For Honor: New Hero Speculation - Knights

[@GoGoDani]

Timestamps: 0:56 Rapier 3:49 Zweihander/Montante 5:39 Langes Messer 8:07 Polearms and more specifically, the Partizan 9:46 Jousting Lance and Shield 11:35 Spiked Warhammer 16:42 Spartan Hoplite 18:50 Sabers and/or the Winged Hussars

[@elijahwick99]

Cool thank you, love the vids!

[@fearz-4367]

I'm gonna add some info, a two handed messer is called a kriegmesser :D Edit: from what I know at least

[@Evergreen4477_Typology]

GoGoDani I hope the come up with a rapier and parry dagger

[@Evergreen4477_Typology]

Also do you get why there are so many spikes on everyone’s armor????

[@gurtbag]

When the winged hussars arrived?

[@shamelesscopout2257]

I really like that idea that glad is just some crazy Gladiator that’s just there battling for the fun of it.

[@GoGoDani]

I genuinely like that idea too. He's just out here like, *"DO YOU HEAR THE ROAR OF THE CROWDS?!"* and his teammates are like, "...hey buddy, are you doing okay?"

[@armintor2826]

From what i remember of his character trailer, hes doing it for the clout. Glads a clout chaser

[@shrimpdragon1353]

dankdamundi great I main a clout chaser

[@danestambaugh255]

@@armintor2826 glad makes being a clout chaser badass lmao

[@shrimpdragon1353]

Dane Stambaugh truth

[@Chance-loss]

Gladiator: BRING ME ANOTHER CHALLENGER Emperor: Dude they're gone Glad: ...what do you mean gone Emp: you beat all of them, they're dead Glad: where are the centurions? Emp: off fighting in a distant land alongside our allies Glad: ...fighting you say... Emp: yes, against savages and masters alike. Glad: savages AND masters!? Emp: yes it's an extremely bloody conflict. Glad: Bloody!? Emp: yea some real tough warrio- where'd he go? 7 months later Warden: who is that guy and how is he killing so many with a fishing tool? Glad: CAN YOU HEAR THE ROAR OF THE CROWD!? warden: WHO ARE YOU TALKING TO? WHAT CROWD? Centurion: Oh god him

[@Chillzone2012]

I would love to watch a Film or a TV series wit this plot!

[@elcatrinc1996]

i do believe he went crazy thanks to the war and tailored his own armor, that would explain why is almost historical but not too accurate

[@pandito46]

I like to think Centurion would actually be happy to see Gladiator, like 2 best friends meeting randomly in the local Macdonalds after 6 years

[@magicman3163]

This sounds like Don Quixote

[@SuperflyMiceguy]

They went full Edge with the Sword and Shield Knight, so how 'bout a Holier than though, Full-plate two-handed morning star/mace Knight. (That doesn't screech every two seconds...)

[@Beanpolr]

I personally think a spartan type hero would be awesome

[@sanguineregis5354]

Im imaging a full-plate crusader with a two-handed morningstar like whats in Mordhau who bashes peoples skulls to dust before offering a christian prayer.

[@Beanpolr]

@@sanguineregis5354 So just jorm but fun?

[@sanguineregis5354]

@@Beanpolr yes. Maybe give him charged heavies that arent unblockable but instead shift your character a bit if blocked, alot of hit dead on. Not alot of movement but enough to wallsplat. I think that would be so mucg better then jorm's stamina abuse. Maybe even give him combos that are 4 attacks long and like lawbringers (no consecutive lights). ... I hate jorm so much i have come up with an entire character to replace him. Moveset and all.

[@Beanpolr]

@@sanguineregis5354 I think it would be cool if he had certain attacks that would stun you and open you up to others (not like a regular bash or something) where he actually uses the weight of the hammer to break through your guard and you can't block or parry it but if it misses he's open to attacks. It kinda sounds op but I think it would work for just one hero, obviously with some adjustments

[@elijahwick99]

I really want a Spartan/Hoplite even though it's not the same time period.

[@GoGoDani]

If they can make it unique, fun to play, and look cool, then I would totally be down. Like I said, it doesn't need to make sense, it just can't be a Valkyrie clone.

[@elijahwick99]

@@GoGoDani yeah I would be pretty mad if it was just a dude Valkyrie with different armor. Thanks for the great vid!

[@kevinnorwood8782]

@@elijahwick99 I would love for Spartans/Hoplites to be in For Honor, but I really think they would work better as a completely different faction. Namely the Heavy class in a Greek Faction. Vanguard class could be the Athenians.

[@elijahwick99]

@@kevinnorwood8782 that's actually a pretty cool idea

[@roamingimperial8971]

we have knights fighting samurai i don't think time period really matters

[@raidbugspray3291]

“i dont think any knights will come out in year 4” *2 knights come out*

[@russian_knight]

Both end up being some of the worst heros we've gotten

[@haydenhazelrig4550]

@@russian_knight nah they're the best... Just bullshit

[@scissorlizardfish4429]

I really like the idea of the pseudo offensive stance with the shield on their back, that would be badass

[@zyre5362]

We made the same comment at almost the same time, wow

[@scissorlizardfish4429]

Great minds lol

[@SoI_Badguy]

Add an armored midget on a miniature horse and give them a lance

[@lilyzrd]

Gᴜᴛꜱ • ᏖᏂᏋ ᏂᎧᏬᏁᎴ Ꭷƒ ᎴᏗᏒᏦᏁᏋᏕᏕ dwarven viking on a horse

[@tsartoast7777]

It’s not entirely unbelievable

[@billymays5958]

Is nobody going to talk about 7:12

[@dmonicplays8374]

"A civilian running around with a rapier would look weird with other, fully-armored kni-" *Gladiator eyes glow*

[@patrickbonnette1701]

*Stares menacingly at toes.*

[@fallencrusader2975]

Then the winged Hussars arrived

[@josefcerny4620]

14:00 *local man backstabs himself trying to show off*

[@GoGoDani]

The homicide detective: "No no no, run the prints again. There is no way that he did this to himself, it just doesn't make sense."

[@predadorcris]

It's so nice knowing that I'm not the only one that wants a cavalry saber in the game.

[@armintor2826]

I would really like to see how ubisoft would make a two handed flail character

[@GoGoDani]

That would be quite interesting, although I don't know if they would keep their "no feinting" policy with a two handed flail since that would seriously affect the hero's performance.

[@wolvenedvard3049]

I would imagine an estoc instead of a rapier, it would have armor

[@GoGoDani]

I could see that, but then it's not a rapier and it wouldn't use rapier techniques. It would more or less use longsword techniques. Regardless a rapier hero would be cool.

[@wolvenedvard3049]

I’d love axe and shield too tho

[@GoGoDani]

In theory we could replace the warhammer with an axe and use the same concept. But axe and shield I feel like belongs to the Vikings.

[@wolvenedvard3049]

GoGoDani Ah well, yeah. I’d love an oval celtic like shield with a “long” handled axe. I have in mind a hybrid or a vanguard, and would give him superior block to deal a “deflect” like damage just with a shield punch, pressing r1 maybe. I would give him only one ub from one direction (kinda like shaman), and the full block stance would make him “hook” the opponent for a throw to a wall for a heavy. He would be able to deflect unblockable attacks, but not bashes, and fullblock would work normally, not like bp. He would not have crushing counters, and would have standard chains for 2 or 3 hits. His heavies would deal a standard 29 damage, and his ub 35. Maybe to close distances he would have a dash attack, chainable with his normal attacks. And maybe a bash after his heavy starters.

[@RedCrusader-ph2vk]

Okay, listen, I have an idea. Hear me out. New knight hero: *_Gauntlet Sword_*

[@albedokreideprinz9205]

No more knight please there are other factions

[@haydenhazelrig4550]

@@albedokreideprinz9205 For Honor devs: hmm knight faction go brrrr

[@cinderthemw]

I dont know if this has been posted yet but the new hero was leaked today. It's a assasin classes wu lin called lingdao wielding a tonfas. I least that's what the leak said. It on r/forhonor

[@hydrothiefmusic5833]

Yo can you send me a link on my insta:HydroThiefMusic Thanks!! i really want to see this 😝

[@GoGoDani]

I heard but I haven't seen it yet. I'm going to look soon.

[@generic4012]

The channel killjoy roger has a video on the leak FYI

[@kurkaze6597]

Im from the future. It's not here. :(

[@jjkrayenhagen]

If you want to bring in fire arms, I think a Muskateer could work. Then people would get their rapier. Maybe for the offhand they could use a cloak wrapped around their arm to deflect and trap attacks. They could shoot a pistol like Valkyrie's javelin or the Samurai's bow. Another possible Knight hero for me would be a Robin Hood type character with a quarterstaff. They could switch attacks between either end of the staff quickly. Or as just a reskin of the Shaolin. Speaking of reskins, you mentioned a Spartan for Valkyrie and a Landsknecht for Highlander. What about one for Warlord that's Scottish/Irish themed that's got a basket hilted broadsword and targ with a big spike on it. As for sabers, I would put off saber style swords for either a Middle Eastern or Indian faction.

[@canadianyanky8565]

So I've had these ideas for a while now, and a lot of the things you said I've been saying since the release of glad. So here's my take... For a Rapier hero- a musketeer... He would be a hybrid between an assassin and a vanguard. Vibrant clothing, under it you could see parts of breastplate, hidden bits of small plate armor under the jacket/cloak I don't exactly like the idea of guns in combat but obviously a musketeer would use it. History shows early firearms almost useless against plate armor meaning they were both inaccurate and weak (bows out performed early firearms) so seeing how he's part assassin his deflect, when performed he doesn't actually deflect it its just a very skillful dodge (make it elegant add a little twirl) where he avoids the blade entirely and there is multiple punishes one would be a heavy input, where after the twirl he steps back drawing an early flintlock pistol and fires a round into the chest dealing heavy damage, however this deflect CAN BE PUNISHED due to the time it takes to perform (you can dodge it or hit him out of hit) this punish can be fainted. The other deflect option is a light input using the rapier and like Valks shoulder pin running the blade into their shoulder. And finally a GB input where he twirls under the attack draws his sidearm and pistol whips the enemy causing a stun effect. (Similar to aramusha's ring the bell) The hero would have a basic moveset with most of his attacks being able to chain, and be very aggressive. another note he doesn't block. Look at the size of any rapier and you'll see the only thing you can counter effectively is another rapier. (if watching PK block highlander wasnt unrealistic enough i would hate to see a toothpick stop a claymore) So instead of blocking when your guard matches that of your opponent he performs a quick back step (watch most rapier duels and its very common)

[@dannyavarice]

I've thought of a Knight character that I've called the Sapper. They would wear a padded jerkin and a steel skullcap. Their weapon would he a billhook and their fighting style specializes in manipulating enemy placement (kinda like Gladiator or Nuxia) and area denial. Feats would be mostly trap oriented and debuffs. I like the idea of shaking things up, kind of like how Nuxia did (whether it's effective or not). Having a command grab against Guardbreaks instead of block stance or parries is where my mind goes. But I keep thinking, is that really going to be groundbreaking and useful? Probably not, but it is different. Different isn't always better though.

[@dunkin.-.8830]

I like that

[@EA-wr2xg]

To add onto your talk about being outside the time range, the knights have access to black powder weapons

[@walterblack8698]

I think it’s pretty funny how we got 2 knight hero’s

[@Kal_Nightmare]

Well, we now know that this didn't turn out how you predicted, but it's still an interesting idea to add a hero with a real warhammer (Sorry Jorm, I like you but you just have a maze) and a real kite shield for a future knight hero, or some of the other concepts that you gave. Even though I liked warmonger and gryphon, I feel like they could have been more creative in weapons and armor variaty for a new hero.

[@Vepantteri]

I really loved the shield hero idea! The one with the two stances

[@shalbeenatit]

I want a cocky knight that fights with one hand behind his back

[@theberserkerarmor6511]

A knight with a rapier would fit that perfectly.

[@agentspaniel4428]

The three musketeers

[@lorenzograssi9978]

The Chinese used gunpowder very well so maybe a hero who has a weapon and who could shoot and have a nice arsenal, so if the Wu Lin have to gain a new hero, why not have a shooting hero?

[@AsianSadge]

See, I also want a warhammer hero, but I don’t think it should be a knight. I think jorm needs a complete redesign. The character has literally been a disappointment from the moment she came out and now she’s just incredibly weak yet somehow still annoying as hell. You’re damn right she’s a cent rework because in the old hero training vids they got rid of, cent’s jab would knock oos opponents down. They literally took cent pre-release and named him jorm. So here’s my idea that I think would make a significant portion of the community happy: just extend the shaft of jorms hammer and give her a completely new moveset. What that moveset is idk but it’s open for discussion and hopefully it won’t be as annoying as the stamina bully we currently have. I would like to keep the ground slam because it’s a hammer of course I want a ground slam but I don’t think the entire kit should revolve around getting your opponent on the ground. The only reason, I think, that this wouldn’t happen is then the animators would have to go and change up a lot of existing emotes and executions, which I can see some not being happy about. It also seems like it could be difficult cause a couple of them just wouldn’t work with a longer hammer. But, since they have more time this year only releasing 2 heroes, I genuinely hope they at least think about a jorm redesign.

[@GoGoDani]

This sounds like a good idea, but it would also mean more work for Ubi and I doubt they would want to do that. Also, the short shaft on the hammer is meant to represent the type of hammer Thor uses. It's the same reason they went with the ridiculously large head on the hammer.

[@AsianSadge]

GoGoDani yeah, I get that ubi’s resources are strained and this could be too much, but I still like to think about it from time to time. But, since they’re improving the game so much we’ll eventually get to a point where the game’s biggest issue is how stupid jorm is and then hopefully they’ll do something about her then.

[@darthplagueis13]

I think Jorm is kind of weird anyways. I mean, he's a viking hero, warhammers weren't particularily common in that culture because that was before plate armour and against chain mail and textile armour there's just no reason to have warhammers (Thors Hammer is based on hammers as tools, not the more sophisticated weapon). I get that it's based on Mjölnir, but I think we need to keep in mind a few things there: 1: Norse Mythology actually acknowledges that Mjölnirs shaft is considerably shorter than it should be. It's due to Loki interfering with its creation because he had an ongoing bet with the dwarfs who created the hammer (a bet he still ended up losing which resulted in him having his mouth sewn shut). 2: Thor is after all a god, and the strongest of the bunch, too. Thus, he gets to quite literally throw around unreasonably sized items. 3: Many people think of the Marvel version when talking about Mjölnir, but earlier depictions show that the hammer likely was not believed to look like this by practicioners of norse mythology. It's not really supposed to be a massive brick of magical iron but just a maybe slightly bigger mallet or sledgehammer with a shortened shaft. In order for Jorm to work with a longer ranged blunt weapon they'd have to change it to a mace or club instead.

[@raymondpan7093]

Someone just leaked the new hero move set. Apparently it’s a new WuLin hero assassin class called LingDao. For the knights, there may be since the beginning of the year showed a character with a mace and shield.

[@slicero2574]

I know it makes next to no sense, but this whole game makes no sense, but I want a pirate/duelist. Give me a cutlass or rapier in one hand and a flintlock in the other so I can dance around my enemies like Jack Sparrow. I mean, just a duelist with a flintlock feat would be fun for me, but having all the feats combo with one another like how Warmonger has it would be great. Again, I know this makes literally no sense, but if a gladiator and centurion are fighting against a Ronin and shinobi and nobody bats an eye, I'm sure we could get away with it. Plus, end of the Samurai era and the golden age of pirating (off the top of my head, at least) lines up damn near perfectly. If you've seen the post about a DND group with a pirate, Victorian thief, gunslinger, and samurai you know what I'm talking about

[@thevoicej2511]

“I do not think the knights are going to get a hero in year 4” :( “Technically, we already have a hero using Rapier and dagger techniques... the problem comes up with uniqueness and necessity” :’( “Make it unique enough compared to the current roster” :’(( “Adding a montante/Zweihander to the game just isn’t feasible” ::’(( “A unique weapon that would be new to the roster” ::’((( “Some people quite do not like unblockables that can net damage” :::’((( Why must Ubi hurt us this way?

[@queti486]

"Tell me whyyy?" It's impressive how he predicts the new here by describing the worst choice possible

[@tylerraading-kenny3097]

This is really complex and interesting to hear, I love the ideas

[@narrowstone5363]

If you ask me, I think they should add a "ranged" character. Like, a gun-sword or pistol-knife hybrid weapon. Shooting wouldn't deal any damage (unless it's a feat), but would rather act like a bash , or only deal damage after parrying. Parrying a heavy and press x, You shoot your pistol or gun-sword to blind the enemy, hold x to deal damage (that is only guaranteed after a light Parry). The widget would be where the bullet would hit the target, so your opponent would be able to block or Dodge it off a heavy Parry. Holding x from neutral would shoot bash the target from range (albiet a short range), allowing you to close the distance for a heavy (like a pk Dodge). Pressing x during a combo would shoot the weapon, bashing the target and serving to lead into multiple combos (like a centurion punch)

[@samfish2550]

I kinda like the idea of a bill used by a night portrayed as a sort of every man's man, a foot soldier, clad in gambasin and poor man's plate (can't remember the actual name) who has proved his worth over many battles. The play style being foucused on spaceing via throwing your enimies around, sort of like a reversed Bushi in some ways.

[@Anonymous-fy7vt]

Orochi uses a civilian weapon. Katana

[@SwitchFeathers]

Way back in 2018, before Marching Fire was launched, I actually posted a big suggestion in the For Honor Forums about 3 new classes for each roster: For the Knights, I envisioned a sword-and-shield style "crusader" knight (which we got in the form of Black Prior), a rapier-and-cloak hybrid, and a zwiehander and full gothic plate heavy. In the same thread I also suggested a hybrid Samurai with a staff and martial arts techniques ( we got Shaolin), a heavier Samurai with metal armour and a nagamaki (which we _sort of_ got with Zhanhu) and a Viking heavy with a big hammer (we got Jormungandr) The thread is still up, although the images I used in it have long-since expired, I find it interesting that out of the 9 classes I suggested, we've practically gotten an almost 1-1 or at least similar analogue for 4 of them so far. I feel like the rapier-and-cloak style would be unique enough to warrant a new class, and I think a fully armoured zwiehander weilding knight who plays more like the Kensei rather than the Warden would also work very well in the game. You can read the thread here if you'd like! forums.ubisoft.com/showthread.php/1861065-9-New-class-suggestions

[@kuick6814]

BTW, on the topic of rapiers, they would almost definitely not be able to pierce LB’s armor. As you said, the rapier is a civilian weapon, and is used in self-defense. Most attackers wouldn’t be decked out in full plate armor. If we do want a thrusting sword which can pierce LB, we would need something closer to the French “estoc” (basically a two-handed rapier with a lot more weight), which would be interesting and fun to play.

[@expecting747]

I really like the war hammer hero idea sounds awesome

[@FloraOchFauna]

Hell yeah, someone finally recognised the messer! I do HEMA as well, I’m currently studying Leckuchner Messer, and I will die on the hill that it would be great in FH, and I would main them in an instant

[@brianmiddleton4697]

An idea for a hero with a rapier could be a possible full guard stance where if you attack the hero in the stance, the hero will perform a kind of 20-30 dmg parry. Susceptible to guard break almost like a bulwark counter. Sorry this is a month late, just discovered this underrated channel and am now binging.

[@notbotellis914]

Boy this aged well

[@McJollyGreen]

Also my wishlist for knight DLC has always been an arming sword knight with hidden stance, like a wandering mercenary who fights dirty invoking that bronn fight from season 1 of GoT, lots of gambeson and proper mail hauberk armor styles. Like that manuscript from the crusader bible of the short sleeve knight swinging the baby around. In terms of mechanics I thought itd be neat having an evasive hidden stance knight.

[@dmonicplays8374]

I have an idea for a rapier-hero: instead of using a rapier and parry dagger, we could have a rapier and sword-breaker dagger. The sword-breaker dagger has hooks on the blade to catch swords when blocking, so maybe the rapier hero could have some special guard stance or something like if you shift your guard one way, the SBreaker dagger blocks the other side but that side is a reflex guard. I dunno, I just wish the Sword-Breaker was more represented in games (and before you ask, yes, this DID IN FACT EXIST IN HISTORY)

[@McJollyGreen]

"Knights wont get another hero in year 4" BITCH YOU THOUGHT!

[@sanguineregis5354]

I really want a billhook character and have spent way too much time thinking of a moveset, and ive come up with one that idk if its historically accurate but could be cool, and kinda centers around entering a stance. Basically, this stance has him strike with the pommel side(?) (Side w/o the hook) and bring the hook behind him, so that the pommel (?) Is pointed towards the opponent while the hook is behind you, primed for a strike. . It can be followed up with a quick jab w/ the pommel into a heavy or go into an undodgeable zone attack. His zone would also be a bit fun. It'd be two parts like some other hero's zones. The first part is a sweep around him going right to left (if done from the stance its undodgeable). If allowed to finish, hell perform a downward slash in front of him (attack from the top) for the second part. It can be hard-feinted after the first part or soft-feinted into a right stab in place of the downward slash. I also imagine him having a sort of charged heavy that would also be a bit unique. Instead of charging into an unblockable, it charges into a drag. Basically, the attack doesnt become undodgeable or anything or even slow down. Holding down the heavy attack prevents you from feinting but causes you to drag towards you w/ the hook to inflict bleed should the heavy connect. It can then be followed up with a quick stab or you can go into the aforementioned stance. I think this would be fun to play and interesting to fight, and as I mentioned ive got No clue of the historical accuracy of it. I was just kinda inspired by a HEMA duel i saw of two guys with bardiches and saw no reason why some of what they did couldn't be dome with a billhook.

[@menorthegreat9955]

I know that we have the conqueror with his flail, but I would really like to see a hero using a mace, I know that we have the Viking that almost has the same utility as the mace, but I would just like to see something better than him, that it is much more worked, perhaps as a complement to a back shield where it can go in a more defensive way, and the larger club as offensive. just an idea like any other.

[@Fjellgren]

A spartan/hoplite with a double moveset like highlander would be great. Imagine that he has a moveset for spear and a moveset for sword. His T1 feats could all be related to the spear where he could throw, perform some kind of severe impaling that shatters the spear or other spear related techniques that would transition automatically to the sword moveset and with some cooldown or other mechanic like picking up the thrown spear he could transition back to the spear moveset. I think this could be qualified as totally different from any other shield hero.

[@itsniko9561]

I think that the new hero is the axe and tower shield knight statue that has spread out with his statues I think it fits with the theme and they have been giving us stuff we have asked for like Apollyon I wouldn’t be surprised if it was him

[@elinalder2145]

So, I have been thinking of the idea for the hoplite. What if he had a regular sized spartan shield, but he attacks with a xiphos. I would ditch the spear because they were meant to be used in a phalanx with the soldiers kitted for the same purpose. Without them, it would be very difficult to fight to fight 1 on 1 while holding a 30 lb. shield. He could have a simple two hit chain with heavies and lights like jorm. He can also have a bash that is chained from a dash. This could send the opponent flying like tiandi, but doesn’t guarantee a punish. There could also be a option like an area attack where he could strike with the edge of the shield, causing a loss of damage and a stun, but still doesn’t guarantee a finish. He could have feats centered around helping his team and being within proximity of them. Both would be unblock-able but still feint-able. He could have a change in sword options since Ubisoft wanted to go ahead and add unrelated weapons to Odyssey. So maybe he could have options that range to a kopis. Lastly, he can have an all guard stance like bp that just blocked every attack. Maybe since it’s such a heavy shield, guard breaking him in this stance doesn’t give a punish, but instead takes him out of the stance. I dunno, I’m just speculating a possibility. It’s hard to put a Spartan, especially a hoplite in a game of 4v4 where everyone is running around the map with no sense of order or formation. It would be such an alien environment for a spartan and almost impossible to logically use if you don’t change the typical gear and style of one.

[@bisongaming729]

I like the idea of a partisan or sword staff. Something with thrusts and range on heavies and slashes with lights

[@darthplagueis13]

I think a Katzbalger for a Landsknecht hero would just be a bit of an odd choice. Thing is, those were very specifically sidearms, a blade to fall back on if there wasn't enough space for the Zweihänder or Polearm or if you were getting rushed as a ranged fighter. That'd be like having a viking hero who primarily uses a Seax, sure it would be a typical weapon, but a Viking Warrior still would have a sword, ax or spear to use in battle and only fall back to the Seax if they had to. A Langes Messer would be more thesible, though it isn't specifically associated with the Landsknecht but instead just generally speaking a somewhat affordable late medieval sword style.

[@garrettharriman6333]

I think an English Billman (as in man armed with a polearm known as a Bill) could be fun. Bills were, if I'm not mistaken, were considered a lower-class or mercenary weapon. What I'm seeing as far as fighting style is something of a cross between a lawbringer and a shaolin. Big heavy swings that could be soft-feinted into something like the qi stance. The Billman could then hit with a light or catch an incoming attack with a hook move to drag them around or knock the opponent down.

[@leonake4194]

A rapier and buckler or rondel I believe it was called that way, The spanish conquistadors used a kind of ground troop called the rodelero that consisted of a top heavy armored soldier with a rapier and a small buckler shield. It could be a sort of hybrid of pk and gladiator or pk and vortigern

[@ealinkubicki6256]

I think it’d be pretty cool to see a heavily armored knight wielding a peasant flail. I know we already have a flail in the game but the peasant flail, being a heavy, two-handed weapon, would operate quite differently. I don’t know exactly how it would work but the knights could do with an offensive heavy hero.

[@whitemountain_]

And here we stand, a Warmonger and a Gryphon later, with a (supposed) Zweihänder and a (comically large) Bardiche, respectively. The predictions were impressive, but Ubisoft was Ubisoft and made them unnecessarily unrealistic.

[@agonizedcash5653]

I think a rapier could work if they paired it with a “ sword breaker dagger.” While the name was far fetched from what it’s actual purpose was, the sbd ( as I’m going to call it) was a dagger used to “ catch” swords. It had a deep ridged spine to catch the sword but was trash

[@lightlysmokedavocado7722]

I think an evening star knight would be cool Their main feature would be an alternate stance similar to highlander in which they sacrifice slight range and damage to gain very fast attack speeds by holding the evening star extremely high up the handle close to the "hitty part" (I'm not great with medieval history) I'd also like to see chargeable heavy attacks similar to Shugoki except rather than applying unblockable and increasing the damage it instead applies a stunning effect and slight bleed (due to the spikes on the "hitty part")

[@celtic9558]

Well now it’s possible we might get a Zweihander character according to the frame of the season title and the tease of a possible new character in the trailer.. Even though you’re right about it not making sense now that we have a zweihander style character like highlander, there is another character that the new hero could take inspiration from: Kensei. Kensei actually uses a style where he can soft feint most of his attacks, and that’s usually how a montante or a zweihander is used. Maybe there will be a mix between highlander and Kensei where he has crushing counters, but could soft feint any heavy to a light or heavy attack from any direction. Maybe even have an offensive stance where the heavy would be unblockable but could be soft feinted to a regular heavy with hyper armor. Idk but I’m impatient to see this new character and his move style because i have no idea how it would work. And I’ve always noticed since I started playing that there is no way I could make my sword look like a zweihander or even close to it.

[@jacopodelbo5122]

0:28 "In my opinion I do not think the knights are going to get a new hero in year 4"

[@DanateDMC]

Instead of that ONLY KNIGHTS WILL GET A NEW HERO IN YEAR 4

[@Beorneofmercia449]

I think the closest we got with a landsknecht was inbetween highlander and warmonger since warmongers weapon is a model kin to the weapon

[@omermithatsorguven4312]

Everybody gangsta until the guy who has been trained since he was kid and all of his culture is fighting enters the battlefield

[@Luke-ig1xz]

The civilian weapon thing doesn't hold water, because we've got Gladiator out here bringing a fishing tool to war so really there are no limitations on such things.

[@hotrod2246]

I would like to see an Ancient Greece spartan that had the round shield with either a spear or the sword they have, it would be even cooler if they could do both and have a way to switch

[@jcgacio94]

If we thing about what the devs are doing, it seems like they are mixing primordial concepts and creating some other new ones to complement them. We have superior blocks/crushing counters, dodge attacks, full blocks, deflects, guaranteed second hits, soft faints, bleed, traps stances, undodgable and unblockable attacks (let me know if I forgot anything). How could they create a spartan warrior? I love the idea but I'm trying to think of ways of getting away from valk mechanics in terms of heavy soft faint to bash. The first thing that comes to my mind is a hero capable of fight kind of drawing circles. JJ comes to my mind for some reason, a heavy hero with nice dodge attacks and soft faints that is based on a zone combat system I'd say. Imagine the spartan "swinging" his spear and "dancing" as his big hoplon (shield) was always in place to cover his body. I've also thought of the zone attack as a less stamina draining move for him (a move you could use mid combo, just like zhanhu) and a full block from which he could throw lights (shaolin connecting lights style) and heavies. He wouldn't be as agile as valk of course or as "dancy" as JJ, he would be a rather agile heavy based on creating a safety space the way conq does (conq is not that agile but his safety zone/space is pretty clear). He should have some type of bash too but due to the weight of the shield, I couldn't be too fancy or easy to implement during combos. What do you guys think? I think this is what the devs are doing, mixing existing ideas as they create new little moves to keep it fresh.

[@themightymidget5021]

Am I the only one who thinks a pirate would be neat somewhere down the line? Your discussion of firearms made me think of my desire to see a burly pirate of sorts. Of course he could fight with a traditional cutlass, but could also use "dirty tactics" like sand in the eyes, cheap shots. Use of firearms an other tools that pirates were known for. Not to mention the customization they could give us for a pirate. I doubt it'll happen but as a pirate fan it would be a awesome character to see in a game as unique as FH

[@smoothseeker6196]

Might be a little late but my pitch is a more renaissance style full played night with the bird beak helmet. You know the one. Anyway he is given a sheild and a pike. The sheild will be the more cone shaped style sheild. With the narrow bottom and round top. But also a little places on the sides of the sheild for the hero to fit his pike in. Now Valkyrie lundges, but this guy more so shanks and stabs. Not ludging out to stab you but using his sheild to protect himself as he shanks his opponent. This could work by having it so where his weapon will attack from, his sheild will block the other side. Exept for tops. That would be normal. It will ad a bit more spice to the game as well giving people new ways to think and fight this man and for him to fight back.good ways to fight him is to parry his attacks, dodge and hit from his sides knocking his shielding off. Or other ways not even I can think of. Could this idea be tweaked and improved upon. Maybe i just want to think about this idea a bit and how it could work before brushing it aside

[@x.kodeh.x]

"...These new hero's need to be unique IN their own right..." *laughs in Gryphon*

[@Dauntles101]

A Spanish Conquistador could possibly fit the rapier and armor style. but I do see your point, came to accept it round the start of year 2.

[@AidanAlexanderOfficial]

my idea for the spartan was have a weapon swap type thing like you play with spear and shield but you can throw the spear (or shield) then you switch to a sword and have to go and collect the spear to use it again

[@windhelmguard2405]

19:05 CURVED. SWORDS,

[@wildfree1409]

A saber character could be something like a medieval nobleman,imagine Olgierd von Everec from Witcher,and with cavalry armor options too

[@The_Blank_Guy]

Really liked the idea of a Lawbringer but with a Zweihander.

[@alec-1134]

Hey, I found your channel by chance recently I've been enjoying your content and I subbed to your channel! I look forward to more content you make.

[@ladahieno2382]

Finally someone who has included Winged hussar in such video :D:D:D:D

[@kekdermott3055]

If they do a rapier character for the knights maybe they could have them be a musketeer type of character. This would of course make him an assassin type, but to make him unique from PK they could implement different rapier moves and firearms into his fighting style but not as a feat as an actual move, most likely this would be a flintlock pistol which would do alot of damage but just like in reality its extremely inaccurate due to no rifling and of course it's a pain in the ass to reload so theres no way your reloading it mid battle to counter this perhaps the Musketeer (which is what we'll call this character) could have more then one (like how Edward Kenway could have 4 pistols in AC 4) or his pistol could have multiple barrels (like Arno Dorian in AC Unity) if they don't do that perhaps they could have fight using a flintlock musket with a plug bayonet which would be rather interesting to see.

[@grumgle2521]

If they add a greatsword knight hero his move set should consist of sweep attacks his first attack can be soft fainted into a zone which would be similar to conqs zone but has more range, and if they continue with the combo do what ever attack combo then cancel recovery into a nobushi sort of stance and have thrust since greatswords also could disform pike formations.

[@zyre5362]

I like the idea of the pseudo offensive stance, but I don't know how they would implement it. Edit: fixed typo

[@banjo5224]

I think it would be cool to add an anglo-saxon faction where you could have the fyrd so peasants with makeshift weapons such as a scythe class and the housecarls with their axes some could have the round shields too Feats for the housecarls could include shield wall: they move slower but gain a bar of armour for a short time Specially trained: They gain an attack buff for its duration

[@TheTXoso]

As said by the writer of for honor the game technically takes place in current time technically because a 1000 year war took place during the game and this was said during a warriors den while pope(Dev) was still around. So that may explain while there are so many things out of place set time wise. Also I think a zweihander could work there are a few manuscripts that use plenty of other techniques that they could very well use and even implement the use of parry hooks as his gimmick.

[@darthplagueis13]

They could also start by not making it slow and heavy. Like, the "longsword" that warden is using looks like it's already twice the weight of what a good greatsword should have. Make it just a bit more nimble.

[@maxwelldavidson4157]

New knight idea: the Squire Runs around with a little buckler and a dinky sword. Looks like a minion and has no health, but runs around and carries other heroes' weapons, giving them bluffs and maybe early renown tiers or something.

[@noisetank6620]

It’s a bit out there but I’d want a knight with a whip with stubs on it idk if they use whips in medieval times or if they even used them as weapons but it sound unique

[@raul88.88]

I would like a Vlad the Impaler style hero...a hero that could use a long spear or a wallachian sword and have some bleed attacks then an impale mechanic (just like Shaman's)...

[@colehaney8836]

I think a partisan guy could be really fun if they can keep him different from all the other spear guys

[@uiop_6096]

With the kite shield they could make it sharper at the bottom to maybe like stab the opponent in the toes like gladiator

[@RepugnantRevered]

Love the vid, but gameplay tip, out of stamina punish for bp is light heavy chain into unblockable mixup

[@youngstay2989]

I honestly think that the spartan guy would be like some sort of warlord skin

[@tyresebrown5703]

Ok I am loving the idea of a German landskencht, like imagine if the guy speaks in German. Totally rad. Now I love the idea of a flanged mace/Morningstar, which could even fit into your idea about the Warhammer hero. No matter what I am so stoked for the new hero

[@tramachi7027]

I still want a Germanic-themed Barbarian for the Viking faction. Given how they made a Celtic Highlander *and their literal most enemy they fought for like...Forever* (namely the Roman Heros) I want them and I want them bad. Also I feel like Warden, being German. Deserves armor thats more ackin to the Baltic Crusaders (Teutonic and Livonian Order). I mean. Their looks are unrivaled and will strike the feel of an actual knight in Warden. Also Ubi can go crazy on Helm customization as Tournament Helmets often had pretty unique designs and attachments to them.

[@codeyank]

I've been wanting a warhammer hero like almost exactly as you describe for a long time, or something similar, just with an axe for the vikings.

[@coldeed]

i want to see a warhammer or warpick. The could carry a targe with it and use it mostly for defense that is a bit more compact and easier to manure than warlords round shield with a good focus of blocking moves while dodging and being good at pressuring into mixups. The main idea being certain moves will be able to pull the guard down mid combo for minor damage. I'd like to see another shield hero thats not a heavy as using a shield typically makes heavier armor a bit more redundant if your rocking high quality armor already. Either that or a eveningstar would be a fun concept, but that could be really similar to jorm or lawbringer. This is also me taking account the newer heroes for all factions atm are all not vanguards, so if is intended for most factions to have 2 of each "class" then vanguard would be next if we ever get another

[@kipa3598]

I would love to see the samurai use arquebus as a feat. like it's the freaking sengoku era.

[@turul1188]

I think a byzantine like cataphract would be fun too. I know they were cav but it would be new looks and (s)he could have a mace and a shield or just a bigger mace.

[@DripLordGogeta]

If a hero has a greatsword (may it be the zweihander, a flamberge, whatever) i'm gonna use it. That's why I love highlander, I just love his weapon and I've studied and practiced with that weapon before even discovering for honor

[@iknownothing1990]

What if instead of a Spartan they did something more akin to Achilles and the Myrmidons from Troy? They could have a unique ability to switch back and forth from short sword/falchon like spartans used and a spear/shield switched using a mechanic like hidden stance. Maybe Spear/Shield Stance and Sword Stance with Shield/Spear on their back. They could have an all guard ability like Aramusha where they do a spin which deflects attacks off the shield on their back to give you a guaranteed light deflect. It could even deflect multiple opponents like BP's flip. It could be a Heavy/Assassin Hybrid. This could fill the Spartan desire without directly calling it a spartan.

[@tredm4272]

For the light armor warhammer knight, if he could move people with the hook like you said then I think if someone hits his all guard stance the it would do the same thing

[@terrorbilly3367]

i've gotten a concept of the hussar hero and he would have been called "Sarmat" it has great customization like just look how polish noblemen looked they were looking like pimps and also they were still rocking also saber would be a great addition but i think it carries one problem with it it was a swift weapon so some player may say hussar is a orochi clone but more tanky but i think solution of deflect for this her would have make him great

[@rexus8569]

A Scandinavian swordstaff/atgeir hero with either full plate, or a plate mail mix (not like warden). Make him taller than warden but shorter than lawbringer and make him a heavy.

[@descendfromaesirs2769]

I'd like to see a new type of gladiator, a Dimacheros specifically. I think gladiators like the Mirmillone or the Secutores are too similar to other heros already in the game (the Prior fights in a similar way, for example). Just think about a new assassin hero with two short swords and a realistic fight style based on skills and reaction time, maybe using some physical moves like the Centurion. Can be a beautiful idea I think.

[@dunkin.-.8830]

I have an Idea (pretty ridicilous but since you mentioned Firearms why not) that they could add an Hero to the Knights Faction, that uses some sort of Firearm like a Wheel Lock, Dog Lock, Flintlock etc or even a breech Loader. He would have a limited amount of Bullets, lets say 5 per Match. But instead of being able to drag people to himself like Shinobi, he'd fire a round that would deal stun Damage but not as much damage as lets say, a heavy, inbetween a zone and a light. When in close combat, he could use his Rifle to beat the Opponents, like we can see in Assassin's Creed Unity. Maybe they could put like a Bayonnet to make him a little stronger in close Combat.

[@kevinnorwood8782]

I also would love to see the Winged Hussars in this game, but I would want them as part of a separate faction than the Knights (or maybe as a sub-faction to the Knights based more on Cavalry Warfare). My original idea for them was an Eastern European faction, with the Winged Hussars representing Poland. I was also thinking about Cataphracts to represent the Byzantines, and would also include the Magyars to represent Hungary and some class to represent Romania (maybe the Boyars or some other group, or better yet Dragon Knights to represent the Order Of The Dragon, the group Vlad Tepes belonged to!).