Forced Induction (Part 7): Q&A with Magnuson Superchargers, Can you go too big?

Tech Tuesday: Forced Induction Series: Positive Displacement Superchargers with Magnuson and Mike Sitar.
0:39 Positive Displacement Superchargers
1:15 What are the major benefits of going with a Positive Displacement vs Centrifugal?
1:26 Low speed operation...
2:00 Instant torque
2:20 No longer is it just low to mid range? But now you can carry that power all the way through
2:53 New units avoiding high IAT's
3:00 GM platform ZL1 Z06
3:35 Taylor made compressor map
3:50 Most popular question- What are the different types of blowers?
4:11 Roots blower
4:23 Blow holes, no compression
4:36 Screw type
4:47 compression with a twin screw
5:24 This is why we developed the TVS Series
5:30 5 3 and 4 6 is what measurement is that?
5:52 Limited by maximum speed
6:20 Bearing speed is based off this
6:47 Eaton
7:19 Compound Boost
7:37 TVS's are all this type of blower
7:45 Average street car- Which one would you go with?
8:10 only limit is size
8:35 TVs's are on all OEM vehicles out there
8:55 How to correctly size a Roots style blower?
9:23 Camaro 2300
9:45 Peak torque peak power
10:00 6.2L pickup I would go with...
10:28 Power under the curve that makes the car go fast
10:45 Joke: What is the difference between a 400hp Supra and a 1200hp Supra?
11:10 Average shop would look at this...
12:00 No low speed surge line
12:40 Z06 flat power curve at the top
13:00 One is a volumetric device
13:30 Are these maps available for purchase online?
13:45 Eaton makes these for OEM only
14:15 5.0 Mustang what size blower?
14:55 You need that torque to get that car moving
15:15 Softer on the tires
15:30 RPM vs throttle position
16:00 Difference between running 9's vs 10's
16:10 Can you go too big on super charger?
16:50 Get biggest engine you can
17:25 Right now the answer is ....
17:30 Types of customers, from light to crazy...which blower fits these customers better?
18:20 Biggest thing comes down to size
18:45 Anything big will leak at low speed
19:15 pumping losses are there at...
19:30 Parasitic definition
20:10 it's not a 50/50 mix
20:30 with roots you always have a positive displacement
21:30 Air charge side of the equation
22:50 Optimize intercooler
24:30 Head to dyno to validate #'s
25:30 I'm a drag racer. I was at Eaton for 12 years.
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[@tejasfelix5577]

mind blown. .. wow I'm going to have to watch this 3 more time's to soak up the information. . wow and I want the new style 2300 .. ? .. 😨😨😨😲😲

[@wythetrumpet6419]

I run a 2300 Magnuson on my 6.0 liter 2009 Pontiac G8. It makes 600 hp with no problem on 93 Octane.

[@TwinTurboRamAir]

What mods are done to it? How much boost?

[@wythetrumpet6419]

I had the active fuel management removed. I added a beefier cam to support the supercharger. Dual fuel pumps, Bosch Injector Dynamics 1050 fuel injectors, Rotofab cold air intake. Right now I am only running 6 pounds of boost. I thought about more, but the 6.0 liter V8 already has a 10.4 to 1 compression ratio; but trust me the low end power is extreme with 6 pounds. The torque comes on quick and the redline is now at 6,500 rpm. I also have the car set up to run E85 with 2% methanol added directly to the fuel. It does not have methanol injection. The car has 3 inch stainless works X pipe exhaust. After the mods were completed the shop had it on the dyno a couple of days to get the timing real precise. In addition to the engine mods I had Pedders suspension components installed, including cradle bushings, springs and sway bars. Just switching to E85 and meth adds almost another 100 horsepower. The biggest limitation is the tires. While I run Michelin Pilots, they just go up in smoke from a standing start. If I ran the car at the drag strip, I would invest in some good slicks. The car is a sleeper but just sitting at idle it sounds like a Hellcat or Shelby GT 500. It is quite capable of hanging with them on the Saturday night trips to Mexico!🙄

[@redmanrunna]

I wanna live on performance island

[@TheNumbers400]

Best background music of any youtube video I have ever seen.

[@jasonbeaulieu4979]

Looks like Magnuson needs to supercharge it's internet connection. Also, asking a supercharger manufacturer these questions is pretty ridiculous. Hey Pepsi, what cola do you think has the best taste? Hey Pepsi, complete the following sentence. If you were at the beach on a hot summer day and wanted to quench your thirst, you would pop open a bottle of_______________?

[@amalfi460]

I learned more from this video than any video before

[@IaMaWeSoMe7478]

For the mobile users(thumbs up so people can see this)..: 0:39 Positive Displacement Superchargers 1:15 What are the major benefits of going with a Positive Displacement vs Centrifugal? 1:26 Low speed operation... 2:00 Instant torque 2:20 No longer is it just low to mid range? But now you can carry that power all the way through 2:53 New units avoiding high IAT's 3:00 GM platform ZL1 Z06 3:35 Taylor made compressor map 3:50 Most popular question- What are the different types of blowers? 4:11 Roots blower 4:23 Blow holes, no compression 4:36 Screw type 4:47 compression with a twin screw 5:24 This is why we developed the TVS Series 5:30 5 3 and 4 6 is what measurement is that? 5:52 Limited by maximum speed 6:20 Bearing speed is based off this 6:47 Eaton 7:19 Compound Boost 7:37 TVS's are all this type of blower 7:45 Average street car- Which one would you go with? 8:10 only limit is size 8:35 TVs's are on all OEM vehicles out there 8:55 How to correctly size a Roots style blower? 9:23 Camaro 2300 9:45 Peak torque peak power 10:00 6.2L pickup I would go with... 10:28 Power under the curve that makes the car go fast 10:45 Joke: What is the difference between a 400hp Supra and a 1200hp Supra? 11:10 Average shop would look at this... 12:00 No low speed surge line 12:40 Z06 flat power curve at the top 13:00 One is a volumetric device 13:30 Are these maps available for purchase online? 13:45 Eaton makes these for OEM only 14:15 5.0 Mustang what size blower? 14:55 You need that torque to get that car moving 15:15 Softer on the tires 15:30 RPM vs throttle position 16:00 Difference between running 9's vs 10's 16:10 Can you go too big on super charger? 16:50 Get biggest engine you can 17:25 Right now the answer is .... 17:30 Types of customers, from light to crazy...which blower fits these customers better? 18:20 Biggest thing comes down to size 18:45 Anything big will leak at low speed 19:15 pumping losses are there at... 19:30 Parasitic definition 20:10 it's not a 50/50 mix 20:30 with roots you always have a positive displacement 21:30 Air charge side of the equation 22:50 Optimize intercooler 24:30 Head to dyno to validate #'s 25:30 I'm a drag racer. I was at Eaton for 12 years.

[@wilbongary506]

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[@jamesavery6671]

Those are some small blowers though compared to what whipple puts out. Whipple has up to 8 liter blowers lol. That's a lot of cfm . I think the guy is spot on but he's probably straying away from big blower talk since they only got a 2.3. The 1.9 liter is only rated for 120 hp for a 5.3. A lot of guys start putting small pulley's on them in no time and get belt slip trying to spin them faster to get the cfm as a bigger blower.....so do your research and know your power goals. superchargers are not as adjustable as turbo's so it's more important to know your power goals. Twin screw seems to be better everywhere as well besides price.

[@sugarman454]

Well said!

[@stevenp3176]

What makes a blower small or big is how much air you want to push. If you have a very large supercharger spinning slowly it won’t be efficient in lower rpms and will add boost similar to a centrifugal. Those situations will always be down on torque for a small increase up top. A TVS is proven more efficient 15psi and below when properly sized. The new 2650 outflows the Whipple 2.9. A TVS not in boost doesn’t create heat. A twin screw always has pressure building within the case. They will produce a cooler charge at 16-25 psi ect. The reason for a smaller TVS is the oem cares about average torque not necessarily top end HP. They also last well past 100k miles. The latest 2650 had a 2500 hour continuous endurance test at max rpm at 22k rpm.

[@KTger]

James Avery you’re reading hp on the box, 1.9 and 2.3’s are capable of support big power north of 1000hp crank. It all depends on the motor and your starting point. Belt slip occurs on any size belt, be it 6,8,10 or 12. Companies like ATI starting offering pulleys that are grooved for resistance to slip. Big liter blowers don’t necessarily make more power, the 4.5 Whipple in fact is limited by the factory crusher inlet at 170mm and can’t support enough air flow to fully utilize the size. The benefit of the larger blower, is it by default pushes more air into the motor thus require less boost or rpm to generate the same power at one half its size. This is why Whipple runs significantly cooler on operating temps than a Magnuson. Turbo’s are efficient because they use exhaust gasses. They are not easier to deal with in general tuning, and only over racers that compete in the street or strip finer methods of dialing in their car. Superchargers like my own 4.5 Whipple Extended Drive, pulleys/belt can be swapped in minutes and tune for more/less boost flashed. They also react well to Nitrous, E85 and Methanol which are additional devices that can help gear the car. Whipple is taking factory 5.0 Mustangs and going 8’s with their 3.0kit. It currently takes a custom twin turbo system to get mustangs into the same numbers and there are faaarr fewer of these guys running around

[@jamesavery6671]

@@KTger Can you make the crusher inlet bigger though ?

[@jamesavery6671]

@@stevenp3176 Magnuson compared their new 2650 to they're smaller units and it seemed to be just as responsive down low compared to the 2300 and 1740. Being they are all positive displacement blower's which make roughly the same boost everywhere in the rev range I don't think a larger blower would be all that laggy but then again I don't have experience with them. Here's an article from kennebell that disagrees with the smaller is better argument.kennebell.net/myth-small-superchargers-are-lighter-and-cooler-running/

[@SG-nl2uk]

Where do cylinder heads fall in this i have a 04 cobra with a vmp 2.3 pulley for 22/23ish will i gain 🤔 are Lose

[@kymwheare2462]

Is it 12 years or 20 years at Eaton ...??

[@maxgermain]

You guys should podcast this show. Easy listening for us who are always moving.

[@stanistheman12]

Superchargers hell yeah!

[@craizygolf1980]

What's best for the 2500HD SILVERADO 6.0L ? I pull trailer

[@pitster]

Maggie takes forever to release anything. This is why they petition you to stick with a 2300 saying anything else is too big...bullshit. You want big HP, you run higher boost, more fuel...They released a 2650, but not for all platforms and drive around and post endless shit on their white camaro. It a a rock solid PD blower, but the largest unit is a 2650 that isn't released for the late model 5.7-6.1 hemi's everywhere with no intention to.

[@perrottarober]

Talking about a 2300 is to big for a 5.0... there are 600+HP Honda K20 and K24s running TVS2300s. That is a 2.0 and 2.4....

[@TheStroker65]

The positive displacement blowers on the funny cars and top fuel dragsters are NOT a roots type, they are a screw type. Namely the PSI blowers, and there price tag reflects it. Screw blowers cost more than roots style blowers. Just wanted to add my two cents.

[@geneticrex]

Wrong. In the nitro classes ALL blowers are high end roots style, by rule. In the alky classes, the screw is allowed and the PSI is the blower of choice.

[@pitster]

Nothing like positive displacement blowers, problem is with Maggie, they are limited to dinky ass sizes with rotors made by Eaton.

[@nyplantingsgardendesigners5645]

Mag chargers are great. I have decades of these on my cars. Added plenty of good times to my life.

[@stevenp3176]

The rotors have to spin to a certain rpm before they become efficient. If you’re below this rpm the supercharger doesn’t put out much power. This is most noticeable with the larger TVS/whipples are being under driven well below their efficiency windows. Below 7k blower rpm they just suck. Low torque numbers show this. Also come on Magnuson you know exactly what the parasitic loss and discharge temps based on blower rpm/pressure ratio ie boost. This the exact reason why the 2650 is a different design vs the rest of the line up. Also the reason why the 1740 is avoided when possible by aftermarket kits. It’s the worse version efficiency wise.

[@seethruhead7119]

Bob "makes perfect sense" Morreale

[@Jandjspeedshop]

Really enjoyed this video and learned a few things. Been dealing with and installing Magnuson products for close to a decade.

[@LaiTLL3tHaBGr7]

I would love to ask you something considering your experience. I have a 2014 5.3l gmc sierra, and I've been checking the options to boost it. So i am considering the whipple or the maggie ... i am leaning towards the maggie but i am guy and i want bigger. Magnuson offers tvs1900 for the 5.3l and I think it's upgradable to tvs2300 .. what do you advise me to do? Stick with the 1900 or 2300 ? Or maybe even getting a whipple? Thank you

[@LaiTLL3tHaBGr7]

I should say that this truck is 100% my daily driver. I don't want to worry about driving it for long distances or pushing it to its limits

[@ParissaKhoury]

@@LaiTLL3tHaBGr7 get the TVS2300

[@LaiTLL3tHaBGr7]

Eddie b omg this comment is 2 years old. Anyway I got the whipple and I really enjoyed it. I installed king coil overs and drove the hell out that truck on sand dunes and streets. I sold it to my brother a year ago. It’s now lowered and it’s his daily driver

[@ntme9]

2018 5.3 GMC. 2.3L Magnuson or 2.9L Whipple? Pros and Cons of each?

[@stevenp3176]

ntme9 The 1900 will be a better SC for a stock or cammed 5.3. The 1900 is more efficient quicker to boost up to around 750crank.

[@srt8soldier478]

Installing now on my magnum srt8 6.1. I'm not sure how it'll perform as a partial daily driver on the highway for 40 miles or a road trip 400 miles. Any experience or thoughts with that scenario?

[@MrPugheaven]

Did you do this buddy as I'm thinking of buying the 2300 for my SRT8 Jeep GC... what power did you add?

[@srt8soldier478]

@@MrPugheaven I did. CAI, 85mm BBK TB, Magnuson TVS 2300 Supercharger, SOS Coils, BBK LT headers, Magnaflow 3' Catback, 180° thermostat, Ding Racing Valve Body (trans tune not flashed yet). Just installed new Supercharger pulley 3.1, tensioner pulley, hellcat injectors, and waiting on a new dyno tune. Still running the Magnuson 5lbs tune. My last dyno after SC install was 465 hp and 455tq. Gonna try and dyno this weekend.

[@MrPugheaven]

@@srt8soldier478 Nice one, cheers for reply matey. So, before your latest mods... 465bhp and 455lbs @wheels, so we're looking around 600bhp aren't we there at the crank give or take.

[@Resistolitin]

Great video.

[@olveramelinda]

Whipple the 🌎

[@markrich3271]

Ive owned and raced every forced induction system sold. though out my years I find turbocharging to be the most efficient. I love compound systems and see them replacing allot of systems in the future. Its what I have on my current v8 setup .

[@blaze2051]

1900 on my 2.4 honda motor lol

[@jbravo70]

How do they compare with TRD Superchargers on a Tundra?

[@ParissaKhoury]

TRD is garbage

[@bradsnow3211]

Could you explain for those of us who dont know or are trying to learn in what way are TRD superchargers garbage?

[@fbanda20]

I’m going with an eBay electric supercharger.

[@LoveMyKleeKai]

is this part 7?

[@abdulrahmanalharthy2732]

roots supercharger the worst in the market unless its big block + mega blower, best superchargers are centrifugal and twin screw.

[@abdulrahmanalharthy2732]

plus turbo allows win if we compare it with supercharge

[@hanifsimpson]

abdulrahman alharthy You do know that TVS is even more efficient than a twin screw right? Don't shit on something because you don't have it and/or jealous. I just hate your type ranting on the internet.

[@LS1NNOVATIONS]

shut da fuck up and sit down. u have no clue what ur talking about

[@gigahertz627]

I am looking to add a supercharger to my Ford Fusion. I want to increase HP by 100, around there anyway. Can you give me some advice to fulfilling this goal. Or how to go about increasing the HP with the Twin turbo system on the car. I am a novice.

[@2015_Rubicnn]

I love my Procharger

[@happymanasfksubaru2846]

R S why

[@chrism.728]

Because they're more efficient and run cooler than positive displacement blowers. Less parasitic HP loss and higher peak HP than positive displacement blower too. On a street car/daily driver, Procharged vehicle are showing stock like MPG under normal driving condition under 3K RPM, but turns into a monster above 3K RPM. No need to be at max boost under 3K RPM on a street car, unless you don't care about traction issues, MPG, and engine life/longevity. For a track car, I would definitely go the turbo route! You get lots of power with efficiency.

[@chrism.728]

deadboy600 Manufacturers use positive displacement blowers, because they're a little less expensive. Manufacturers also know that most consumers will never take these cars to a track/dragstrip. The positive displacement blower provides consumers with good low end power and torque for street, daily driver use under 3K RPM. Centrifugal superchargers are more suited for track/strip use above 3K RPM. Also, because centri blowers operate a lot cooler when pushed hard at the track/strip, you can get more consistent, repeatable performance times on back to back runs. With PD blowers you see noticeable drops in performance on back to back runs, even during dyno runs.

[@2015_Rubicnn]

@@happymanasfksubaru2846 Why? Because it makes great power, it's easy on the drivetrain and less heat soak.

[@happymanasfksubaru2846]

@@2015_Rubicnn 2015_ Rubicnn 2015_ Rubicnn hey everyone thanks for the reply i did not see the comments I have got now 2014 holden vf (ss), 😊 Magunson supercharger makeing 475rwrk 1200nm

[@JETBYE]

there shit i had a 1900 and there so crap my turbo 75/75 kills it

[@darrenmcfeaters6683]

Tvs is used in oem because of price. cheaper to make. And there efficiency is limited.

[@flubdreload2818]

TVS superchargers are the most efficient superchargers on the market.

[@KTger]

Peter Marino No they aren’t, Screw Superchargers are the most efficient and why many versions are banned in certain professional racing classes. No one runs roots blowers in the big leagues bucko..