Force 3.0.4 | Ableton Live Control Integration

[@milanwulf]

But is it possible to play instruments with the pads?

[@steffenhenriksen1412]

My question two - if this is not the case then this is not a viable option. it will have to be push2 again :) Cant really see why it should not be possible

[@milanwulf]

@@steffenhenriksen1412 I have a Akai Force now, so I can answer the question: It is unfortunately not possible to play instruments via the Ableton Control integration at the moment. Maybe they decided to not implement it, because the latency over a wireless connection is to bad. However, you easily can connect the midi output port of the force to a midi interface on your computer (or a audio interface with midi ins and outs) and play everything, but I also need to admit that I didn't tested it in the Ableton Control mode (I will do it soon).

[@steffenhenriksen1412]

@@milanwulf Fantastic thank you for your answer.. im fine with just doing it over the midi output, maybe they can implement it on the live control at some point :) Think its time to spend some more money :D

[@jeromevoisin8496]

Song mode ? Footswitch for guitar players with their hands busy ?

[@kgreggbruce1552]

AkaiProVideo must be planning to bail on any future support since the price just plummeted 33% down to under a thousand dollars.

[@mougabo]

Is it possible to move all clips from ableton in the Force so that is an alternative to perform then without the computer ?

[@CosMical-Scales]

Why fix the pads to clip launching?

[@infamousmaggot]

Why couldn’t you all just mimick the ableton ui in the force and mpc just like the pictures from the beta release

[@rogercosseboom]

There's almost certainly copyright issues with mimicing the Ableton UI

[@CosMical-Scales]

I want to use the 8x8 Pads on The Force while controlling Ableton Live! The pads on the force would be a reason to own/use the force, for people who don’t own Push1 or Push2! But it doesn’t work the same way they work! So I spend £1400.00 for a stand-alone / controller that only controls half of what I want to do! Because It no longer is a instrument, While in Live Mode! So I will still need a keyboard/MIDI controller. I spend all that money for a hybrid Standalone Instrument/MIDI Controller that only half controls the DAW! That really don’t seem to make sense! Why would I want to use my standalone unit that can almost fully mimic Ableton Lives DAW functions by itself only to be limited & restricted when in Ableton Live Mode? It becomes a limited Hybrid and will hinder the workflow rather than aid it! In its current state it doesn’t have a useful point to it! The early demos advertised a fully integrated Ableton Live working in the display of the force and the 8x8 pads was able to do what they are able to do in standalone mode and looked to be a joy to use! But this update is not what was promised and advertised! Now it’s some iPad music app like graphic visuals that seems to be adding more confusion rather than a aid to the workflow! The main feature is the 8x8 pads that get made useless when in live mode! This is stupid especially when the touchscreen can handle all the things the 8x8 pads have been locked into doing!

[@cls6200]

So you can’t use the note mode to record a clip in ableton? It just launches clips and scenes?

[@SKRDyaheard]

Yeah stupid that you can't use note mode

[@WestonStephens]

Instead of "Ableton Live Control" Akai should say "APC Mode"

[@reinhardgleisner6887]

I don‘t care for Ableton....what about Song Mode??

[@kgreggbruce1552]

Reinhard Gleisner AkaiProVideo must be planning to bail on any future support since the price just plummeted 33% down to under a thousand dollars.

[@jimmywheelo]

@@kgreggbruce1552 guess not

[@jimmywheelo]

Like Daddy Kane it made it, it's here

[@paucosmos9050]

Once again guys I am lost... Could I use my ableton live with my audio interface and my plugged guitar on it with all my vsts etc and record phrases live on clips on my force project? Also the wireless thing here in my case is not really usefull could I do that? Could you guide me through that with 1.2.3. simple steps?

[@paucosmos9050]

Sorry for shamelessly throwing the same question on the all related videos....

[@andreweyison8406]

How does controlling the note repeat work in this mode? Can you also use the Akai Force/Live Note repeat in Ableton Control mode?

[@iradangelo2637]

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[@jadscott2585]

@Ira Dangelo yup, been watching on Flixzone} for years myself :)

[@jimmywheelo]

Just got the force and I'm pretty blown away to be honest, It has just about everything I could have wanted in an all in one box to use in conjunction with Ableton. One thing I seem to be missing is the Ability to send midi notes from the force into Ableton clips. In other words I want to use the Force to replace my midi keyboard. It seems that one way to achieve this would be by using Force external midi channels via a Midi interface then into Live, but surely there is a better way? Can this be done from within Live control mode? Thanks in advance

[@jimmywheelo]

@ I've worked it out! But you're right there is very little information about this. Ok you should see another option in the midi tab of Ableton Live's preferences for the Akai Force. Make sure that the input side of this has Track enabled. Now in the force create a midi track. Go to the midi output settings for that track and in the output choose 'Remote' as the output port and obv set the correct midi channel for output. This worked for me. Let me know if this makes sense and if it worked for you too.

[@jimmywheelo]

@ yep. Brilliant 👏

[@jckinteriorsounddesign]

Mine won’t even do this. I get a blank screen saying ‘Waiting for communication from Ableton Live’ but it is but it is connected via live link. Ableton midi preferences doesn’t see it as ‘Akai Force’ it shows as ‘Akai Network - Daw Control & Akai Network - MIDI’. Zero functionality.

[@djlethal7583]

@@murphy5970 same here WT actual F!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@djlethal7583]

works with my live not force......OMFG!!!! I got soooo jacked with this purchase!!!! bought new wow!! haven't felt this ripped off in a long time...ughhhhh

[@jckinteriorsounddesign]

Murphy C Yeah turns out we need to upgrade to live 10. More money and had to figure this out because couldn’t get a simple answer from Akai. Also, the workflow is about as “intuitive” as a migraine.

[@djlethal7583]

JCK Interior Sound Design has to use akai midi control center and choose force. Pain in the arse. And big deal. You can’t even use the pads to play synths. Only been able to control ableton clips and scenes. Thanks akai my push already does that really well and let’s me actually play the synths from the pads. Isn’t that amazing. Wow 😳

[@AveMcree]

Murphy C you have to install the current version

[@revelandbask]

I have my Force connected via ethernet and link is active, but when I press "live control" the Force just says "waiting for communication from Ableton Live". I can't get past this message to the actual functionality. Help please.

[@josuearesav]

Same, why does Akai never reach back out to help their customers?

[@revelandbask]

@@josuearesav I finally talked to them a while back. Talked to 2 different people over about 5 hours to fix the issue. The directions were wrong on their page. You have to Hook up the Ethernet and the USB directly the converter doesn't work the way they thought it did.

[@wmextra]

So if you can control session view with the force then you can arrange your songs although I know some ppl like to arrange their songs in arrangement mode in ableton and then you can access all of the Force’s capabilities to enhance your ableton experience sort of just moved my Push 2 out of the way.... is this the Push 3 in disguise?

[@7saigon5]

Can you record Force synth sound into Ableton live ?

[@jorgevasconcelosmadetomove]

i want to do that aswell, becasue arrange mode in the force is a too small and too slow workflow

[@robf.598]

Can you use note mode to control instruments in ableton like you can on a push?

[@camilo5687]

no, you can't.... this is a joke...

[@djrhythmssounds3424]

The next updates should have that!

[@camilo5687]

@@djrhythmssounds3424 I hope, the integration in nice for now.

[@djrhythmssounds3424]

@@camilo5687 How's yours functioning? I have ran into a bug severally since I updated!

[@camilo5687]

@@djrhythmssounds3424 no problem on my way, updated from mac

[@insomniacbk]

Who wants to use force as a ableton live controller. I don't want to use ableto live. that's why I bought akai force. When arrange mode will be included in updates?

[@uiliumpowell4684]

Live and the Force play at the same time?

[@AkaiProVideo]

Yes, via Ableton link.

[@eunacehuntley2776]

now if this was as easy to do as your video says that would be great but all i get is waiting for ableton live (10) to communicate and yes their both on the same wifi network

[@Pupenhausen]

The REALLY bad thing about this update is that they knew a lot of people will have had enough of waiting for song mode, and will want to sell their force because of yet another 'broken promises' update. The same day they slashed prices by nearly a third, making the second hand market worthless. This is a very cunning and ethically disgusting practice by Akai, and having spent thousands on their gear over the last 25 years, I won't be buying from them ever again!

[@open.sessions1145]

100% agree, disgusting

[@marcosrotllan]

Im still waiting to buy one, after last update

[@speakingcolors]

Well apparently we cannot anymore? Talked with their chat support just now cuz I never got it to work on Windows... and they told me I cannot use the Force to control Live? Should I revert back a few firmware update or is anyone still able to do it?

[@owenaitken4754]

Can you view arrangement mode on Force?

[@kitespongan]

Did you ever find out?

[@revdfunk]

I can't believe they've taken all this time to implement a half assed Push clone mode and not prioritised song mode. FFS Akai! I thought this was meant to be a standalone machine? Time to sell and buy a Deluge.

[@danieldannydan1573]

revdfunk deluge looks really nice

[@kgreggbruce1552]

AkaiProVideo must be planning to bail on any future support since the price just plummeted 33% down to under a thousand dollars.

[@carstenherbst2934]

Hello Akai, The Force is still Uncomplete ! can u give a release date for the new Force Firmware providing the Drumsynth and (more important) the Arranger mode (as shown at NAMM 2020) ?

[@kitschrecords]

This would be useful if it could be used to migrate clips, session, scenes etc from Live into Force. Weather by drag and drop or export of a Live session and import into Force. 20 years of Ableton sets are not going to be manually rebuilt in Force from scratch.

[@Corpus_dtr]

Hi and thanks for your comment. I would like to buy the Akai Force but I've some doubts... I use to perform with ableton live and I was wondering if it was possible to migrate ableton sessions to the Akai Force directly... It seems no according to your experience. Have you already tried to Akai force by your own ?

[@WestonStephens]

This seems like a pretty specific request, although I would love that myself. My guess is they aren't looking to steal legacy Live users, but rather making strides into a stand alone clip launch platform.

[@artsalsa7981]

hey, is this possible to play your midi instrument in Ableton using Force pads?

[@AkaiProVideo]

This functionality is not officially supported.

[@devondetroit2529]

@@AkaiProVideothat seems an insane choice, why can’t we use note mode when controlling ableton? What’s the point then

[@Eaonsound]

O.K. Ableton Live Integration is nice , but that is Not the Update , the most users are waiting for . No real Midi Implantiation , no Song-Mode . That‘s a shame for a Company like Akai and a professionell Instrument !

[@kgreggbruce1552]

eric heinz AkaiProVideo must be planning to bail on any future support since the price just plummeted 33% down to under a thousand dollars.

[@DM43685]

I pressed live control and got a blank screen saying "waiting for communication from Ableton live"...this clearly doesn't work, or this hasn't given us pre config details

[@josuearesav]

Still can't connect mine. I get a waiting for Abelton message. And the remote mode doesn't work either, the name of my Akai Force comes up as "Invalid Serial Number" Any way I can get help?

[@sinewavezero]

But you cant use it as a midi controller to play instruments in Live?

[@tombasports]

Where in the holy hell is song arranger mode! I bought this with the promise of song arranger mode being updated. This is a horrible device withoutbit I hate akai for this more ppl should hold your akai accountable

[@nicktrikakis]

I sympathize with you. We opened a public beta program featuring the arranger in August, received feedback and are now implementing it for the official release. If you're up for it, I'd love to show you some of my favorite features and use cases too which may help get you re-inspired.

[@BlakeHeart]

And did you see how bad the eBay resale values are for the force....

[@TeleporterM11]

I am so disappointed ☹️

[@TeleporterM11]

Nick Trikakis Nick when will this release be available. In what update will we get it.

[@tombaonline4829]

Thank you Nick, but I am adamant that this should have been already implemented for us akai force users. You yourself gave an interview that was with Sweetwater where you said akai was dedicated to making the force be the machine to use. I am unsure how to be re inspired?when you say favorite new features and the "official " update what does that mean. I follow the market just like everyone else andf the price drop of 500 shows me akai is uninterested in updating the force at all

[@hitmakers_official]

Agreguen una función de nudge tempo para empatar canciones

[@jimmywheelo]

Can anyone tell me if they have managed to setup "Midi clock start stop sync" whilst using Ableton Live link with the Force? I can use the Ableton Link function but I cant start/stop the Force from Ableton and visa versa.

[@digitaldiezel5870]

Thank you AKAI !! Great THIRD step in the right direction!! Keep up the good work, and keep the features coming! None of these people know what it really takes to develop software. Stay focused on the vision, and see it through!!

[@claudiongleur]

Digital Diezel no but THESE PEOPLE didnt buy it from the devs ,who are certainly doing their best, but from the COMPANY Akai that isnt giving us what we were promised(almost a year later). So props to the devs, F U to Akai/inMusic that only cares about ¥€$

[@kgreggbruce1552]

AkaiProVideo must be planning to bail on any future support since the price just plummeted 33% down to under a thousand dollars.

[@digitaldiezel5870]

The price drop after only 1 year is not a good sign.

[@IsotonikStudios]

@@kgreggbruce1552 don't you get bored of repeating yourself??

[@kgreggbruce1552]

Isotonik Studios mind your own business, fascist.

[@jayjayjay391]

Can anyone help me please.. I have a force and ableton 10 live I have download akai and turned both onto WiFi but akai doesn't recognise it on the network.. Its asking me to enter the IP address to find it? Where do I find this please

[@davidsteffens3952]

This update looks like a half assed disaster. No arrange mode, no integration of note mode in ableton, nothing. This is a joke.

[@TeleporterM11]

David Steffens It’s so strange, they had it in the last 2.7 video I saw. Remember the one they took down. An arranger has to be in there . Something is wrong. I saw even Sweetwater had pictures in their catalog of the arranger song mode.

[@davidsteffens3952]

Roger Starchild I just can’t believe they could be so tone deaf to their standing in their customers eyes that they would have the audacity to release ANY update until it was the big one with arrange. These people must be living in their own strange world.

[@AkaiProVideo]

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[@tombaonline4829]

@@AkaiProVideo NO you promised a song arranger this is insane and have had one in the beta testing

[@kgreggbruce1552]

AkaiProVideo must be planning to bail on any future support since the price just plummeted 33% down to under a thousand dollars. That’s a sure sign of them quitting on their product.

[@gyptakl23]

hey guys... HOW DO YOU LOAD YOUR PROJECT ? LOL... I've been searching for this solution for hours... I simply do not know how to load my project from my Akai Force onto my Ableton Live... I have setup everything with Live Control but my project is not showing up on my laptop on Ableton Live ! :( .... can you please help ?

[@kennethwilson6112]

I don't care! Can you allow use to record all sixteen pad as track directly into Logic Pro X or Pro Tools? I would find that more valuable than this! Did you buy out Albeton?

[@digitaldiezel5870]

Yes! This would be a great update for hybrid users! I’ve been thinking about this exact feature. I hope the hardware supports it. Keyboards like the Montage and Jupiter XM have their own channels that show up in the DAW...Force should do that too.

[@jasonesty3880]

For the record, I don't own the Force but I almost accidentally bought one last week. I have a solution for the end-users though. If AKAI is going to drop active support, the solution is to open-source the firmware and let the community take over administering the bug fixes. This hardware has such potential and it's a shame that AKAI is being so closed-lipped about the difficulties they are having giving their users what they want.

[@WestonStephens]

Who says Akai is dropping support?

[@AveMcree]

The akai network drivers won’t allow me to get pass step one🤦🏽‍♂️

[@IZYSTUFF]

dont even find that Driver....

[@DJTechnoboom]

It doesn't work damit

[@redbirdsaraceno]

NO NOTE MODE !? How could that most basic feature not be there !? Guess ill stick to my push 1 and return the force as it’s pointless for me without a note mode . Unless i cant find the settings or something but so far nothing on that front . How were you expecting people to enter notes via live playing ? I guess people can mouse click notes or use an extra keyboard/ controller to enter notes but WHY !? its hard to fathom that most basic of features was left out of forces ableton link capabilities but apparently it was even though the ableton link feature has existed for like 4 years now and still thats not included in updates ? thats a really baffling decision by the devs.

[@zanerichter3806]

What about simpler integration?

[@geraldbrown9279]

Do I need to already have Ableton live for the force to control it? Does force come with it?

[@CosMical-Scales]

The Touchscreen is like an iPad so there is no need or point to lock & restrict the 8x8pads to doing the functions of the screens limited functions! In fact an iPad can control the playing of instruments while doing all the other functions so it’s not really like an iPad or iPhone or other smart devices! It is restricted as much as it could be so Akai Pro can slowly free up one feature at a time for as long as they can before releasing the Next Model of the Force! This is a big disappointment for me if I knew they was going to make it end up like this I would have sent it back while it was still in its warranty if only I didn’t want it to be a successful update and was trying to keep the faith in the Force and faith in AkaiPro making it work well with the force of a MPC But they are purposely trying to make it a worse product, like as if they are afraid it could be potentially better than the MPC so they are stopping it’s growth. 60 plus pads that could be used to play keys now becomes locked to one set of functions that are already controlled by the touchscreen! The fact they could have made the Force work just like an MPC but with more pads, but instead they change all the functions and restricted many of them And changed the workflow beyond recognition so it doesn’t work as well as the MPC’s and the workflow of the MPC is Iconic so they could have made the Force run the same way only with 8x8 Pads inviting 8x8 plus possibilities but it don’t have that workflow! It has a brand new limited workflow built from the engine of the MPC but made to be weaker and not as fun to use! And I’m sure the update for the MPC’s allow pads to be used for MIDI Control. So the Force is purposely made to be restricted/limited. Why when the Force was the only one out of the two/three devices known to be getting fully integrated Ableton Live DAW control but is the only one out of the 3 devices that doesn’t have it or it is the one that has been given the most restrictions out of the lot! Even though the MPC’s wasn’t planned to be getting the feature it is been given more than the Force! This proof that Akai Pro don’t want to make the force a success

[@HOLODECK-MUSIC-PROJECT]

MJAS HONOREBELION think, that is bullshit, sorry

[@CosMical-Scales]

@@HOLODECK-MUSIC-PROJECT, You can think what you like! I think what I like! I think your catching feelings for Akai Pro or you’re defending the Force as if you feel like I offended you so you are calling my thoughts & opinions “bullshit” I would have probably responded to you differently if I saw this a year ago!👀 However, as you took the time out to read my comment & you obviously didn’t spend around £1500.00 for the Akai Force like I did only to find it wasn’t what they advertised it to be and the functionality was less than originally claimed to do the Ableton integration is weak not fully integrated at all a cheap MIDI Controller can basically almost fully control Ableton Live & the Force was the price I mentioned when it came out and it doesn’t have MIDI Control & it has only just implemented MIDI Mapping over 7months ago and the updates & marketing has basically stopped & the MPC Series’s is doing Ableton integration adverts with no mention of the Force as if the Force don’t exist with the same functionality even though it was promised to be a Force functionality! I personally think that if a company has a Ableton like Device that is supposedly a Standalone Ableton like DAW that isn’t mentioned when advertising Ableton Live Control for MPC’s but the fact that the Akai Force don’t get mentioned alongside the MPC’s is worrying because the Force should be at least mentioned as a Akai Pro product that also shares the same functionality’s plus is newer than the MPC brand so the perfect opportunity to get more interest in the Akai Force would be to mention it alongside the MPC’s as an Member of the Family but the fact they haven’t Marketed the Force with the same energy as the MPC’s they get a retro makeover and new range not that I want a new model Force to come out I would prefer Akai Pro to focus on the Force as much to make it work better and make a Force Software Program to compliment the Hardware and allow it to work as a Plug-in inside any DAW because the Ableton integration isn’t there yet still!👀 There was two updates since this video and the improvements are there but not nothing that wasn’t already there when the Akai Force was advertised over 2yrs& almost 3yrs ago and updates have stopped and promotions have stopped for the Force so it doesn’t get its own Force Expansions or Software & they released a free MPC Beats software it also gets its own expansions but the Force has to share the MPC’s Expansions yes they are the full expansions but the point is the Force was Expensive and the Forces functions get shared with MPC’s the individuality’s only apply to the MPC while the Force doesn’t even get a mention when it comes to advertising Ableton Control and integration functionality that was first promoted as an Akai Force feature!

[@josuearesav]

@@CosMical-Scales not to mention the update they released last week to all their hardware and software, except the Force. It's fucking sad. Makes me want to sell the Force. Even the AT still doesn't work properly. 😒

[@digitaldiezel5870]

Akai, these people don’t even know the difference between a major release and a minor release... they don’t even know they should be happy right now...they should be filled with anticipation for 4.0...

[@alexmax9832]

No Digital, we attend by one year

[@kgreggbruce1552]

AkaiProVideo must be planning to bail on any future support since the price just plummeted 33% down to under a thousand dollars. Don’t fool yourself.

[@kgreggbruce1552]

Digital Diezel there won’t be 4.0 - stop being ignorant. They just plummeted the price knowing they are going to bail on this overhyped lie.

[@digitaldiezel5870]

Gregg Bruce You may be right, thats not a good sign

[@kgreggbruce1552]

Digital Diezel that’s why their reps are silent on their videos and forums - they know they screwed people.

[@CybreSmee]

Wish this worked with Bitwig.

[@wilkopiano]

Akai network midi driver is not fit for purpose. In windows audio dev monitor.exe locks all usb devices preventing them from being used in ableton without powering off my 3rdparty usb midi controllers and powering back on again. I’ve had an unanswered ticket logged for 6 weeks and no response! Disappointing very close to selling my force. There is some weird race condition going on with how the driver polls the midi devices in their last state. Why is the akai audiodevmonitor.exe polling devices in the first place! It should have no jurisdiction over other devices. I have 10 usb midi controllers and it seems to hit a max ceiling limit of polling more than 5 devices.

[@Wendel_Kos]

Although Note Mode would be cool, this is still a great way to perform your Ableton Live tunes, uhm live :) This is something you cant do with any other hardware, specially in stand alone mode....You make your tunes with Ableton, move it to the Force and perform in a club....whooha booyah!!!

[@myceliumtechno]

AKAI Force's use case is standalone. It's development should be focussed on making the standalone use case even stronger. Making the user interface and user interaction even better. The biggest frustration for me is that new features are added while there are so many obvious bugs, and poor decisions made on the UI. I really like the potential of Force. Itt sounds great. But the interface can do better.

[@myceliumtechno]

Also Akai is probably the worst in customer feedback. It really bothers me. I'm used to companies like Elektron and Teenage Engineering that are part of the community they created. Akai underestimates the power of a strong community. They seem unable to open up.

[@vinylselektaz6475]

I Never learn how you use Ableton anyway

[@nucentury08]

Sorry as a beta tester I can’t lose Arrangement mode .

[@JamieClark]

Geronimo London Geronimo so it does exist?

[@GeorgeCopperfield]

Very poorly explained. Is this all used through Ableton Link ? You show no computer with this tutorial which is salient.. because it's integrating with Ableton Live **WHICH REQUIRES A COMPUTER**

[@enfield20]

So that means, there is no point buying a sampler/groovebox and an apc into a modular hardware rig + ableton live combo, instead I just buy this baby, sample and sequence my outboard with Force and run VST’s in Live? shut up and take my money 🤤 anything I can’t do in this Ableton control mode the Apc40 mk2 does?

[@claudiongleur]

great- now force is a mediocre Push 0.5 - no notes mode, drum rack... we want propper midi, ProgChange, STABILITY, using extrenal controllers(CC) etc this probably takes even more Ram and makes it even less stable... Force COULD be so awesome...

[@alexmax9832]

STANDALONE MACHINE???? WHERE'S??? WAKE UP AKAI!!!!

[@kgreggbruce1552]

Alex Max AkaiProVideo must be planning to bail on any future support since the price just plummeted 33% down to under a thousand dollars.

[@WestonStephens]

@@kgreggbruce1552 Or the unit was over priced to begin with and this is market correction. The Force is still young in its product life cycle, they will sort out its short comings.

[@romboid]

No multitimbrality, no song mode, no midi out for synths, no stems export, no overbridge thru usb.... ----> NO TRUST FOR AKAI

[@davidsteffens3952]

Wrong company on overbridge that's elektron

[@romboid]

@@davidsteffens3952 i know that perfectly. I meant something like that, using USB to send audio to daws muktitracking

[@kgreggbruce1552]

AkaiProVideo must be planning to bail on any future support since the price just plummeted 33% down to under a thousand dollars.

[@digitaldiezel5870]

Pablo Malatesta You can export session stems and open them in Ableton. Then you just drag the sessions into the arranger view or record a performance. Midi file import would be nice as well as multi-track recording over USB. I’m not a fan of this song mode idea though, and I still don’t understand why people want to use the Force multi-timbraly from an external device, instead of actually using the Force. Don’t buy a Force for that, you really want a Jupiter XM or a MODX.

[@romboid]

@@digitaldiezel5870 Hi. 1: i mean stems as recording a full performance in tracks, muting an changing things on the fly, not clips It should be internal stems export or at least 8track multitrack USB out. Today, i cannot récord multitrack my performance 2: multitimbrality is not for using It as a module, for example, i have a keyboard connected, and i cannot play one instrument on It and at the same time another on the pads (an arpeggio f.e.)It is crucial for live performances. It should be EASY to implement

[@oscof2699]

If you want to despair and throw almost 1,100 euros in the trash, this is your perfect product, ableton link does not work properly, besides being difficult to use .... whatever akai .....

[@wmextra]

You guys, you always could create songs in Force just structure you’re bars and make edits and automate in Force using standalone mode this update should make the work flo easier With automation and using the scenes I creatively think of Force as a Push 2.5 I never owned a piece of akai hardware I’m so excited about this can’t wait to get home may The FORCE work well within my Dopeness!

[@davidsteffens3952]

I make a ton of music with my Force, and there are work arounds. But this is a huge Fuck You from Akai to all the people who purchased this with arrange mode promised. Arrange Mode has been working in beta for months according to testers. Now we see the price of the Force plummeting in stores, and it does not bode well. I’ve tried applying for beta twice and they won’t invite me, and others in the same position have contacted support for help getting in and they won’t do anything. They say have a great day instead, something you tell people when what you mean is go fuck your self.

[@tombaonline4829]

Don’t give me that akai promised song arranger

[@davidsteffens3952]

@@tombaonline4829 are you talking to me? It's right there in their advertisement in sweetwater.

[@wmextra]

Hey guys the more and more I try to adapt to this wireless update I notice that I may need to insert the Ethernet cable to get it to work lol soooooooo what do I do with my Push 2

[@davidsteffens3952]

William Extra you can’t do what you can with Push 2. You can’t do note mode or control drum racks or any midi stuff like that. Just clips and mixer.

[@thaexception3406]

Wow

[@MadelnMachines]

No note sequencing is a big deal breaker

[@insomniacbk]

Gentleman, Akai introduce New fxxking expensive ableton live controller.

[@ericsummers2112]

1st One Here

[@robf.598]

2nd