Myths About Getting Into Cyber Security Debunked By The National Cyber Director

Harry Coker, Jr. was confirmed by the Senate on December 12, 2023 as the second National Cyber Director in the Office of the National Cyber Director, the White House. Director Coker is a retired Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) senior executive and career Naval Officer, is a graduate of the US Naval Academy, the Naval Postgraduate School, and Georgetown University Law Center.
Coker completed a joint duty assignment as the Executive Director of the National Security Agency (NSA). As the third in command of the largest component of the US Intelligence Community, he directly supported NSA’s Director and Deputy Director in the strategic and day-to-day leadership of the Agency. Coker’s service to the Nation and NSA was recognized with the awarding of the National Intelligence Distinguished Service Medal, the NSA Director’s Distinguished Service Medal, and the IC EEOD Outstanding Leadership Award.
During the first seventeen years of his service with the CIA, Coker was assigned to leadership positions in the Directorate of Digital Innovation; the Directorate of Science & Technology; and the Director’s Area. Key assignments included service as Director of the Open Source Enterprise, which is responsible for leveraging publicly available information; and as Deputy Director of CIA’s Office of Public Affairs, which is responsible for the Agency’s internal and external communications and media relations. Coker was also a member of the small, hand-selected team of senior officers that architected the Agency’s organizational construct and operating model. He also had a key role in formulating and executing the Diversity in Leadership Study; and served on the Executive Diversity & Inclusion Council. Coker’s leadership and contributions earned him the Presidential Rank Award and CIA’s prestigious Don Cryer Award for Diversity & Inclusion.
National Cyber Director, Harry Coker, sat down with Forbes Senior Writer Jabari Young to discuss the challenges the US faces with regards to cyber security threats and the myths that stop people from seeking jobs in the field.
0:00 Introduction
0:31 What's New About The ITI Conference And Its Purpose
1:55 Coker Gives Credit To Congress
3:53 America's Infrastructure: What Do We Need To Know?
6:11 How Could Improved Infrastructure Help Populated Areas Like New York & New Jersey?
7:43 Child Protections Online: What Should Government Regulations Be?
10:16 Harry Coker's Background
15:06 The Impact Of Diversity In Job Hiring
17:29 Coker's Stance On Job Equity And Fulfilling The Role Of National Cyber Director
18:49 Technology And Voting
21:03 Cybersecurity And National Security: Both Are Vital
23:07 A Good Partnership vs. A Great One
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[@sammajor2075]

As an African-American Air Force veteran,breaking into the cybersecurity field,this interview means the world to me.

[@VanguardxGaming]

Hey sir I am also an African American who is looking to join the Air Force for a cyber security AFSC I’m in my mid 20s my plan is to do one enlistment and then get out and work cyber or do something called palace chasing, I do two years active then finish the rest in the guard or reserves. I have my comptia sec + and I have a passion for cyber. Should I join the Airforce first ?

[@sammajor2075]

@@VanguardxGaming Absolutely. That sounds like a solid plan.

[@greg7404]

Thank you for your service to our country.

[@MrRandyMarsh1]

Good luck to you brother . I’m also of the same race and just MEB retired from the AF and also considering the same. Go put the gi bill to use!

[@mikedc]

If you know you know this interview is cap. Tech security already laying off. So them saying they need jobs is a lie cause AI will be doing the cybersecurity not pple per say

[@davidli3582]

The biggest myth is the millions of cybersecurity jobs available

[@javonphillips1904]

They are available but they are not entry level they are usually mid to senior level

[@ghostmkc4045]

@@javonphillips1904 and how do you think they will fill up those roles when they wont promote and those that would qualify know the pay is to low for alot of these offers based off various factors in todays market?

[@Peacewithher]

😂

[@griffinkirkland9087]

@@javonphillips1904 nonetheless, it cannot nowhere compete with web dev not that there is supposed to be a competition

[@Hunty69]

Facts 😂

[@kennethrenquist9414]

Education is an issue, but the roadmap to actually starting a career in cybersecurity is hazy

[@wasdq9748]

It really is. What i've learned over time is find a speciality. initially you need to be a jack of all trades but after that. Narrow down an interest. Like RF security or Protocol security/engineer like TCP/UDP/QUIC. Each of these fields go very deep. Find one you like and dive in to the point that if you were talking to the creators of it, you could tell them why you disagree with certain aspects of it.

[@ghostmkc4045]

education isnt the issue, gatekeeping is, whether thats job promotions or business contracts to uphold certain certs over those that are clearly superior for certain corps to monetize the path to employment with not the better interest of creating better engineers, pentesters, etc. For example, CEH vs PNPT and Security+ vs OSCP. Point being is that most legacy certs are inferior today in both entry and management fields. Its a hustle, the realization is youre better off learning how to actually pentest than how to answer multiple choice questions to appease an algorithm then applying that with your own business. I guarantee you will find either clients or ppl to hire faster than it would to get hired, the irony.

[@desk-kun2366]

It totally is, plus how big tech companies approach it varies greatly from one another which adds to the vagueness.

[@redlionesv]

@@ghostmkc4045good to know

[@the951orig]

hey man, been in cyber for a decade, heres my advice: get Security+ first then start looking for help desk jobs and then make moves from there once you get years of experience in IT. that gets your foot in the door then you work on networking. opportunities present themselves and you have to jump on them

[@ZeraHorn]

Cybersecurity student at Cal State Long Beach, done this year! 🎉

[@aryacoupe5805]

have u gotten a job yet?

[@ITgenius08]

Congrats! Lmk how your job search go

[@Wavesdontdie]

Congratulations, may find favor in the job search. Dr. Gerald Auger of Simply Cyber has great resources to help empower you advantageously if you want to check them out

[@Nimbushaze]

Csulb doesn’t have a cyber major do they?

[@ZeraHorn]

@@Nimbushaze They do, just Google CSULB cybersecurity

[@lancemarchetti8673]

*Cyber Security is now a field that is extremely difficult to define in less than 25 words.*

[@iMentorCloud]

true

[@Siegefya]

Not it's not. Cyber security is virtual asset protection, the job is to protect their virtual infrastructure, it's a form of IT. I mean you can go deeper from there, red teaming, blue teaming, purple teaming...all that is are the different jobs that cuber security is divided into. It's not hard to explain at all. Blue is the defenders, red is attackers... Pretty much trying to infiltrate a company to find vulnerabilities and to test blue. Purple is like intermediary between blue and red. That's cyber security, of course it's more deep as far as description of each roles, reasons why these jobs are hard af to get.

[@bobadot]

Currently getting my Masters in Cybersecurity and these last couple of months have been detrimental to my development and perspective on the field. The January Select Committee hearing was a great watch and definitely recommend it to anyone who wants to learn about the new digital age we live in and how this can pose a serious threat to our way of life. Director Coker's words could not have come at a better time and it is important for every American to feel like they are a part of this fight because we truly all are. I know I am a Patriot by heart and I will do what I must to protect this country and my fellow brother and sisters.

[@reservoirkid24lurker15]

where can we watch the January select committee ?

[@abiygirma1925]

Why was it detrimental?

[@mikedc]

Damn you got student loans for cybersecurity lol. Meanwhile its pple working at the NSA with high school diplomas. Only thing that matters is skill and clearance. They have no college degrees but making money. School is a money n time grab.

[@mikedc]

@@reservoirkid24lurker15 cspan

[@mikedc]

@@abiygirma1925 because Congress putting pressure on social media CEOs esp tiktok

[@lilianagarcia6570]

I wish it were as easy as that. I am currently finishing up my master's in Cyber security and working in the field but with little recognition. I feel like an IT help desk person. Jobs don't want to invest in people

[@bikerunswimjb]

join the army and they will make you an officer and train you to be top in the field. patriots are REWARDED. THEY HAVE A PROGRAM LOOKING FOR YOU!

[@robertd4851]

@@bikerunswimjb AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[@DevonieNelson]

I’m also finishing my masters and I’ve found that people invest in those who invest in themselves. It may be beneficial to revamp your LinkedIn page and connections, consider attending more conferences, as well as joining local cyber organizations/groups like ISACA and WiCyS chapters in your area. Networking and continuous upskilling pay off exponentially in this industry and I’m sure many others (idk about the other industries, this is the first time I’ve tried it but it works).

[@_relle_ville_]

​@@robertd4851🦅🦅🦅 (even tho it's really a hawk)

[@MJ-bz3fw]

@@DevonieNelsonWell said and I agree!

[@ITgenius08]

I’ve been applying for jobs forever and everybody’s declining. Where are these 500,000 jobs that they’re talking about?

[@djtrepound2407]

I had the same issue for years. It took me meeting with a resume writer and getting my resume done before I started landing interviews and ultimately a job. Don’t get discouraged it can happen but there is a science to it.

[@laurenburks9085]

I've been researching different resume writers but haven't had the best outcome yet. If you don't mind me asking who did you use or did you use a specific website? @@djtrepound2407

[@NiketVania]

@@djtrepound2407Can you describe a little bit?

[@nanapoku5259]

​@@djtrepound2407 Would you share the contact info of this resume writer?

[@djtrepound2407]

@@NiketVania in my case i was looking for a government and private job sector, but i was using the same format. i had to be more detailed on the government side and less on the private sector. as well, i wasnt tailoring my resume for each job application which is crucial to stand out. another thing was a good cover letter i had to develop. lastly i updated my linkeden and started reaching out to hiring managers after i applied with a introduction.

[@raymondezell7817]

Why aren’t they being compensated monetarily, properly? Pay these people before somebody brings it all down. Definitely not something I would want to hear if I wanted to get into the field.

[@ghostmkc4045]

Its already going down and until archaic mindsets stop, itll continue. I have yet to see authority stop their cop mentalities so i doubt they will protect us adequately.

[@first-choicecyber]

It depends on the company and their budget. Hopefully, you will get to understand this if you're in the field. Some companies still aren't taking Cybersecurity seriously as well.

[@lindadukes]

I love this! I am working on Security + certification. I currently work in GRC.

[@Jonathanfootball144]

You are stunning Ma😮

[@Jonathanfootball144]

Where’s the best place to get that certificate

[@jbbin6718]

@@Jonathanfootball144 CompTia

[@shaunearle3223]

Udemy. It’s a pretty easy cert if you know the fundamentals

[@Jonathanfootball144]

@@shaunearle3223 thanks bro I am going to college for cyber sec next t year. I want to be more than ready for all courses and certificates beforehand.

[@Winthorpe]

I really enjoyed this and thank you for sharing light on Harry Coker and opportunities in the field

[@Zigzog420]

Fantastic interview! Thank you so much for this.

[@Flerri]

Don't get your hopes up fellas. I'm a navy veteran and graduate of a cybersecurity bachelor program. Certified Security+ and AWS CCP. No one in security will hire me. I work in a data center for a bug tech company and have tried to transfer over to the security team and they will not take me cuz of "lack of experience." Neither the government nor the private sector are opening entry-level positions in cyber. And in the odd chance there is such an opening, they are flooded with applicants. I'm convinced that all this talk about opportunities in cyber is just part of a large scale psyop to convince people to get into the field to create a pool of potential candidates. But the market is oversaturated with actual talent due to layoffs and now there doesn't seem to be much hope for people getting started in the field.

[@EyeBDaMD]

Thank you, brothers!

[@AlexanderJackson-wd4wm]

Incredible interview, very important questions being asked

[@TheTechSurfPodcast]

Thanks for this. Learnt something new

[@michaelbarron6687]

I would work for this man. Im interested in seeing what the future holds for our country and this field.

[@toddmaek5436]

automation

[@mikedc]

Ever heard of AI?

[@victorrivas2350]

That 16 minute time marker! That right there really motivates me to look into Cyber Security with a new light.

[@monikakress3867]

fascinating - I learned a lot. thank you! and thank you for your service to our country.

[@damonalexander8502]

This conversation came at a good time for me personally because just a couple of weeks ago I had nearly given up on cyber because of how difficult it seems to get a position. 350 applications in and no resoponses and it gets tuff to see any light at the end of the tunnel

[@tam6011]

what skills do you have? Any certs or degrees? What area of cyber are you interested in?

[@damonalexander8502]

@@tam6011 I wont lie a little more than half were before I got some simbolice of resume help but I have basic IT skills from tinkering and im building a small homelab. Im going back to school now for an AAS but I feel like I listen to too many of the wrong ppl that didn’t know much about the field. I want to do something in networking or cloud tho. Are u in the cyber field?

[@GeorgeDrippy]

The crux of it is that without a degree and experience, you won't get a job. You can get certs and create a portfolio up to a point, but it looks sketchy with higher level certs and no experience. So you're at a point, especially if you have a family to feed, that you continue working jobs with no relevance while waiting for that 1 in 500 chance you'll get an interview. There's a reason China has 50 cyber experts to our 1. It's a price we're all going to have to pay sooner or later.

[@mikedc]

That's what I said. I know friends at NSA with no college degrees. Just had the skills and got the clearance. No student loans like most who think you need college or university for jobs lol.

[@mikedc]

I thought the same. 50to1 ratio we are so behind the curve. Lol. Need AI cause human manning wise we lost that fight in cybersecurity to China

[@MalamIbnMalam]

The Chinese actually take education seriously. If you look at Chinese Cyber security experts, many of them have Masters degrees in Computer science from top schools.

[@GeorgeDrippy]

@@millieconsultancy Care to expand on this, or do you just deny for the sake of it?

[@millieconsultancy]

Was your comment about yourself or were you just generalizing?

[@irlhesays918]

Great interview!

[@DkRaijin]

Good listen

[@jhause82]

This is great content! Extremely valuable info contextualized in a relatable way.

[@JohnCutter317]

All this cyber talk bubbling over soon. People been misled and discouraged for years now and influencers from a prefious era still pushing it. If you aint got a clearance or friends with huring manager odds of somebody giving you first job drastically decreased. None of the advice online applies past like 2017

[@TerryJulianLive]

Do you truly have hard IT skills!?! A lot of IT pros don’t really have skills needed for the jobs available!

[@winngriff]

​@@TerryJulianLive Hello brother can you define "hard ITskills"

[@lodoss303]

I agree to a point… I would recommend looking into Interning, CO-OP, and DOL if you are struggling with opportunities to gain experience in Cybersecurity.

[@trey4048]

Nah. Problem is all of you think you deserve a 100k salary for having a bachelors and (maybe) an intro cert. Its a difficult field, so people doing this strictly for cash and not enjoyment will be less likely to succeed.

[@JohnCutter317]

@trey4048 literally saying tech interested people follow the nonstop advice and ads from.govt to news to schools about " cyber" and rarely do ppl.even get interviews. So as a country we either develop a pipeline or.stop talking about the millions of jobs open since they are all tier 3 literally the people dont exist

[@alexiaajordan3344]

Perfect interview! @Forbes, you're VERY SMART to host this interview on your channel. Great job 👍🏾

[@jkellam007]

Excellent work!

[@shodland6278]

Thank you

[@FarmerRiddick]

Much respect to the Director! I learned things! I looked up 'Volt Typhoon' and went to a Wiki page where I was left rather astonished. Apparently, the PLA has basically, an army sized element of 50- 100,000 personal devoted to cyber warfare. I realized, that's just China! So, when the director acknowledged there are currently upwards of 500,000 positions needed, I can see why.

[@thestreetswannaknow]

Great interview

[@mytechnotalent]

This is powerful and informative! I do have hope that we will continue to provide education to our future Engineers.

[@gianni_4]

Very insightful

[@Peacewithher]

I enjoyed this interview. I started studying Cybersecurity in July 2023.

[@ayotomiwasolarin8918]

How’s it going?

[@mikedc]

2023. You late to the party.

[@mikedc]

@@ayotomiwasolarin8918 must still be going lol

[@gh2543]

@@mikedcCut it out!!! It’s better to be late than never. The after party is always better than the party anyway. 😅

[@NemoOhd20]

Loved the video. he is a very inspiring man, and yes quite the hero.

[@waysha4709]

Awesome interview

[@sminok]

Where do we get started?

[@TheTrendDoctor]

He is not even answering the questions 😂😂😂. Like the dude asks A, and he just answers B.

[@tam6011]

what question did he not answer?

[@SunkistKush007]

Do you have to have the security + certification to qualify for one of these cybersecurity federal positions?

[@azothony8509]

These people in our US cybersecurity team need to be praised. Our lives would be horrible without them.

[@tam6011]

more than them, imjs

[@tyrojames9937]

VERY INTERESTING DISCUSSION!😀

[@carsonjamesiv2512]

GOOD INFO!

[@Pem7]

The problem in this field is one! Employers want finished products, experienced professionals. No one is willing to take a chance on beginners, blend with experienced ones and bridge the gap. This leaves a few elite, experienced ones to scramble for. Unless beginners get absorbed and be trained and learn by doing at work, the trend is here to stay. The field is gonna be saturated with certified fellows who can afford ridiculously expensive certifications with no skills and know-how!

[@BWAcolyte]

Really amazing to see two successful black people discussing this and bringing more attention to the field. Representation is so important

[@utubes720]

Successful black people are everywhere. Social media and the common folk pump up the ignorant “celebrities and influencers”. Unfollow those types and start following these better quality people and the algorithm will start showing the real world on your timeline.

[@theklone2000]

African American, Army soldier, looking to get in this field ASAP. 5 more classes till my bachelor's in Cyber Security/Network

[@BandanazX]

Unless you are former military with an active security clearance, it's real hard to break into Cybersecurity.

[@MrRandyMarsh1]

I just retired from the military with a high security clearance. It’s no longer active but in a hiatus status for 5 years. Why would you say that we have some kind of advantage in cyber ?

[@mikedc]

That's only if you want to work with federal Gov or contract work for fed gov. I know pple who dont have clearances but still make millions in cyber. Just depends on your skillset. Cybersecurity is vast.

[@mikedc]

But dont forget about the discord leak the air force guy in mass did. Makes it harder for pple to get hired now even with clearance. Frontline did a good story on the discord leaks

[@BandanazX]

@@mikedc There are a few jobs, but out here, in the LA area, 90% of the jobs require an active clearance... no chance to even get hired then get the clearance later. And the jobs that don't require a clearance are usually some sort of application specialist and are really only posted for compliance, when they are really intended for internal hiring only.

[@mikedc]

@@BandanazX LA is entertainment. You need to move to get a fed job bro.

[@lodoss303]

Love this! Great inspiration and awareness for everyone. As an IT professional I would love to contribute to the cause… Any information on how to apply?

[@LeilaSaifi]

How are there 500,000 jobs available but people on Reddit complaining they can’t get a help desk job. There’s such a huge disconnect,

[@BoGoodall]

I'm not an African American but I am a felon with no high school diploma or ged but I'm in UNLV cyber security boot camp as we speak! I'm Already a very advanced individual when it comes to cyber security I'm excited to become someone very well known in the near future

[@jonairoberson0104]

Proud of u

[@luisburgos5396]

Anyone getting there certificate through google? If so what are the pros and cons of that course program?

[@benjamindavis2475]

Get security+ or cisa, they are more credible

[@mekan4963]

This is a wonderful interview. It’s such great insight compared to the influencers that sell cybersecurity as an easy certificate and chase only money. There’s so many people that can be helped through this field, and help teach people with each developing threat.

[@first-choicecyber]

Exactly! It's definitely hard work and focus. I get annoyed when I see talks just about those areas in which I believe it's selling a false sense of the field especially for those that want to get into it. A Senior level person is probably making a lot of money but that again depends on the company that you work for or if you're also freelancing possibly. But if you get into the field there is a lot to learn and enjoy other than looking at it from just some money. You can even help out your average person who doesn't know much about protecting themselves from the basics. It's a real joy and gratitude that you get from it. Money will come.

[@mikedc]

If you really following influencers then you part of the problem. Influencers are nobodies. You give them power. Take your power back

[@keithjackson2035]

Working on my associates. Will be done in December

[@rowdyrebel9314]

Interested in switching my career to cyber how do I receive training to break in?

[@tiberiusmorris4401]

Great interview today how would you advise me to start a career in this field

[@bez787]

Security + certification is a good start

[@imanigordon6803]

Get network + get some foundational IT job experience and then security + search for security jobs after that

[@uhuruabdulsaleem-clifton1596]

there is no way to get in, its so hard!

[@millertime6]

I really liked how he answered the questions and he seems like he’s providing good leadership. But I know I share a lot of the frustrations of some others when I say that they seem to be gatekeeping these hundreds of thousands of jobs that are supposed to be available. I’ve applied to dozens in Government without even an interview.

[@fallsgrave]

It’s probably because these jobs don’t actually exist. There are people in this video who are paid for and backed by organizations that push for people to pay for courses, certs, education and whatnot. Whether or not you get a job afterwards isn’t their concern. These people are lying to you.

[@mikedc]

They say they have openings just for budget reasons. Example we have openings so we need x amount of funding. Get the funding. No hire but money left over for bonuses lol. Oldest trick in the book. What the government dont use they get to keep.

[@millertime6]

@@millieconsultancy Even at these events they tell you to apply online. I just left one.

[@millieconsultancy]

Did you get the hiring managers' name? and linkedin profile? What role were you going for?

[@millertime6]

@@millieconsultancy I did. And I keep pushing. But honestly, all these extras aren’t indicative of a shortage. This is more like mature market behavior.

[@RevelingDragon]

I'm so down for this. Get at me. Getting certified as we speak status

[@DreadedTechie]

As a black man, this interview is inspiring for a number of reasons. Great conversation and information!

[@user-zc5dn6me3d]

"as a black man"?

[@mildsoup8978]

Wow thanks forbes

[@d.trubre5216]

Commenting to remindyself to watch

[@TwistedSoul2002]

Don’t worry- I got you… Hey! Watch the vid!! It’s been 19 hours!

[@d.trubre5216]

thanks i'm watching it rn@@TwistedSoul2002

[@plixypl0x]

​@@TwistedSoul2002 😂😂

[@samsmusichub]

Piece of advice: don't take a shot every time he says "cybersecurity".

[@Focused_Lari]

I’m in community college right now for cybersecurity. Super exiting.

[@ib.r29]

Just do gardening as a career instead, plenty of work even during the covid pandemic, less pressure work environment, healthy, physical, outdoors, with enough experience you can get your own clients and run a solo business, chill workmates and the grass never stops growing so it’s a good industry to get into, there’s always lawns that need mowing and weeds to pull out. It’s an industry that doesn’t attract toxic people generally, narcissists etc, and you can do your computer cybersecurity stuff on the side as a side hussle or hobby instead which is what I’d rather do.

[@yeftaarnoldy9499]

Inspired! Thanks..

[@northsure]

I'm a veteran with a bachelor's degree in science. I completed the Google professional certificate for Cybersecurity Analyst and I'm about to take the security+ exam. Entry-level jobs requires a minimum of 1 to 3 years of real-world experience. I don't qualify for internships because I am not an undergraduate. I've never seen an apprenticeship job offer. All recommendations point to networking. It comes down to who you know. You need someone to have sympathy on you and offer you a way in. This formula perpetuates discrimination and promotes vapid self promotion rather than individuals with problem solving skills. Given that America claims to be lacking people to fill over a half a million cyber security positions, I'm puzzled as to how the industry intends to overcome the shortfall without establishing a viable apprenticeship program that is nondiscreminitory?!

[@daindigokid]

This video offers nothing. Luck will get u a cyber job.

[@lsponganderson7846]

😂😂😂

[@Rachen1992]

Not a big fan of him saying you don't need a STEM background. I know way too many "cyber security professionals" that just do not understand the technology and make horrible decisions and sometimes even increase the risk to our systems just because they don't understand what the tech is or how it works.

[@joshuamurphy75]

You don’t need a STEM degree or to be a math expert, but you absolutely need to be technical. I work in the field and the market is flooded with non technical people wasting everyone’s time reading off checklists of things they don’t understand slowing down the technical people trying to fix the problems. I suggest that anyone going into cybersecurity goes deep into studying IT or programming or some sort of engineering discipline of whatever it is you want to protect as part of your journey.

[@haibaidzokwomandre1468]

CyberSecurity a very broad field

[@iMentorCloud]

indeed and Infosec is mother of all

[@azukaabrahamnduka5242]

Interesting narrative

[@neo_the_chosen_one777]

i always wanted to work and protect not a country but all countrys and worldwide.......

[@memedaddyz]

Can't get no way. Starting from brain damaged HR's that are impossible to get around.

[@aliasname2257]

No one is getting developed into a security role. People think they’re gonna transition into security without already being in a developer role is not impossible, but it’s crazy rare

[@mattdixon6340]

I love the setting, how the men are dressed like men wearing suits, talking professionally, and for pointing out that it is not the child's responsibility to be safe online, but the parent's responsibility.

[@S.Sheezy]

I have an MBA (recently earned) and I hope to get my Security + certification in June of this year. I am also an Air Force Veteran. I hope to make a complete pivot from the healthcare field to the information technology in the gov tech or DoD space. Hopefully, the MBA has some weight. I hope to earn a PhD in Cybersecurity Analytics but I am also optimistically hopeful in entering a cybersecurity niche in the DoD/Intelligence space.

[@Gooner253]

Good interview but did not tell us where to get this knowledge

[@Theabstractblu]

I had and finished a private tech school education in 2020 and because of you know what my internship opportunities were canceled. I kept educating myself ever since 2020 and i still feel a bit lost on how to get a job. I just dont want to educate myself but each one teach one

[@millieconsultancy]

You have to trick your way in if you are starting young. Have you got your certifications? What area of Cybersecurity are you doing? What industry are you in?

[@Theabstractblu]

@@millieconsultancy cert. Wise I have my Itf+ and studying for my Security+ while I am at work. I had a IT internship that went well but didn't roll over into a permanent position. So now I'm working in private security for some spare change to cover expenses. Managing to study and sell some abstract artwork during downtime.

[@Theabstractblu]

@@millieconsultancy Threat analysis & Forensics are the directions I'm flowing towards

[@millieconsultancy]

HMMM, not niche enough. There are AI software that can test Threat and analyse in detail. What area in Forensics? Forensics is very broad@@Theabstractblu

[@millieconsultancy]

You didn't answer the question, do you have certifications?

[@neo_the_chosen_one777]

good people and good things will allways win but with loses, thats life......

[@timcarpenter7399]

This sounds like a job interview

[@user-tm8sc2kz8f]

Please talk about the government mandate to implement zero trust security by 2025. Learn this product

[@NineInchTyrone]

Need a security clearance so get into the military if you can

[@mikedc]

Big if based on the numbers. Military ain't getting no bodies to even give the clearances out lol. Military needs robots and AI more than ever due to low numbers joining

[@nothing563019]

"500k open cyber jobs"........according to the BLS its only 13k. " you dont need a degree to get into it".....many with even masters in comp science are having trouble finding jobs. All sounds good for click bait videos though.

[@mikedc]

Facts. Pple need to do their research like you did. I'm like its 500k jobs needed but tech sector is laying off pple. AI will take the cybersecurity jobs mostly

[@MalamIbnMalam]

Yeah most people in Computer science with Masters degrees are being put to waste. I decided to specialize in artificial intelligence because it will replace a lot of computing jobs in the future. I think product support jobs will always be around. But less and less you will find software engineers and security engineers in 10 years or so.

[@MalamIbnMalam]

​@@mikedcthat's correct, AI will take a lot of Cyber security jobs except for the ones that require the most technical skill that computer science degree holders should be able to do (Reverse Engineering).

[@tam6011]

@@MalamIbnMalam I wouldnt specialize in AI. Quuntum Security is truly where they are going. AI is now. Get the fundamentals. I would do Computer Engineering and focus on supercomputers and HPC clusters. They will be around the next 15 to 20 years and they make money

[@princemarkied8071]

you DO need to be a technologist to be competent to Cyber Security. You don't have to be that to 'get into', but if you want to be at the top of the hierarchy, then you need to have the temperament , and aptitude for I.T. Not just seeking high-pay , in a cushy job arena.

[@brianpage4798]

500,000 employed domestically employed people, will create no less than another 100,000 service employees

[@jiszelj]

Where can I find the jobs and get on the paid learning path?

[@iMentorCloud]

google it

[@tam6011]

DOD has cyber apprentice and internships. Remember there are different agencies. Start with DOD, DOE, and Homeland Security. Remember they all require the Security+ to start. Do not pay 5k for security +. Get a book , flashcards, and a practice exam. Apply to the DOD, DOE, and federal tech job.

[@cjbowers6055]

​@@tam6011Absolute facts.

[@tayetiwoni]

what is this Vol Typhoon they speak of ?

[@mikedc]

Google is your friend lol.

[@tayetiwoni]

@@mikedc found it days ago, but thanks

[@bikerunswimjb]

God bless the naval academy and its kids. my son is a 4 yr army rotc scholarship winner cybersecurity major. more Patriots please

[@Thefunone88]

Ok lets make a few more points..1) cyber sec is NOT an entry level position..2) try to have a fairly good understanding of how data flows, know and apply osi model ny heart and be fairly versed in cloud, network, desktop, servers, VMs etc...a cert and education wont get you through..not even to a basic soc role..do projects on the side and showcase proof of work and understanding.. 6 years into It and im just startinf the journey on my cissp..

[@joshuamurphy75]

Yeah the idea of entry level cybersecurity is like being an entry level software architect or entry level postdoc researcher or entry level network architect. To be good at cybersecurity, you need a deep understanding of the thing you are trying to protect. Instead of specializing in cybersecurity, people should become experts at the OS or database or network or programming or industrial control systems shift into cybersecurity from there. The reason we have a huge job shortage is because people are studying the wrong things and bootcamps and certification programs are lying to people about an easy way to get a quick buck.

[@shephusted2714]

we are basically in a tech race but what seems different now is that there seems to be a definite finish line of sorts - things are going to change at some point in the future and it won't be 50 years in the future but more likely a decade or two - this was a good wide ranging interview - optimistic but also urgency was conveyed (for good reasons) #epochs #books #c suite anxiety

[@laminjallow6989]

What do you think this change will be?

[@infobro]

@Forbes Cybersecurity is one word.

[@AseeF]

is 4 years college degree enough to get into the field and make say 80k a year in today's economy?

[@datusllc1556]

It's not necessarily about a degree, it's more about certs and what you know. Depends on where in cyber you're trying to go. Find a mentor who is already in the field, and tell him what you want out of it. If you major in cybersecurity, and your college program is halfway decent, you can get hands on experience during the summer summer internships. I know UTSA has an amazing department. The business department wanted no part of cyber years ago and now they're trying to take it over.

[@mikedc]

You can make 80k year selling drugs bro lol

[@imanigordon6803]

Nope

[@MalamIbnMalam]

$80k/year is a good salary depending on where you live. If you live in most parts of California, it's not a good salary if your goal is to buy a home.

[@neo_the_chosen_one777]

i would love to meet this national cyber security directo.....i could help them ....even remotely.....

[@tomk8312]

Yeah ok what are these jobs that don't require a degree? Military? 20 years of experience?

[@christophermccrea7133]

Honestly you wsnt a very grounded look into the" Cybersecurity Field" , i highly recommend Eli the Computer Guy channels. Basically he explains how you cant just zero in on cybersecurity itself. Thats just one facet of IT.

[@jonathansiddoway4979]

@12:17. I care. I care a LOT!! And yet, I can’t get a foothold in the area because I cannot satisfy EVERY CHECKMARK that y’all let HR put in the way!!

[@user-dl3hu4zn5q]

Analisi del Discorso Nel video, l'US National Cyber Director Harry Ker parla a un evento a Washington DC sull'importanza della cybersecurity e della protezione dell'infrastruttura critica. Egli evidenzia le sfide e le opportunità nel campo della cybersecurity, sottolineando la necessità di coinvolgere il settore privato, il governo e le comunità sottorappresentate nella difesa cibernetica. Inoltre, sottolinea l'importanza di sensibilizzare il pubblico sull'attuale rischio per l'infrastruttura critica. Qualità e Difetti del Discorso Qualità 1. Chiarezza nel Messaggio Ker trasmette in modo chiaro e diretto l'importanza della cybersecurity e della protezione dell'infrastruttura critica. 2. Coinvolgimento del Pubblico Si impegna attivamente a coinvolgere il pubblico, evidenziando le minacce alla sicurezza cibernetica e l'importanza del coinvolgimento delle comunità sottorappresentate nel settore. 3. Apertura e Trasparenza Dimostra apertura nel riconoscere le sfide e l'urgenza di affrontarle, enfatizzando l'importanza della trasparenza e dell'accountability nella difesa cibernetica. 4. Approccio Accessibile Utilizza un linguaggio accessibile e esempi concreti per spiegare concetti complessi legati alla cybersecurity, rendendo il discorso comprensibile per un pubblico più ampio. Difetti 1. Poca Profondità Tecnica Mentre il discorso è accessibile, manca di una discussione più approfondita su alcune delle sfide tecniche specifiche nel campo della cybersecurity. 2. Mancanza di Specificità Non fornisce dettagli specifici su piani d'azione concreti o soluzioni proposte per affrontare le sfide nel campo della cybersecurity. 3. Limitata Diversità di Esempi Potrebbe arricchire il discorso includendo una più ampia varietà di esempi e casi di studio relativi alle minacce cibernetiche e alle iniziative di difesa in diversi contesti. Articolo sull'Analisi del Discorso di Harry Ker L'Importanza della Cybersecurity e la Protezione dell'Infrastruttura Critica Nel video dell'evento a Washington DC, l'US National Cyber Director Harry Ker esprime in modo chiaro e coinvolgente l'importanza della cybersecurity e della protezione dell'infrastruttura critica. Ker sottolinea l'urgente necessità di coinvolgere il settore privato, il governo e le comunità sottorappresentate nella difesa cibernetica. Durante il suo intervento, ha evidenziato qualità significative e alcune aree di miglioramento. Qualità Evidenziate Chiarezza nel Messaggio e Coinvolgimento del Pubblico Ker ha trasmesso il suo messaggio in modo chiaro e diretto, evidenziando le minacce attuali alla sicurezza cibernetica e l'importanza di coinvolgere le comunità sottorappresentate nel settore. Il suo coinvolgimento attivo del pubblico, attraverso esempi concreti e un linguaggio accessibile, ha reso il discorso comprensibile per un pubblico più ampio. Apertura, Trasparenza e Approccio Accessibile Il National Cyber Director ha dimostrato apertura nel riconoscere le sfide e l'urgenza di affrontarle, enfatizzando l'importanza della trasparenza e dell'accountability nella difesa cibernetica. Il suo approccio accessibile ha reso la discussione su concetti complessi della cybersecurity più accessibile al pubblico. Possibili Miglioramenti Approfondimento Tecnico e Specificità Nonostante la chiarezza nel suo discorso, Ker avrebbe potuto arricchire ulteriormente la discussione includendo una maggiore profondità tecnica e dettagli specifici su piani d'azione concreti o soluzioni proposte per affrontare le sfide nel campo della cybersecurity. Diversità di Esempi e Casi di Studio Un'ulteriore area di miglioramento potrebbe includere una più ampia varietà di esempi e casi di studio relativi alle minacce cibernetiche e alle iniziative di difesa in diversi contesti, per offrire una prospettiva più completa e diversificata. Conclusioni In conclusione, il discorso di Harry Ker ha catturato l'attenzione sull'importanza della cybersecurity e della protezione dell'infrastruttura critica, ma esistono aree di miglioramento che potrebbero arricchire ulteriormente la discussione. L'apertura, il coinvolgimento del pubblico e la chiarezza del messaggio sono pregi significativi, e un focus più approfondito su soluzioni specifiche e una maggiore diversità di esempi potrebbero migliorare ulteriormente la completezza e la ricchezza del suo discorso.

[@anthonyb1247]

Please do not be fooled. This is not exclaiming that jobs will be available or that the public will be educated on the matter. This is explaining that there will be more enforcement and there will be policies made to requirements placed on far more social media companies, entertainment companies, tech companies etc.

[@pinkmilk356]

There's jobs available to those with the required skillsets (DFIR, TI, RE, PT, Engineers etc.) but SOC monkeys are gonna be hit hard over the next two years. Train up.. you got it!

[@soulestate_5]

Looking for them jobs right neow.

[@dqjo]

Let's chat: Where are these jobs? Who's hiring newbies/entry-level? Companies want you to have 5+ years in Cyber and want you to know 10+ requirements. People tell you to get this Cert, get that Certs, O' yeah get this other Certs, get personal experience at home, but again, companies STILL want you to have experience. You can get the cert but it's hard to not only pass the interview, it's hard to even get the interview without job experience. You actually have to know someone to get these jobs and for African-Americans, it's not easy. Again, Let's chat about it.

[@deethekingstevens7146]

Yep, I agree

[@mikedc]

Facts. It's always and will always be a who you know society. Not what you know.

[@Siegefya]

Experience.... IT EXPERIENCE, tech experience. Something as simple as help desk or desktop support for a year or two will give you experience. Jr roles, jr systems administrator, jr Network admin, jr developer... That's what it means by experience, it's not asking for cyber security job experience, you can actually get cyber experience as a help desk tech, or a sys admin etc. here's the real problem, good luck getting into even help desk right now in IT, the field is fvcking over saturated, a lot of people are trying to get into tech, even help desk jobs are asking for 1-3 years of experience, which is asinine for tier 1 support as it's a glorified customer service job with a little bit of tech thrown in. Shts madness in the tech sector. I'm literally about to just go into accounting.

[@neo_the_chosen_one777]

solution; stop or pause or use emergency back up to help and continue things going , revise all code with your cyber security team but properly done with will take time but with a cyber security team working hard with good pressure you guys can protect better your systems.....

[@jovictor3007]

I dont approve how the reporter is seated...it is so over the top.