‘Don’t Mess With My Hypothetical’: Neil Gorsuch Goes Back And Forth With Lawyer In Homelessness Case

[@VeniVidiVid]

Gorsuch is so clear, logical, and reasonable. It’s a pleasure to hear him ask clarifying questions.

[@pmatthewroy]

It was a good hypothetical.

[@georgewilson4245]

I wonder has he joined the rank of the corrupted like Clarence Thomas, Roberts and Alito?

[@dsiever1]

@@georgewilson4245 I'm sorry that logic and rational thought is abhorrent, if not completely alien to you.

[@mjlambert210]

You obviously do not listen to him speak very often.

[@mjlambert210]

@@georgewilson4245 He obviously has. There have already been multiple documented instances of him being funded by ultra right wing billionaires.

[@thepigwillfly5869]

Gorsuch makes this guy sound like a fool with simple logic. Good job on pointing out the stupidity.

[@ditherdather]

A lot of people don't understand or appreciate the posit of hypotheticals because they don't understand their objective, so they find it outlandish. I'm glad that Gorsuch said it: that it's to "test limits" of a law or statute so that it can be properly measured with the ruler of constitutionality. They're finding the boundaries and inadequacies. The hypotheticals and subsequent replies are why this fascinates me. I also love that they allow for humor.

[@jonathansegraves8623]

Especially when that humor is involving something SO SERIOUS as not having food, shelter & clothing, and oh yes an actual RECEPTACLE for your BODILY WASTE to go INTO instead of ONTO, right ??

[@ditherdather]

@@jonathansegraves8623 The humor isn't because they find it not so serious; it's because they're not robots nor is it a funeral. Hell, people even laugh at funerals. It is important, but lots of serious things can afford room for humor.

[@lzestrara1518]

Agreed about the importance of testing limits. Gorsuch did a great job of that in this clip and really had the prosecution lawyer on his heels. The laywer did his best to dance around it by saying that the issues of cooking, defecating, urinating, and drug use can all be enforced because it's presumed the homeless will have some other option, even if they don't. But when it comes to sleeping/camping, that presumption goes out the window for some reason. And even if there's a known available bed, the lawyer still was reticent to admit that this could be seen as a behavioral choice rather than status. I don't have a sense of which party the judges will decide for, but this lawyer didn't seem to do much to help his own case here.

[@briant7265]

​@@lzestrara1518Gorsuch asking about having to urinate and there are no open restrooms is WAY more on ping than Kagan comparing sleeping with breathing.

[@chavonj4680]

@@briant7265uh, can you survive without breathing? Can’t survive without sleeping.

[@NewOrleansSeptember]

Inexpensive places to eat in the US? That's ridiculous.

[@jop7672]

I work in healthcare- the shelters are always full- not enough of them. They need funding including basic human needs and safety. Many are worn and children -

[@mtnhowie]

I was a policeman. Many are also choosing not to go to shelters because it is not conducive to the lifestyle they choose. Mental health, drug and alcoholic abuse, and simply their personal choice to disregard societal rules. Far more of those than women and children living on the street.

[@Jack_Simpson]

I have been impressed with each justice I’ve heard talk on this case. They all seem to see the nuance and humanity of homelessness when politicians on both sides seem to just talk about it like homeless people are just a nuance.

[@StarJoon]

The beauty of the mind and heart of true Americans displayed here by these Justices says America is worth saving. We must all act together compassionately to help these people. Helping them is help us and preventing the collapse of our country and planet.

[@jameskelly7412]

What it comes down to is the the gov wants to determine whether your need is legitimate. This means, that if they like your view, you qualify, if they don't, you don't. We have seen this play out in real time recently...

[@Kevin.S.McCarter_PhD]

This guy needs to stop trying to reframe every scenario Gorsuch asks about

[@peterbuckley3877]

This lawyer is really clutching at straws in his arguments which are nonsensical.

[@saberur66]

not really, if housing isnt adequate, and puts a persons mental and physical health at risk its not really housing.

[@peterbuckley3877]

@@saberur66 answering the judges hypothetical with an alternative one is not a smart move, the lawyer has already been admonished for doing it in an attempt to twist it to suit his own arguments.

[@sampotter4455]

That guy is arguing before the Supreme Court? Good grief he can barely put a sentence together.

[@chrispalo7028]

He works for Biden. Competence doesn't matter.

[@ML-te6qv]

😂😂😂 I would be embarrassed

[@kelechinwadigo3260]

Try being in his shoes lol

[@Jessica-gy6kr]

​@@kelechinwadigo3260why tf would we want to do that? This man chose this case, he is trash.

[@superuser8636]

"WHAT IF A HOMELESS PERSON HAS NO ACCESS TO A RESTROOM, CAN THEY [JUSTIFIABLY] DEFECATE ON THE STREET?" "THAT SITUATION HAS NEVER ARISEN... NO ONE IS SUGGESTING...." SLIPPERY

[@Essy311]

Yeah, notice he had to back pedal and add "in the litigation." It certainly has come up over and over in real life, and he knows

[@ML-te6qv]

they need to open a shelter where people can do hygiene this is craziness they wouldn't have this conduct problem

[@Hcfungfuikbgdhhh]

@@ML-te6qvnonsense, you don’t know this

[@JustTayo]

I’m so glad these justices are sitting on the court.

[@JamesPetroff]

Deuteronomy 15:7 "If among you, one of your brothers should become poor, in any of your towns within your land that the LORD your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart or shut your hand against your poor brother ..

[@SonofSamClemens]

I think this topic can get overcomplicated needlessly. The issue is about externalities and residence. Sleeping on a bench is not the issue. Forming a residence near the bench and defecating, cooking, storing items, bathing in a single public space has negative externalities.

[@irgski]

Some “homeless” do not want to live in an apartment or shelter…

[@NBGTFO]

True, but in most of those cases it's because they are drug addicts and the shelters don't allow drug use.

[@TheDmitriProject]

@@NBGTFOYou know the facts of this case are freely available on the internet, right? This is about individuals who do not have access to housing, not individuals that do and refuse it. That includes housing provided by government. The city named in the suit ran out of space. Homeless people that would’ve otherwise qualified for state assistance could not receive it. They were then charged under the ordinance in question. What is your answer to the legal question, counsellor?

[@rattlesnake3113]

Most are uneducated minimum wage people who can't afford to live without assistance or help? Lets throw depression/ mental health on top with addiction to substances because of their untreated mental health, all because they can't afford to live with a roof plus the expenses over their head, I'm not even counting lack of low income housing, Do we truthfully want to admit and understand the real truth about the problem? Smh

[@DRod1517]

​@@TheDmitriProjectthank you for pointing that out. People read a headline "homeless," and all their preconceived notions of what that means just bleed out.

[@Hcfungfuikbgdhhh]

@@TheDmitriProjectthe “status” argument as Gorsuch demonstrates applies to every act anyone ever takes. Of course, the left has no intention of applying that to its enemies. Only people of approved statuses are free to commit crimes in a future leftist dystopia

[@SamuelEMiller]

A fascinating philosophical question

[@proteusaugustus]

Go to Denver. They won't let you use the bathroom.

[@TheVeraciety]

Gorsuch is quickly approaching my favorite justice.

[@georgewilson4245]

Depending whether he is corrupted like Clarence Thomas, Roberts & Alito?

[@josephdelvecchio2502]

@@georgewilson4245 Are you ready to prove your allegations?? Oh yea proof isn't necessary to a Liberal Democrat..

[@shannonbarber6161]

@@georgewilson4245 As opposed to Sotomayor who was corrupt before taking office?

[@shannonbarber6161]

Then please vote libertarian in other areas. Freedom means you have the right to choose to be a bum.

[@donh6416]

My son sent this to me. He's baffled at the governments attorney being so evasive. My son has entered the mature, self thinking zone.

[@LFDNC]

Help him by NOT sending him to college. I’ve been in recently. STAY AWAY!!

[@psy-v]

He isn't being evasive. He is trying to describe the fact that there are different laws that govern how to treat people with mental health issues. Yet the justice was trying to illicit a very specific response using a broad question. The attorney was stumbling. Not evading. To a higher point... you think that being homeless should be a crime? I'm going to assume you're on the right wing of the issue. Which suggests you may be religious. If true: you would see Jesus as a criminal? (He was often homeless) You can best judge the character of a society by how they treat their poor...

[@collinlee5927]

Your son sounds like a BRIGHT and WISE young man, I think college would be VERY beneficial to him!!

[@jamesandrews1130]

Congratulations

[@rktsnail]

@@psy-vgod you’re insane

[@blueishxx]

lol , just let them eat at restaurants

[@jonathansegraves8623]

For FREE even !!!!! Bet the restaurant owners and managers will jump right on that order.

[@jeremy454]

Criminalizing homelessness is not the way to take care of the problem

[@PodcastOnTheSpectrum]

Ahhhhh yea but institutionalization, forced rehab, and job training programs are the way this gets fixed

[@jeremy454]

@@PodcastOnTheSpectrum you can build more jails or more homeless shelters. The later is more humane and probably doesn’t cost anymore. Our wide open borders are further compounding the problem

[@LFDNC]

Homelessness is a tough issue. There are indeed many chronically homeless with drug and/or mental health issues. When those folks were de-institutionalized in the 70’s there were no structures put in place after they were released. When I took addictions we learned that all drug/alcohol rehab programs are fairly ineffective, with AA being the most effective (my classmates hated AA, but they’re none too bright). Forced rehab is a waste of money and effort. One has not had enough until they’ve had enough. I totally advocate job retraining, and I personally think prisons are a good place to start. I’ve heard the arguments against it, but our recidivism rate is crazy high. This could help and there is good reason to think there could be a positive ripple effect. My personal opinion overall is that we as the people can address a lot of these issues. I have been advocating for the church to step up and take over for the government, but that’s a separate issue.

[@datswassup9902]

@jeremy454 Our country definitely needs more jails, homeless are a smaller problem than being forced to let out murderers early

[@laertesindeed]

@jeremy454 None of the law being discussed in this video ever criminalized lacking a house. It criminalized the "behavior" of invading a public taxpayer funded park property and treating it as if it belonged to them; as well as disturbing the peace, harassment and indecency, etc. The fact that I lack a Ferrari and therefore qualify as Ferrariless does not give me the right to "camp" inside your Ferrari as if it was mine.

[@nevergiveup9900]

How about we do the following: just a hypothetical: forget our homeless vets and others and simply give another $90 BILLION to Ukraine & Israel

[@pirtatejoe]

Odd.... I didn't hear any Congressmen suggest $90 billion in funding to help homeless. Republicans are busy cancelling free lunch for poor kids, so I'm sure they will be up for spending money on the homeless.

[@patburton3853]

don't worry they will

[@jmstew642]

Because the cut is bigger, when sent to foreign country... "The big guy needs his share"...

[@kdhovis8665]

GREAT IDEA! AND THEY DID! AGAIN!

[@floridamanHooning]

I didn't know that we could give homeless people surface to air missiles

[@fakeascanbe423]

You can be homeless in status as long as you don't sleep

[@brianphillips9152]

Properly treat mental health issues regardless of income.

[@Essy311]

The problem arises because many mentally ill don't acknowledge their illness as something they want to treat. Unless there is a clear, imminent danger to self or others, then no one can be forced to get treatment. Even those that qualify for an emergency psych hold only stay for a few days and then go right back to what they were doing before, maybe a little better off for the short-term, but when they don't go to the free clinic to get their meds refilled, it's only a matter of time before problems come up again. 😢

[@Jessica-gy6kr]

​@@Essy311I know several people that are desperately seeking services and it's almost impossible. I also see it at the county mental health center I frequent weekly. They keep losing funds and the wait is a year for new clients. Don't speak on things you're ignorant of.

[@The_ScapeGoat]

Treatment is a service that requires a practitioner. Who is going to pay the practitioners?

[@kdknice888]

I just wanted to say that If you have suicidal thoughts, mental trauma, PTSD or anything Just know. You have a purpose you are beautiful, kind, just be yourself and go after what you want to do. You are amazing, you got this, and things will get better in your life, you will do great things, and so many people like your family and I are proud of you and love you dearly. Your future is bigger than your past and your past does not define you are awesome and a warrior. Don’t hate yourself simply because of your past, forgive yourself, love yourself no matter what because you deserve the world and the great things in it. Things we’ll get better in your life. You are the light of the world. Stay safe. 💪🏽Have a beautiful day❤️❤️💯💯

[@jonathansegraves8623]

Absolutely. Now shut up please, let me in and give me something to eat and let me sleep. Thanks for sharing.

[@KevinFinnerty-c4n]

What is the purpose you mention?

[@ShaighJosephson]

Unbelievable that these BS arguments are even before our highest court... 😮

[@warrinbang1191]

The status of being homeless is to lack a place to perform the basic necessities of life indoors. The issue is, should it be illegal to do that which is natural and necessary because you don't have a home?

[@ML-te6qv]

that is why they need a bigger shelter so people can do those things shower, sleep and so forth

[@laertesindeed]

@warrinbang1191 I am without a triple big mac. I am Triplebigmacless status....... send me a check with your money so I can get my triple big mac which you owe me.

[@warrinbang1191]

@@laertesindeed The Bible teaches me to owe no man anything but to love one another. Also that whosever sees another in need and can supply that need but doesn't help them, doesn't have the love of God dwelling within them.

[@laertesindeed]

@@warrinbang1191 I repeat, I am without a triple big mac. I am Triplebigmacless status..... and you can supply that need. You must therefore send me a check with your money so I can get my triple big mac which you owe me. Not only do you "not" have the love of your god within you, according to your own principles...... I also have a napkin with the words of Apollo who says you are going to Hades if you don't give me the money for my triple big mac.

[@s_p7231]

This lawyer arguing this sounds unprepared.

[@jop7672]

Americas attack on being humane- this judge is wise and cares about all Americans

[@iceman9678]

This is (D)ifferent. 🤔 The problem is nearly 100% contributed to drug addiction. Until this fact is addressed nothing will change.

[@blueishxx]

absolutely 99.9 % drug and alcohol addiction

[@arctain1]

Unfortunately, that’s only obliquely relevant to the question of status and the 8th amendment. Gorsuch is pointing out the ridiculousness of this call to an 8th amendment right.

[@iceman9678]

@@blueishxx You get it +1!

[@ML-te6qv]

that is baloney, and negative stereotype, the main plaintiff of this case was a retired nurse who couldn't afford to live there stop making assumptions about people

[@iceman9678]

@@ML-te6qv What positive stereotype can we drawn from drug addicts?🤔

[@fabmissb]

There’s no compassion in this law.

[@joseorjuela6897]

It’s amazing how touchy-feely this whole thing is.

[@abigailandino6251]

5:29 It’s conduct , in the ‘status’ category . . It’s purple - because cats don’t like mittens after all.

[@jonathansegraves8623]

How many hits of " purple haze " did you just consume ?

[@tackthekack1]

The answer to this is the court should rule that the state cannot do anything to force the homeless to do anything. Then the only solution would be a legislative one and it would force our "leaders" to solve the problem once and for all.

[@softdrinkking]

I love the supreme Court building so beautiful. Built by the old world and re used by us#free masonry 😊. I wish we had the technology to recreate these beautiful buildings

[@jameshurth2233]

Inability to provide for food clothing or SHELTER is the very definition of Grave Disability. This should mandate the State or County to provide adequate treatment facilities.

[@Hcfungfuikbgdhhh]

There are no “adequate treatment facilities” for long term homeless drug addicts, aside from prison. They already choose to not live in a shelter. They’ve already burned every person/bridge they’ve ever had. They don’t want to be in a shelter with rules; that’s why they dropped out of society.

[@mikecohen2400]

The more I listen to the grants Pass case, the more I see a community that wants to drive out it’s poor, and homeless, instead of taking care of them, and taking care of them would not be that hard, given the amount of money they are spending trying to drive them out, and on this court case.

[@benagosto3641]

You equate not wanting the homeless on public grounds to wanting to drive out the “poor”?!?!!

[@mikecohen2400]

@@benagosto3641 , If they had money they would not be living in tents, so yes they are poor, they are homeless where else but public spaces are they going to sleep. Think what fighting this court case has cost, lawyer that can argue before the Supreme Court are not cheap, and this case has been around for years, the city has spent hundreds of thousands of Dollars, or more on this case, and harassing its homeless population. They could have built a very good shelter system with that money, then they would have has some justification for some of their laws, not all but some.

[@laertesindeed]

@@mikecohen2400 The city in this case did not "create" the homeless criminals that are being addressed in their city ordinance; and those people never even came from this city...... they wandered into the area from elsewhere in the state. No set of taxpayers in a city should "EVER" be forced to commit theft upon its own citizens to give freebies to foreign strangers defecating on their front porches.

[@soulsurvivor4499]

this guy that's answering is a terrible person

[@freedomlover411]

People get FINED for buying homeless people food, they get Fined for making food for homeless people. Bathrooms are CLOSED to the public even most places do not provide for customers only workers.... Yet our very government pays BILLIONS for others to have a suite and 3 square meals a day and all the clothes they need yet homeless people lay on the steam that comes out of the manholes thus making them get sick trying to stay warm.. and they stay in the same clothes ,sometimes for weeks on end with no shower or way to wash up. Someone tell me the justice in this??

[@eldandonsmith5372]

Don't mess with my Toot Toot.........

[@CharlesCurran-m9p]

In the old days society had work houses and county farms where indigent people would go for food and shelter. There were also long term mental hospitals. In the 70s it was deemed to be cruel to send people to these places and people were discharged to the street with the understanding that community based services would be set up. Unfortunately, those services were never created which left these people on their own. Politicians took the savings from the closing of various service facilities and wasted it instead of providing community based programs. Once “activists” started suing for homeless “rights” politicians once again wimped out and allowed the homeless to do whatever they wanted which was usually detrimental to the community. Money and broken promises by politicians is the root of the problem.

[@kdhovis8665]

Yep! It was called De-institutionalzation! (Sp?)

[@ambermetal195]

well because they WERE often cruel; particularly the institutions in which the typical response to any given problem was a lobotomy. If you aren't careful in efforts to reintroduce these types of solutions, you will end up with nightmarish asylums again.

[@asianamericanadvice6016]

However you feel about Gorsuch's politics, he seems very well studied and prepared.

[@JustTayo]

Let him cook!

[@lisatowe778]

People don’t realize how amazing Gorsuch is and how very constitutional. They don’t always “like” what he says but he is almost always completely constitutional and on point. An amazing questioning here by him

[@dagame81790]

“People can beg for money” except they’re trying to ban pan handling as well in most cities!

[@DoggosAndJiuJitsu]

This is too much. Leave it to the tax payers (we pay for the public space). If tax payers say no then you have to sleep on the street outside of the municipality. Sorry, transients. We matter, too.

[@blueyedevil3479]

How do these lawmakers and lawyers get caught up with such obvious and basic roadblocks to their proposed laws and their defense of said laws…how much time do they REALLY spend on fleshing out, their desired line of thought and reason? It seems like they say, “hey! This here, is a problem, we need to address it.” “Ummmm okay, well, this here is a solution to that problem…” “Well, maybe we should think of the ways in which this doesn’t make sense as a solution” “Nah, screw that man, we’ve got other shit to do…”.

[@benhur933]

"But... but... but...

[@jop7672]

Well done judge

[@maidenofsantafem.g.valdez1154]

Acts include self destruction is unacceptable behavior because it causes harm to self and all others including far away family. Mental Health Safe Houses are available.

[@kevinhornbuckle]

The government lawyer's repeated reliance on "individual circumstances" betrays the government's entire case. Are police officers trained or otherwise situated to assess whether a person sleeping on public property is an alcoholic or domestic violence victim who rationally elects to avoid the homeless shelter? No. In fact, it is widely recognized in police human resources that recruitment of candidates for the police academy is increasingly difficult because of common knowledge that police officers are put into impossible situations as they are required to cattle herd very sick and troubled people.

[@ottohesslein3230]

All slaves owned by The Corporation must be domiciled in a Corporation owned or leased barracks or face criminal penalty, to include being confined in a Corporation owned penal institution.

[@GregoryRyman]

Is it just me, or does this sound like someone has determined that there may be a way to eliminate homelessness by just making it OK to throw the homeless in jail?

[@codybeasenburg6275]

I imagine that the pressure one feels before the Supreme Court is indescribable, but even so, I feel like some of the answers to Gorsuch's questions seemed obvious. If there is a bed physically available but the person has a condition (mental or physical) that leaves them unable to take use of that bed, then it is theoretically available for someone but it's not available for that individual, which puts them back in the same situation that this was initially about. As for the issue of food, we have always treated some ways of acquiring food as illegal. You can't steal food, that's conduct and not status. If a municipality really wanted to be cruel, they could put building a fire within these boundaries too. But eating in public crosses the line into status as that is a basic human necessity. If there are choices involved and multiple options, it's conduct, but when it's a necessary part of one's condition, it's status. These were certainly pointed questions but I don't think that they were difficult questions and I don't understand why this took over eight minutes when it could have been answered in thirty seconds.

[@mattcavanaugh6082]

So, you have an 8A right to your choice of doing drugs in a shelter or doing drugs in a public park. Got it.

[@chavonj4680]

Uh yes. Freedom comes with the good and the bad, bud sorry.

[@mattcavanaugh6082]

@@chavonj4680 You've confused anarchy for liberty.

[@chavonj4680]

@@mattcavanaugh6082 and you’ve confused freedom for liberty. I said FREEDOM, not liberty.

[@mattcavanaugh6082]

@@chavonj4680 What's the difference between the two?

[@chavonj4680]

@@mattcavanaugh6082 freedom - noun the power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without hindrance or restraint. Liberty noun the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior, or political views.

[@itubeutubewealltube1]

so wait, if I am homeless I cannot cook a meal for myself with a fire in a public space, instead, I must beg for canned food handouts. If I am NOT homeless, I have every legal right to cook myself a meal in a public space?.. wth?... or no? I will no longer be able to go to a park and use the grills to make food?... I am so confused.

[@laertesindeed]

You didn't listen to the video nor read the facts of the case, let alone the law in question.

[@kalima3683]

It seems to me that the 8th Amendment may have unlimited bounds to constrain the ability of government to enforce laws on certain kinds of lawlessness and antisocial behavior. Difficultly to discern between status ( homelessness or drug addiction) vs behavior (camping or injecting heroin). Government, for the people and by the people, cannot always solve every social issue. Homelessness in all its forms cannot be easily solved by offering free beds indefinitely nor can we incarcerate people because of their mental health and substance abuse problems. This court will not resolve our need to address homelessness, and Congress needs to step up to make law to help communities provide a path to protect the greater good.

[@mdhen4]

The chronically homeless have a multitude of problems leading to their status of homelessness - it is their conduct that leads to their status. We need to regulate their behavior and actions to limit.

[@bustinnutsinslutsbutts]

Bullshit

[@DeaPeaJay]

It’s shocking that this man is a lawyer 😂😂😂😂

[@monkeynator109]

Sometimes I think the lawyer knows it's a bad argument and they just can't make it sound good. Maybe it's a good thing they are terrible at presenting things they don't believe in.

[@beckyumphrey2626]

That lawyer was horrible.....

[@Nate_K111]

Imagine the administrative apparatus needed to make these individualized decisions. Ridiculous!

[@jonathansegraves8623]

Imagine the administrative and OTHER APPARATUS, such as TIME & MONEY having to be SPENT OUTLAWING it instead of doing SOMETHING TO END THE PLIGHT & THE SUFFERING caused BY "IT".

[@benpetro37]

This argument is ridiculous

[@davidspringham3962]

Sounds like the lawyer wants government mandated discrimination to become law.

[@G7130]

This all can be blamed on Reagan.

[@stevemt3238]

The lawyer fails to understand that homelessness in many cases is more than a single issue. Mental health, homelessness, and drug use occur simultaneously with the same person. Many homeless are drug addicted, and many others are also mentally ill. Many others are both drug addicted and mentally ill.

[@ThundarBarBar]

“Is there an 8th Amendment right to cook outdoor?” You might have a First Amendment right to cook a flag outdoors but no right to cook food outdoors. I am not advocating for either just pointing out that if you cook a flag outdoors even in the street it’s probably protected but cook a hotdog in the street and the fire chief could pay you a visit.

[@bobberguy1]

As a nation, we cannot lay city, county and state f@ckups in the hands of Supreme Court for solution.

[@chavonj4680]

Uh……that’s like the only function of the Supreme Court. Where else should it go?

[@bobberguy1]

@@chavonj4680 Uh......that's like what local government should resolve.

[@chavonj4680]

@@bobberguy1 yea, they tried to “resolve” it by passing a law and got sued, people think it’s unconstitutional, hence why we’re at the Supreme Court. The city wants to keep the law and we’re at the Supreme Court to figure out if they’re allowed to…….do you know how any of this works??

[@maidenofsantafem.g.valdez1154]

Park rules & community rules must obey open fire rules.

[@Bay0Wulf]

The Pleader wants to create an overarching “blanket law” but he really hasn’t thought through all the ramifications. Basically he wants a “Law” that prevents people from taking advantage of the “Situation” that the Governing Agencies and Local Citizens THEMSELVES Created and Promoted through THEIR OWN “POLICIES”. If YOU “Feed Them” THEY Will Come …

[@blueyedevil3479]

The federal gov gives tens of millions of dollars to the states and cities to be spent on homelessness, drug and alcohol addiction, etc. States and cities spend (allegedly) that money on these services… yet there’s NEVER ENOUGH … where the f^ck does all the money go??? 🤔🤔 The military sure as f^ck can’t answer that question… most states can’t answer that question, and the federal government can’t answer that question…but f^ck you if you can’t figure out where that $25 came from or if you’ve received $600 from people, through a pay service. And how the F^ck can you owe interest on owed taxes? They don’t have the money to begin with, so it’s not like they could have been making money off of it, AND THEIR MONEY IS YOUR MONEY TO BEGIN WITH…

[@stevesmith1493]

He absolutely destroyed that lawyer!😂😂

[@Dee-u9f2d]

Did they commit murder because people can be homeless if they want.

[@lorab1912]

Sleeping in my car Donald Rumsfeld gave me 5 dollars & it only bought a cup of clam chowder. Police said I could park at Juanita Beach but handcuffed when my 19 year old son took me to get gas in his truck. Bounced around in a van cuffed in pain on a cold metal seat. Cut wires out of my bra then after sitting in a cell I was given instant coffee & $100 " sorry we made a mistake". Cop car ride to my car then found Motel 6 near EVERGREEN HOSPITAL... 2011..... 🍁 FALL

[@mrpmosh99]

Who is this attorney ???? He makes Gorsuch look like a liberal

[@Michael-nt5rp]

It’s not the Supreme Court’s job to solve the social problem of homelessness; it’s the executive branch’s job. The Supreme Court’s job is to determine the constitutionality of the statute. The Justices should not act as legislators.

[@chavonj4680]

How would it be the executive branch’s? It’s the legislative branch’s, hence why the town is being sued, hence why we’re at the Supreme Court.

[@Littlefoot.]

​@chavonj4680 right! It's like Michael has no understanding.of anything. Or even this case. The legislature is WHY we are here today

[@gregwagner2163]

Gorsuch nailed the issue, 8th Amendment does not guarantee any individual choice that impacts other.

[@AccountantSteve23]

No idea what they're talking about but this Robinson decision sounds like it was Bad. Thats my takeaway

[@TGenoRock]

Not that you read these comments, but good for you, Justice G. Well thought out questions. Only hope that a couple of the other Justices can assemble the same solid, quiet incisiveness. Interesting to see the interlocutor fumble under the weight of your seriousness... And, who says that the government would not increase the facilities available if the law plays itself out? This focus on "status" has been overplayed as a weapon against progress and legal stability. Not the way it should be.

[@thenricks5063]

>inexpensive restaurants to eat My brother in Christ, it is the current year

[@charleswilson8800]

Stop arresting and start building restroom facilities. There are are state and city parks that have grills so cooking outside is not illegal

[@SatanSitting]

Savages.

[@787UrbanApparel]

We hired homeless folks for work and they can not commit to work schedules . Is very difficult . They are very fluid and nomadic in nature , stability makes them unstable . Indian Guru Osho was the only one who knew how to solve this issue .

[@adsrentals]

Public safety and sanitation should be foremost consideration when addressing homeless situations, why should the many be displaced by the few.

[@xMaRus91]

We need to make facilities that help people get off drugs, prevents them from doing drugs, and provides job placement and housing. People get on drugs because of depression from being hopeless.

[@Rawkstar1960]

If the win goes to the homeless, then states will close all public places of gathering, parks, water parks, any place that’s declared as public. My kids won’t have a playground, or a splash park, anywhere that a homeless person can pitch a tent.

[@jotus4016]

But "hypothetical" WORKS with democrat activists Justices/Judges

[@bencarignan2711]

This isnt going well for the state.

[@handimanjay6642]

What protections do tax paying, law abiding citizens have to prevent homeless camping in their yards and communities and exposing their children, friends, and neighbors to their conditions? Shouldn’t the 8th amendment protect the majority of our population first by not subjecting them to the unusual punishment of having to deal with sights, sounds, and smells as well as human waste and criminal behavior? This is punishment without due process. To say they have a right to camp, cook, or live on public land because beds are available or not because of their behaviors gives them free ownership and it is no longer public land is it? If any other animal took up residence in plain sight of the community wouldn’t the laws allow them to be relocated to designated areas where they would be less of a nuisance or threat to the general population? We as a society, the vast majority of which pay taxes to support our laws, law enforcement, infrastructure, and public spaces should not have to tolerate homelessness in full public view. Few, if any, communities would not allow a homeowner or renter to erect unsightly structures, be intoxicated in public, or use the sidewalk or street as a place to relieve themselves.

[@detritusofseattle]

RE: Public urination/defecation I would say that yes, punishing someone for using the bathroom in a public place when there is no available alternative to them would be a violation of the eighth amendment. You ever have to go really, really bad? Like, so bad that it hurts? So bad that it's pretty much forcing its way out? Imagine being homeless in that scenario. It's 3 AM. Nothing is open. There are no public restrooms near you. Your excrement or urine is coming out no matter what. Your choice is whether it comes out inside your clothes or outside of your clothes, and if it comes out inside your clothes you are going to be forced to endure that filth. I would argue that expecting a person to lather in their own filth in order to comply with the law is definitely cruel and likely unusual. That's not to say we can't have some reasonable restrictions about where and how you do it. I think doing it in an alley is, for example, a lot more acceptable than in the middle of a sidewalk, near an elementary school. I also think that someone who does it in a plastic grocery bag and throws it in the dumpster- a standard we use for pet waste- is a lot more acceptable than someone who just does it on the concrete. No homeless person who is exercising due care in where and how they relieve themselves should ever be punished merely because they did the act in a place considered to be public. The reaction to homeless people sleeping, eating, or relieving themselves in a public place should, first and foremost, be to try and help them no longer have to do that. My reaction to seeing human waste on the streets isn't "those darn homeless people!" it's "why aren't there 24 hour bathrooms every couple blocks?" My reaction to seeing a man sleeping in a doorway isn't "get a jerb, bum!" it's "we need to find a place for him to live." I think not only is it unconstitutional to punish them for their inability to sleep or use toilets due to a lack of housing, but it is also deeply, deeply immoral and unamerican. We can do better.

[@xslonk]

This Justice is dealing with a literal child.

[@edwardroecker6015]

Some homeless shelters require breathalyzer tests before a homeless person can stay at the shelter, in some states.

[@alviverdeus]

A perfectly reasonable requirement.

[@maxfulmer3193]

Homelessness is a choice. You choose to do drugs, become an alcoholic, to not work. But the system has also failed. We need early intervention to help the helpless. Mental illness facilities. But if you choose not to change and accept the help, again that is on you. Rewording bad behavior is not the answer. It will take time and a lot of funds to get a grip on this problem . LETS GET STARTED FIXING THE PROBLEMS.

[@isabeljanes8230]

The lawyer who is arguing this doesn't really sound that sharp

[@halfglassfull]

He's probably sharper than many.

[@jackdhillic7400]

I guess we're all helpless victims who require big government.

[@jeffhaase9979]

it is a tough questions but Gorsuch needs to stop interrupting this guys answer.

[@teevee2145]

Homeless win this

[@bart234465]

God this guy attorney is clueless

[@briant7265]

I think the lawyer arguing is actually *trying* to argue against the law. If so, he's failing badly. Gorsuch is dismantling him, and I don't even feel like that's his intent.

[@jimheckert5383]

If this lawyer was a Marine in boot camp , he would be doing push ups forever!