time in creating purposeful and in-depth content. Good day.
@m.3.3.w
@m.3.3.w 8 жыл бұрын
Immediately subbed. Great thought out video!
@monkeeshrines
@monkeeshrines 8 жыл бұрын
This is a very well presented explanation of the problems with the REACT debacle. I don't think that the Fine Bros intend to be bad people or take advantage, but they just don't really know what the idea of them franchising out, as it were, means in regards of how internet content will be presented and produced. And I agree that their "product" is basically just a broad kind of thing, one that existed before they had their various reaction series. Yes, it's worrisome, and I am glad that the Fine Bros had this idea, and I'm glad for the backlash to it. Content creators who have ideas and formats and such needed this to happen, needed this conversation to get going, and needed it to be very loud and public so everyone knows that it is a terrible idea to apply to something so broad. If it wasn't the Fine Bros, it would have been someone else.
@emilioeusse
@emilioeusse 8 жыл бұрын
Best explanation I have heard...thanks
@xIMEPICx1
@xIMEPICx1 8 жыл бұрын
the best explanation iv seen on youtube of this hole thing
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