For Honor - Guardbreak Vulnerability or "Why does my GB bounce off?"

The question is still being asked all the time, and it surprises me the answer is not more well known.
So here's an indepth guide why you sometimes bounce off when you try to GB punish a parry attempt.
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[@drfrankendoodle]

You maybe should have mentioned the GB vulnerability on GB startup. I get a lot of people asking “how do I get GBd out of MY GB?!” And they don’t know that they can still counter. Anyway just a thought.

[@teinmeizeshi5209]

You can counter it? OMG, this makes me more confident now. I literally didn't know.

[@drfrankendoodle]

Tein Meizeshi yup you can counter it. Best practice is just to double tap GB so that in case you’re unlucky and they GB at the same time, you’ll counter.

[@gabrieljones7642]

I don't think you can counter it 100% of the time. There are times I get it to work and others it seems that I'm stuck eating a gb. That could be because of lag. The system reads it as my gb attempt first then his so his hits me when I'm vulnerable in a gb recovery. Idk

[@dirtmonkey_14h2]

@@drfrankendoodle Heh I knew my panic double square taps were worth something

[@bonefat21]

My friend asks me this literally every time. I explain every time. He asks again next time. For those still confused, when it feels like "we both did a GB at the same time, but his won for some reason, Ubi hates me," what's actually happening is the following: you decide to input a GB. Between you have the thought of inputting it and your finger actually pressing the GB button, your opponent presses his GB button. It *looks* like you both input GB at the same time and they should clash and bounce off, but your GB loses. In actuality, you could have countered, but before you realized what was happening, the CGB window had expired. If you're asking why your GB input didn't simply counter their GB attempt, that's because GB has 200ms of startup time (IIRC, might be 400, but either way), so while his GB is 'on the way,' you are inputting a GB of your own, although his lands first. If he inputs a GB and you were intending to input your own, but you input it after the startup time of his GB, you will counter. Moral of the story? Pick Raider and run the slippery feat. Always.

[@Bricky]

Thanks for making this, always wondered why it happened

[@Mrxrider995]

Good to see you here, just watched your Glad vs Goki video last night and I loved it. I feel the same way playing sometimes!

[@BionicCommando25]

Brickyyyy

[@Linknot100]

damn gladiator zone, you scary

[@Shiftinggers]

Ma boi Freeze is the Rogue-9 of For Honor

[@gandy4989]

Hello everybody, rogue 9 here

[@yaidan470]

#WhatEvenIsMobility

[@radeni]

Tip: You can increase chances of getting a GB from feint if your guard isn't matching the enemy's so it adds a 100ms to his attack due to guard switch.

[@fkkfreeze]

a parry ignores the guard switch delay, so that's not true, unless I'm missing something here.

[@radeni]

I had this theory before and when I tested it I would consistently get hit by certain attacks but also consistently GB If my guard wasnt matching enemy's. Maybe I did something wrong and the test was off but those are the results i got from it. There you go an idea to do a quick test of.

[@fkkfreeze]

I'll check, sure. maybe there's something to it ;) never hesitate to share stuff like that if you've done some testing. thanks man

[@FransM89]

Yea, but it's true for a successful parry. A failed parry is basically just a normal heavy, right?

[@fkkfreeze]

huh... you have a point there.

[@Anime-Doof]

*_I KNEW IT. I DO GET GRABBED OUT OF MY LIGHTS AS LAWBRINGER!!!_*

[@DayVidsgaming]

Darkwireman highlander suffers that but horribly lmao 🤣

[@crunchyboi4591]

Think of shugoki, just had it happen to me.

[@rex-ch7lf]

@@crunchyboi4591 hl has it worse He can be literally GBed out of everything even his os lights

[@kathal1931]

This channel is probably the best thing that the for honor community has.

[@NightingaleBrawlhalla]

GlAdIatORs ZoNe Is FiNE - Developers I can actually react to gladiators zone but the fact that it's pretty much unpunishable for most of the cast of heroes is kinda dumb, and then it makes it pretty pointless to dodge as you cant fucking punish it anyway may as well eat the dmg. FeelsShigokiMan

[@Faisal-rp2zk]

We consider buffing it as well said the devs

[@markuscaesar670]

Community: Can we nerf Glad’s zone please? Devs: *NERF SHUGOKI*

[@NightingaleBrawlhalla]

May as well make it fucking insta kill while thye're at it, and make it cost 2 stamina - Then glades zone will be BaLaNcEd

[@quentincl2932]

Nice topic ! So much details to discover about For honor mechanics. Serial months later :I don't know if you would react to this today but I wanted to speak about the switching guard and how that influences the guard break timing. Like you can parry even if you're not at the same guard as your opponent ignoring the time transition to switch guard. But if you do so, and that was a feint into a guard break, the time you switch guard before you Land your heavy will be counted.

[@Suge67]

I think this is my first public comment but man you make some really great content. I dont play for honor anymore but I watched this entire video and now I am about to redownload. Keep up the great work.

[@pewgamingpc]

I don't know how you have the energy to record and explain all this and gather the data required but thank you for doing it ❤

[@rnd.0m458]

I honestly love your Chanel, you help with my for honor game and entertain me even on subjects I already know about.

[@Greg-ku7rn]

I don't care about my GB bouncing off. No I care about being so close to my viking foe I can smell the rancid mead of his breath through the computer screen, yet whiffing my GB it because the fuckin server (which from it's performance is probably a commodore sixty-four somewhere in siberia that the soviets captured from the americans and sold to ubisoft) thinks that I am on a different postal code from the raider.

[@Ithmari]

Thanks for explaining buddy! Keep up the great work!

[@swoozx3306]

Hey Freeze! Thank you for the new video, I always understood this and and kinda learned who not to feint into gaurdbreak against, but it is good to have this video to show friends so they can understand. You're videos have always taught me new things to use in for honor which allows me to practice and has been able to expand the playability of this game for me due to it's rather simple presentation. Just a suggestion, but you should consider making videos on things you could add to the game or what you could change. I'm sure people would love to hear what you would like to have in this game. I'd especially love to see it, because it seems you are down to always let this game have more tech and allow for it to have a higher skill ceiling. Anyways, once again thanks for the videos! Have fun playing.

[@papihoncho2303]

I’m so happy someone made a video of this B.S feature!!! I’ve literally died so many times cause of this guardbreak “Issue” wish they’d fix this. This guy is a hero among men👌🏼👏🏼

[@jakey20123]

Ive wanted this exact thing explained by freeze since forever

[@arcadebumstead445]

Hey, great video Freeze. I would just like to add something you didn't mention, Feint into GB ALWAYS catches someone who feints his own parry attempts. Feint into GB counters this 100% of the time and its what I use it for mostly. It may be worth adding to the video since its one of the first things you can learn about an opponent and then apply directly for results.

[@zetsubou1]

men you do a great job. thank you for your dedication for this game

[@sebastianhcz8901]

I was going to ask for a video on this!!! Thank you so much for this!

[@Dredguno]

I really hope Ubisoft watches all of your videos

[@Saykiata]

Thanks for the explanation Freeze! I always find this really annoying, especially when my opponents got a free GB after feinting a heavy I'd bounced off :/

[@thelotus3]

Here is something I found helpful. If u feint gb in the same direction you'll more than likely get hit, but if u feint gb in a direction that their guard is not in you'll get the gb, try it in practice!

[@thatguyyouhate3743]

On an unrelated note, did any of you know that the shugoki/aramusha tier 2 feat that makes you immune to knockdown on throws makes you get up immediately after a highlander grab so you only have to dodge at kick timing

[@connor8614]

I'd say you do God's work, Freeze, but no God ever made such a difference to my play. So, whatever is above God, you're doing their work.

[@bonefat21]

Blasphemous, and complimentary? What a combination.

[@lorddem1659]

What do we learn from this great video.. 1. Game is Balanced - OMEGALUL - 2. Glads Zone is Fully punishable - NOT . Great Video Freeze as always

[@jessebrown5247]

Freeze you are the best for honor youtuber!

[@natedude95]

What about when you guardbreak a guardbreak or get guardbroken while attempting a guardbreak? You've probably seen what i'm talking about.

[@dumbbumsc5329]

Dumb luck. I'd say you'd both have to GB at the exact same time. And if someone GBs before the other, most times the slower one get GBed

[@evanmachendrick4949]

I got two GB questions, maybe they can be answered here? The big one is (and this might just be a lag/latency thing): why is it when I am part way through my GB animation my opponent can begin their GB, but instead of cancelling each other out they win and get a free GB on me? I can't get out of it, I've tried. It tends to happen a lot when I play lawbringer. I'm also curious why it is GBs can track a backwards dodge that starts at the edge of their range, given how short the reach on a GB usually is.

[@vante6507]

GB is a dodge punisher so even if you dodge backwards, it tracks you. Seems weird but it's rather important to work like that. You first problem might be due to latency or smthng...

[@Alex_Aramayo]

I hate that shit too im a shinobi main & bc of both me & my opponent were gbing at the same time except me always doing it 1st i would get gb & it wasn't fun i was giving the guy free heavys😑

[@TimoCruz177]

I lost a game to a PK a couple days ago because of this. every time I would try to gb her she would try to gb me as well and she 100% of the time got the gb on me for free and I couldn't cgb her. we were both with less than 30 ping

[@rocklobster1138]

@@vante6507 guardbreaks don't always catch backward dodges, hell for me they rarely do for some reason unless I'm as close as possible to the person

[@Dragonicswordlegend]

Happens to me too, thought it was just me being a dummy and holding S so instead of a GB it's Long Arm.

[@droppodgamer8076]

Video gets uploaded Players: *”It only took 40 years”*

[@Shinigginaz]

i didnt know lights also had vulnerability, I always wondered why top players never answer guardbreaks with lights, but they usually do with other stuff like glad zones

[@GhostDrewSenju]

Also how come at random people can guard break from 10 feet but every other time you have to be kissing you opponent just to GB

[@mrbushi1062]

This also explains why I get GB out of my dodges as Orochi

[@WolfofVengeance]

I hope you see this comment. I’d love to see a vid explaining the punch through property. Not like legit punch through to kill. Like when an enemy attacks you when you’re out of stamina and can continue his chain even if you block his attacks. This also happens if the enemy activates revenge. Orochi is really clear with this. If you are out of stam he can go through his entire light chain, and I think aramusha can too. A video would be very appreciated my friend. Thank yoh

[@LongTimeAgoNL]

What about the GB that people initiate 'almost' at the same time and then one of the 2 'get' the guardbreak and dont bounce of off eachother? Its completely random if the person who initiates it after or before the other person. Haven't found anything consistent. What I did found is that Orochi has a higher chance of GB'ing people that do this than other characters. If people GB at the same time, especially if the other person activates it as a "counter GB", both should bounce off of eachother. Annoying.

[@jonmcman9866]

Im sure its whoever catches the other one in its startup. Gb's have a 100 ms vulnerability as well. Edit: dont quote me on this but i think u can cgb those.

[@demetri189]

Just to let you know, and the comment above, you CAN still counter guardbreak in those situations

[@bonefat21]

I'll copy-paste my reply to another comment: My friend asks me this literally every time. I explain every time. He asks again next time. For those still confused, when it feels like "we both did a GB at the same time, but his won for some reason, Ubi hates me," what's actually happening is the following: you decide to input a GB. Between you have the thought of inputting it and your finger actually pressing the GB button, your opponent presses his GB button. It *looks* like you both input GB at the same time and they should clash and bounce off, but your GB loses. In actuality, you could have countered, but before you realized what was happening, the CGB window had expired. If you're asking why your GB input didn't simply counter their GB attempt, that's because GB has 200ms of startup time (IIRC, might be 400, but either way), so while his GB is 'on the way,' you are inputting a GB of your own, although his lands first. If he inputs a GB and you were intending to input your own, but you input it after the startup time of his GB, you will counter. Moral of the story? Pick Raider and run the slippery feat. Always.

[@SG5Leroy]

This was a great video!

[@sentinee6946]

Aramusha side heavies , and cent heavies can t be guardbroke too (as the glad ans conq ones)

[@markuscaesar670]

Senti nee Cent’s heavies work just like lights. You can be GB’d out, but it has to be so fast you can’t see the indicator

[@fabianr.6507]

Addition to your guardbreak video and video request: Hey freeze, soo I'm a Shugoki Main, and I noticed that it's possible to still use shugokis hyperarmour after heavy feint for a guaranteed guardbreak, if the opponent goes for the parry (no matter if crushing counter, parry, or optionselect parry. It's just become crazy hard since season 5, since his passive hyperarmour does no longer work like the revenge hyperarmour (so u can't GB through an attack) and it needs lots of practice and experience with all characters. It is however possible, to wait until the attack intended for the parry/counter hits u and then use the recovery window after that attack, to land the guardbreak (so u basically need to know all recovery timings for all attacks and - and this is the really hard thing- know when the attack ends and the recovery phase starts, so the gb vulnerability window opens up again, to consistently pull this off). Since Shugoki is still in a very bad spot, that knowledge makes him a little bit more viable and gives u the option to play more aggressively by working with feints, so it would be great if more shugokis knew about that. Talking about this technique - Maybe u could help me help all Shugo-fans and spread this message, by making a video that shows this technique and tells people about the most important timings when the attacks end and the gb vulnerability windows open up (most important are heavies and option select heavies) :P Trading gb against normal heavy-parries is the hardest thing, since they have really long active attack (= gb immunity) window and in some instances a very short recovery (= gb vulnerability) window, before they chain into the next attack (some chains I get the feeling don't even have such an in-chain gb vulnerability). It would be so awesome if u could make a video about that, and a big ray of light for all the poor shugokis out there waiting for their rework ;) Thx mate

[@markuscaesar670]

Fabian Rohm Don’t you start spreading this around, the devs’ll see it and nerf Shugoki again

[@fabianr.6507]

@@markuscaesar670 sad but probably true xP It's as far as I can see the most skill intensive tech in the game though, so I don't think many people will use it. So not enough impact for Devs to get active^^ also as we now know, they don't look at our feedback anyway 😂

[@markuscaesar670]

Fabian Rohm Shit you ain’t kidding. “lAWbrInGeR iS A gOoD cHaRacTer yOu JuSt nEEd tO lEaRn hOW To PlAy HiM”

[@jw-bv1il]

6:50 this clip is for honor fuckery in a nutshell

[@neptunerising4383]

The for honor scientist great video

[@teinmeizeshi5209]

Nice, now I know it's because my opponent sucks at parrying and it's still working out for him.

[@welatxwese8074]

Well, nice to know. I was really getting mad when I consistenly got gaurd broken while doing the start of double light of warden (from right or left)

[@vnllaa]

what happens to the gb vulnerability when throwing oos attacks? do they still keep their initial vulnerability frames or do they get new ones on the "slower" attacks?

[@Lyr00]

vnllaa im sure it gets a new vulnerability based on the speed of the oos atk. I didn't test it but that is my experience while playing

[@CaptainVallois]

OOS attacks that are below 1000ms follow the same rules as non-OOS attacks below 1000ms, and all attacks longer than 1000 ms when thrown OOS are 100% guardbreak-able, following shugoki's case. In particular, Centurion's and Gladiator's heavies and Orochi's top heavy can be thrown OOS without being guard broken for example.

[@TwoCraZyEyes0]

yes! i really want to know about that because people can dodge or parry raider's fury so can feinting the zone into a gb catch both options?

[@simplecat8736]

@@TwoCraZyEyes0 if they parry attempt while oos, you will probably get a gb. However with that being said, it would make more sense to feint and parry them as they're oos and get a larger punish

[@TwoCraZyEyes0]

not really, with raider all you get from oos parry is light into zone, with an oos throw you could get more with a wall. But that's not the point they can also dodge the zone instead of parry and you would have to have some amazing reactions to gb on reaction to a dodge in time to catch them in recovery ever since the updated dodge recoveries. If i could just feint into gb to catch both options then that would be far better than having to guess whether they will do nothing, parry, or dodge.

[@thelordofcow5639]

What about conqs and aramushas 800 ms heavies? They seems to only have that 100 ms gb vulnerability that most 700 ms attacks have.

[@CaptainVallois]

Awesome analysis. I'm really surprised that 800 to 1000 ms attacks are subject to players reaction. Have you ever seen a case where you want to parry a heavy (even as early as possible) as Warlord, Highlander and it does make the opponent bounce off ? Consider Raider's ZA or any heavy from zerk in a chain : I'm really surprised to think that if I were to parry it super early, I wouldn't be guard broken...

[@robertmachin364]

thanks for this video, it's very helpfull. I knew that 700ms heavies had 100ms gb vulnerability, so your gb always bounces off, but i didn't realise that an early parry with an 1000ms attack can also result in a gb bouncing off. I always wondered how this happened when i was fighting raiders, but now i know!

[@suskacyka]

This can be summed up as “yes unless no”

[@barco7004]

Sometimes when I play glad I'm vulnerable to GBS if i faint my heavy parry too late

[@fiftyfat]

What i think is broken is the kensei top heavy, you can bounce off of it while still allowing time for the kensei to hard feint it and free gb you after. It's not game breaking, the move is not interesting damage wise most of the time, but still, if you bounce that should mean he commited to the attack

[@biglogie680]

i feel like for honor would have wayy better players if more people subscribed to freeze

[@Limrasson]

My only question is...why isn't the game talking about guard breaking? I can't remember anywhere in game explained that you can guardbreak any attack. All that it says is that guardbreak is used to break a guard but you bounce off of attacks. And then you go into multiplayer and people are throwing you left and right and then you try it and boucne off and you are like "wtf is happening" until you kinda figure it out trial by error style.

[@zantrex4]

Ubi pleeaaseer hire this man!

[@mongrelshadow14]

I'll just add that wardens unblockable top heavy is one of the exceptions to the rules here. Its 1000ms but has the same gb vulnerability as 700ms attacks.

[@halfdemoned]

Hey so this is cool and all and I know we all appreciate the amazing videos you put out, but what is up with the distance guardbreaks can go. For example sometime you whiff a guardbreak when the enemy is right in front of you then sometimes you will fly 5 feet to grab them. Can you help explain this? Again thanks for all you do in our community.

[@fkkfreeze]

terrain plays a huge role, which makes this pretty much impossible to test and give a conclusive answer. sorry :(

[@halfdemoned]

@@fkkfreeze all good that essentially answers my question thanks for the reply :)

[@ArzovDeRune]

Good job dude

[@chokonnit7337]

But nobody asks why guardbreak can track you to the ends of the earth but you whiff it if the opponent is more than 1 foot in front of you

[@Relhio]

Thanks a lot for this man, I used to get really pissed about this thinking that gbs will always beat heavy start-ups, now I know the timing was just off.

[@davidalcaraz8562]

Whenever I let go of an attack when someone throws a heavy or unblockable and they GB it still works even after I committed to the heavy. Wtf? Everyone else gets to do it but me?!

[@intraserv3123]

Hold up.. Gladiator GOT guardbroken, after getting gb'd he did his zone, and broke out of it???

[@emiraydn5965]

You decrease your dislikes every video! Good work Freeze!

[@andyboots_acta7838]

Excellent video. Thank you....and my other noob friends thank you lol

[@krekkyboy5816]

Freeze can you talk about attack recovery and how some character (like shugoki) are in danger of even throwing a light only or a combo because it takes too long for him tp tech out of a gb

[@bobbygriffin6662]

Maybe you will cover this later in the video but what about when it seems you both hit gb at the same time and one will be overwritten? This happens to me all the time on console and really pisses me off. Lol. Anyone else notice this?

[@SteakOSaurier]

iirc you can cgb those.

[@drip_gami458]

Sooo two questions. (I main shaman so theyre about her timings) One why does Shamans zone sometimes get gb interrupted? I thought this would've maybe answered, or maybe you explained why and I didn't understand fully. Two, if I soft feint my unblockable into a gb, why do I get gb'd out of it? It happens sometimes, and it's extremely fast and confusing.

[@tresh_player]

What would we do without you freeze lol

[@shawnwolf5961]

GB bouncing off isn't the issue for me. With JJ, I think the GB vulnerability is bugged because, and this happens consistently, halfway through his heavy attacks, I still get GB. It is such crap, and it realllllly pisses me off.

[@sandguyman]

I thought the Gb bouncing off of another Gb was a distance kind of thing Like if one player uses Gb out of range and the other one still reacts to it and ends up moving into range Also, does a Gb have Gb vulnerability of its own or am I just seeing things?

[@SneakyBeaky1]

I have a question, what is with that weird occurrance where you guardbreak, yet the opponent is able to guard break you even as you are initiating the guardbreak. This happens rather consistently when I play Lawbringer. I press the guardbreak button and I myself get guardbroken.

[@xXXdaniel210xXx]

Can u explain when two ppl gb at the same time literally split second difference, but their gb registers but yours is canceled out

[@SmugKot]

in other words feint into guardbreak only works vs people who are parry happy.

[@dannymaxwell8458]

Would it be possible for you to look into instances of being guard broken out of a guard break

[@centurionyt4472]

Another question: why does he get the successful gb even though I did it first?

[@PulseEditor]

The worse is when you both gb and they get it even tho you gb at the same time

[@ZeRoCaShHD]

but thats bot true what you said about shaman and her soft feint, a hour ago i was against a shaman sho did the exact same thing, i tried to parry her soft feint into gb and her gb went through my attack

[@Morpseus]

Feints increase the gb vulnerability. You should've probably added that.

[@ceratedsign4825]

So GB only use is countering other players gbs now? Now this just seems to hurt mix ups? I Dont understand why they would do this..

[@teinmeizeshi5209]

And WOW, now the Glad mains will spam zone whenever they see GB indicator, good job Ubi.

[@ItsCDoc]

Every time I watch one of your videos I learn nothing and actually get even more confused

[@IssaUserName]

Glad, cento and conq. All 3 destroy the feint for kensai and shamwow

[@TheRoundedTable]

Does oro's top heavy have the 100ms vulnerability? I remember reading somewhere it doesn't, but considering you didn't mention it I suppose it does have the 100ms.

[@Lyr00]

What if my opponent is feinting there parry attempt? And are all feints timed roughly the same according to the speed of the atk ? Cause I feel like there is characters that recover way quicker from a feint , but I don't know if that only has to do with the length of the feinted atk.

[@wrathoffire7012]

You forgot to mention how hyper armor plays into GBs

[@NimaLema]

Hyper armor doesnt effect gb clearly shown at 7:50

[@wrathoffire7012]

I more meant as if you have hyper armor does it give a bigger window to punch through an attack? Plus everyone’s hyper armor works differently so say you gb a heavy thrown by a warlord? What kind of effect does it have?

[@NimaLema]

you can always guardbreak through hyper armor the reason you cant with warlord is because the hyper armor kicks in later into the animation where its too late to gb anyways even if he didnt have the hyper armor

[@ProSharpshooter]

That's kind of dumb that you can be guardbroken out of the start up to an attack; what guard is there to break when the target isnt even in a neutral or defensive stance?

[@aaronpower879]

What about raiders heavy feint into dodge grab

[@ultraye]

So heavy startup have 100ms invulnerability to GB? I'm so confuse.. Probably just play the game like a good boi and pretend the enemy is dirty so my character doesn't want to grab

[@ashisunblade]

Do you have a list of exceptions to the speed-to-GB-vulnerability rule? Warden's unblockable top heavy for example seems highly resistant to GB (more so than its speed indicates).

[@ThresherC88]

Can you explain why sometimes when I gank an enemy, a heavy attack (as orochi, for example) will only do 7 damage amidst the clutter, while when I get ganked and hit by multiple attacks, every enemy does full damage causing me to die in half a second?

[@fkkfreeze]

there is damage mitigation on CGBs and throws.

[@thequietman9820]

I ask the question of "why did my light attack get interrupted by a gb?"

[@fgg4136]

So a late parry results in the gb registering and an early parry makes the gb bounce of right? Or is it the other way around?

[@Blackwolf-ud5je]

Tip for beginners, shortening the video in one sentence: You should only feint into GB, when you think your opponent is gonna dodge out of the heavy attack, or when your opponent is OOS.

[@fkkfreeze]

thanks for missing the entire point

[@TwoCraZyEyes0]

what if glad or cent for example feint their parry? does heavy feint into gb work there?

[@simplecat8736]

Can you reaction gb a heavy on characters with the standard heavy punish timings? I'm guessing you could but it would be very unreliable as gb from feint is a planned action to catch characters starting an attack. On the other hand, you mention 400ms to gb and the vulnerability is less than that, so on second thought. You probably can't...

[@thesmoothdoran]

Uh, what's option select? Is that just someone who doesn't parry a lot and parries only occasionally?

[@fkkfreeze]

option select means that 1 input covery multiple options. In the example in the video, if you input a zone attack to parry, that beats a feint to GB.

[@Dragon_Sin775]

My heavies never land after a GB and i do them as soon as i grab but they always seem to be guarded. I tried different directions to see if some had different speeds but they keep getting blocked. Then when im grabbed my character stands there waiting for that sword to cut him in half

[@fkkfreeze]

what character are you playing?

[@Dragon_Sin775]

@@fkkfreeze same result for all

[@mgrm77]

*THE NUMBERS MAISON* *TRY TO REMMBER*

[@slayerdrex8123]

So I understand this now, but is it lag when I get guard broken in my counter guard break?

[@slayerdrex8123]

Never mind, just saw a response to that

[@iudex_wrp152]

And the gb fulnerability on feints ?

[@tomdust3127]

somewhere over the rainbow

[@alugartttt]

what about GBing a dodge attack attempt? what is the vulnerability of a dodge or dodge with an attack? (like kensei side attack)

[@fkkfreeze]

each dodge attack is different. you have the min. dodge startup + the differing vulnerabilities of the attacks itself. you can GB them all, just for some it has to be insanely early, while others (like zhanhu's or warmonger's) can be GB'd rather late

[@farce2734]

I'm still confused. Can you explain in simpler words? Also, I've noticed with orochi how my GB takes more priority to heavy attacks except cent. Maybe I'm just paranoid

[@markuscaesar670]

Moral of this story is that Shugoki is the worst character in the game