Ford 10 Speed Transmission Problems? CDF Clutch Drum

ford 10 speed transmission problems? The ford 10 speed has been out for a while now. In this video I break down the most common problems I see on Ford 10 Speed transmissions.
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[@brandobecerro]

Ford from 2017-2023 “that hard shifting and clunks are normal characteristics of the transmission” Ford in 2024 “well we got a fix for the transmission and it’s a new CDF drum. Also, you are SOL if you’re out of your warranty”

[@DynoSauR4Truth]

There are several lawsuits going on that may force Ford to replace them out of warranty. We shall see.

[@grizzlyridgerunner]

Nice job, Mason, explaining the problem and the fix .informative individual, you are .

[@markwalter3319]

Part number for upgraded drum would be amazing, thanks

[@florythm1222]

?????

[@florythm1222]

Part number

[@user-np6zu7eu9q]

JL3Z7H351B Direct from Ford for their 10R80 and GM's 10L90. Fits both.

[@user-np6zu7eu9q]

JL3Z7H351B

[@100pyatt]

#FORD_NEEDS_RECALL for this Major transmission defect ✅✅

[@Apollo.308]

Thank you for covering more on this transmission. I own one and it’s got me worried but more prepared now. Im usually the first to say extended warranties are a scam but it might come out cheaper in the end if I keep this truck for a long time.

[@Chewvwy]

Ford should be offering an limited extended warranty on top of the power train warranty just for the transmission just because they've created so many problems with this design. If they really fixed the problem, it shouldn't cost them anything and it would show they stand behind their products. Asking the customer to spend a few more thousand dollars after spending an average 70k on their vehicles to begin with to fix a poor design I'd shady.

[@o_issues_o]

Hope they come out with this same fix for the 10r140 also... My CDF bushing did the same thing, 2022 F350.

[@Jewalston]

My 2021 F-250 Slams into reverse and drive, about every 3rd or 4th try. The other times its smooth. Think this is what's wrong with mine? It has no codes

[@o_issues_o]

There is a TSB 22-2252, where dealership can flash the TCM, and has fixed that problem for some people. The flash fixed the harsh Reverse and Drive shift for me, but the grinding/vibration on the 4-3 downshift was still present. I had low line pressure b/c of the bushing blocking the fluid passages, and blew out the teflon sealing ring @@Jewalston

[@Jewalston]

@@o_issues_o Ok. I've been watching these videos between this channel and PTT on these 10R140 Trans for a while. I just called the dealer and set an appt. It's also extremely violent when it shifts into 4wd low. It yanks the entire truck forward.

[@o_issues_o]

They can flash your TCM, and then you will need to drive a couple hundred miles for the trans to relearn shift strategies. If it continues to do this after that, I would say it is this CDF bushing, or maybe your valve body causing the problem. @@Jewalston

[@kenj.8897]

Its the reason Ford has to charge 30% more than their vehicles are worth so they can cover all there warranty claims

[@jeffreygoss8109]

You’d think if they just fixed the shit they know is wrong they’d save a fortune. All they need to do is buy the product from a better manufacturer.

[@JAMESWUERTELE]

I used to be a Ford fan. I have a 1997 F-350. This is the last Ford I will own. I went to Nissan and moved on to Toyota. I wish Ford would make quality vehicles like they did before 2004.

[@Jacob-xj4yk]

Dude crazy thing is the 6 speed was proven.. I’ve had 3 6.7’s all over 250k miles driven hard/deleted with tunes never once had any issues with trans lol .. hard working farm trucks pulling trailers heavy loads cross country .. sad ford is going down this route

[@Jacob-xj4yk]

I’ll mention my 2023 now has 23k miles and it is shifting weird already. Searching for gears often with flared shifts lol

[@jeffreygoss8109]

@@Jacob-xj4yk I feel for you. My friend took his to the dealership who said they didn’t notice anything to avoid the warranty repair

[@johndelossantos1572]

I’m glad I went with the new Tundra. My 2023 10 speed shifts amazing.

[@mohammedomran8915]

Super experience guy..hats off 💪🏻

[@davewallace9048]

You are a excellent mechanic!!

[@draggngmac386]

Awesome informative video as always 🦾

[@harveyderpcat6824]

I had this tsb completed in September of last year, took them 3 months to do it due to parts being unavailable. The Ford dealer I went to did provide a loaner for the whole 3 months they had it. I haven't put that many miles on it only a few thousand but at least its not clunking and banging into 3rd and 4th gear anymore.

[@roynichols5212]

Was that your main issue? Hard shifts? Or was there any other symptoms?

[@harveyderpcat6824]

It would have a very hard down shit into 4th or 3rd gear and it would feel like you were lightly rear ended, it was hard enough to jerk the truck. @@roynichols5212

[@pinkysgarage4517]

Thank you for this!

[@Chewvwy]

2020 Expedition here. Had the transmission rebuilt at 49k and now scheduled for a 2nd rebuild in a month. I'm hoping Ken Garff Ford American Fork is aware of this. If they're not, they're getting a link to your video. Thank you.

[@brianblithe2271]

Did you ever cut open that diesel truck upper oil pan that came fd up from the factory ?

[@dewrus2153]

Thanks for all the great content. Could I ask you to consider making a video where you detail the symptoms of the various issues with the 10R80? The different issues it seems to have may present differently. I have a 2020 F-150 and every once in a while, if I put it in drive from a cold start, it will act like it's in neutral. I'll give it a little gas and nothing...but if I let up on the gas and then hit the gas again, it works fine. Probably has done that about 6 times in the four years I've had it. The other issue is becoming more frequent (like several times a day). When I accelerate under moderate throttle, if I let up on the gas at the same time it upshifts, I get a muted clunk sound. Took it to my dealership and they said if I have them look at it, it's currently a 6-week wait just until a "transmission tech" can even troubleshoot it. Additionally, they can't schedule that tech to look at it and have me just come in when they're ready...I have to drop it off now and then wait 6 weeks to get it looked at...ridiculous!

[@kenj.8897]

Did you pull the cab for this ? 🎉

[@user-or7xc9nh6p]

How haven’t they released a recall for this issue?

[@faithwalk007]

Mine is at Ford right now getting transmission rebuilt. I’m still under warranty, but from what guy told me Ford is just taken care of the issue even outside of warranty. I hope this fixes the problem in the long run.

[@anorakadventures]

@FlyingWrenches13 what are your thoughts on transmission flush vs. drain & fill and how often?

[@Suh.Shaikh1986]

We need help in sourcing out the parts to fix this issue in our 2018 Ford Expedition XLT 3.5 Ecoboost PLEASE 🙏

[@TMillon]

What’s the item number on the new drum

[@someguy4476]

I have a question about the adaptive tables for transmissions!! How do I contact you?

[@endeavor11]

2021 F150 with 31,000 miles and I had to have my transmission rebuilt because of slipping. I asked if there were new and improved parts put in it and they didn't have an answer, called ford but couldn't get an answer. Is there a way to determine if my rebuild included new re-engineered parts in it? Thanks for the video.

[@100pyatt]

The updated part didn't come out and told May of 2023

[@Apollo.308]

What’s the tsb number?

[@dorianf1456]

I'm looking for a f150. I'll make sure not to get 17 or newer. 15 and 16 it is for me. 17 and newer also has cam phasor issues.

[@702Kinnal]

So will this stop the hard shifts on the 2019 5.0 when you are around 30 MPH and the Powerboost shifts extremely hard through every gear? Just figured it does that cause it’s new and learning. Idk it’s just weird to me

[@deronbaker3899]

My 2017 Explorer Limited w/ Ecoboost had transmission failure at 55k. It was slipping after cold starts for probably 20k. I hear you implying but can you confirm the 2024’s are fixed? Thinking about buying a F150 because I really do miss that explorer but want a pickup and most of these new engines scare me so my choices are slim. Thanks in advance and thanks for the information!

[@muffinhater69]

So my 2020 ford expedition needs trans work. Advisor said it was the a clutch that failed. Any idea what the cause would of been or is this a common issue? 40k miles on it

[@kineticenergy1085]

So, are you saying I can bring it in and they perform this TSB, or, take it in, say I want the new CDF drum, spend $6k and drive out with new drum? Already had my entire trams replaced at 59k and new one still shifts like an idiot sometimes so wondering if new reman is FUBAR too

[@user-kc8gf7rf3v]

Is this covered by ford? If so, is there a mileage limit? Love your channel bro

[@FosterFarmsOk]

only if you still have a warranty. If not better take out a loan

[@dalid.4403]

The Mustangs with the 10R80 has the same issues?

[@justins8768]

What would my symptoms be?

[@Hurricane9146]

Bro I got a 2014 mustang gt with the 6R80, tranny flares up on the 5th-6th gear shift. The only time it won’t flare is when I equalize the throttle before the shift. Help!

[@maplesgamer378]

Just had a new 10r80trans put in my 2018 f150 5.0 at 110k miles May 2023, did they put this new drum in the new ones or do they need to be built? Is their a part number or model number for the new ones to see if I have this drum? The new trans has 100k or 3 year warranty

[@64special300]

Concerned as well. Would love to know. Mine is an 18 3.5 EB and shit the bed at 50K

[@dylanhawkins3756]

Can you make a video on common reasons your radiator fans stay on high in 2011-2014 f-150s?

[@travistravis8954]

I have a 2014 and I noticed if the temp outside gets in the high 90s, my fan stays on the entire time the engine is on. We had a 2013 f-150 work truck that did the same thing. 160k miles and no issues tho.

[@beatachevy289]

If you've had your air-conditioning serviced, that's a symptom of the system being overcharged. Some vehicles leave the factory overcharged and some people use the DIY trigger cans that easily put you in overcharged territory.

[@stevedotworld]

Yeah my 2020 is starting to slam into gears. I’m at 103k miles.

[@konkan5728]

Would transmission JL3Z7000F have the updated drum? That is the trans Ford put in my truck about 1 year ago.

[@saidtheblueknight]

You didn't mention the Mustang 10R? Is that different with regards to this issue?

[@Ponyo3816]

Bump for the same question. How about us Mustang A10 owners?

[@davem3789]

Are all parts and labor covered by Ford?

[@snakeph]

What about the 6R80?

[@theccarp]

What are the symptoms? I took mine in because it sometimes slams into third, and fourth to fifth feels like it just drops off for a second before it shifts. G If it down shifts into ninth and eighth, it slams into those gears too. 2021 F-150. Ford said it's normal.

[@adrianarreola7467]

The 10R80s are clunky by nature. They really only like to shift smoothly when harder on the throttle. But if you got a 3-5 skip shift slamming that's due to the CDF drum. Also going into 10th gear and if i remember right if you get stuck in those higher gears 8-10 then CDF drum is probably causing clutches to stay engaged

[@florythm1222]

What is the new updated part number for the drum ??

[@florythm1222]

????? Part number

[@glennpromotionsllc3499]

How do you make this trans survive 1500hp

[@joshuritis1039]

What about mustangs w the 10 speed? I didn’t hear u say that… but I’m assuming a lot of em still got it… im wondering too man cuz I wanna swap a 10 speed auto into a old school someday… soon

[@Van_Liberty]

I have a 2020 Ford Transit 3.5 Ecoboost van. Will I have the same trans issue and does this TSB mean to bring it in even if I don't have a complaint or WHEN I notice an issue. My van is still under warranty...

[@adrianarreola7467]

TSB means if you take it in for a shifting concern this is something a tech has to do in order for warranty to cover it. Like a troubleshoot step per say. I would take it while it's still under warranty and complain about the shifting so that it gets taken care of

[@aaroncostello25]

Yup that was the issue with my 2018 f150...

[@gregsmith983]

I have the 18 also. Did you get it fixed on the jerking between gears?

[@aaroncostello25]

@gregsmith983 I had it fixed under factory warranty, probably 2 years ago. It would shift very hard into 2nd or 3rd gear and had many other weird shifting symptoms. It didn't do it all the time but when it did it was very noticeable.

[@gregsmith983]

So they did the CDF Clutch update?

[@gregsmith983]

Mine shifts hard when going to 3rd it will skip 4th and jerk into 5th just pisses me off.

[@davisverner9936]

It’s showing on TSB this CDF was changed in August of 22. Is that wrong? My 150 built in July of 23 should have the updated CDF

[@berni303]

I guess it can be retrofitted into 2017-2023 10r80. What the cost of the repair would be? We need answers. :)

[@gregsmith983]

Is this the reason the gears jerk?

[@champinsoccer9]

My 2020 ranger has had this issue since day 1. I took it to Ford over the last few years about it. They always told me "it's normal". I even showed them the research I did saying it's a bushing but of course that wasn't it. What happens with mine is 3rd and 4th gear. It loses line pressure (I'm assuming the hole that's blocked is it losing line pressure). And it feels like the whole truck loses power for almost a second, then comes back like it's normal. I had to take matters into my own hands after the dealer kept telling me they can't do anything about it. I changed the fluid to amsoil and pan to a better one and it shifts like butter. The line pressure issue remains, I hope they fix it for me this time ... After dealing with them about this I told myself I would never buy a ford again. Its been ridiculous

[@wingnut2339]

@@champinsoccer9 My '19 Ranger occasionally has this issue as well. It also feels like the torque converter does not disengage when coming to a stop.

[@dillenchaniceursuabelt9845]

Hi I have a delayed shift from 5-6 also when I put into reverse the truck jerks, i took it to the dealer and was told if it just needs an update it would be $300 and warranty would not cover updates And if the update doesn’t fix it then they would see if my extended warranty would cover it Do you know of an update fix shift issues? And if I can get it done cheaper else where

[@adrianarreola7467]

An update COULD fix it but it's rare. All the update is gonna do is clear the valve body memory and try to relearn how to shift. If it doesn't fix it then at best a new valve body is needed. Otherwise it would need a tear down to see if, i think it's A clutch that's messing with 5-6

[@timothybarrett2976]

What are the symptoms of this failure. My 19 has always seemed off from typical trans shift characteristics. Have had it reprogrammed and it helped but still shifts different. My truck is still under warranty so what would I say to the dealer to get this fixed instead of the typical can't recreate issue while waiting for warranty to run out.

[@adrianarreola7467]

You'll have a harsh 3-5 skip shift. That's the easiest symptom to pick up

[@davidhodge3894]

Is it a recal

[@LesMains-s9s]

can you help with my 2020 expedition max 3.5l EcoBoost with 10r80. After drove for 20 mins when trans at 5th gear and I hit the gas pedal hard to accelerate, the car feel like something hit it ( vibrate hard) and no gear show in the dash, after 1-2 second its show 4th gear or 5th gear and keep driving fine. does not happened when cold start. I checked fluid at 206 deg and it is between 5 and 6 on the dip. only happened at 5th gear with accelerate hard. soft acceleration did not happen.

[@stevenl34]

Went to local Ford yesterday for this and they said there are over 30 trucks in front of me. They said I could leave my truck and they would get to it in two months. I guess I will drive it till it won't move anymore. I'm under warranty for 40,000 more miles

[@gadgetmantwincities]

Does ford replace this at no cost?

[@OneTwoFourFloor]

Just gotta leave your vehicle there for a month, and hopefully while you’re waiting to get your vehicle to it’s appointment that it doesn’t fail

[@rasheedrodneyroberts1568]

Does anyone know what company makes this upgraded drum or have the part # ? I'd like to make sure this fix is done correctly the first time. I hear so many stories of people having their transmission fixed or replaced and then it goes back in.

[@CampinGHANDI]

JL3Z-7H351-B. that is the f150, expedition, navigator and 5.0 mustang cdf cylider. JR3Z-7H351-B this is the ranger and 2.3l mustang cylinder number.

[@markbearden5764]

So if I were to order a new 2024 F 150, would it come with this improved part?

[@Brocephus77]

Buy a Toyota

[@kevindodge2103]

@@Brocephus77 in case you haven't heard the toyota's are having problems also

[@Brocephus77]

@@kevindodge2103 all manufacturers have their problems. Ford is one of the top TSB and recall manufactures problems.

[@DynoSauR4Truth]

I'm truck shopping right now and thought that I wanted a 17 and up F-150's with a 10 speed. Until I drove 2 2019's back to back and they both had jerky shifting when under no load at lower speeds. When starting to accelerate it would jerk into gear on both trucks so now I'm shopping for a 2015-2017 that have the 6 speed transmission and have the 5.0. Any problem with the 5.0 for those years?

[@adrianarreola7467]

Nah 6R80s are less problematic. They're built with stronger internals that won't wear as easily

[@DynoSauR4Truth]

@@adrianarreola7467 well, this issue kind of drove me towards buying a Tundra.

[@wingnut2339]

Would this be covered under the 5 year 60,000 mile powertrain warranty?

[@AbjectMaelstrom]

If you're still in the warranty period (milage/years), yes. But, it'll have to have symptoms of the TSB and they can replicate them. If they can't, you're not getting anything new without paying for it. Unless they turn it into an recall after enough failures.

[@diulaylomochohai]

is 2024 models fixed from factory?

[@ramonahumada4]

Does it affect 2021 ford Bronco?

[@georgelin8498]

Bronco is 10r60 so yes

[@michaelb1037]

With this being a $200 part, what is the repair cost?

[@dylanbriggs8295]

Anyone know how much this costs with a TSB? I’ve got a 2019 ranger that shifts rough even went with a tune to fix the shifts but I still notice harsh shifting. Thanks in advance

[@AbjectMaelstrom]

I've been quoted from 6300 to 7800 between 3 dealerships. I'd look into indie Ford shops, one near me guy is a ford tech and was doing these for $3600.

[@kepple319]

So I have a 2021 f150 that slams into gear. I had the valve body rebuilt through this tsb, it had lessened the amount of times it occurs. But now all the sudden the have a new tsb that supersedes the previous tsb and doesn’t include 2021-2023 F150s. So the dealer won’t replace the cdf drum. Eventually they’ll have a tsb that includes 2021-2023, but it will come out once most of us are out of warranty. They acknowledged it in the previous tsb but now it magically vanished. Very very dirty Ford

[@stephenbloom2545]

How much is that repair

[@ericgrainger9278]

$8200 at mall of Georgia Ford

[@nicholasy2715]

What's the probability of having this problem ? 1/100 or 1/1000?

[@truckacabrarex9831]

Part number ?

[@tomlambert4556]

I’m dumping my 2019 3.5 when the warranty is expired. Oh the cam phaser shoe hasn’t drop yet

[@tunnelvision2day]

Hey bud how common is this? Are u seeing it alot? I got a 150.. And bought the 5.0 because of ur videos.. Now I'm stressed about the trans.. Lol

[@DavidGonzalez-bz1lc]

Mustangs excluded?

[@jeffreygoss8109]

This drum is just DIY drop in replacement, right? 😂

[@champinsoccer9]

Actually a company commented on a 10r80 video saying they're working on an affordable fix for it, a snap ring to keep the bushing into place.. but that was 1 year ago they commented and still nothing from them

[@user-rn2ws4kx7p]

The latest campaign. Bulletin.

[@jsned2502]

Could the jerking and harsh shifting caused by the adaptive learning cause the failue in the CDF drum? Would driving in Tow Haul mode keep it out of adaptive learning mode?

[@kenj.8897]

Didn't he mention in the best 150 video about how great the 10 speeds are over the 6 speeds ?

[@gregsmith983]

I have an 06 f150 with 6 speed still smooth as day on drive it off the lot. The 10 speed is pitiful and I was told at dealer this is the way it is.

[@Cuhyote]

10r80 shifts faster The 6r80 holds power reliably

[@stephenbloom2545]

My 2011

[@MrSweetHart6976]

Great video 👍 If I get any brain damage in the future and I'm dumb enough to every buy a ford, I will definitely subscribe to your channel 😉

[@1798iscomingback]

Back in 2017 I special ordered a F150 that cane with this crap. Took it to the dealer several times until the dealer admitted that there was a problem and Ford was working on it but would not admit it has a problem. It was the only vehicle I ever returned after the lease was over. Total POS....

[@landhomer4627]

they should've sticked to 6 speed

[@fightgame8356]

That’s a lot of words. Now how much is this gonna cost me?

[@Occuria1]

I hate how this transmission acts.

[@Killerviz80]

Had a 2018 expedition max with less than 70k and the transmission totally failed. Ford refused to do shit about it. That’s why I’ll never buy another new ford.

[@supergyi]

@fordbossme You see this? 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@kenj.8897]

He is too busy making immigration videos.lol

[@TJ-qz6hr]

ImmigrationBossMe

[@MrRupus2020]

Ford should have eaten every one of these. Poor quality. I still don't understand why the 10L80 doesn't have this issue?

[@gregsmith983]

Yes they should.

[@sourdoughbornsourdoughbred4712]

Awful. All trucks are now a joke.

[@freedomforourfallen3755]

Maybe ford should pay you for the stupid to stop

[@fuckjewtube69]

Great to know after doing a couple of these, having the customer spend thousands and then realizing they all needed full rebuilds instead of just the stupid valve body like the TSB said. After dealing with this shit I will never put another valve body in a modern vehicle again. Full rebuild or fuck off. You cant diagnose modern transmission, you have to pull them out and take them apart and rebuild. There's no way to determine if the valve body is at fault or the planetary gearset or anything else while the tranny is still in the vehicle.