Foreigner’s Lou Gramm Says 9 Foreigner Songs Are Missing!

[@SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion]

I love Lou Gramm’s vocal style and enjoyed his solo work…Foreigner was never the same after he left IMHO.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

I agree Davide! And together with Mick, a great songwriting team! Classic Rock at it’s finest! Our bands are disappearing David!

[@TerryKrysinski]

Of course they weren't going to be the same w/o a monster singer as Gramm. But-- Hansen and the later members have done one stellar job touring and killing it for many years now (way longer than the 'original' band-who were always a rolling roster,anyway). Not only that- Kelly's album with the band -Can't Slow Down' was a fantastic addition to their catalog. But w/o radio play/industry backing, it was only a marginal seller (and that's a crime!). I love the band with Lou,but I also have huge respect for Mick assembling a strong touring band and motoring on with Hansen & co. T

[@SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion]

@@TerryKrysinski maybe Kelly’s LP title shouldn’t have matched a Lionel Richie LP :)

[@TerryKrysinski]

Can't Slow Down? Never knew of the LR album,so....there you go. T@@SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion

[@thruthefirepubl]

Great video Michael. Thank you.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Glad you enjoyed it thruthefire! Thanx! ❤❤❤

[@michaelbutters5650]

Great video Michael keep them coming 😊

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

More to come Michael! TYhanx brother!❤❤❤

[@ianshortall3356]

love your work :)

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Thank you Ian! Cheers! ❤❤❤

[@no1jerseygirl]

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[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

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[@no1jerseygirl]

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[@markrichardson3566]

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[@YaHashaWha]

Michael you got the best show out there sure I like some of the others but you just have a way that is appealing and you really make a connection to your audience. Keep up the good work and congratulations on hiting 30k. Josh

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

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[@dangroat4438]

The band Foreigner has been a prime example of why it is important in the music industry to make sure all of your bases are covered when it comes to copyrights and the fair sharing of royalties from anything you may happen to create. Disagreements between songwriters over these two key aspects is what has torn quite a few great bands apart. Lou gave an interview where he said that Mick and himself had a disagreement over royalties for the song "I've Been Waiting ( For a girl like you )". which I believe turned out to be their biggest hit ever. Lou wrote the lyrics and Mick wrote the music, so it was pretty much a 50/50 collaboration. You would expect the royalties to be a 50/50 split also, but because Lou didn't copyright those lyrics before presenting them to Mick when it came time to split the royalties Mick wanted a 95/5 split. Lou was to say the least offended by this offer and left the band at that time. He didn't realize it until it was too late that because Mick had copyrighted the song before he copyrighted the lyrics that Mick had complete control over that song and could determine how the royalties were split. Lou learned a valuable lesson here in that the music industry is territory where you must know law quite well and have it representing you at all stages of your musical career. Another example of this has to do with the recently deceased Rodriguez. He had a big hit with "Sugarman" back in the seventies but wasn't really well known in the states even though he lived in Detroit. His music was massive in other countries ( In South Africa he had a Platinum album ) and there was even a documentary about him called "Searching For Sugarman" that won awards in Hollywood. He apparently didn't realize that his music was so popular in all these other countries around the world and wasn't receiving any royalties from it. Management of the record company he was with should have been providing him with royalties checks but they didn't do it. Until the documentary came out no one really knew just how much he had been shafted by not only the music industry itself but the record company. and poor management to properly look into these things. Poor management will only lead to a downfall in your fortunes. Because they are not willing to stand up for you against the record company willing to rip you off. The music industry is brutal if you have not done your homework on not only the record company but your own management also.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

I’ve Been Waiting (For a Girl Like You) is a perfect example of a Diry Deed Done Dirt Cheap dangroat! ❤❤❤

[@dontworrybehappy8080]

Right!? Look at Badfinger. Man, what a tragedy fueled by greed and perhaps some ignorance.

[@dangroat4438]

@@dontworrybehappy8080In the case of Badfinger that was basically a case of management ripping them off but also Apple records going belly up. Stan Polley had stolen their royalties and put it in a Swiss bank account under his name but told the band that the money was in escrow to the band's bank account. He lied about that but also didn't inform them of Apple's demise ahead of time which only worsened things for the band. Imagine creating all these hit songs and selling lots of records yet making no money off of this whatsoever, and now you have to find another record label to sign to, knowing that since the previous label just folded, you would probably not be seeing any royalties from them. When Pete Ham committed suicide he wrote a note saying that he would like to take Stan Polley with him, calling him a "Soulless Bastard". Tommy Evans also committed suicide several years later because he was being sued for several million dollars over advances paid which ended up in Polley's pocket also. Since Polley couldn't be tracked down because he had disappeared it all became too much for Tommy also.

[@dontworrybehappy8080]

Yes, I know. The prick (Stan Polley) is buried in Riverside, Ca.@@dangroat4438

[@waltersimmons946]

Lou didn't leave Foreigner in 1984-85 over the royalty ratio split on "I want to know what love is " . There are concerts on KZbin that are from 1985 confirming he didn't leave. Lou was increasingly dissatisfied with the (adult contemporary)direction Foreigner was taking plus Lou was also being cut out of having any input on the co-songwriting partnership of Jones-Gramm. Lou officially left Foreigner the first time in May of 1990 and returned in April 1992.

[@tod3msn]

Kelly Hansen seems to be the real problem here. He is giving interviews like he will be inducted into the Hall of Fame with Foreigner. Grabbing the limelight and appeared to be intimidated when Lou Gramm was on stage with Foreigner during the reunion a few years ago. I saw some KZbin clips where Kelly is at times eager to cut Lou off when he was going to talk or maybe seemed anxious with Lou on stage with him. Mick Jones needs to inform Kelly what is going on and tell him he is a well paid "hanger on" which is great in life but to dial down the talk that he is Mr. Foreigner. If Kelly Hansen were lead vocals in 1977 when Foreigner launched they would be a bar band or at best on a nostalgia tour with other 70's acts each summer. As for the songs Lou is talking about, I think Mick Jones cares about his musical legacy and does not want to get into a legal taffy pull with Lou Gramm over some unfinished songs. I predict as legends now in the "Songwriter's Hall of Fame" they will work it out.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Amen to everything you say here Tod! I concur wholeheartedly! 😉👌❤🏆

[@suepeacock3342]

I'm supposed to see Lou Gramm in Ohio. I hope I can go!

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

I hear his live shows are good! His voice isn’t what it was, but he’s getting better sue! Good to hear from you! ❤❤❤

[@kathystrout3998]

I’m going to see Lou September 12 in Wooster, Ohio

[@filemonbulosan5771]

You're really good Mike

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Thanx so much filemon! I appreciate your kind word! ❤❤❤

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

If Mick Jones decides on if he can tour, he probably does the bare minimum to not have the label as a past member? Is he doing more than John Mcvie? He’s suppose to be retired from Fleetwood Mac and yet he, Mike Campbell and Neil Finn are listed under current members.@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

[@psykodj67]

Michael..you always do a great job on your videos..top notch...yes ideas and songs are way different to me...yes I'm. no music lawyer but copyrights are important.I could have sworn a couple years ago there was a interview from either Lou or Mick that said they sort of made amends and they each were going to do a song together on both of their next solo albums? I'm not gonna lie if Lou would have ever gone back to Foreigner..I would be buying that album for sure.Kelly was a good singer in Hurricane and yes it was a good concert when I saw Foreigner in 05 of course Bonham was there too...I think Kelly did a ok job but hes been riding Foreigners coattails as well.Grest vid thanx for sharing

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Absolutely great points here psyko! I’d go see Lou anytime for sure! And at least you get one member of Foreigner! And save on the bucks because he doesn’t tour as foreigner! Thanx! ❤❤❤

[@TerryKrysinski]

Lou can't do justice to the catalog and hasn't been able to for a long time now,sad to say.. Mick knows that. T

[@deepwood4]

Kelly Hanson? Whos she?

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

LOL! ‘Nuff said deepwood! ❤😂👌

[@barryrammer7906]

He said she said. Both were in the creative writing process for Foreigner. Songs belong to Foreigner. But Lou deserves to get credit and royalties. Should have got Joe Lynn Turner of Rainbow. He sounds like Lou and could write pop rock songs in the same vain as Foreigner. They would have been a real band with new material instead of a cover band now.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

I had never thought of that very interesting idea Barry! Now we’re cooking! ❤❤❤

[@barryrammer7906]

@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine I always thought Joe would have been a perfect fit. And he can write new hit songs and cover thier old material with ease. When Lou first wanted out Joe was avalable. Sad because because Joe can really write sings on guitar and lyrics. They would be the real deal. No one can replace Lou. But the band would have had insant street cred. Rock on my brother

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

That’d have made for an interesting timeline since Ronnie James Dio came from Rainbow too and that could have seen two new singers fronting other famous rock bands. You’d still have Dio singing for Sabbath of course but now Turner for Foreigner if he joined in 2003

[@barryrammer7906]

@@Thomasmemoryscentral and an experience front man. Joe can really write good pop rock songs. To bad because Foreigner wouldn't have been a joke. Not a cover band. They would have real new material and I guarantee Joe would have came up with a few hits for them. If you can get along with Ritchie Blackmore you can get along with anybody. To bad they might even been the biggest pop rock band ever. We will never know. DIO is GOD!

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

Considering Mick Jones is the last original member left, Foreigner can possibly reinvent itself again but geez, Mick just seems to tour the bare minimum to not be under the past members section of their Wikipedia.@@barryrammer7906

[@tondewit2000]

In the Netherlands it's 15.15 in the afternoon, enjoy your show keep on the good work....

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

and now it’s in the evening tonedewit! Sorry it took me so long to reply, but I had to get some sleep! ❤❤❤

[@SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion]

I had some thoughts while on Royces’ show, he owes me!!!

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Well let the man know David! Ya listening in Royce???😉👌❤

[@billhawkins1236]

Seems to me that there's enough good cover band's who don't get enough recognition, just because Mick Jones decides to occasionally walk across the stage during a gig, doesn't make it Foreigner. If " Foreigner" is actually making money off Lou's " ideas " he should probably get a slice of the pie. And who's Kelly Hanson??

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Spot on bill! Thanx brother! ❤❤❤

[@errorsofmodernism7331]

"We'll see" is a non confrontational way of saying "no" 5:56

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Yep!! Straight up error! Thanx! ❤❤❤

[@stoneagedjp]

My understanding is that as soon as a work is recorded in any format (tape, notation, anything), it is copyrighted. Registering it gives the owner rights to more remedies in addition back royalties in case of copyright violation.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

And it provides a basis to date said work stoneage! Great point! ❤❤❤

[@stoneagedjp]

@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLineGood point, too! Got to keep that in mind.

[@themusicexpresswithrobertl8816]

Lou has been so ripped off by Mick and company. I don’t blame him for being upset and should get what is his

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

That’s the way I see it robert! ❤❤❤

[@willswalkingwest7267]

No one owns them till they're published.

[@michaelrochester48]

I’m gonna be seeing Lou in a few days at our local ballpark, frontier field cause he’s doing an album signing. Do you remember that there was another vocalist for the group for a brief time in the late 90s, they had a minor hit single called low down and dirty?

[@joystoddard6094]

That was Bad Company!

[@michaelrochester48]

@@joystoddard6094 No Johnny Edwards was the lead singer for their 1991 album unusual heat

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Any vocalist would be preferred over Kelly at this point Michael! ❤❤❤

[@michaelrochester48]

@@joystoddard6094 Lowdown and Dirty" only charting on the Mainstream Rock chart at #4 in 1991. You were thinking of Brian howe when he was lead singer of Bad Company not Paul Rogers

[@TerryKrysinski]

WRONG,bro. Just Wrong! He does a great job. Period. T

[@lady_in_blue83]

Hi, dear Michael! Nice to meet you! Lou was my favorite rock voice over decades... He is a gifted vocalist and a wonderful lyricist, but he has a sensitive soul and his heart is devoted to his deep faith in our Lord… Mick is a leader with the commercial sense of feeling. I dare say that he is a businessman, but not a simple guitar player. It depends only on moral principles! According to the contract Lou had a right to have 25% of the royalty only as a lead singer… but Mick has the other depth of his soul. I don’t judge anyone, but I just show that he could demonstrate more compassion. There is no business like show business, but the main thing is to be a human with feet which shall be staying on the ground. Not everybody can do it after getting a lot of money and enjoying the fame! Objectives are different! I even heard about a lost tape… Lou found it and finished songs, but he has no rights to do something with them without Mick’s permission. “FOREIGNER” is a trade mark and he is not the brand owner! I feel sorry for him! I write small poems and learn to play the electric guitar. I am blessed to know one talented guitar player and a warm-hearted person… After this wonderful meeting my texts turned into lyrics for possible songs. I hope that my treasured friend finds some free time in the future to compose music for them and to record demo versions, which I would like to show to Lou… Dear Lou, don’t be sad! Everyone, who can feel, will stay by your side! I still hope that we meet at the concert one day in order to heal your broken heart with our creativity! I know how you want to sing other songs! Don't let it get you down, my soul mate! Take care! God bless you! Warm wishes from Russia! P. S. He needed to pay for the brain tumor surgery and was forced to sell his rights to that brand...

[@FeliciaMcCall-p3y]

I don’t blame Lou Graham, Kelly Hanson is not foreigner

[@jamesgeorge65]

Foreigner broke up for the last time I think in 2002. It’s been the Mic Jones band since.

[@Markothunder]

0:40 Dirty Deed Done Dirt Cheap. There’s a song by AC/DC, called “Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap” and I’m sure you grew up listening to it before me

[@XcarnationCenkEroglu]

And from which era ? year ?

[@adamfindlay7091]

All I know is Lou had some medical stuff @17 years ago cancelled a show in Buffalo ( where he either was from or something). Long ago he was in Black Sheep. Oh, he's from Rochester NY.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Yeah Adam, and he’s only one Rocker who got ill, and was either forced out or replaced during such an illness! Such a shame brother! ❤❤❤

[@pattiecomo21]

Foreigner is on the way out they're on the last tour this year ?

[@kenijonesESQ]

Well that sucks for Lou. In a dog eat dog world he should have known better. But in Micks defense if they collaborated together then its "both" their work not just Lou's, or his. It sucks that its come to this though, they were friends at one point. Shame on you Jones. And Gramm just needs to chalk it up as lesson learned. And hope his name appears on the credits and maybe a few $$ thrown his way. Huge difference between "an idea" and a polished song ready for pressing....cheers Michael

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Well said here Keni! Straight up brother! ❤❤❤

[@markgarin6355]

Same Page? Not the same Bonham? But wasn't he screwed before?

[@drmusic3641]

Mick has screwed Lou over before ("I Want To Know What Love is"), so I would believe him over Mick.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Yeah me too drmusic! And he seems much more forthcoming in his interviews as well! Thanx! ❤❤❤

[@briana_patrick]

Hey Michael ❤️ have you heard about the passing of Bernie Marsden? The original Guitarist of Whitesnake? I'd love to hear your thoughts on him. If anyone could put into words just how underrappreciated the early days of Whitesnake, before all the glam and flashiness were, its you ❤

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

I just found out Brian! A true talent brother! RIP Bernie!❤❤❤

[@royceinthehouse842]

Great video Michael, It seems so often in the land of sex, drugs and rock n roll, minor things like copyright and who wrote what doesn't get the attention it deserves. Hopefully they sort it out. Michael join me Sunday at 6:30 p.m. pdt for a review of The Beatles Revolver UK Parlophone label.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

I so agree Royce! And it’s the small details with things like copyrighting that can kill an artist in the long run! Just ask The Beatles and their difficulties with song ownership brother! ❤❤❤

[@royceinthehouse842]

michael that's right, Thanks for all your help building my subscriber count, very much appreciated. I mailed you a little something today, it should be there in 3-4 days brother.@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

[@timsears951]

if this is true that Lou did not copyright his stuff then he kind of out of gas on this one

[@dawnofthefrank7712]

So sick of Foriegner all around, they need to all just go away and stop this charade called Foriegner.

[@sunilramsingh67]

Foreigner the once great band has now turned into a parody of itself. So disappointing.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

I so agree sun! ❤❤❤

[@hatchtambu]

while i have some respect for mick jones to me, he's never been that great of a guitar player. so, when i hear that lou gramm wants his songs back.....i believe him. mick jones has always seemed a bit sleazy to me and when the replacement singer came in, jones started to show his true colors. let's not forget that gramm suffered from a brain tumor and we really don't know when exactly that itself may have begun to affect him. it's one thing for jones to call himself doing what was best for the band when gramm started showing the effects of that tumor and taking gramm out of the occassion but jones has also proven to be a bit of a schemer when it comes to the material he and gramm wrote together. i've always been team gramm and always will. let's be honest, grams voice is not what it use to be, so why not give him his do as far as the music he wants back. to me, he and the rest of the original band were what made that group great. i think lones owes gramm everything!!!

[@timfurnier7061]

Sorry, Michael, but I hate it when people hold other people to the PRECISE words they utter! In this day and age.......ESPECIALLY, when INARTFUL speaking, illiteracy, and vacuous thinkers are so prevalent, most people don't know HOW to PROPERLY express themselves nor do they have the intellectual capacity to do so, you can't hold people to what they say; you SHOULD be able to, but you can't! I'm not a grammarian so much as I am someone who tries to improve himself in what ways that I can, and speaking better and using the English language in a more proper way is something ANYONE can do if they simply cared enough to try. In that regard, I hear MANY PEOPLE who can't speak or write properly at even a RUDIMENTARY level. Sorry, but I hear you say things in a way that makes me cringe, too. I don't think you would want anyone to hold you to the EXACTITUDE of your word usage. If someone did, I'm sure you would be the first person to say, "Well, I said THIS, but you know I meant THAT!" People should work on improving their speaking skills because it's not MY responsibility to "know" or figure what one is saying. It's THEIR responsibility to articulate their ideas well so they might be easily understood!

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Oh lord I’m famous for chewing up the English language Tim! But in this case, Lou knows what he’s saying IMO. As a songwriter, he knows the difference between the 2 terms I compared. When you think that he doesn’t have those tapes, he was being careful to attach the one term to tie to the other! The result? Claiming ownership to something he no longer has Poseidon of, and thus no proof to support his side of the story! Don’t het me wrong Tim, I’m impressed! And a lifetime fan of Lou’s! But point well taken, so I’m pinning your excellent comment Tim! Thanx!❤❤❤

[@timfurnier7061]

​@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLineNo! You're really no worse with the English language than are most people (sorry to have to say it in such a way). You're actually what I would consider to be a pretty good guy. You certainly can take a lot of criticism (from me?) and not react in a dismissive or angry way, and that shows great character! Please don't take anything I say too personally! I'm in a situation where I'm in a foreign country, Chile, mostly by myself with little to do but watch videos. Because I do, I hear so many people talking who REALLY should be learning the language instead of (mis)using it!

[@timfurnier7061]

​@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLineGod. I just saw that I meant to say "illiteracy" instead of "literacy". I think spell check screwed me, and I missed it in the proofreading. See? I make mistakes, and I own up to them.

[@ojmccaf63]

Oooh brother!! Bloody give this up Lou!! Says he’s a Christian act like it