Did I Really Mistime This Engine and Destroy It?

In this video we explore exactly why this Ford 5.4L 3v engine now runs worse after a timing job.
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[@jamesplotkin4674]

Brian, once again you've demonstrated how experience and the right tools can get a tough job resolved. Well done!

[@Mr2004MCSS]

Great video. The problem for the customer though is we have no idea who actually is a professional and knows what they are doing and who doesn't. As evidenced by watching you and other diagnostic guys on YT, a lot of these vehicles are coming from dealerships who you would think could fix these things and they don't. That is the frustrating part for customers. We usually spend all kinds of unnecessary money because someone doesn't know how to fix the vehicle correctly.

[@nvwlsnvwls2785]

I respect your humble approach and the extra mile to find the source of the newly found issue and the clear justification you provide the customer. No wonder guys are shipping trucks across the country to your shop. From Canada, I just check every Ford issue I have here first. Most times, the symptoms, tools, parts list and fix are listed here. Huge Thank you for all of this incredible content.

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[@TimdogQ]

This video perfectly demonstrates how a GREAT tech also has to be a great detective. Well done, as usual!

[@robertalexander2506]

I love watching your videos, you are great explaing your procedures and actually showing the different programs and tests. Thanks for the great content and please keep them coming!

[@ccrx2640]

This was better than any TV show. Thank you for taking the time to make this.

[@donaldvanhorne7538]

This guy is a genius, my kid and I successfully rebuilt an entire 4.0 SOHC motor having no previous experience by just watching his vid in pause and play mode.

[@danielscobie8883]

ppp

[@BuckingHorse-Bull]

based

[@sethstatler8480]

That's absolutely amazing. You wouldn't believe all the things that I've learned just by getting on here. If I didn't learn it from my grandfather I watched it on here. I'm a man of many talents now and versatile as it gets. Keep learning and growing together I wouldn't be half the man I am today had my grandparents not done the same with me as a young man. God bless and prayers from Small Town WV, USA, Earth 🌎

[@nathantrost7773]

Thanks for this video. I'm a mechanic too and I learned something here. You explain things well 👍

[@jimtheobald1141]

I bet from now on you will look at color bands on all your chain jobs. Just because you got burned by by a hack. Maybe the wrong injectors wiped out the cat??

[@peterjohnston1224]

You sharing your experience is a major component of why I watch your video's. Thanks so much!

[@TroyStevensStelzerPaintingInc]

Great video Brian. Although you're well aware, it's worth noting that when replacing these injectors, it's a good idea to confirm there aren't any o-rings stuck up in the rail itself that may have come off the old injectors. I replaced some on a 4.6, and although all the old injectors still had their top o-ring in tact, there was magically an "extra" one stuck in the rail, maybe from the time before? Who knows. Now I always look though. Quick glance with a mirror, since there's only so much you can lift that rail to peek under it. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge.

[@TroyStevensStelzerPaintingInc]

@@ialmanza4 I understand what you're saying, but it became within the scope of the video as soon as he took the injectors off the rail.

[@keltalon]

Ive been watching this guy for a minute, and I must say he knows his stuff with these fords. He is a good narrator and has great content! Hey man keep up the good work!

[@jameshuffman835]

Trouble shooters are extremely hard to find! I like watching you!

[@chrisblore6385]

There are so many auto mechanics that need to take ethical and repair skill training from you…

[@rodneymiddleton9624]

I hate to go behind other mechanics that have caused more issues than it originally had. Good eye!!! I ask the owners if they have the old parts first thing and if they do I like to put them back before I troubleshoot. It almost makes you second guess yourself! Thanks!!!

[@billsmith2212]

Once you found the loose plugs , you knew WHO had their hands on it . Anything goes . ALL downhill from there . Great diagnosis and lesson .

[@29madmangaud29]

Wow, just really, truly enjoy watching your shows, and listening to how you explain this stuff, so clearly, and easily understandable

[@joshrodgers9366]

First triton 2 valve I ever built I accidentally instaled two passenger side cams in the engine and then wondered why it wouldn't start. Luckily I swapped the cam and she fired right up no problem

[@densmith1234]

I’ve been learning a lot from you lately, thank you! Do you think the misfiring on that bank is what ultimately destroyed the catalytic converter on the driver side? I’ve read that unburned fuel will destroy the cat and set off a flashing MIL so you don’t keep driving. Thanks again, you’re awesome.

[@leonelhernandez7508]

I would call you a ford master but no you went the extra mile and dissected every possible outcome and came out on top. You sir are a Ford Genius

[@tompaparounis5731]

Yes he certainly is a Genius!

[@tcm2kd5000]

My worst fears are someone working on a car that I own and hacking the job. Your videos help so much in getting the job done right. I always do my own work so I know the repair is good and will last. As I am getting older it's so hard to find good mechanics to help do the work with me or find a shop that you can trust or wants to do the work in the first place. Thanks for sharing your know-how with us. You made my life a lot easier many times.

[@85montie]

Mass airflow wire patched possibly because mice chewed the wires? They love my injector wires.....

[@mikekokomomike]

Get a 🐈

[@D2O2]

Great video Brian. Never know what you are going to get when other hands on parts cannon trigger. The pink injectors were for an 07 08 expedition. You know this, but not everyone else might....the injector flow test is only available on vehicles with fuel rail pressure sensors, like F150, but not Expeditions. I have done this test with an analog fuel pressure Guage and an injector pulse box recording pressure drop after pulsing for a preset time.

[@dunbarautomotive]

Never would have figured that a 5.4 3v expedition would have a different injector than a f150.

[@D2O2]

@@dunbarautomotive The fuel delivery system is different. F150 uses a fuel rail pressure sensor with variable speed fuel pump with driver module that likes to split open and fail. The expedition doesn't have a fuel rail pressure sensor and uses a fixed speed pump.

[@bartsarton2212]

@@D2O2 Thank you for taking the time to explain that. I just learned something. 😀

[@KBMEDIA87]

Nice catch! My first 3v timing job on my 06 explorer I put the one cam in 180 degrees wrong because I lined both sides up with L arrow on the sprocket, didn’t know there was an R because I thought the L was just a arrow not letter lmao.. nothing was hurt luckily

[@smccrory60]

Thanks! Would love to see a Forscan tutorial.

[@JohnnyReb2000]

In other words, stick with oem fuel injectors if possible. If not, don't buy cheap replacements.

[@donreinholz8121]

Great catch Brian! That scan tool is a lifesaver. Those cats aren't cheap either.

[@moneygrip4464]

And you have to purchase licenses from Ford to use that tool as well .

[@bnb1fitz247]

Love the content, keep up the honest, quality work. Always lookin forward to the next concern.

[@HoosierDaddy_]

This should be required viewing by customers that don't want to pay diagnostic charges. The ones that say "don't ya just plug in a machine that tells you what's wrong with it"?

[@john0270]

Man it's just a crap shoot if someone has been tampering with it prior.... the list of possible problems goes into an alternate universe sometimes.

[@fieldsofomagh]

Nice piece of detective work and knowing the proper tests to perform. Amazing engine operation turnaround for a very distraught patient. Hard to knock a professional for a successful outcome.

[@blockisle9]

I love watching a true tech troubleshooter. Great job explaining also. Thanks Brian

[@niceguy91320]

Exactly!!! Too many just fire the parts cannon at it and change stuff that may or may not be needed.

[@Joshoptimus]

I've have learned so much from each and everyone of your videos.....this was an exceptionally good one 👍 ty

[@Tremontvolleyball]

I have a question about a 2007 Focus. There’s a code P2004. There are no leaks in the intake manifold. All the vacuum actuators seem to be in good shape. There is the odd thing that the MAP sensor reads 29 inches of Hg when the engine isn’t running. I put a vacuum on the MAP sensor with a hand held device to see what would happen. The more vacuum I pulled manually, the more the sensor showed the vacuum dropping. It shows 9 inches Hg even when the vacuum gauge says 17 Hg. Both the new and the old sensors do the same thing. Any ideas?

[@williamnordin7976]

there is an 05 4x4 for sale by work. They are asking $3950. Im almost half tempted lol. I wonder what it costs to replace a motor if its shot? Think my old towncar will run forever.

[@florenbaron7111]

Do any of you have any ideas about why my 2008 Ford Econoline E250 V8 4.6 2 valve only starts shaking after warming up? The computer reports a higher temp but the temp guage barely moves up even when the engine is hot. Steam or smoke is coming out of the exhaust. I tauched inside the exhaust pipe and it seems like water instead of oil. The scammers who sold me the vehicle did something to cover up some majure problems, including the water pump not working. I replaced the water pump and now the coolant is flowing. I used head gasket sealer which seemed to help but not substantially. Is there a different place coolant can leak besides the gaskets, and still get into the combustion chamber? Do you thinks it's a bad valve? No DTC code besides an key in ignition fault. I replaced the spark plugs and coils too. When I try to drive the van it barely moves and the engine sputters. Please list any ideas that I should check. This would be very appreciated. Thank you.

[@kellyhandley8519]

The hardest part is "finding someone who knows what they're doing"!

[@robjordan204]

I like your channel, Was wondering if you have or can possibly do an explanation of camshaft sensor (PO345/PO349) for a 2013 F150 Ecoboost...there are NO videos on how to resolve this...🤔

[@MEC.LUISFVD]

Hi men I hope you can help me with my explorer 2003 4.0L I try everything but still with the same problem with ruff idle problems rpm gou down and up and I replacement everything like intake throttle body,TPS and I check the wiring everything looks fine but the ruff idle still there and I no have code wath can be or cause that problem hope you can help me with your good advice God bless and have a great day or night

[@nowayout73]

Great video. Thanks man 😊

[@mikestaggs3177]

I wish you could look at my 2010 Ford f150 with 5.4 liter. When I accelerate quickly it misfires. My mechanic can't figure out what is wrong. I live in Ohio, where are u located?

[@VirginiaDigger]

Hey brother I had a phaser failure on the passenger side I replaced the phaser but didn’t get all the broken off piece out of the cam slot when I put it on the chain jumped off I got the piece out and reinstalled phaser and chain but the cam lobes aren’t in time I believe and truck will start but shuts off after a few seconds would this bend valves and what should I do thanks

[@anthonyiannone7618]

the old parts cannon backfired , and an innocent bystander was injured

[@estebanolivo8793]

Hi. I just did a timing job on a same truck i also replaced lifters. I put everything back together and now truck stall only when it reach normal temperature.. and I was wondering what could I done wrong? Thanks

[@johnoberle9750]

I did my 2006 thanks to you. Mellings 340 pump.

[@Ogdin3]

That idle sounded like the intro for Van Halen's - Hot For Teacher

[@FordTechMakuloco]

lol!

[@moneygrip4464]

Mice eat wiring. They probably put some butt connections on it instead of soldering.

[@eddiereichel9354]

15:14 Amazing another shop changed those injectors to try to figure out why it was running like shit on bank 2.

[@ricardosolorzano1883]

I own a 05 ford expedition 5.4 it has a little shake when at a stop but runs good when on the road. I done the misfire procedure.

[@cheapers1952]

I'm an injector problem I had on the ranger it was the craziest thing it would start losing power after about 3 minutes on a good steep climb up a hill when you did the basic flow test out the gate they showed perfect that's why I had removed them in the first place and then had them on a full drive wide open throttle for approximately 20 seconds Three out of the six kept pouring fuel out like no tomorrow The other three would Peter out approximately 16 seconds down to a dribble craziest thing I ever seen

[@Jameson4327]

Another happy customer. Sadly you had correct somebody else’s mistake and it took a week.

[@stewart8127]

Wanba be the kid at the auto parts store gave them the wrong injectors

[@jamesbruno5896]

Excellent diag Brian thanks for sharing!

[@sassankarai550]

Great catch with the wrong fuel injectors.

[@garymcmullin2292]

another episode of automotive university excellence, thanks for sharing your experience with us, storing this stuff in our heads prepares us for the automotive problems we are going to face.

[@reycardenas8092]

Great videos thanks

[@flynnndawg]

oh how we all wish every town had such a dedicated 'computer genius' to fix our fords... but sadly we dont... 🤥

[@--_DJ_--]

I thought I screwed up the timing job on the bosses 3.6 in his caddy last week after doing the chains. It was idling a bit rough, but nothing too bad considering it was figuring things out with the new chains. I hopped in and gave it a little snort once it warmed up. Immediately it began to shake like crazy, I thought it was going to fall off the hoist. Shut it off, scratched my head a bit wondering what I did wrong, then noticed I forgot to tighten the intake hose, it sucked it off the air filter housing so it was pulling air after the MAF. What a relief!

[@ovalmechanic]

Wow... nice video. Most technician would of thrown a cat on it and ship it. But being the great technicians we are we have to find the killer. What killed the cat. Job well done

[@christopherzatalokin8652]

I truly believe that those motors get such a bad wrap because of incorrect parts being used. It is so important to use Vin specific parts on those tritan motors.

[@nealdaleyjr7625]

It's amazing this new garbage lasts as long as it does. It's a pita to work on.

[@anthonynicholson5523]

Can I drop my 2006 fx4 with you for a month and you can just bill me for whatever? I promise you will get tons of content lol

[@stevenkozy5814]

Just wanted to thank you for spending the time making these videos, been watching you for awhile and have picked up many helpful tips. God Bless you and keep them coming 🙏

[@bbeauregard4181]

Thanks for your honesty! We are in a time where not only are the new vehicles almost impossible for a DIYer to diagnose we fall victim to the parts changer technicians! Much appreciated!

[@ja4476]

I bought a 2006 F-150 two weeks ago with an engine thicking... THEN I began to watch your videos !!! so I realised I should have watch your videos first.... since then, I've prob watched +40 of your videos to know what could be the problem. I was told its just a craked manifold but I'm pretty sure it not (or not the only) problem... my conclusion, if you buy a F-150, you better be ready to learn mechanic !! I've learned some mecanics on 90's sidekick (on suzuki forum) swaping engine and about everything on it... but here its another level.... Thicking goes loader when accelerating and more quiet on removing my feet from the gas pedal... and when uphil I've got no power... and it die two times when on stop... I'm becoming one of your students... I already made a list of all possible problems... If I keep the truck (I will probably do it), I'll learn about every thing about it... your videos are for sure going to be my main source of informations.... so thanks for all those amazing videos, greatly useful....

[@dannylinc6247]

If you're doing it yourself, you could use the build date the VIN and the calibration code to order the right parts. Then it wouldn't melt the Cat convertor. "There's your big savings" You could also consider the cause of the original concern not even being injectors. Not a good part to throw in willy nilly. Your video sure helps people understand why that is. Nice presentation.

[@hugovillarrealmartinezes9952]

Thanks F-:Loco, You know, Ive been watching you for the last 7 years, and your shurely know your stuff. I appreciate what you do for US. GBU!!!

[@29auto30]

Learn something new everyday, Thanks for the video!

[@regigilman2255]

Sounded like the high school band was coming

[@autopeep24]

Nice, 4 am with coffee great info to wake up with

[@cmack5713]

Great video thanks very much!!

[@robertoruiz7069]

Great video,the way you explained the issue and tests was perfect.The issue of color codes on injectors make perfect sense,with the use of a scanner any good pro should make the correct DIAGNOSIS.I never deal with v8s but if i do ,you can bet I'll remember your lesson for looking at color when someone says they put {NEW} from the wrecker fuel injectors in ,and now they have issues ,haha good lesson ,thanks

[@SchrodingersBox]

Wow that was a good one. I initially suspected intake leak on bank 2 given the power balance and high fuel trim at idle- especially on cold start. Curious why you went to fuel first as opposed to increasing RPM to validate vacuum leak?

[@FordTechMakuloco]

Just the amount of experience I have with this engine. The 3v engines don't have intake gasket issues, they could have 300k on them and still not leak whereas the 2v engines leak all the time cold. I also have had a few of these engines come from other shady shops with the wrong injectors that would pop like this cold or hot so it was already in my mind. I have never seen an engine pop like that for an intake gasket leak cold though. So once the timing was confirmed it was pretty simple from there.

[@toomanynarcissistshere2102]

wish i had a guy like you in my neighborhood... i'd never ask you "how much?", i'd just hand you the keys. love you bro

[@interstellarsurfer]

When you buy an injector kit for a small 4 cylinder engine to put in one side of your big V8. 🤡

[@FordTechMakuloco]

IDK what they were thinking.

[@mikeconnelly4469]

Where is your shop located ? I cannot find any good mechanic anywhere...lol

[@anthonynicholson5523]

Illinois I think

[@jwboilermaker]

He’s in Yorkville, IL.

[@mikeconnelly4469]

A little drive from Georgia..lol. But thanks anyway

[@Retadin]

Those incorrect injectors must have been some chinesium from amazon, or fleabay.

[@advancedleveldiagnostics]

Great diag, Thanks!

[@hydrus77]

A ford repair channel, imagine that

[@edwinmcnew4389]

Nice work! I knew you didn’t mis time that engine!

[@FordTechMakuloco]

I've done too many by now it's like clockwork to me.

[@clinte14]

Some days you eat the bear, some days the bear eats you

[@yaboykris2118]

Holy crap….the features in the Ford scan tool make the features in the Toyota scan tool look like child’s play. Ford scan tool is legit AF.

[@crisprtalk6963]

Was this engine under water at one point? Look at all those rusty nuts and bolt heads.

[@rays7437]

Normal for the area

[@josephmorrone2660]

On Your way to 1,000,000 subscribers because what You do, You do well ……… er I mean Great 👍

[@johnwinters3147]

Your videos are great and very informative. I have a 2003 Lincoln Navigator and a 2011 Ford Taurus SEL. My interest is mostly for diagnostics, such as misfires, etc.. The Navigator is now 20 years old. With that in mind, will ForScan take care of diagnostics for both vehicles? Thanks for the feedback.

[@young11984]

Always amazes me how an injector o ring can roll off the injector and stay in the rail lol, awesome job on the cool diagnosis sharing. What tool was that for the injector flow, thats a nice option to have.

[@LazloNQ]

When mechanical complexity is introduced, this is what you get. As long as it lasts through the warranty period, that's all the manufacturers care. Good on this dude for putting his smarts to good use, but dang on Ford for churning out stuff that won't last longer than a pickup that is 20 years older.

[@jamesfitzgerald2361]

I wasn't aware of the color band on the injectors.I always wondered why they had different colors. Learn something new everyday. Thank you for your knowledge of engine systems

[@KL4life]

I hate working on interference enignes

[@brandonsparks5786]

That sounds like a frustrating diag. Nice catch. I'm pretty sure I'd have missed that, I won't now. Thank you.

[@sergiodjf]

Great troubleshooting skills! 👏💯 Those scanner diagnostic tests are really helpful

[@sienile]

I mistimed my mom's Taurus by following the manual. Fixed it right by following KZbin. :P Problem was the way Ford marked the chain and the way they described it was different from what I pictured in my head. I thought they had a single mark for each shaft, but they had a double mark for the crank. This put me 1 tooth off. I figured out the issue by pausing a video and counting links. Ford says 35 between, I would call it 35.5 links between.

[@edwardmyers1746]

Nice little forensic find my friend

[@George-Edwards]

Hello Brian, I had a friend back in the Intel 486 - Pentium days who managed a computer store tell me that you just could not teach people troubleshooting. They either had the ability or they didn't. I've always been very good at it but with the newer cars / trucks like you work on I'd probably be in a bit of trouble. My wife and I will both be 74 this year and have driven pretty low mileage low problem vehicles for years and I'm sorry to say that I've gotten behind the times. My two current cars are a 2015 Mustang GT with about 9,000 miles and a 2018 Focus ST with 11,000 on it and they both thank God run great. Love your videos Brian! George

[@damienrodriguez3288]

You should go to bed good at night! Doing your due diligence to the level of you craft and helpin people out instead of getting over on them. Thank you for that! I’m no mechanic on paper. But I have learned to work on all my cars since i was a teen, BMWs, Ford’s, Honda’s and such, because of this. Just hard to find people to trust in a craft these days. 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻

[@paulhogsten2613]

Dude, I thought you blew a rod!

[@justinhoward6135]

i was thinking a clogged fuel rail on one side , nice catch on the pink bands , never would of looked for that, im just a weekend warrior mechanic on my own stuff . the computer program you use is really interesting . great vid , you really know the 3v fords

[@brpeter1]

I can’t find any forms I have the larger 2010 H9 rear end. Would I be able to roll that under my 2010 H9 smaller I think it’s 8.75 rear end swap one bigger one with the smaller one I know it’s kind of weird getting it in the comment section like this, but hoping you can answer this. Thanks.

[@daveschannel124]

Great Video Brian! Yes those color rings should always match! Gotta love them Multiple Problem Vehicles (MPV's)! I ran into a similar situation with wrong injectors when a Honda Accord came in with 2 cylinders misfiring shortly after coming out of a body shop back in the early 1990s. Checked spark plugs and spark was confirmed good. I then did a compression test that confirmed engine was still ok as all cylinders were close to specs. I ordered 2 from the Honda dealership and upon receiving them I notice the new injectors had a different color ring than the old ones did! Knowing that color corelates to the specific flow of an injector I called the dealer and they said what they sent was the proper flow rating and that I shouldn't worry about the color ring. After installing the 2 new Injectors the vehicle didn't idle smooth and idle now would hunt when cold! After going through everything else I could think of, I decided to order 2 more injectors from that same dealer but to my surprise these were yet another color and the dealer said they are all the same flow! Now yet again the idle was worse then before! Needless to say after all that wasted time I called back the dealer and told them to send me 4 more injectors and to quote "MAKE SURE THEY ALL HAD THE SAME COLOR RING" and I would send the others back to them! And that fixed the vehicle! Just a series of issues creating new problems that compounds the initial problem does challenge our diagnostic strategies. And from that day on I have always made sure that injector color rings all match and always recommend replacing it a complete matched set if flow rates can't be confirmed by onboard testing options. MPVs (Multiple Problem Vehicles) can be more challenging from time to time!

[@novavroomvroom3435]

I own 2007 E-450 dually cab and chassis with a 6.8L v-10.. it has 137,000 miles... I bought it used from u-haul and runs great... I'm using it hotshot delivery.. With all the issues with diesel engines nowadays, ( I love the 7.3 L international engines and regret selling them... What is your opinion on this 2007 6.8L v-10 engine...??? Am I making a mistake using gas versus diesel for hotshot pulling a gooseneck trailer...???