Star Wars News | The Disney Era of Star Wars | Inside The Hollywood Reporter Article

[@yarnstead]

Thanks for another thoughtful discussion! Really appreciate your channel. I’m from the upper Midwest like Joseph (Wisconsin though 🧀) and I’m 59, so Star Wars was one of the fandoms of my teens! I found ForceCenter through SWE and love hearing your perspectives on all things Star Wars. I am here for the buffet…or the ice cream parlor of Star Wars flavors.

[@ForceCenter]

Thanks! We appreciate it!

[@namleki]

This was such a great discussion. I never understood why there was so much hatred for the prequels, but with the sequels I understood a lot of what people didn't like. But I remember when I was watching The Last Jedi for the first time, there were things I loved and things I REALLY didn't like. And I had to think about it for a while afterwards when I was trying to decide if I liked it or not. I realized that I did like it despite it's flaws. Then I realized that was true of every Star Wars story that I like. They're all flawed in some way or another, but I like them anyway. I've come to realize that I love Star Wars BECAUSE of its flaws. It's what makes it fun, and so much more than just a story about wars in space.

[@dawgfanjim]

TFA was euphoric to me. Chewy we're home gave me chills.😎😎

[@garyshaller8294]

Fan since the original was in theaters. I adore the Disney SW content, particularly the sequel trilogy. It’s all just fun, and it’s all icing on the cake!

[@zachmartin6519]

Normally if I saw a video with the word’s “Disney” and “Star Wars” in it I would assume it was a rage bait video and scroll by real quickly…but I trust you guys, so I’ll give it a watch.

[@Igor_the_Mad]

This was a really good discussion, and helped me reckon with some of the overall discussion about the franchise that has been boiling for a few years now. Thanks for keeping things positive, but sharing some earnest opinions and criticisms. It's very refreshing.

[@spedtchr25]

Buffets are good. Some people are unhappy and will always be. I like the variety too.

[@disgruntledjedi7352]

What frustrates me most about Disney+ shows is the extremely short runtimes. Star Wars is huge, & when there’s an opportunity to experience it weekly, that is an event each week. When the episode runtime clocks in at less than 30m (excluding credits), it disappoints. Feel if the episodes were written to run for 45m-1h, we’d get more impactful, developed stories, & a phenomenal Star Wars experience! Amazing episode today!!

[@Vulcanerd]

A nearly 2.5 hr episode of ForceCenter with Ken, Jen and Joe!? Sign me up!

[@matthewrudoy263]

I don't think Star Wars taking a break will help address any toxicity. Toxicity is always going to be there.

[@yoshimitsu5537]

How was I not subscribed to this channel before, you folks are great!

[@Vulcanerd]

Is this the same Yoshimitsu from the Settle the Score discord?

[@yoshimitsu5537]

​@@Vulcanerdthat's me! Good to see you 🙂

[@Vulcanerd]

@@yoshimitsu5537 Wwoooo~ So glad to see you here!

[@Poptalkandaliens]

People forget that Attack of the Clones & Revenge of the Sith weren’t even the #1 movies of the year when they came out. The revisionist history around Star Wars being once being an unstoppable bulletproof franchise has created a convenient narrative.

[@katakesh8566]

So .... Being labeled #1 by some committee and being "unstoppable" are two different arguments. Neither of which you really want to have. Star Wars is making about a billion in merchandise rn under Disney. And has been making that much roughly since acquiring Lucasfilm. Issue is Lucas was making roughly 4 times that much each year(adjusted for inflation), years after ROTS. Given the reception of the prequels by "fans". Disney had a wide open lay-up and somehow fumbled the bag. The brand that used to print money isn't printing money. Which is kinda impressive ngl

[@michaelmccarstle4527]

It's wild that the cynical jerk who wrote that article tried to accuse them of being creatively bankrupt and that "The Mandalorian and Grogu" will just be a long episode. It used to be that fans of a show would be losing their minds with the hopes that their favorite show could get a movie. Entire fan campaigns have been launched in that hope. Now, some of these journalists and critics are just so jaded and bitter, that no matter what, whatever gets done with a franchise/property, it's the wrong choice. It's so pathetic, the depths these people will go to to find something to be mad about.

[@spedtchr25]

Everyone has different ideas on what progress is. People do not understand nor are taught how to debates ideas constructively, but to lash out on social media instead. While there is some truth to what Jennifer said about a group of fans, most of us are just wanting entertainment. The movie industry is so focused on checking boxes for every group out there that it 42:20 loses its appeal. Most people don’t look for that to be entertained. The small group that does is loud and scary to the industry. It’s not the “white guys” driving the writing now. Variety is wonderful and it should be natural not forced. I loved Acolyte and Rings I had no idea of the goobers mad about any of it until I was already watching. It didn’t change my mind. The industry wants the drama and turmoil. It’s free advertising.

[@CATDRL2]

Love you guys, even if it's 3 a.m. in the morning.

[@marjoe32]

Thank you for this. Yall can send the words in my brain out to the world. I find myself nodding furiously. More Star Wars for More People.

[@StarWarsNobody]

The Mandalorian & Grogu movie is going to be super fun!

[@AlastorVizsla]

2026!!!

[@Igor_the_Mad]

I don't even care if it's "just a big episode of the TV show". Give me Mando and Grogu on the big screen where we'll see them in a whole new way.

[@Vulcanerd]

The Snakes On A Plane Effect, also more recently seen as the "Re-release Morbius" movement.

[@bald69bc64]

Great Episode Guys👍🙂...Just to say for me personally I've enjoyed the buffet that we've been given...But with all the discourse & noise, I sought of agree with Jenn's point that Star wars should take a break...But if it did go away for 5..10..15 years ..the ones that will be complaining the most that there is no Star wars ..are the ones complaining that everything's rubbish now

[@tacobowler]

Ok, you all have made me feel a lot better about that focus group idea. Thanks for your perspective

[@BobbyM817]

Great discussion as always. The world is a dark place but you three always provide peace and hope.

[@1138JoelN]

Fantastic episode of ForceCenter!!

[@austinjules]

Once again love your channel and discussions!

[@Vulcanerd]

I was so excited to hear Jen mention that she got the figures she wanted with Din and Sally... then I about peed myself when she wasn't sure if it was Din or just a generic Mandalorian (or even Fett) unless she got her glasses on 😂❤

[@yodasdad]

TROS's box office was lower than the other 2, but it was cut short (a bit) by Covid. It was a hair behind Joker, which it would have beat had it been in theatres longer

[@The.Crawling.Chaos.]

It still made over a Billion dollars so I say financially it was fine.

[@RatGirlAnna]

I think a lot of people, including me, will feel a lot better about TRoS once it's not the end of Rey's story

[@perrywakefield1698]

Thanks!

[@ForceCenter]

Thank you!

[@dbapto6994]

Good morning, guys❤❤❤❤

[@amaranthpaean]

Admittedly, my first reaction to the superfan focus group announcement was, “Oh no!” Like many other commenters, I can see how this could go very wrong; for example, if it resulted in the studio demanding creators make wholesale plot changes to remove controversial ideas or characters. But you’ve talked me off my soapbox… or at least onto a lower tier. Using an infrastructure that already exists to make sure you are marketing a project appropriately? Smart business move. And picking people who know both the material and the fandom, so you can get out ahead of any controversy? Very considerate, very compassionate. However, I still think that studios need to hire more people with diverse perspectives at both the creative and managerial levels. Relying on fans to tell you what you should have already been doing is slapdash at best and dangerous at worst.

[@marjoe32]

27:25 i concur that noise is how I feel too.

[@nicholasarkis6116]

Well said, everything. Always choose hope.

[@spedtchr25]

Keeping quiet in advance- totally agree! They say too much too soon and people lose their minds.

[@Billionth_Kevin]

I think its a bit of an "investor day" issue. Disney has to keep the hype up for investors, which is a problem. I have long said Disney doesn't make Star Wars they just distribute it, but the lines are definitely blurred when these things crop up

[@amaranthpaean]

And finally… I like Joseph’s suggestions for improvement on the Disney+ live action side. I think that investing in a show, a set of characters, and producing multiple seasons IS what they did with the New Republic era (“Mandoverse”). I am biased because I love BoBF, and I hope a second season of Ahsoka will sell you all on the show because it makes me sad to hear it criticized. But the pandemic, the actors’ and directors’ other commitments, untimely deaths… these all played a part in the disconnected feel of the Mando collection. Animation, on the other hand, can be produced way ahead of time and then queued up so it seems more like a traditional television schedule.

[@DaleESkywalker]

Happy 10th, *Rebels!!!* Do they wrap up *The Mandalorian & Grogu's* story in the movie? *Resistance* was awesome as long as Kaz wasn't bumbling and screaming, and Opeepit was awesome.

[@marjoe32]

Kenobi, Acolyte, Book of Boba Fet, Rings of Power, House of the Dragon. I had to unsubscribe to too many channels because they continuously had a problem with the black actors and POC. Sometimes overt, but mostly subtle and using "lore" and "cannon" as a veil for rasism and sexism.

[@Vulcanerd]

Once again, my favorite captain in the galaxy spouts wisdom about creation and how evil is devoid of creativity! 😛❤️🖖

[@spedtchr25]

Rings of Power season finale was so good. I have now commented too many times. 😅

[@Poptalkandaliens]

37:55 my thoughts exactly. I think Star Wars needs a break. For a multitude of reasons , most which you all discussed. But also because Star Wars scarcity has traditionally been part of what makes it special. Some time off would allow the next project to be evaluated on its own merits. At this point with continuous content being released regularly, it’s all falling into one amorphous blob that is viewed by many simply as “Disney Star Wars”. For better or worse.

[@gbvraul]

Holy crap, I love the way you guys discuss Star Wars. Yes there have been mistakes, but all in all we are in a golden age for the amount of great storytelling.

[@YodatheHobbit]

The Disney era? You mean since Star Tours in the 80s?

[@amaranthpaean]

Yes, I enjoy fanfic, and have even read some of the stories in the fix-it category. I like imagining how things could have been if Anakin had gotten some therapy or at least listened to his better angels, if Ben had seen past Snoketine’s ooze and recognized the the good in his family legacy. But if the writer has a comment to the effect that Lucas or Disney or [insert other person involved] “ruined” or “broke” Star Wars? I’m out. Same with people who tell me why they didn’t like a show or movie and list of the ways it “should have” gone. I don’t have the energy or temperament to engage, so I just respond with a shrug and some variant of, “I’m sorry it didn’t work for you.” or “I try to engage with the story as it is presented to me.” or just an, “I loved it!” The latter works especially well for people going on an anti-woke tirade, like relatives. 😬

[@dawgfanjim]

I loved Solo & Rogue one two of my favorites outside the OG

[@jmorgan3977]

The buffet metaphor only works if the food is good. Personally, I don't want any of it if it's not gonna satisfy. Maybe I do like pasta and tacos, but that doesn't mean I'll like just any pasta or tacos. I haven't enjoyed a D+ Star Wars series since Mando S2.

[@BobbyM817]

There’s still plenty of other Star Wats storytelling to enjoy like in the comics, books, video games, animated shows, etc… sorry you haven’t like any of the Disney+ shows! Art is subjective after all. As is food 😉

[@jmorgan3977]

@@BobbyM817 oh trust me, I know art is subjective. I preach that very fact. But understandably, I can be bummed when I haven't enjoyed any of the recent live action Star Wars entertainment. Comics, animations, and games aren't quite the same.

[@goodwolf152]

Disney era content has been very uneven, but from a narrative perspective, the main problem for me is that the originals were adult movies that kids and families could watch, while the new content is by and large FOR kids/families. Not strictly a Disney thing, though…that really started with the prequels, IMO. The best ones have deviated from that model (Andor, Mandalorian…even all the way back to Rogue One).

[@starwarsrevealed2046]

Lucasfilm need to keep making the message of inclusively etc etc see Andors diverse cast BUT stop having creators PROMOTE that as being as important as the story. People don't like being preached to and then look for flaws in those people preaching.

[@BlackRobin71]

The problem isn’t that I can’t relate to a young female character. The problem is that the characters are paper thin and the story was make it up as you go. The sequel trilogy was such a wasted opportunity.

[@Fuuntag]

I was going to watch this but at this point. I just can’t care anymore. It’s been too much for too long with all the Star Wars nonsense.

[@joaovunje]

41:00 ok Center but that's not the point with Disney SW/era.... for sure nowdays there's network for fascists fans all around content. But what started this cultural war was bad writers who made a mediocre sequel for the most antecipated mythology return of our lifetime. Its not really about gender or race of our heroes, it was a nonsensical storyline that pushed tha rock downhill. And Lucasfilm took more than 10 years and STIIL not delivered a proper storytelling and exciting use of incredible characters.

[@noHOPEof]

*-* a surefire variety of plotlines that continue to • fortify / / result in • arguably innovative pathways that ○ more than hint ○ at Sidious and Anakin( actively juggling *bricks 'N screws* ) ◆ *. . .* channel ( non SciFant )Cam and Zay just witnessed 2001 *Angelo Badalamenti's* espresso nap of ire

[@The.Crawling.Chaos.]

WTF did I just read???

[@WokeWinner69]

Umm hi folks really enjoy the podcast so I don’t want to come across as a hater or anything but…could you please stop putting the screen with Jennifer Landa on the bottom below you two? I know you don’t always do it and you don’t mean for it to look this way but subconsciously it really makes it look like you think women and non binary folks are beneath men and as a trans woman who has only been ‘out’ for a few months, I find it a little triggering and upsetting. Thanks love ya all ❤

[@JenniferLanda]

Thank you so much for sharing your perspective with us! We have had conversations about making sure that we switch up our screen order every episode. But I now see that we could be more consistent with it on the main show. We'll definitely be more mindful of our placement going forward! Thanks again for your feedback, and we really appreciate your support! ❤

[@auntvesuvi3872]

Thanks to Ken, Joseph and Jennifer! 🛜 I think Disney is good at STAR WARS, but it can be way better. And if anyone watched the documentary THE IMAGINEERING STORY (2019), Disney is very good at figuring out what it takes to make something work. I hope they apply that skill to Lucasfilm projects.