Ford Fiesta ST180 review after 4 years and 61,000 miles...

[@johnlepoidevin141]

Hi Mark I have only just come across your video, rather by accident and realised, that's my car! How are you? Quick update; set a PB at Wiscombe Park in April, 2nd in Class at Abingdon in June with a Class win on the second course but they add the best from two courses for the result and I was driving like an old f**t in the morning. Finished off at Goodwood with a Class win in September, 3.8 seconds faster than I'd managed in my Alfa and 3.6s faster than in a borrowed Honda S2000(my son's). Just starting to get the hang of it when winter arrived. I've done nothing to the car except check those hoses, glued the o/side front door seal to the window frame and checked the oil level. We did 1000 miles last week through France, Belgium and Germany and, apart from the noise under load it was fine, returning 44mpg without trying to economise. Now I am going to clean those seats. Again! 66,000 miles on the clock and thinking about how to go faster next year.

[@MarkCup70]

Hey John! It's good to hear from you. I did see my/your car at the tail end of a clip (parked in the paddock) of someone else driving an ST up a hill climb. You've had some Impressive times in it compared to your Alfa and great results. I'm so glad it's still serving you well and doing what it should be doing.

[@Teekly]

Had my 17 ST for a year now, put in 13k miles. So far no problems

[@Sprocket85]

I spent the whole time watching this video wounding why you gave up a fiesta st for some Hyundai...properly confused the whole time. Happy to here a proper explanation

[@Matt7R]

I skipped the MP215 package, I went straight to Stage 2 with Revo, got to say, glad I didn't bother with the MP215 or any other Stage 1 package, the difference in power and 'shove' as you say is truly epic, couldn't imagine having my ST any other way now. It's incredibly fun to drive! I imagine it's very similar to the MR230, but my ST with Revo Stage 2 is running just over 240hp so probably has a little bit more 'go' in it than the MR kit, but probably isn't much in it in the real world! Was certainly a lot cheaper though! To go from stock to Stage 2 with Revo it only cost me £2150, everything included (fitting etc.), couldn't be happier!

[@joechmiel709]

at first it was a sad video, letting the fiesta go (especially for a hyandai) but good on ya, the rs is a great car to trade up to. for me I'll be enjoying my fiesta st as long as I can, and thanks for the vedeos, the St community Is top notch

[@PECKTHERECK]

Are you still enjoying it?

[@2WheelSam]

Great video! Love the clips and pictures you’ll look back on this in years to come with cracking memories

[@hearthjunkie8173]

I'm going to leave the RS standard he says, let's see how long he can resist the urge lol. I'm currently running a white fiesta st myself. Had it new since nov 2016. Great car, already got mods planned for it.

[@MarkCup70]

We'll see! I genuinely plan to...it will be hard resisting FPM375...but I've never ever thought before that 350bhp would be lacking on the road so I'm going to try and stay strong...and standard.

[@jamesmiddlebrooks116]

HearthJunkie I see you've had your fiesta for a little bit I'm currently thinking about buying a 2014 ST realistically what kind of Cost in upgrading my looking at if you can compare the 2 models thanks a lot

[@sparkplug964]

Thanks for the head up on the Fiesta ST, they look a great hot hatch.

[@MarkCup70]

They are indeed. Try one, you'll not be disappointed.

[@dragonflyjade1]

Great summary of the ST. Detailed graphs! Crazy driving by the Focus at 6.30min.

[@MarkCup70]

That was a perfect example of the problem with the ST - others, and especially 'siblings', seem to have a point to prove and he almost got wiped out in the process!

[@NDBBDB]

Fantastic review, very informative. Thank you. Just thinking about buying a used one of these, so your video has come in very handy. Good luck with your RS hope you enjoy it, look forward to seeing your reviews on that too.

[@bongodave13]

Got the MP215 and the shift kit. Everybody likes more power, but any more would change it too much, I think, for me. The extra torque and top end power make it plenty quick for daily driving, while keeping it quiet and smooth.

[@ducky-o7y]

I have the same, 215 and shift kit. but 2 years in and im thinking stage 3 might be fun.

[@bongodave13]

I don't doubt that. I just like the small turbo and real-world power. More power = more fuel, and more tickets, here in the USA.

[@hydraflyer]

Excited for the new videos. A person down the road from me has a 17 plate blue mk3 RS and it looks stunning.

[@candidcars]

Hey Mark, what an excellent review you've put together here. I purchased a Fiesta ST last week and have already found much of what you have said to be true. Great to know about the boost clamps e.t.c and your opinion of the MP215 - which will be my Christmas present to myself. Once again, thanks for the excellent video.

[@MarkCup70]

No problem Oli, glad you found it useful. Thanks for watching! 👍

[@NevanteGames]

anyone else notice the merc in front of him do a savage pass at 6:28

[@_rhapsodist]

yeah, what a dick

[@yorkiebuilt4451]

0:24 RIP Pigeon

[@HomeGamerProject]

ur jokes hahahaha

[@sheldonm3535]

Very honest review. Thank you!

[@Cameronvial]

I love the Fiesta ST. They are really great little cars. Enjoy the RS. I really love the RS as well. They are amazing cars. I am a huge Ford enthusiast. I own 2 Fords. I love and adore both of my Fords. I will be watching your next vids for sure.

[@BlueSkyCrystals]

I’m test driving a silver ST tomorrow. I’ve heard about the paint issues from many sources, so I’m looking into painting the car one day.

[@ryanoneill2352]

Good video thanks. I will be following your route from ST to RS but my ST has only done 20,000 so far in 3 years so hoping to keep it another year or two then maybe get a used RS. I always seem to be 2 or 3 years behind everybody when it comes to cars haha. Thanks for uploading!

[@MarkCup70]

I was planning on a much longer term ownership Ryan...but then I realised that I could (hopefully/probably) suffer less depreciation on a new RS than I did/would on my Fiesta. Man-maths is a wonderful thing!

[@mightyrs4221]

Nice vid, look forward to RS videos, I'm sure they are going to be great :)

[@butchmeister80]

great review seems the only issues where when you modified it. depreciation image etc stealability worst points

[@MarkCup70]

Thanks Chris. As I said I wish I'd just stopped at MP215...if I ever find myself in another one that's exactly what I intend to do.

[@michaelnedved3392]

This was much more heartbreaking than a Titanic movie. In video it seems like there will be a hole in your heart that no AWD beast can fill again :-D

[@MarkCup70]

As a daily driver it's a close run thing Michael...the ST is such a fun little thing to drive on its door mirrors! The RS is such a different thing to drive...it just about fills the hole left by the ST...

[@davidh328]

Subscribed 👍🏼 looking forward to seeing the RS

[@fishatethecat]

Shame to see your beloved Fiesta go but I'm looking forward to seeing what you make of the RS, especially on track. Maybe grab another passenger lap with you round Goodwood some time?

[@MarkCup70]

Of course Philip, no problem. Nothing in the diary yet but I'll let you know.

[@Gts2pro]

The wheel colour is Oyster grey. That’s what ford told me after checking a curbed wheel

[@soundtrap1812]

You must live near me! Driving through fontwell, yapton ect..

[@stevewalsh-balshaw1727]

Have owned Focus RS mk2 and Focus rs mk3 focus st m3 x6 slk 55 amg rrs etc now 2017 fiesta st the best all rounder money can buy

[@steveo8533]

Were you happy with the colour you chose? I only ask as some say it only looks Orange in sunlight and looks like a dull red the rest of the time. Thanks.

[@AaronMattheus]

Hello Mark, I really hope you'll still reply to comments left on this video after 3 years. I'm in a situation where I might make an opposite swap as to what you've done. I've recently lived a year with a 430hp M135i and have now been living with an F87 M2 N55 for the past year. Full exhaust, downpipes, intercooler, chargepipes, tune running 440HP and 640NM. I'm now about to start building my house, and I think I'll be selling my M2 so I can use the money for the house instead of borrowing more and paying interest on that. So I was looking for a very cheap but mainly fun car and the best solution I seem to have come to is the mk7.5 fiesta st. I can pick one up with exactly 61.000 miles for very cheap (6k pounds). It's an ST2 with the leather and heated seats ect. I was wondering in your experience, will I be happy with the exchange and find peace and fun in the fiesta st? Or is it a horrible horrible downgrade which I'll regret every day of the ownership experience. Everyone seems to scream off rooftops about how fun these fiesta's are, but I guess thats speaking in relative terms when you're comparing them to other 6-9k cars, not against 45k cars? Your opinion on this could really help me in my purchasing process. Kind regards, Aaron

[@rocasspb]

Thanks for this video. Speaking of the exhaust noise, how does it compare to Clio 3RS which you said you've owned previously?

[@TheRhodes76]

Excellent video, thanks for sharing as I'm looking at buying one but the st3! Looks like I'll be onto a winner and want it with or extra purchase of the mp215 👍

[@MarkCup70]

I still maintain that MP215 is the absolute sweet spot for these cars. The perfect blend of performance and agility in a great package!

[@jimluney4265]

What do you advise about the wet timing belt i always wanyed a ford fiesta st i c Got a second hand one 55 ,000 i made them change the timing belt and water pump ive be told a service change every year sholud be fine i enjoyed you videos

[@anthonyminshall2602]

thank you

[@technohamster4783]

I've recently picked up an ST with the orange seats is there a particular fabric cleaner you recommended, also what tyres did you mainly run?

[@MarkCup70]

techno hamster I used CarPlan Kleenup Upholstery Cleaner and also tried Turtle Wax Upholstery & Carpet Cleaner. Both are foam aerosols with a stuff plastic brush attachment and they both worked as well as each other. I also used ArmorAll Carpet & Seat Wipes for a wipe down every now and then. Being bright white you can really see how much dirt they lift out! Tyres? Unlike most I found the standard fit Bridgestone RE050 tyres worked really well so stuck with them until I fitted MR230 when I switched to Yokohama AD08R in an effort to gain a little more front end grip/traction.

[@technohamster4783]

thanks for the speedy reply

[@MarkCup70]

No problem, you caught me while I was cleaning my RS so everything was to hand. Glad I could help.

[@simontaylor3211]

Hi Mark. I'm considering buying a Fiesta ST next year for my 50th (one last hot hatch blast before being sensible again). Would you say the firm ride is liveable with? Do passengers complain?

[@MarkCup70]

Hi Simon. I did 61k miles in 4 years, most of them commuting 50 miles a day on mostly bumpy, lumpy, and broken b-roads, so yes, it's more than tolerable. As for passengers...I have a C-Max for the family...so if they ever found themselves in my car they a) knew what to expect and b) knew complaints of any sort would fall on deaf ears! They're firm cars, they fidget a bit, quite a lot at times, but they're not punishing by any stretch of the imagination.

[@simontaylor3211]

Thanks for taking the time to reply mate. We have an Audi A3 for a family car so the ST will be my runaround and replace my 1.0 ecoboost. So family won't be in it much!

[@MarkCup70]

In that case, get it bought, find a nice stretch of road (or track) and drive it on its door mirrors! They thrive on being flung down a road :D

[@simontaylor3211]

Lol. Plenty of those types of roads made for a hot hatch here in Cornwall. Should be a blast

[@sportbilly9815]

Simon Taylor totally agree with Mark, the ride is not as bad as some make out I to hit 50 and thought one last blast and 6 months in loving it.

[@woodsy555]

Awesome stuff mark.

[@am6sigma]

Excellent review.

[@tonyminshall6752]

thanks for that mark

[@gavinreid8351]

Four years. With Ford finance the annual milage limit is 6000 miles .24000.

[@gavinreid8351]

That's for a 1.0 zetec. £250 a month.

[@stevensmith2577]

That's crazy . I have an st2 on a 17 plate. 12000 a year for 4 years 190 a month.

[@jake15470]

These higher mile st 1.6 ecoboosts.... did you find it used more oil and was you topping up coolant more often as it got over 50k miles?

[@banik211]

Fantastic video!!! Thanks for a great review... Considering to buy one now :P

[@MarkCup70]

No problem, glad it helped. Enjoy your ST when you get it :D

[@stevenkilvington5617]

What gear was you in when you done that pull that surprised me how quick it got up there

[@gary1705]

That car u r in Hyundai I think occasional glimpses at the H logo on the steering wheel it seems very quiet in the cabin...which year and model is it as I want to buy a small quiet with minimal road noise car ahar..ok you mentioned it at the end did you do a review?

[@jamesstallard4252]

What brake pads and disks did you find best? And also which tyres?

[@richardwoodworth8357]

Hi Mark, Great channel and very informative. Looking at upgrading my ST to take the MP215 package. What is your advice in relation to insurance quotes and premium increases? My concern is that my insurance company will either reject the policy or look to add a significant premium which would negate the benefit.

[@MarkCup70]

Hi Richard. My experience with MP215 was that it added very little to the policy (£20-£30 from memory). The beauty of that package is that you're still insuring an unmodified car as you can select (or change your car to) 'Fiesta ST (MP215)' as the ABI give it its own identification code; instead of insuring a Fiesta ST with a remap and filter, you're insuring an unmodified Fiesta ST (MP215).

[@richardwoodworth8357]

MarkCup70 Thanks Mark. Much appreciated.

[@74aamer]

great video so you think the rs will appreciate in value and be a future classic

[@MarkCup70]

Maybe, maybe not...it's impossible to tell. What I do know is that Ford have created something quite special in the mk3 RS and I'm going to explore, understand, discover, and have fun driving the wheels off it for a good few years and many miles to come.

[@tonyminshall6752]

Hi mark you said use tesco momentum petrol you had no problems using that and also did you get good miles out of that My friends tell me to use shell Vpower but I would have to drive 5 miles to get it and tesco is down the road from me this is the first st i have had so you are the best guy to ask thanks

[@MarkCup70]

Hi Tony. I used to use V-Power on previous cars but, like you, it was a trek to get there...I'm surrounded by Tesco filling stations and I've never had a problem with Momentum so I'm also sticking with that for my RS.

[@milesmilton1]

Hi mark, were you not tempted by MR265? I think it would keep up or better than an RS on track

[@MarkCup70]

I'd honestly have gone for an LSD before thinking about more power. 230 was more than enough for the road and the just about perfect amount on track...but it did lack front end traction. The eTVC was good on the road but on track it could never keep the inside front wheel in check. An LSD would have been the perfect next mod.

[@Valaneskie]

Great Video...keep it up !

[@mutezone]

Thank you very much for your thoughts on owning a Fiesta ST. I am considering getting one. The only doubt I have is of the electric assisted steering, which is a common complaint for me of modern cars since it can make the steering feel very vague especially around the straight ahead position as if there was a deadzone. How is it on the Fiesta ST you had? I need to take one on a test drive to get my view, but asking so I have more opinions on this. Cheers. Also I have subscribed.

[@MarkCup70]

Thanks for the sub! Steering on the ST? I came to the ST from several years in a Renault Clio 172 Cup with hydraulic steering (a changed rack meant I eventually ended up without any assistance...that was hard work but very feelsome!)...so was always a little wary of electric assistance myself. By comparison the ST is a little less feelsome...but not so much that you can't feel what the front contact patches are up to. On track (which is where you truly get to know how a car communicates) I could always tell when the fronts were just starting to scrub a little. So, yes, it's not as good as an unassisted or hydraulic system, but it's not vague and I personally find there's more than enough information coming through the steering wheel. Enjoy the test drive...I'm sure you'll find it a pleasant surprise...be aware it's a quick rack though, only 2.4 turns lock to lock so you can find yourself needing to unwind a little input after you turn in until you get used to it!

[@mutezone]

Many thanks for the quick reply. This is very good information. Wow, now that is a quick rack but made more for more engaging driving in my opinion. Hopefully the test drive will exceed my expecations. Cheers.

[@kevcahill89]

Mad Radio DXer You have nothing to worry about. My weekend car is a 106 GTI and after going for a drive in that and jumping back into the ST, I'm never disappointed.

[@mutezone]

Cheers Kevin. That is also very good to know, as I have heard great things about the 106's handling.

[@iliketowatchvideos47]

Mad Radio DXer just got 1 u wont regret it

[@Palios33]

mk2 RS at 06:45

[@sparkford04]

Did you PX Fiesta ST for Focus RS or sell privately?

[@MarkCup70]

Privately Keith, I found an enthusiast who gave me a good price for it...an awful lot more than the part exhange value that the dealer offered anyway.

[@sparkford04]

Mark, Agree, best move ,as Stealer are offering crap,trade-in these days. Penny and the bun their principle in dealing. However, I think they will have to change that attitude over the next couple of pre-Brexit years. Note the fall of in sales over recent months, so they will have to get back in the real world if they want to survive imo.

[@Bs-ot6nd]

What tyres did you used to run on track and how did you find them

[@Goodchappy]

Good, useful video Mark. I am about to take delivery of a new 5 door Fiesta ST. I am contemplating getting a Mountune upgrade later on, would you say the 215 with the Symposer delete might be a good option? as I also don't like lots of noise.

[@MarkCup70]

MP215, yes 100%. Symposer delete? I myself liked the symposer noise...which was never intrusive and only really came through when you floored it, a nice growl low down and a bit of a rasp up top. If you're just cruising about on a constant throttle it doesn't really make a great deal of noise at all. Best thing is just see how you get on. If you've seen my symposer videos you'll know it's a very quick and easy job to swap it over so you can always give that a go if you find the symposer noise a bit too much.

[@MegaMaxymoo]

Is that the shell garage opposite timperley cricket?

[@ricardopalma3714]

nice video. thanks!

[@steve19901988]

Did you get the time to measure it on the dyno after last year's hose clamp tightening? :)

[@MarkCup70]

I did and it made just under the original 224 bhp that I had after MR230 was originally installed...so tightening everything up and plugging the symposer pipe gave me back an easy 10 bhp!

[@joeisdumb]

I understand mountune dont do a resonated exhaust, but would you of considered a resonated exhaust if you were to do it again ?

[@MarkCup70]

Hi Joe. Given a standard ST once again I would give it the MP215 treatment and then just leave it there. As I said I think that's the sweet spot for the ST...it sounds and drives just like the standard car but with a little more ooomph low down and a bit more willingness to rev out up top.

[@goaliepro1996]

14’ focus st 81,000 miles no issues

[@renzburgos]

Have you been running it on premium or regular petrol? And what would anyone advise on this matter?

[@MarkCup70]

I ran it on 99 RON premium from day one. Normal 95 will do no harm but I think with modern turbo charged engines giving them higher octane fuel is best.

[@AlexanderBushi]

Thanks...

[@Ninja238]

All my hose clamps seem to be the constant tension type ones. Which are the ones that are coming loose?

[@MarkCup70]

It was across the board Alex, they all nearly all needed pinching up at some point.

[@nosurrender4321]

Funny you're driving that Hyundai. I got one from the insurance for a month after i wrote off my mp215. Was that a sports cat you had on the st?

[@MarkCup70]

Yes I had the full Mountune cat back exhaust and sports cat. The Hyundai is getting seriously boring now...the novelty has well and truly worn off!

[@nosurrender4321]

MarkCup70 nice. The hyundais are decent cars for the money to be fair but the lack of power and the horrible boring blue interior just gets me frustrated. You were complaining about the noise - had you removed the symposer?

[@MarkCup70]

Don't get me wrong, as a car, the i10 does all you'd want from it...apart from involve you. As for MR230 noise, yes symposer removed, but the exhaust was a bit tiresome.

[@kd2833]

i read loads of gearbox some where on there 3de box !!! DMF failure and coolant leaks.that put me off big time + the plastic rattely interieur

[@flush_entity]

How did you get 30+ mph!!?? Im at 27mph if im driving conservatively, 24 if im going crazy

[@wacman]

Mpg not mph.

[@tibszabo]

Hey , that was interesting to hear, thanks. Could you send the me the costs and sheets? I'm going to buy one soon :) thank you

[@danh9959]

Was yours and st1, 2 or 3? Just asking as you said it didnt have nav.

[@MarkCup70]

It was an ST2 Dan. When I ordered mine there was only ST1 or ST2 to choose from...and no such thing as an ST3!

[@danh9959]

MarkCup70 thanks i may be buying an st3 but there was a discrepancy in the description if it had sat nav or not and thought sat nav was standard in an st3. For some reason i thought you said yours was a 3.

[@sylvainschmitt9447]

Is the noise different between mp215 with mountune catback and mr230 ? 🙂

[@MarkCup70]

I never ran the exhaust when I had MP215 Sylvain so I can't say. I would think the sports cat that's [art of the MR230 package would make it a little louder but not by that much.

[@JeandrePetzer]

Why do you have a Hyundai steering wheel?

[@BensCoffeeRants]

I thought you sold your fiesta to get a Hyundai for a second :p

[@MarkCup70]

Ben ha ha, never. I'm loving life in my Focus RS far too much!

[@LJ-1496]

Hi Mark! Just a quick question.. you mention checking for boost leakage, how do I check this on my ST? Also, I curbed my driver side alloys and they painted them a slightly darker grey to the rudo grey,.. I had no idea Ford had never released the paint code! Love the videos buddy Thanks.

[@MarkCup70]

Thanks Luke! To check boost I use the Torque Pro Android app connected to the car via an ELM327 bluetooth OBD2 plug. Get it connected, and read or log your intake manifold pressure...that should give you what you need to check.

[@Flare_TM]

Was the ST really £47 a week for fuel? -.-

[@MarkCup70]

Yep, if you're doing 16,030 miles per annum at an average fuel consumption of 36.7mpg it certainly is.

[@90FirstGenPGT]

wouldn't the Focus RS be louder?

[@MarkCup70]

The RS is loud when you floor the throttle, loud when it pops and bangs, but completely not loud when you just drive normally. As MR230 I found the ST to be loud most of the time regardless of how you drove.

[@BradReidford]

Anyone else notice the Hyundai steering wheel when mentioning fiesta snobbery

[@meganjay30]

yea awesome video !! thank you and yes that 5th dislike\like is the same for me... always end up fighting people on the road and i always end up putting my right foot flat as the fiesta st just loves it and the other person depending on what their driving usually gets very angry IF i left them behind but hey its only a fiesta right, so why get so dam angry lol...?? i been left behind many times also tho but i don't make hand signals out the window... xD

[@anthonyminshall2602]

Hi mark I have a fiesta ST 2017 I see on your video you did 61000 miles wot petral do you recommend to use

[@MarkCup70]

Hi Anthony. Apart from the very rare occasion when I got caught short (usually on a trackday) it was fed Tesco Momentum 99 for all of its life.

[@matt12345b]

Anthony Minshall I too have a mr230 fiesta and I asked mountune what fuel they recommend when fitted and they advised any high octane fuel will be fine as long as it's from a busy petrol station, (fuel degrades over time so busy stations have fresher fuel) personally I use Tesco momentum or shell vpower depending what's nearest

[@Dantianblue]

Ah! I see now....

[@MarkCup70]

He he...the Hyundai was just to fill in for a few weeks...and certainly wasn't chosen!

[@TheRealD4]

why is it a problem if you perceive others dismissing your car as "just a Fiesta"? Do you have an obligation to satisfy or impress them? :p

[@Palios33]

Was that a bird at 0:23??

[@MarkCup70]

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[@MR_T3RMINAT0R]

Knew id seen this car in bognor!!!

[@legostarwarsrulez]

0:23 did you hit a bird? Lol

[@MarkCup70]

Not a bird...birds. Two cavorting pigeons!

[@Dantianblue]

25 seconds in - Hyundai?????

[@dermotgallagher5344]

197bhp on overboost!

[@andrewlightwood3895]

Sort the lighting out on the vidio it's all in dark

[@ducky-o7y]

8:30 stickier tryes? thats a bike tyre!

[@MarkCup70]

The one on the right was stickier, the one on the left got me home that day after a puncture. It was a very interesting drive being so out of balance, roundabouts were hilarious fun!

[@bradhellyer7429]

Bognor!

[@bikebudha01]

I can't take anyone who drives on the wrong side of the road seriously....

[@fist15boy]

Hi Mark. Really enjoy your videos. I know you are a Focus RS owner now (very jealous), but just a quick question on the Fiesta ST with Mountune upgrades. I have a FiST 2015 with the MP215 kit and tune (with mTune etc), plus Mountune Catback exhaust and other add ons... soon to get a Mishimoto OCC and an intercooler upgrades.... slowly working up towards full Stage 2 hardware and tune (aka MR230 like you had). I also hear lot of great things about Peron 1+ and 2 tunes, but to use them, I'd have to spend over double on the Peron programmer hardware and software... where I can just pay for the MR230 upgrade tune at a fraction of the cost when ready and that would be more than enough for the odd track day etc. My question is, when you get the upgraded MR230 tune on the mTune handset, does it overwrite the MP215 tune? Ideally, I'd like to revert between the MP215 tune - which I think is perfect (sweetspot as you say) for a daily driver tune with plenty of shove if you need it. But on a track day, the MR230 tune would be even more fun... but when back on the road, put back to MP215 as it would be more fuel efficient etc. than a more aggressive Stage 2 tune - even if driving non-enthusiastically. If the MR230 tune upgrade overwrites the MP215 tune on the mTune handset, the other option is to buy a different vendor tuner (like Peron) and run the MP215 as a daily (separate tunes/handsets). I figure the mTune being basically a restricted Euro version of the US COBB AccessPort, I know the COBB accessport can hold numerous Maps/tunes through the handset and the accessport manager software. Hopefully mTune is the same? What is your experience with this? I've emailed Mountune about this, but haven't heard back as yet. Thanks again for all your help and great content!

[@HowIsThat69]

How weird you love it’s ability to breake traction. Makes zero sense, since it’s front wheel drive. Think you got something about drifting wrong :)

[@MarkCup70]

I like that you have to manage the traction , I like that you have to drive it. Who cares if it's slower, you get more time to enjoy how it feels!

[@AlexanderBushi]

Thanks...