FOREVERVERSE

[@DattoDoesDestiny]

Note about my wording in the video: I realized this a bit too late, like 15 minutes before the video was scheduled, BUT, the phrase "vote with your wallet," is synonymous with "stop buying this," when it comes to the gaming world. So, when I say that people are bad with voting with their wallets, what I mean is actually, "you are doing the opposite of not buying this." You are in fact quite good at voting with your wallets, just perhaps not in the way that inspires developers and publishers to stop what they're doing.

[@ultracookienite5857]

Nice vid Daddo

[@dylanbainbridge3188]

That thumbnail was, oh, so good

[@damnter9360]

I'm voting with my wallet ever since eververse was introduced in D1. It's just bad for the quality of gameplay. That's why I never have and never will buy silver. Not gonna hapen.

[@BetaMind]

I remember this kinda talk with lootboxes years ago. The way i always thought of it: it doesnt matter if a hundred people dont buy lootboxes if one youtuber will make a video opening a hundred lootboxes. Unless there is a unified outcry to boycott a game/microtransaction, like with Battlefront 2, it wont work.

[@BronzeDragon0009]

Yeah the only time i have seen the vote with your wallet thing work is for that marvel avengers game. They monetized it soo poorly in a 60 dollar game that square enix reported losing millions on it. Doubt that will work with Destiny 2 being that it plays really well and the eververse stuff looks really good.

[@mannymelo949]

The Destiny community is the most cyclical group of people I’ve ever seen Destiny as a series (dev, community and all) constantly does the same thing again and again

[@andrewcrawford8306]

Then you have people like me, who just chill and play the game and accept the ebbs and flows.

[@kingcurmudgeon8685]

Isn’t that what MMO/looter shooters are? Doing the same shit over and over

[@mannymelo949]

@@kingcurmudgeon8685 but I mean making the same mistakes

[@mattwimberley8958]

@@andrewcrawford8306 same bro, I just like playing the game and not becoming a butt hurt crybaby every season. I love the game and they keep giving me content. So I'm happy

[@Loansome_]

decided to break the cycle and stop playing I'd LOVE for the series to come back and make the good decisions needed for us to keep playing and entertained but these kind of cycles keep the game from change.

[@danconti5984]

It's simple math guardian, you have the college fund, Eververse has the goods...

[@quill7889]

lmao

[@emmanuelwil-jeff]

i mean that sounds like a problem d2 is only a game college is the rest of your life unless your gonna start a business aka entrepreneur

[@trickytreyperfected1482]

@@emmanuelwil-jeff College doesn't matter too much to everyone, but the cost certainly will last the rest of your life!

[@tophatowl6724]

Actually it mostly has bads ...

[@karlhenson5485]

Gold

[@rudye5259]

Can we just take a moment to appreciate that our boy Datto is happily married, with a house, and a dog, and doesn't have time to rant like an angry gamer anymore?

[@IDECIDETHETRUTH]

Our little sweetheart is all grown up 💕

[@Cross31415]

I can only hope the rest of the Gamers(tm) manage to follow suit, but I expect a significant portion are gonna be populating r/incel a while yet.

[@JR-xn6yu]

I'm married to a cis-female, so I think im a few notches above this guy. 😏

[@selectionn]

huh? he just ranted for 10 minutes and he didnt exactly sound happy...

[@thestrangersrifle1828]

Tyrone Watermelon ?

[@coletrain7167]

She said she wanted to express herself, so I gave her a thumbs up

[@atomic_wait]

Sure, rhythmic physical expression might not win fights, but it feels good. And feeling good is better than not.

[@TheLegoJungle]

She being the occasional genderbender Datto cosplay

[@frostyomnic9995]

She said she wanted to express herself, so I asked her for 10$

[@iswearonmytimbs3956]

@@frostyomnic9995 ask for 50$

[@just.another.guy.2343]

If I could sad react, I would

[@veteranthespian]

Anyone else blown away by the fact that in seven years of being one of the premiere Destiny content creators Datto has only spent TEN DOLLARS!? Most modern content creators regularly spend thousands on their game of choice just to make that money back in content alone (loot box opening videos, etc). This man lives his principles, y'all.

[@TJ.85]

Dudes cheap af that's all lol

[@TheSquidProQuo]

@@TJ.85 You're actually braindead if you legitimately think that

[@runek100]

But this is destiny, most of the things you could get for free, especially if you nolife it like datto. Eververse is for people that dont have time or brightdust.

[@dagskooz]

The truth of it is that Datto has so much goddamn bright dust from grinding the tits off this game, and because he's on week after week he's able to easily get anything he wants from the eververse dust rotation. He doesn't need to buy silver for anything that he wants, because he's able to easily get anything he wants with dust. If he does miss out on something, it's probably not that important to him.

[@finn1708]

"You thought the apocalypse would stop Eververse?" - Tess after the red war

[@TheDarkkilla12]

Damn Bungie predicted the stain of Eververse years ago.

[@farr2600]

tess was the reason ghaul attacked the last city

[@Andrew-ry9be]

@@farr2600 damn, maybe Ghaul should have won...

[@stupididiot9336]

@@Andrew-ry9be We... we knew not what we did...

[@DayzAhat]

@@farr2600 really?

[@Mattie2013]

"Every gaming boycott is one three-minute cinematic from being over." - Asmongold

[@ASA-ux7cg]

Fun is temporary, Eververse is forever

[@nazimhamid5257]

Love this 🤣🤣

[@joon-young9589]

this

[@cobra2160]

Indeed

[@sunshot8164]

Much money very eververse

[@AverageWarCrimeEnjoyer]

It's not even temporary at this point It's just non-existent

[@boxesarecool8149]

It’s been 1,332 days since we’ve heard from Fencurch. Tess is still optimistic but I’ve lost hope a long time ago. He was supposed to bring back some fancy shaders from the moon but I fear he’s been corrupted by the pyramid, or worse...

[@ithielwetz]

It's been also over 600 Days since a new PvP Map

[@joshlong6733]

​@@ithielwetzatleast we finally got a few new pvp maps 😂😂 only took 2 years for 2 maps

[@MatteoSchiera]

"you guys suck at voting with your wallet" sooooo true

[@christophfischer4796]

I mean... Technically not. The Voting just didn`t turn out the way many wanted.

[@Bownzinho]

Most of the people here make up the noisy minority. They are never going to win a vote

[@jareddepew1467]

Or the silent majority just don’t care. Like buy shit if you want, don’t buy shit if you don’t want to.

[@MatteoSchiera]

@@Bownzinho true but I bet u even the vocal minority is buying silver

[@readyforlol]

@@MatteoSchiera False. I try to positively reinforce devs into doing more of what i like. I like story content. I don't like event cosmetics stuck behind pay walls. I know it's not gonna change anything, but if the grain of salt in the desert that i am can tip the scale one way or the other, i'd rather have it tip the right way. So i've never bought any silver, even if i loved some of the cosmetics. I'll eventually get them in engrams anyway.

[@dirtybubblz1995]

It’s been years since I’ve seen that apartment... only the OG’s will remember that place of sacredness.

[@Ja.floppa]

Eres jotin

[@seanslaysean7097]

*sadness

[@cherry3836]

my prediction for this vid is that datto is gonna say the same things he’s been saying for years so people shut up, but people will still bring up the topic anyways and he’ll have to put a link in his stream

[@DattoDoesDestiny]

ding ding

[@cherry3836]

@@DattoDoesDestiny lmao knew it

[@Larry_Owlmann]

@@DattoDoesDestiny I can head the exasperation in that simple response lol

[@novousuarionaoidentificado]

@@DattoDoesDestiny Aha!

[@ashb7]

@@DattoDoesDestiny ... ding. HIVE!

[@SomeFellow2000]

It’s refreshing to hear someone be realistic for once, even if it’s depressing. I’d rather have sad truth, than comforting lies.

[@Passport_1]

Datto are you sure you didn’t mean to upload this 5 years ago

[@DattoDoesDestiny]

people still don't get it

[@am_002]

@@DattoDoesDestiny theres a reason why

[@ben8793]

And in 5 years from now as well? Hell, just schedule this video to re-post itself every year and it'll still be accurate.

[@SomeFellow2000]

@@DattoDoesDestiny because ya can’t argue with easy money. As depressing as the means are.

[@mutantraze3681]

@@ben8793 and there will still be people to complain about it. Like ffs, just accept that Cosmetic only gear will be harder to get for free. Im still hoping that the limit will continue after S14 to be 20 per class but it should still carry over so just dont be indecisive and think b4 you transmog. Or just pay cuz if ya really want it, then do it

[@jonwoodall881]

I’m glad the destiny community has someone like Datto in it

[@dadankengine4661]

1:58 “If you want the microtransactions out of the game, you gotta stop buying them!” *guy dies in background*

[@zer0nelothar895]

He he~

[@1-2519]

He he~

[@khlobbia]

He he~

[@zTxMeta]

That was actually datto getting executed by the Bungo Mafia

[@wrophoenix]

Me: Yeah I completely agree, Eververse is outta hand. Also me, the piece of shit still buying tasty armor ornaments: *The guy dying in the background*

[@Havauk]

It's like Dunkey said: "It's time to adress the most unconsistant voice in the gaming community: The gaming community"

[@bob-859]

I tried googling this quote to see what specific video it was from and sure enough it popped up as the first result. Google is kinda Pog.

[@Rabidchu]

Short version: the eververse genie is out of the bottle and it's never going back in.

[@hehehe88]

BECAUSE people keep rubbing the lamp. EDIT: to clarify; You can blame Bungie, you can blame Datto, You can blame santa clause, you can blame whoever you like, but you know its people within the community that encourages stuff like this. The community refuses to accept its an amorphous blob that doesn't all want the same things, and will make grandstanding statements to inspire and rally and earn clout. They ask for stuff, and then they get mad about asking for stuff.

[@fort809]

@@hehehe88 eververse makes half their revenue, it’s never going away no matter how ass it is for the franchise

[@Solaxe]

@@hehehe88 the community doesn't encourage stuff like this, whales do

[@HarmonicVector]

@@Solaxe Except that whales still don't make up a majority of Destiny revenue. It's not just whales that buy cool-ass armor sets or SIVA-inspired ornaments that only occasionally appear in the Bright Dust section for one chance to acquire them before the weekly reset happens. The community will always keep buying Eververse because the cool shit is ALL on Eververse.

[@hehehe88]

@@Solaxe Whales are community members, my dude, so even if you were right, which you aren't, people can't just fund a videogame based on something like 20% of it's playerbase, this is the type of bullshit i'm talking about; It's not one divide, its the entire blob.

[@zofotoziggy]

Datto's tone is the incarnation of "I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed."

[@VitaminP]

Thumbnail sold me on this alone

[@oisinmcphillips2090]

The Infinite Tess, gonna be a new boss in Vault of Glass

[@dragonba2883]

@@oisinmcphillips2090 if you wipe you are forced to buy 1000 silver

[@marlonthomas2713]

Is oozing big J3z energy. He's gotten infected. RIP

[@asher4473]

I have only purchased silver for season passes, and I wait for things to rotate into the bright dust shop if I really want something, like the anarchy ornament for this season. Armor synthesis could be better, but it’s not getting worse. It’s adding some stuff, and putting extras behind a paywall. Yeah it sucks but y’all wouldn’t be so mad if they never added it. Well thought out video. Thanks!

[@chickenlord2779]

Eververse isn't just a name, it's a promise.

[@svg_ch]

An eternal promise

[@thebeetleblast5106]

every time I hear this, I feel like she's threatening me. Every time.

[@Achilles053]

@@thebeetleblast5106 The next expansion should be everyone against the Eververse Vendor. A whole raid dedicated to defeating her

[@siddhanthmv3675]

A promise to loot you lol...

[@siddhanthmv3675]

@@Achilles053 LOL😂🤣

[@constructapex2021]

The way you ripped into the "suck at voting with your wallet" is spot on

[@rizzofohshizzle380]

Shout out to whoever jumped off the Tower @2:00

[@nemesis-t3ddi]

Everybody keen on arguing why they won't spend their money until the Siva Anarchy ornament releases.

[@jpgduff]

It was available for bright dust...like a few weeks ago...

[@LittleBigPlanetian]

Everybody gangsta til they release SIVA ornaments I like the one thing that gets people to shut up is whenever there's something SIVA-related.

[@RXOBANSH33]

@@jpgduff And that's why I don't care about the store, I get everything I want with dust. I think a main problem is that people want everything.

[@runek100]

@@RXOBANSH33 nah, if you want some specific armor set and you missed week where it is for bright dust, your only option is eververse.

[@volrogue]

@@RXOBANSH33 that's... definitely not the problem

[@Thats-Akumetsu]

Datto has a point some steamers complaining about eververse then they go spend 100$ weekly in the store

[@plaztik767]

I only use dust in the store. Never real cash. If you play a lot, you will have the dust to get what you want. Be patient, most silver items wind up for sale for dust. Good video Datto

[@jotunn8021]

so i was reading reddit the other day...

[@JonahTwinkletoes]

So I was taking a walk the other day...

[@Illicitpopsicle]

So you were playin catch in the yard with your boys the other day…

[@joshuaklein23]

@@Illicitpopsicle there’s such a thing as too much butt talk and a fellow should be aware of it.

[@bennettfrost9247]

I honestly thought this was a 3-4 year old video brought back by the KZbin algorithm at first

[@friccle_]

It was cause of the d1 footage of Eververse wasnt it If so yeah

[@aimbotarrow5981]

“You guys suck at voting with your wallet!” Brings me back to how millions completely hated Infinite Warfare when its trailer came out, and then it became the top-selling game of that year :)

[@abudgie6909]

Voting with your wallet is sadly not effective in practice. Extensive regulation or even scrapping free market capitalism entirely is really the only way to kill off these practices for good. I know I sound fucking stupid, but clearly these companies are never going to decide to just be nice. It’s not on the consumers to simply not buy things.

[@salvadorvega3805]

Wasnt that because you couldn't get Modern Warfare Remastered unless you bough Infinite Warfare?

[@joshgutteridge2909]

@@salvadorvega3805 probably.

[@thatdarnskag5043]

@@abudgie6909 It's nice to see a SocDem take in the gaming community. I'm so tired of hearing the tired neolib BS about "they're a corporation, they gotta make money for their shareholders" to the detriment of the consumer.

[@fort809]

@@abudgie6909 this is exactly true. “Voting with your wallet” is a fine idea, but players have DESPISED eververse for years yet it still takes in 2-3x the profits of DLC and expansions

[@CommandantLuna]

“Who’s saying ‘no’ to money?” Summed up the entire thing in five words, that’s actually impressive.😳

[@readyforlol]

What i find baffling is how much money whales are willing to waste for virtual cosmetics. Like come on. It's like free NEGATIVE money. Like you're paying for nothing. If the logic is "nobody would say no to free money", then surely nobody should say yes to losing money for nothing, right ? THEN WHY DO PEOPLE SPEND MORE ON SKINS THAN THEY DO ON ACTUAL CONTENT ?!

[@senrign]

@@readyforlol because its not a decision you make with your logic its a decision you make with your emotions. Everyone knows its worthless to spend money on virtual goods but they make you feel good or special so they keep buying it.

[@SuperBeanSquad]

@@readyforlol I never have and never will understand this logic, because it can so easily be applied to anything. People buy stupid and irrelevant shit all the time, what difference does it make if it's virtual instead of physical? If I buy a new lamp for my living room because it fits the aesthetic of the room better, is that a waste if the old one worked fine? In objectivity, yes, but if I prefer the way the new one compliments the room, that has its own value. Same thing goes for virtual cosmetics. It's about being nice to look at. I rarely, if ever, spend money on Eververse, but if you really can't understand why other people do, you're not trying very hard.

[@MrTJCM6]

I SENT THE WHOLE SHIPMENT BACK TO FENCHURCH

[@JimmyPage_sirzepp]

I like where you are at these days @datto...glad you are healthier and have great perspective.

[@aj_darkblade]

Whenever people press Datto about Eververse thoughts video. Datto: Aw shit, here we go again......

[@oddtismentertainment3581]

Everyone: fight eververs Datto: I thought we finished larping an hour ago?

[@th3stainedrose]

Oh. That thumbnail. Dear lord.

[@Sam_Dragonborn1]

Eververse new VOG boss confirmed

[@owenking1499]

EMBRACE YOUR EVERLORD, TESS EVERIS.

[@howardbrandon11]

Definitely thought this was a Jez video at first because of it.

[@bootstrap925]

gamers: microtransactions bad!! also most gamers: time to whale in my favorite gacha game

[@laoprxnce]

*needless to say, i sent the whole shipment back to FENCHURCH*

[@GoDogArchives]

*don't be distracted by the new setup, Gaurdian.*

[@BobbyBaratheon998]

sHe SAid SHe waNTed t0 exPREsS heRSelF SO i GaVE H E R a THumBS uP

[@randomrandomness5942]

no word from Fenchurch today

[@msammut4]

I was like “please don’t apologize for giving your opinion” and then you DOUBLED DOWN and I’ve been slow clapping through this video. Thank you!

[@MuuToo]

Aw man, seeing those year one eververse mods and store interface brings back some memories

[@johannvongenerico9487]

Never had a good conversation about microtransactions generally. But I'm glad you brought up horse armour. I remember when that was the most aggressively terrible bonus purchase in a game, and I wish more people in gaming had longer memories beyond nostalgia

[@600gx4]

“I don’t wish to argue anymore, I just wish to be happy” (Baka mitai intensifies)

[@tomoyatoko7262]

Exactly why I started playing other games 😂 though if bungie make a taken king style dlc and fix the game I'll MABYE return, I doubt they will though. Its a shame bcz I really liked destiny..

[@XxdaxtobixX]

dame da ne

[@luddbros689]

@@tomoyatoko7262 DO IT THEN!!!!

[@Ja.floppa]

@@XxdaxtobixX dame yo

[@Krisars]

@@tomoyatoko7262 Cool Got any more sob stories for the week?

[@Halfrican-American]

Kinda hard to sing Kumbaya around Fenchurch when there’s still been no word from him for over 4 years.

[@nitro8523]

"I am tired of the arguments" Damn Datto hit me in the feels

[@nathanward1174]

I watch most of your videos. However this is the first time I have felt compelled to comment. This was a very good video. An honest well processed view. I'm so fatigued with game at the moment. Every corner from trials, guardian games, festival of the lost , gambit , strikes , pvp , the grind . Its all just more , more and less quality. Good video sir!!! Stay safe. Family first.

[@garfis2606]

SHE SAID SHE WANTED TO EXPRESS HERSELF SO I GAVE HER A THUMBS UP

[@user-lv8dn8gw9z]

Stuff of nightmares that

[@andrewpearson2666]

Our leader has spoken. Fenchurch must pay for these war crimes. Good talk Datto.

[@solstia458]

The Taken King shirt...throwback

[@rhinesza12]

I didn't realize people still complained about Eververse... I see ornaments on guardians left and right😂😂

[@thefourthhorsemanwithornam9314]

Because it’s one of the best done monetization schemes I’ve ever seen in a game. You can get pretty much everything relatively easily by just playing the game. The only thing being that it’s time gated. Therefore some people decide to just buy the ornament instead of waiting or they wanna buy an old item. The monetization in destiny is fine. The community is just stupid.

[@BaldguyWifi]

Not spending money on silver for 7 years gang rise up!

[@andrewking5263]

Hi

[@handsomeshaxx2382]

"Im sick of arguing with people over the internet" A certain character would say "I can feel that in my bones"

[@Kellestial]

Does it go 🎵electric wavey?🎵

[@mokeybuns9668]

Datto is the king of the moral high ground

[@wooders2206]

It's over Bungie! I have the high ground

[@TheFlamefolk]

I like my stuff to look how I want. I honestly don't feel ashamed for buying what I have from the eververse. It hasn't been a lot, but I love the things I payed for. They bring me joy. To each their own.

[@Doshsviel]

Maybe when Tess hears the word from Venchurch, she'll go away.

[@funnelweb297]

“It’s simple math datto, I thought you of all people could handle that” -Tess Eververse

[@cadbane2633]

Oh man the strange dance brought back memories haha

[@bjcooper4365]

Thank you for your wisdom, Lord Datto

[@finn1708]

My confirmation bias is tingling. Thank you for agreeing with me datto.

[@themainveztex6020]

The sheer amount of people ive seen who have purchased the Celestial ornaments this season is surprising. When you said "You all suck at voting with your wallet" thats what I thought of

[@parkerventura2989]

Ive got a feeling this is largely because of the fact that you can get it with bright dust. That’s how I got the whole set

[@WillWinx]

An argument I've never heard anybody talk about is the fact that with armor synthesis they are effectively removing the chase for good-looking AND high stat armor. People looking to do the raid or dungeons many times for high stat armor that looks good will no longer have anything to grind towards if they could just unlock that piece of armor as a transmog. The cap not only serves Bungie in a monetary way, but it also serves us, players, to be more careful about what armor we grind for and what ornaments we unlock.

[@kylemontgomery9396]

I love the way datto just talks freely and when he gets slightly annoyed or stuff like that it’s just so funny. Good vid

[@Forcer69]

Remember you can avoid Taxes, but you can’t avoid Eververse

[@Phoenix6942-7]

@@murduerousgub Destiny Cops on yo tail

[@VergilPeterson]

Yes that makes perfect sense. I can avoid a payment irl that is mandatory, but I can’t avoid an optional cosmetic store. Good observation

[@Phoenix6942-7]

@@VergilPeterson bruh

[@cooperk.3560]

Forcer always has the wisdom

[@Punmate]

@@VergilPeterson This has to be bait.

[@EveTheGuardian]

If it makes you feel any better, Datto, I've been feeling this exact same way since Shadowkeep

[@Blindluck92]

Datto: "I have yet to spend a *dime* on Silver in Destiny 2 and maybe I spent ten dollars on it back in Destiny 1." Me: "So damn glad to hear I'm not the only one."

[@InsipidMoniker]

I only had enough bright dust for 2 of the 3 elemental glows for the Solstice armor and they were so cool that I figured I would pony up the silver for the third one. Bungo immediately making them totally obsolete taught me never to spend money on Silver ever again.

[@GarrickMerriweather]

Great video!! The only thing I would say is that just because people are "bad" at something doesn't; in turn; negate the viability of that something.

[@BurnTheRest]

Wayne: "Couple gamers come up the reddit thread the other deee."

[@artemis3829]

Lmao letter kenny

[@Symphoniics]

I was thinking about this a lot this week. This is quite a timely video.

[@TerribleWarden]

Remember when the tower was attacked and many guardians were forced to retreat into the farm, and Eververse saw that as a opportunity to sell their things to the Guardians.

[@abudgie6909]

They be lookin like Nestle

[@xnbk-yotiex5247]

Remember when players said “ lets just wait and see” ?

[@eidolon9767]

Datto: Makes video explaining his thoughts Internet person: asks Datto what he thinks in stream Datto: links video Internet person: does not agree, gets mad, asks Datto why he doesn't agree with him on stream Datto: *suffering*

[@ponyboy8187]

Tuesday reset is Destiny used to be sacred. Factions, Gunsmith, Weekly Raids all used to have people staying up all night or missing work waiting for reset to hit. Seeing a squad of six guardians decked out in full AOT raid ornaments used to make me stop dead in my tracks ans salute those teams. Guardians would gather around and have dance parties celebrating how meaningful that teams armor was. Some of my greatest frienships started as a result of these unique traditions only found in Destiny. It was part of the soul of the game, part of what made Destiny so great, so special. I knew at that time I had ZERO chance of completing most of the raids. But in those special moments i swore to myself that i would become one of those Guardians that i thought were so amazing back when I was just a Blueberry in the Tower in D1. And I did it ! I dedicated the next 3 years of my life to becoming a god tier raider that could take on any challenge Bungie threw at me. "So I got with sick ass crew and went all out". Sadly once i achieved my goals those moments had ceased to exist. I found similar joy in chasing the OG Pinnacle weapons. I agree with you dude. If you wanna spend it, spend it. But I miss those magic moments and I feel like the majority of items that used to create opportunities to have those kind of moments are now found in Eververse. When i log in on Tuesdays I check to store rarely spend a bit of Bright Dust and split. Lemme be clear real quick. Bungie makes plenty of fuckin money. The question is... is it worth the cost of the soul of the game.

[@midna1673]

Ada: I will become superior eververse;) Tess: *N O*

[@martyred-4755]

I buy stuff, not because I like it all, but because I am a collector with OCD, therefore I feel the urge to buy despite not needing to. Also, it doesn't help that Bungie is one of my favourite companies and Destiny being my favourite franchise. It also helps me belive I am helping them (when I am most likely not). But, I would love to see Eververse go! (Very unlikely to happen). Anyhow, love the video, you actaully made some great points that people may not have thought of!

[@subbot8077]

THANK YOU for talking about how awful the gaming community is about voting with their wallets, Datto. I've been saying this before Eververse had even begun.

[@Solaxe]

we can't vote with our wallets because whales will keep spending hundreds if not thousands on eververse. It's the case in every other game with MTX

[@readyforlol]

@@Solaxe That's the thing. The voting analogy is wrong. The free market isn't a democracy. It's an oligarchy. One person can turn in thousands of votes and tip the scale on their own if they have enough money to burn. Therefore, the right mindset isn't "vote with your wallet", but "eat the rich".

[@TJ.85]

@@Solaxe sorry bud I know you want to assume it's just whales but the fact is that it takes way more than a few whales to keep something like this going for as long as it has. They have the data the majority of the community is interacting enough with their store to make it work. You and a portion of the community may not but I promise you on a whole enough people do to easily put weigh those that dont. I don't spend much but might by 50 bucks worth of silver once or twice a year. And plenty of people are just like me without much complaining they happy to drop a couple bills to get what they want. We aren't all children with more time than money I make the 15 for a universal ornament in like a couple minutes and yet you expect me to do hours of not weeks of grinding to get it instead? Lol Some. Kid born in 04 (according to his username) was bragging how he he "showed bungie" by doing 400 bounties to pay for his GG Ornament! Lol yes he sure showed them. Giving up weeks of time for lunch money ain't smart Id rather work over 15 min today then spend a week of free time grinding for what is basically lunch money. I'll play the game and I'll warn everything I can (I just got my 4k bright dust bonus the other day and my guilded conqueror) but I'm certainly not going to have. A problem paying a couple bucks to save myself dozens of hours or meaningless grind.

[@subbot8077]

@@readyforlol agreed. eat the rich

[@serballista]

Seeing the old Eververse shop from days of D2’s past, really made me miss it. At least then, you couldn’t access it from orbit. You had to seek the store out, nowadays, it’s got a way of being on your screen at all times.

[@yawanoc]

You have no idea how many times I refreshed the page in the beginning because I couldn't figure out why your voice didn't match the video. I seriously thought my sound was acting up.

[@zachellis147]

Your recent videos resonate with my own personal opinions so much... like soo much lol. I feel you man

[@M0N573R11]

when the whisper mission came out i bought the skins... and in turn that funded outbreak (at least thats what bungie told us)

[@DeathsPit00]

I've only bought one thing in Eververse in D2. The red Thorn ornament, and I did that with silver that Bungo gave me for free and left over silver from buying season passes a few years ago. I use bright dust on literally everything else.

[@Erowid13]

This should show more than anything that reddit/Twitter and forum communities are such a small fraction of the overall player base that they don’t have nearly as much power as they think they do.

[@fort809]

Oh yeah. The forums act like man children crying about every chair in destiny that they stub their toe on, and then act like it was all thanks to their whining when obvious issues in the game get fixed after two years despite that fact that a “popular” post there is 4-500 upvotes at best. It’s a drop in the bucket of the player base, and it’s mostly made up of the worst and most toxic elements of it

[@TJ.85]

EXACTLY millions play this game a VERY popular thread might see what 5k-10k interactions? It's a freaking drop in the bucket compared to the number of players NOT whining on internet forums.

[@zomgpie2]

@@TJ.85 Eh, millions dont really play this game, least not anymore

[@TJ.85]

@@zomgpie2 call it whatever you want they've sold millions of copies including recent expansions they've also had daily active users on just 1 platform alone cross 100k so it's easy enough to assume in any given season at the very least a million people interact with the game. Numbers are hard to nail down but either way the amount of players complaining on reddit is absolutely a small sub section of it total players. I know 6 people personally who play and I'm the only one who goes beyond playing the game for interaction with the community. And I know my friends are some of the more hardcore types imagine the players who aren't raiders or gm attempters u mean I look at my stats and I'm in the the top 1‰ in many categories the other 99% are likley a lot less dedicated than me especially the bottom half or so.

[@zomgpie2]

@@TJ.85 I mean yes it did sell millions, but that many are certainly no longer playing the game, specially if steam charts are anything to go by.

[@Intruuder1]

Keep up the balanced viewpoint, much more useful a conversation than jumping on the latest how to hate the software house, while spending little or no money other than DLC and season passes playing the game for 1000’s of hours and in a few cases making a decent living off of a game they claim to hate. Thank you sir!

[@ERFMXVCC]

The only time I've had a non-confrontational conversation with someone about Eververse is when I returned to the game after a long period of time and asked "Is eververse still the same"

[@PLBiohazard]

Answer : yup You : ah... The end

[@JizzyNinja]

I mean I said no to money when I switched careers to follow my dream and spend more time with my family, but I get what you’re saying. Great vid, I’m glad we had this conversation about eververse.

[@skolaskellofkells4301]

That thumbnail is very interesting

[@masterjim666]

Good talk. People have to realize that Eververse is purely optional. Everything in it. Including additional Transmog charges.

[@dewrod96servantofakenohime58]

“You guys suck with voting with your wallet” Yeah, but at this point, I feel like I just don’t care anymore, I’ve accepted it for what is, and I’ve fallen far down the rabbit hole to turn back now. Whether I do or don’t purchase items from EV with Silver, it makes no difference since others will still spend money anyways.

[@EdgedPixie]

Heard of tragedy of the commons? It's that in both directions.

[@dethronethelion1337]

"I'm tired of it, I'm so tired of it, I don't have time for it anymore..." I feel that on a spiritual level 😒

[@CrustyCrendan]

Datto- "YOU SPEND TOO MUCH ON SILVER, this video isn't directed at you specifically" Ohhh I think it is

[@olivervanderkuip1627]

Yo even if that is you, like Datta also said, who is he to tell you how to spend your money. I'm gonna be real even if the hypothetical where Eververse stops earning money and then Bungie magically decides "we should put Eververse stuff as rewards instead" I don't think it would change the state of the game very much anyway. So you do you man

[@matteovukoja1240]

It's never too late to stop buying Silver. I've spent $50 CAD for some decent looking ornaments for my characters, and that's it. I will only be using Bright Dust from now on

[@snailpuncher1021]

I have spent a maximum of 40 dollars on silver, aside from season passes. I think bungie did a very good job with bright dust by making a good rotation of normally silver items

[@crownofgallia9770]

I love this. Keep being Datto, Datto.

[@pg2296]

Bungie did come out and say that the Whisper of the Worm ornaments offered in the eververse allowed them to develop the Outbreak Perfected mission Zero Hour. Itd be cool to get more transparency like that in the future, but we just know too little about their finances to make any sort of assumption. But I agree, that isnt a problem the consumer should have to worry about

[@Shinigami1510]

When Daddy Datto is being strict with the kids🤣

[@Dubitz]

The only thing I've ever purchased from the Evervese was the micro-mini sparrow. Couldn't resist the Mini.

[@GalenLeRaaz]

I actually love, how leveled and thoughtful Datto is, when it comes to discussing these topics.

[@hehehe88]

I just love how real they get. Datto doesn't shy away from knocking bungie AND the community under the bus, which they, and everyone else, should on occasions like these. When bungie does stupid things like this, its because the community asked for, or encouraged this. Look at how much shit nightfall loot got, look at how pinnacles went, look at how much people bitched about year 1 and half the loot not mattering, and not being good, and flooding the lootpool. The community asks for shit, they get it. It's not a monkey's paw, it's a lamp, and the community keeps rubbing the lamp and asking for things that piss them off. It's performative, it has to be, or else its stupid, and i refuse to reason that everyone that plays destiny is stupid, because im still sitting here grinding for a godroll Blasphemer on the moon, noticing all this shit people do, and im not alone in that, as this video crystalizes.

[@user-lv8dn8gw9z]

@@hehehe88 the biggest issue, imo with sunseting was that it was basically everything, there wasn't any line drawn on what was sunseted and what wasn't (plus forsaken and shadowkeep stuff was sunset, both expansions which bungie still charges for)

[@BriteSeids]

I’m sorry datto, I just started playing destiny again after 2 years and I really appreciate all your content. I never stopped being involved and watching content in the destiny community and I just wanted to say I’m sorry you’re stuck with destiny as a franchise. I know some of your audience wouldn’t stick around for nondestiny videos but there’s still people that will watch things just for you. I started watching you in 2014 when I was middle school I am now going into uni and I’ve stayed for destiny monster hunter destiny 2 even when I stopped/ never wanted to play those games bc I found your personality entertaining and interesting. Basically love you datto I’m sorry you feel stuck on the destiny bus but you do have fans that aren’t here just for destiny guides. Be well.

[@SHZTCG]

General Yuu watching this video: "What the hell did I ever do to you??"

[@jessemasters1446]

GET EM DATTO!!!!!!! I keep telling my friends to stop paying for half finished games and microtransactions!

[@colef2222]

Need a season where Fenchurch comes back and kicks Tess off the tower, freeing us

[@sphinxoforion7422]

Let’s redo forsaken but instead of cayde put fenchurch and Tess there to get mauled by the scorn

[@nickfisher]

Fencurch is dead. Tess killed him. There is no freedom.

[@bradwhite5884]

What if Fenchurch is 10x as worse as Tess

[@kasumimi]

So logical and groundedk, thank you sir Datto.