Forensic Files - Season 10, Episode 1 - Trial by Fire - Full Episode

[@cheriehambly1867]

You can’t put someone in jail because you “ believe “ thats what happened, you have to go off facts and evidence.

[@Vaginaninja]

Try telling that to religious people. Their entire life view is based upon something there is absolutely ZERO evidence for

[@lauracurtin631]

I'm undecided. I have LOT more questions and I'm sure we only heard part of the whole case. Very fascinating case though. So sorry for this man's tragic death.

[@malikxshabazz443]

I deep down inside believe that lady didn’t have anything to do with her husband’s death. And I’m so glad that they didn’t put an innocent person behind bars for life.

[@sega62s]

what you deep down believe has nothing to do with evidences

[@Skdaddle_o_O]

@@sega62scould say the same to the prosecutor/police 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@lisasteel6817]

@@sega62sdid you read the comment properly?

[@lukemwills]

It's always so cringe when investigators are proven their false theory is wrong, but they continue holding onto a lie as if it were the truth. It certainly makes them seem incompetent and unfit for their job.

[@stevekinlough588]

Yes, even today, the Major believes she did it. " Major, a fire expert called John Lantini has said fire and what happened were an accident and the cops got it wrong" The Major says, " Uh, we are law enforcement, we know everything" idiot he he

[@axtondragunov1784]

1 of 2 things is going on here or maybe both 1: his head is just so far up his ass that the thinks he can't be wrong. Or 2 he went so deep into it that he feel if he backpeadals on it he will look bad. it could he one of these or both

[@kennethwilson1117]

I agree it’s easy to see that the man grabbed gasoline instead of kerosene he should have had the kerosene in a blue container 😒

[@axtondragunov1784]

@kennethwilson1117 ive nvwr seen a blue container for flammables but I've seen yellow I think the color code is Red for gasoline, green for Diesel, and yellow for kerosene

[@grouchyoleguy]

​@@axtondragunov1784kerosene is yellow or blue but it's predominantly blue in most parts of the states

[@carwhiz90]

man alive major Overbey is in almost every single one of my favorite crime shows from most shocking to forensic files.

[@stevennieves3327]

I saw this episode as a kid and for years I was trying to find it, this popped up in my suggestions one day.

[@peregrinemccauley5010]

No motive given by the prosecution, no concrete or cohesive forensic evidence provided either. A win for justice.

[@brianharmon7451]

THE WAY I SEE IT IS THAT THERE WERE TWO IDENTICAL CANS ONE WITH GAS AND THE OTHER WITH KEROSENE. HE ACCIDENTLY PICKED UP THE WRONG ONE. RED CANS SHOULD ONLY BE USED FOR GAS AND BLUE FOR THE KEROSENE

[@gulfportflamefighter4545]

There should have been residue of the can by his body. Contrary to popular belief everything does disappear in a fire. You can almost completely put back a room and show what was in it.

[@worldalvin]

agreed gasoline in the heater is the reason for his demise.

[@maryfaithmobley175]

@@worldalvin What if she swapped them ?

[@Vaginaninja]

What kind of pathetic loser writes in all caps on KZbin to get attention. I refuse to read your comment. Grow up

[@rockstarofredondo]

@@maryfaithmobley175people cannot be convicted of crimes based on “what if”.

[@kayleyself8173]

Murder or not what a horrific death poor guy

[@mohammaddavoudian7897]

In this series, we have all seen how when a man or a woman murders their partner, leave that state and get away with it for a few years. Later on, they commit the same crime and when they're caught, their background (police reports, DNA, etc.) show that he or she committed the same crime a few years back and got rid of his/her spouse or partner. Many cold cases are of this nature.

[@ruelvillafranca1724]

If it's not beyond reasonable doubt, it should be not guilty; that's how the justice system works.

[@lancel7998]

This is why you lawyer up and don’t talk to cops They are not trying to help you

[@mightymouse1005]

Exactly....the "if ur innocent, you don't need a lawyer " BS is what gets innocent people in prison.....don't say anything, lawyer up

[@metalmamasue3680]

Every time. Yes.

[@beebees9957]

The fact of the matter is that you cannot prove this case beyond a reasonable doubt. I think the daughter-in-law's attitude toward her speaks volumes. You can argue about the locked door all you want but it does not make it real evidence. If she did it, our justice system is setup to make sure we let a few guilty people walk free in the hopes it means no innocent person is locked up (requirement of beyond a reasonable doubt).

[@ScrappyIgotmoney]

I love this show😅😅😅😅

[@thewillofabeast9079]

I feel the same way with this case as I did with the episode of a woman who was charged with killing her mother after their car went down an embankment. The woman in that case was later acquitted but her behavior after the car veered off the road was just questionable. I get people don’t think straight in a dire situation but that case and this case feels a bit off to me.

[@kalkuttadrop6371]

With this case I do genuinely fully believe it was an accident of grabbing the wrong jug of chemicals in a momentary lapse of judgment. With the 'Plastic Fire' case...eh...honestly my gut instinct tells me there genuinely was a small car accident and a fire(the switch defect matches and is a known problem) and getting in the situation was purely accidental, but she may have intentionally moved slow or stalled for time even subconciously to ensure her mom didn't get out. Basically like that one scene from the Sopranos.

[@thewillofabeast9079]

@ I haven’t watched the Sorpranos so I guess I’ll take your word for it. As I said, a good majority of people don’t think straight when they’re in a dire situation but her actions after the crash was still weird. Even she would have to admit that fact.

[@derek04151]

Kerosene is a fuel oil, it's slow to ignite and doesn't explode.

[@terryvarta9306]

She had time to lock the door, surely aint no way someone in a hurry would think of that

[@axtondragunov1784]

If it's a force of habit then it isn't strange at all also she said multiple times that her husband was pouring kerosene into the heater she never mentioned gasoline but gasoline was found in the heater. So it's a logical and fair assumption that he mistook the gas can for the kerosene can and poured the gas into the heater thus causing an explosion.

[@MissKerriAnn]

@@axtondragunov1784 right and there was 2 gas cans one with gas and another with kerosene. They kept saying she took the gas can with her. But she never touched it. That's so sad how close she came to spending her last days in a. Prison cell all bc some detective got tunnel vision, and couldn't see it for what it was...an accident!!!

[@o.renjibibi]

Time to lock the door? As if the door was locked by padlocks and deadbolt which need multiple keys. A simple lock takes like seconds and if you've done it every single time you close the door then it becomes a habit so much that you don't even realize you've done it.

[@Callidus7SSM]

As someone who’s been caught off guard by muscle memory several times, it absolutely makes sense. There have been times where I meant to leave my door unlocked because I was just grabbing something from my car, only to find I locked it out of habit. Each time, I didn’t even remember locking the door. It was *that* instinctive!

[@dinarusso3320]

Exactly, but why wouldn't she drag him out with her? Isn't that what most people would do

[@tinashemushamaenza998]

I think she is innocent for sure

[@HermanMeilak]

"I think" and "for sure" cannot live in the same sentence!

[@alvesthegreat]

That locked door is key to this case

[@christystewart4567]

Maybe. I used to have a dog that started to go lame. He usually lived in our backyard but he no longer got along with our other dog so we moved the older, lame one, into the house and front courtyard. I was used to leaving our front door wide open so he could go in and out at will. So what did I do one day when I needed to go to the grocery store? I left the front door open, not just unlocked but open. Along with our garage door because that’s how I got to my car. So I left my house wide open for anyone who might have decided to commit a burglary. When I got home I couldn’t believe I’d left it like that. Luckily nothing happened. But it was a force of habit to leave the front door open for the dog and the garage door open so I could get to the driveway and front yard. So I really have no issue with her locking the door even in a panic because it was almost automatic. I see it as falling back on routine without thinking.

[@realg_gs_]

No the key is the aerosols cans found under his head and other part of his body

[@muskyman1018]

Having had a scary experience refueling a kerosene heater with kerosene in the past where I saw it burst into flame, I believe this was an accident compounded by him using the wrong fuel. Alway use the proper colored cans for your different types of fuel.

[@Trebliw8]

That investigator has no explanation for why it was gasoline instead of kerosene in that thing?

[@christabellelysander4392]

Jim had alot of flammables in his work shed.

[@Trebliw8]

@@christabellelysander4392 yes, that’s why I think it’s clear that it was just an honest mistake . He used gasoline instead of kerosene by accident

[@debbiefreeman9481]

Where was the gasoline container?

[@tammyreise]

It’s strange that she locked the door behind her to get help….

[@emakattorneys5595]

Reflexes

[@mightymouse1005]

Maybe she has always locked the door and it's an automatic thing..... For me....if my place is on fire, I'm probably not even closing the door

[@justincredible.]

Her crying is so fake, listen to it without looking at the footage.

[@MichaelTreadway-wu9ie]

To me there is reasonable doubt about her innocence. I believe she got away with murder. There is too much off with this case. To me the facts point to murder not accident. She could have switched the cans. They were fighting and she hit him with a wrench giving him a skull fraction. I think getting hit with a blunt force instrument is more likely to give you a fractured skull then hitting your head on a table. She may kill again.

[@kalkuttadrop6371]

Reasonable Doubt doesn't apply to innocence, but to guilt

[@tegg.7958]

100% agree!👍

[@joeylamuel5828]

With all the chemicals in that space, Jeanne would've gone up in flames as well. I'm convinced of that.

[@jessehackett4983]

Well you clearly have no clue what those are stored in. Tanks of flammables don't just go up instantly

[@axtondragunov1784]

​@jessehackett4983 exactly real life isn't a video game a propane tank won't just explode at one spark.

[@jasonwillis4819]

Locked the door on the way out of her husband being burned alive?! I don't buy that.

[@KlaunFuhrer-du7fr]

Most damming is positions of the body.

[@fredajordan5704]

But why did she lock the door??

[@shuswapbcoutdoors8652]

Every time I go in or out of my house I automatically lock the door, even if I am expecting company in 5 minutes - it's just an automatic reaction due to years of daily habit. Maybe same for her.

[@davem1212]

@@shuswapbcoutdoors8652 Thank you - I was about to basically say the same thing about locking my door at all times whether I’m coming in or leaving even if it’s just for 30 seconds. You get so used to it that it becomes repetitive.

[@deewah1698]

​@shuswapbcoutdoors8652 sorry but, if my wife is on fire, I would forget all habits.

[@gusto546]

@@shuswapbcoutdoors8652are you on drugs nobody locks a door with a human inside on fire 🤨

[@dinarusso3320]

​@@deewah1698 exactly 💯, something isn't right with her

[@tylerbentz9512]

I agree with the investigators . She got away with it.

[@mariatorres9789]

Most people have multiple cans for fuel.

[@derek04151]

Somehow he fractured his own skull....yah OK. 😂👌

[@CoffeeNerd2]

Kerosene cans are blue for a reason.

[@laurahoward5426]

Everyone knows interrogation rooms have cameras

[@mightymouse1005]

Legally, you do NOT have to be interrogated. All you need to do is lawyer up.. A prosecutor told me that. The idiocy of "if ur innocent, you don't need a lawyer " gets innocent people in prison. Anything and everything you say will be used against you and twisted for the prosecution. If someone's life is at stake, always lawyer up......

[@metalmamasue3680]

Yes always.

[@bjones2600]

Do the cops and prosecutors in these stories get paid per guilty verdict? Why else would you be so adamant somebody’s guilty when you cant even prove it? It’s “beyond a reasonable doubt”, not, whats convenient for me.

[@tegg.7958]

No they don't. But the lawyers and witnesses for the defense get paid a fortune. Surely, you could see all of their affluence and privilege with a heaping helping of smugness, common to extreme white privilege.

[@grouchyoleguy]

Firefighter investigator will never admit he was wrong

[@tegg.7958]

Because he wasn't.

[@mattmansell4238]

Poor lady.

[@JustAHevel]

That shop was surely up to code like Ron Swanson's

[@martinsearchinternational3889]

SHE SO DID IT! 100000000000%

[@tegg.7958]

Absolutely.

[@MissKerriAnn]

It was an accident. The detective is trained to find violent crime, and that is what he did. But I do not think that lady is a cold blooded killer. Come on now!

[@PigNewton]

Pseudoscience and questionable science, too much doubt on this one.

[@thabanghlaka1512]

Watching from RSA and wish police were hard working as USA police

[@jimmyohara2601]

Go Springboks 👍.

[@Highheels4ever]

I don’t know if this fire was an accident or not. . I tent to DISAGREE with the verdict. Only this woman knows the truth about what happened and she will never tell. Did she killed her husband or not? That is a question without an answer.

[@DoctorRickSanchez]

God will take care of her if she actually did it

[@bhumphries1360]

​@@DoctorRickSanchezGood grief...🤦‍♂️

[@jimloveday2836]

It looks like sloppy police and prosecution work here. Perhaps they were underfunded and couldn't check the accused's story out adequately. The defence doesn't appear to have had any trouble raising doubt about their case.

[@leehornet7509]

The officer in charge is idiotic

[@737tech]

Very dangerous to fuel a hot heater.

[@bobbyrowe4434]

It doesnt make any sense to me why she didn’t help her husband I would have stayed there helping until I had no choice

[@hma237]

No you wouldn't have given a crap about her if you wouldn't have bothered running out to call 911. She did care & she did call 911. It doesn't make any sense to me why anyone over the age of 8 would think of doing anything else.

[@ttf4now]

This jury got it right

[@123verona1]

She did it! She locked the door? With a key? Bullcrap.....she didnt Try to find a fire extinguisher how could you not have any fire extinguishers in that house how could you just leave your husband to burn.... That makes no sense the final straw for me is if she had to use a key to lock her door that is the key.......

[@dinarusso3320]

...or try to drag him out, what about the skull injury

[@tegg.7958]

Right on.

[@kristinaboggs544]

Glad that that poor lady didnt get any jail time . She never did it . Cops like to presure people in telling the truth when they really are.

[@laurahoward5426]

He was a professional, and would know the difference between gas, kerosene, diesel, propane, even I , a woman, keep seperate gas and diesel.....

[@rockstarofredondo]

Meh, people get sloppy about this kind of thing all the time.

[@kennethwilson1117]

He grabbed the wrong fuel ⛽️ container he should have had the kerosene in a blue container the difference between red for gasoline and blue for kerosene is like that just for instances like this tragedy 😒

[@rockstarofredondo]

Too much reasonable doubt. Sorry, coppers.

[@watersportsbyjamesfitzroy5870]

The cop seems like a real nasty piece of work

[@sinneadfert]

An abrasion on the chin doesn't happen from a "slap". If it was domestic violence, it would have been a fist. And as far as the fractured skull, my first husband had a seizure, fell and hit his head on the corner of a sink, then climbed into the tub and drowned. He had a good sized skull fracture. So this man falling and hitting his head on a table could definitely have caused that. Also the fact his daughter is on her side says a lot.

[@mdievend]

(Mrs. Mark) Someone needed to tell Major Overbey that, in order to interpret and or reconstruct a crime scene, a crime must have been committed. It seems to me that, between the discovery that it was the much more flammable gasoline which was poured into the heater, added to all the other flammables that were in that area, not to mention how this lady acted when the interrogator stepped out of the room (hoping she would say something incriminating), there was more than enough reasonable doubt. I definitely would have been in the "not guilty" camp on this one.

[@Johnny.1965]

No. 1 : i think the man knew what fuel can contained what. you either label them or get different colored containers for different fuels ( red for gas, green for diesel, and yellow for kerosene) No. 2 : i think the man was smart enough to know not to refuel something while it's still burning.

[@axtondragunov1784]

well like the Arson Investigator said the soot lining the inside of the fuel pot could have been smoldering from the previous fire and it lit the gas fumes. and second dont assume people are always 100% logical they literally showed the kerosene can outside and it was red with a yellow spout. maybe he labeled it in sharpie but that can looked old and worn af so it is logical that he could have grabbed the wrong can.

[@kyleashdown518]

Something that was left out of the episode was that a friend of Jim’s (his son and Jim’s daughter were married, they’re in the episode) had borrowed some kerosene from Jim that was in a red jerry can meant for gas. When he returned the jerry can, he filled it with gas. Seems like he went through a lot after the fire - he told police that Jim had a habit of putting kerosene in gas cans and that Jean was planning to leave Jim, but sadly committed suicide not long after the fire. I’m sure he felt responsible in some way, but really storing fuel in the incorrect container and assuming you know what’s in it is an accident waiting to happen.

[@norran3830]

She saw Jim was still moving around even though he was on fire and that's why she locked the door to make sure Jim couldn't get out.

[@axtondragunov1784]

@@norran3830 she looked the door to her own house when she went inside to co call the police

[@christabellelysander4392]

They said kerosene isnt as flammable as gasoline. So, he thought he was using kerosene.

[@RellyrellREACTS]

Michael overbey looks like a older Kurt angle lol

[@lisapop5219]

I'm curious about the opening, a man died but a person was injured. Is there a reason why it's a person instead of a woman?

[@craigblair458]

Personally I think she is guilty

[@pureblood8427]

getting away with murder should have been the title

[@fremontpathfinder8463]

Nope she is innocent

[@m.g.2645]

💗💗💗

[@Nemesis04208]

This woman literally got away with murder

[@punns643]

How the guy picked up the gas instead of the kerosene?

[@xx704Legendxx]

Guilty

[@fremontpathfinder8463]

No evidence

[@darrelltalbott4830]

Arson of a deadly depraved democrat

[@mariatorres9789]

High heat causes the thin skull bones to fracture. That's common knowledge. Plus, he didn't die from suffocation. He died from burns & likely had a heart attack from the fear & pain. I think she's innocent. If there's an explosion, that would knock him out & throw him back. I think it's an accident.

[@jessehickman668]

Sandra Melgar. Is another case where I’m convinced police railroaded an innocent woman because they showed up and decided she was guilty within 1 minute and never looked anywhere else. She asked for a lawyer and they ignored her and just kept asking questions. 1 cop pretended to be her dying husband and just kept repeating the words “help, help me, help me….” Over and over. Lots of evidence that disappeared or one specific piece of evidence “wasn’t tested for blood or dna because it was a waste of resources since it would only prove what we already know”. Police are not intelligent open minded people. They’re German Shepard a who see a bad guy and never stop till they catch ‘em…..but they never stop and ask themselves if they’ve got the right one. Love these shows, but I’ve never had a high opinion of police because of police.

[@romans325kjb]

INNNOCENT.

[@GuyGood77]

She did not do it. No way.

[@deepak2049]

Guilty, instead of helping she ran away but took time to lock the God damn door

[@tommesiacooper1258]

Lol she’s old is habit

[@Callidus7SSM]

You can always tell the people who regularly don’t lock their doors, from the people who religiously lock their doors in these comments. If you religiously lock your doors, it becomes so instinctive that you don’t even know you’re doing it. Then you turn around to open your door a few seconds later, thinking you left it unlocked like you meant to because you were going right back in, only to realize you did lock it, and have no memory of doing so.

[@deepak2049]

@@Callidus7SSM u r talking about OCD..

[@tokolloskosana3567]

@Callidus7SSM 💯%correct

[@Callidus7SSM]

@@deepak2049 not even close. Just a woman who was raised by a single mother, and grew up watching shows like this. My mother always made sure we locked the doors behind us, and I made it point to continue the habit as an adult as a safety measure. It won’t stop every intruder, but it will stop some, and every little bit helps when you’re a single woman. I get that men, can’t really understand what it’s like to be the that vulnerable, but wanting to be safe is not the same thing as OCD.

[@joandevries1892]

Thank God, for the promise of the resurrection, and Judgment Day!

[@GunLoc]

So if Jean didn't do it, why did she lock the door? What caused Jim's fractured skull? People are shitting on Overbey but if we all were in his shoes we'd most likely draw the same conclusion. Whether he was wrong or not, maybe only time will tell.

[@greggfoy894]

They found her not guilty by reason of (Overby's) insanity.

[@vincevanced7796]

you believe? we dont need your opinion. prove it

[@nwohioan]

I lean towards her doing it but not enough evidence to convict. My main concern is around the skull trauma and how she made no mention of a) seeing him flail around and hitting his head (assuming she was in the garage when it happened) or b) seeing him with a major head injury when she attempted to pat the fire out (assuming she was not in the garage when he hit his head). Lets say she didnt see the injury at all - the coronor attested the deceased would have been alive but unconscious. Wouldn't she have noticed this that he wasn't moving? Or if he stiffened up from the injury, wouldnt she have noticed that his arms were outstretched? I would have been interested to see if such an injury could be recreated with items in the garage. Other things like where's the other gas can, why she locked the door, the overall position of the body are all big question marks...

[@mightymouse1005]

If she was just trying to get out and call 911, she wouldn't notice anything Jim was doing. Smoke is very, very difficult to see thru

[@tegg.7958]

The defense had an extreme advantage with the highest paid witnesses and lawyers to ensure she beat the murder rap. She did it.

[@phenomenalwife5380]

Dam shame

[@leonarddesjarlais8166]

overbey, your a fool. should have been fierd

[@amb-yz9ee]

The allegations that those marks are the result of accelerants has been scientifically disproven.

[@777MAG]

I love the ❤😂science lesson while they tell u how they caught u. Are people crazy? Even if u have a degree in science they can get u in something. Imagine just having a joe blow brain 🧠, 😂u can forget it ….

[@annazaman9657]

I think she probably did it but there was reasonable doubt.

[@DarrenPura]

Overby doesn't know shit!

[@zeroluckinsong]

Locking the door while in panic, both hand burnt, & chased by the extreme heat?? Naaa..

[@patricialove4418]

Don't buy her story

[@AmanThakur-tl8cw]

She hired Saul , she got away with murder... Moral:Better call Saul

[@gusto546]

She is a murderer period

[@NotJustAFlowerShopElPaso]

Arson A r son any more questions class ?

[@bobbyrowe4434]

I would charged her for negligence

[@ballistic350]

Did anyone notice they have pet pirahnas, 8min mark

[@JohnStjohn-hx2fw]

You wouldn't lock the door back if your partner was on fire and you wouldn't run off you would stay there till the very end trying to put the fire out

[@mightymouse1005]

No you wouldn't. You're not going to inhail smoke and get burned up when you know you can't put it out....how's sje going to pat a fire out that's blazing? You can see or breathe in smoke to help anyone...

[@ruelvillafranca1724]

If it's not beyond reasonable doubt, it should be not guilty; that's how the justice system works.

[@Boston_Police_isagang]

That’s how it’s supposed to work but in reality it’s guilty until proven innocent