Forger v Nomad - Can Forger make a comeback in 2023

[@andrewsmith4575]

I love Nomad but it blows my mind that it still doesn't have polygon editing

[@maximoguerrero]

I tried several times to get into forger, nomads ui just feels natural. I would pay in app purchases for additional features like a box modeling

[@johndeggendorf7826]

Me too. I feel very at home in Nomad. Stephane deserves every $ he makes. ✌️🍷🎩🎩🎩

[@vapsman88]

Thanks, Glen! I've been waiting for this.

[@SouthernGFX]

I’ll be honest, as I mention, I’ve struggled with it. It’s not the perfect solution by a long shot just now, but it does have promise. I excited to see other developers get this made.

[@creativeearthian1702]

I'm a sculpting guy, but would also love to model some vehicles and other hard surface objects. So, being on Android I hope Stephane will add poly modeling to Nomad..that would pretty much make it perfect. And I think he plans doing just that.

[@johndeggendorf7826]

Absolutely…and I hope so. I think a few years from now we’ll understand the genius of Stephane’s roadmap. I’m here for the duration to see it unfold. But Forger deserves some love, too, and getting poly tools on iPad is a very smart move. ✌️🍷🎩🎩🎩

[@Ben-rz9cf]

Stephane is an absolute madlad with adding features. If you go and ask for a feature on the forums, chances are it will be added in a later release way sooner than you would expect. Its happened for me like 3 times.

[@johndeggendorf7826]

Thanks for that, Ben. I just have a feeling that Nomad is here for the duration & will be more & more useful. Gotta give Stephane a shout. ✌️🍷🎩🎩🎩

[@jomesias]

Forger lost me the instant they went full Adobe, and now they’re pay to play! I’ll use unreal for my poly Modelling, that you very much! The grid cube is nuts! 🙌

[@ashchan30]

Yall. Nomad all the way! I used both, and as a professional Game Artist, although both were amazing, I really took to Nomad. It was easy to use and had tons of features, most similar to Zbrush. Forger kept bugging on me. Mask invert wasn't working and my files corrupted easily, even with simply models. Symmetry wasn't perfect either. Nomad is 10x better. Yes, Nomad is more complex to use but there are tutorials to use. Some features are easy to find too

[@SouthernGFX]

Thanks for sharing!

[@starmanmia]

Big thanks for this I didnt know anything about the new polygon tools..game changer for me as I can use blender on pc but use forger on the couch to make assets while I chill on the couch as the wife is watching emmerdale and eastenders lol..love you man xxx

[@SouthernGFX]

Sounds like my life! Glad you find them helpful.

[@nikoulph]

great! I'll be back into forger to check it. Thanx for the video

[@mightytriceradog5490]

Forger went to a subscription model, so forget it

[@SouthernGFX]

Yeah I hear that a lot. It kills it dead for a lot of people

[@johndeggendorf7826]

It’s cheap, though…$15 for the year, that’s not bad. It’s not Adobe. ✌️🍷🎩🎩🎩

[@deliwtz]

@@johndeggendorf7826 don’t care. People should always have the option to own the software they pay for. People also always cite the low price but never add it to the who-knows-how-many subscriptions we’re all paying monthly and yearly for other stuff

[@johndeggendorf7826]

@@deliwtz Right on…another bill. ✌️☕️🎩

[@Sameneedle]

@@johndeggendorf7826 pfft what a rip off

[@danlawson4683]

I would love to see a tutorial on how you made that plant! I have no item how you created those stems and roots. Also, I’m very new to this

[@bebedeluz]

Same box modeling tools from C4D. Hope Nomad gets this one day 🤞

[@johndeggendorf7826]

Is that right? I have no experience with C4D…that’s impressive and bodes well for the future. 🙏🍷🎩🎩🎩

[@johndeggendorf7826]

Any good box modeling toolset for iPad is most welcome, especially if it plays well with your other key apps. If that turns out to be Nomad, all the better…do it all in one place. Thanks Glen, I’ll be looking into this. 🤔🍷🎩🎩🎩

[@SherKhanShani]

After searching for few months I went for Samsung tab s7 plus for 3d sculpting. Was that a right choice?

[@Collect_Call_]

Thanks for making this video about the poly tool in forger. I don’t think I would have known about this feature any other way. As far as I know there are no videos on how to utilize the modeling features. Forger does provide tutorials on all the sculpting tools, but there is absolutely nothing out there about the poly tools! -Except for this of course😊. Wow I mean honestly, where would Nomad be without the people avidly giving tutorials and sharing its potential. Thank you for your enthusiasm and your hard work I really appreciate it.

[@ronaldbell7429]

To be honest, I worry about Nomad. I don't see how it can continue being developed forever. Everybody seems to feel like the price they paid ought to cover both the development costs of the past and of the future, in perpetuity. I'm old enough to remember (and like) paid upgrades. Paid upgrades were so much better than subscriptions. If you weren't impressed by the new version, you didn't need to pay for it, and your app didn't stop working. But it incentivized the developer to add features that made it worth the cost (and sometimes that update was simply making the app not break with Apple's newest OS, since that does sometimes happen... but almost no devs ever limited themselves to just that).

[@johndeggendorf7826]

Agreed…Nomad certainly gives a lot of bang for the buck.

[@SouthernGFX]

Adobe will have tried a few times by now.

[@DisgruntledPigumon]

Just like Affinity recently did, when Nomad reaches v2.0, they can charge for a whole version upgrade. And we’ll gladly pay because the app is the best. But that’s assuming v2 gets poly modeling. 😅😅

[@captureinsidethesound]

I would pay subscription cost for a Path Tracing/Ray Tracing and animation feature that’s online/cloud based for faster rendering. I can see how the developer could partner with a company like Shadow or Epic Games, even if it’s just a trial period to test the waters. Another great option would be a feature that sends the project to your local PC using Blender, D5 Render and/or Twinmotion.

[@teabagNBG]

im new to scuplting i got me forger on my new ipad m2... i got it because its free, this video is interessting lol im now thinking about buying nomad

[@SouthernGFX]

Nomad is definitely worth a go and you will see there are plenty of Nomad videos on this channel to help you!

[@teabagNBG]

@@SouthernGFX i think i got it 2 hours after the comment :D got it for a few weeks now... still a beginner but im learning new stuff all the time

[@abigailluzvideos]

Tried it, it’s pretty good, but there’s no snap button, or a way to change the origin point of the model. It seems designed to be very loose and it’s hard to do anything precise.

[@johndeggendorf7826]

I’ve tried it,too…it’s not bad, especially if you don’t know what you’re doing. 🤔🍷🍷🍷🎩

[@AScribblingTurtle]

As a huge fan of Forger Classic, it is sad to see, that stuff like this is locked behind a subscription. 😥 Really shows the middle finger to anyone doing this just as a hobby.

[@SouthernGFX]

I get where you are coming from.

[@alanhuang8165]

As a hard surface modeling tool to use with Nomad Sculpt, why not consider Shapr3D? I know that Shapr3D also requires a subscription, and the subscription price is higher than Forger, but it is also more powerful. I have subscribed to Forger for a year, but I am not used to it. It was interesting until the Polygon modeling function was added after the recent update. I also hope that Forger can evolve stronger in the future, but I still feel that it is currently dealing with hard surface modeling. Maybe Shapr3D works better with Nomad Sculpt.

[@_Garm_]

Hi i really like your videos, would it be possible to show us how you would make a model in to a game asset, how would you go about it as the models in Nomad are very poly heavy :)

[@DisgruntledPigumon]

😭😭😭😭 I read “Forger Gets Poly Tools, Can Forger Make A Comeback?”, I read it as “Nomad gets Poly Tools”. 😢😢😢😢 PLEASE NOMAD. Thanks for all the prettiness tweaks. But we need more core tools like Poly modeling.

[@aroid_artist]

Hahahah I wish. That would be the dream my friend

[@alekjwrgnwekfgn]

I’ll never pay Maxon a cent. ZBrush 2022 all the way, I’ll never subscribe for an upgrade. Actually Nomad and Blender cover 99.9% of my sculpting needs and they have a great user experience.😅

[@Triad3DStudio]

At the moment I have Nomad installed on my PC in a virtual program called BlueStacks and I'm using the Huion KAMVAS 20, GT-191 Digital Graphics Drawing Tablet. When sculpting in Nomad, the issues I'm having are separation of stroke points which is having to pause a second between strokes, I also find this same issue when using Nomad within the web browser version. Would you happen to know if there is any settings within Nomad that can fix this issue?

[@MrJustwatchin9]

I don’t see why Maxon doesn’t just make a mobile version their zbrush. Like zbrush core mobile.

[@lostonegrey1555]

I would love that, but you then have to consider what can to added to an app on a device so limited compared to a high end computer.

[@sandeepchauhanartist]

How movement character in nomad sculpt

[@sinisalomikko]

At this point my requirements for polymodelling are so high that barebones polymodelling tools don´t really peak my interest. Sure there´s some shapes that will benefit from good subD topology. But for characters and organic stuff focusing on topology first is bit backwards these days. Sure if you want to animate it you´ll need nice deformable topology eventually. But than can achieved later in the pipe when you have good silhuette and shapes in place. I´d rather see some nice sdf based modeller on ipad like MagicaCSG. With that you could do more technical hardsurface without focusing on the topology.

[@Collect_Call_]

My first exp w modeling on the iPad was shapr3d. It’s an amazing tool, but when I stumbled on to Nomad I really fell in love. But I found myself trapped between surface modeling and sculpting. Yes it would be cool if nomad had a surface modeling feature like forger, but for now I’m plenty happy bouncing my mesh over to nomad from forger. The subscription is waaaay more reasonable than shapr3d and it’s more organic and tactile. Forger is a lil clunky tho, but I’m getting a lot out of it.

[@laurencechase5439]

Thanks for this video! Does forger have a Boolean/subtract mesh operation like nomad does? Can’t seem to find it and it’s a huge missing feature.

[@SouthernGFX]

Nope. It’s one of the major differences. Nomad kicks for for 3D printing prep using voxel removal features,split, trim and similar tools. Neither app has true Boolean functions. I guess now, Forger could implement the Cinema4D boolean features maybe but there are more things missing or needed before that. I am getting a lot of crashes.

[@Lollipup-Toffee]

Is there a way to hollow out a model in forger? I want to 3D model my own bjd, but I can’t find a way to make a hole in a model, also do you know of any free uv mapping apps for iPad? Forger keeps making holes in the uvs so when I upload my models to procreate there are always white spots, even on a sphere!

[@Lollipup-Toffee]

Also does Nomad sculpt allow you to make holes and hollow out meshes? I want to know if I should get it😁

[@enzomareum1978]

I managed to make my own BJD model in Nomad. I only printed the head bc I didn’t have a resin printer at the time but it worked. All you have to do is select both shapes with the one that will make the cavity with its visibility turned off, then voxel remesh them and nomad will subtract the cavity shape from the main one, if that makes sense

[@SouthernGFX]

I am hoping that Forger getting Polygon tools will make other programs jump on the band wagon. Lets jump forward and imagine a few scenarios: LETS HAVE FUN AND SPECULATE 1. Nomad gets a full rage of poly tools. ******** 2. GravitySketch makes a functioning new version with their already powerful Sub D tools ****** 3. Blender on the Ipad **** 4. ZBrush on the…Nah…. 5. Octane? 6. Cozy blanket goes full modeller. 7. Adobe Modeler goes mobile 8.Silo goes Mobile. It’s an exciting time with mobile software and it’s all to play for. Let me know your predictions.

[@ztoogemcducc6360]

iPad more than meets the system requirements to run blender and Maya. With Octane X coming to iPad maybe we'll see more 3D software make it's way over?

[@SouthernGFX]

@@ztoogemcducc6360 ohhh man Octane on an M2 would sing….

[@johndeggendorf7826]

Blender on the iPad, man…I can feel it in the air! 🙏🍷🎩🎩🎩 (Not necessarily the full program, but the modeling/sculpting tools.)

[@SouthernGFX]

@@johndeggendorf7826 Wouldn’t we know about that though? They always announce major stuff well in advance right?

[@ztoogemcducc6360]

@@SouthernGFX I'm actually kind of skeptical about it. I've never used it so I might be totally wrong. But rendering on a mobile system that's incredibly ram limited seems kind of bad? Like you're gonna want the iPad plugged in and you won't be able to render larger scenes with only 8 to 16 gigs. I'm sure the m2 would kick ass but I feel like the memory and thermal throttling will really let it down.

[@mushnoodle]

Its nice if you already got a maxon subscription but i rather go nomad+cozyblanket even with the extrastep of switching programs to me it feels less awkward than how the forger tools work for some reason 😅

[@SouthernGFX]

Thanks, appreciate your comment

[@fieldworks1939]

Still can’t get Forger to not crash while editing meshes. Looks really promising, but very frustrating. I’m last gen iPad Pro so not sure if the latest gen is needed to keep this app stable

[@SouthernGFX]

Very few people report crashing even on older machines so I’d be interested to see what’s going on

[@johncorbitt4112]

Still not worth the subscription rate Maxon wants

[@furynotes]

If I am pay for $1 a month. With little to no updates. That gives me pause.

[@saphi20]

@@furynotes whaaa? are you telling me you don't like the "We added more languages support" or the "We fixed some bugs (we won't tell you which ones, don't dare to ask)" or the "we improved the overall performance of the app" updates that 99.99% of the subscription model apps in the app store do so you think they are actually improving the apps? :o

[@roofoofighter]

Forger is dead to me since they nixed the app I already paid for. And rolled out the separate subscription app.

[@jcsfx710]

either the bridge doesn't work or is the worst written piece of crap every placed with it's name... it just doesn't work in any way shape of form... can you make a tutorial if it works for you?

[@SouthernGFX]

Hey Juan. Sadly I think your second comment might be right. I had high hopes for this update but I’ve been finding it more and more frustrating. We DESPERATELY need a Poly Modeling app on the ipad and this is the closest I’ve seen so far. It just doesn’t work well when you start getting into it. So sad as Forger used to be an amazing program.

[@alexribeiro8805]

I think you guys are wanting too much from a mobile device!!!!! thanks to this video I just remembered to end my Forger subscription, Nomad is more than enough Forger is hideous!!!!!

[@JayJohnson26]

In 2022 what even is a mobile device anymore? You know how powerful these things are getting? You got iPad pros with 16 gigs of ram. Like my android phone has 12 gigs now. Mobile is getting more and more powerful every year.

[@alexribeiro8805]

I guess you are right, but I can't see you doing a game character with insane details just in the Ipad, I see the mobile device more like a training or start tool and the finished product needs to go desktop, unless you are doing some simple and stylised

[@JayJohnson26]

@@alexribeiro8805 agreed man yeah I like to start my projects on my iPad. Hopefully someday you can do the whole thing but every year we're getting closer and closer! 🔥

[@johndeggendorf7826]

For just modeling & painting characters, I think iPad has plenty of power. Not asking it to do more…then again the distinction between a desktop and mobile device gets a little blurrier every day. Why “finish it” on a desktop when I have all the functions I need on my iPad? Pencils still rock. ✏️🍺🎩🎩🎩

[@johndeggendorf7826]

@@JayJohnson26 Absolutely. iOS apps are still perceived as “beginner” programs…that’s changing fast. ✌️🍷🎩🎩🎩

[@saphi20]

Can Forger make a comeback in 2023? No.

[@SouthernGFX]

Thanks Diego. Why do you think that?

[@ed2fun]

The app has no future against Nomad, as ZBrush doesn't against 3d Coat and Blender, I see the same wrong approach of the developers of ZBrush in this app, I work in Zbrush since date release and even a damn 2 decades the developers can't still give us a descent UI and nav Sys and they improved a little it just because the HUGE pressure over them about just that, what means you better sit for waiting the improvements, Zbrush just became a niche program, is not anymore a industry standard because in terms of UV, retopology and hand paint textures 3D Coat become the king and has even better performance in big scenes, I use an Intel 13900K w/NVidia 3090Ti (about to get the 4090) with 128GB DDR5 RAM and at the scale I work ZBrush still crashes time to time while 3D Coat no matters what I trow on it NEVER crashes, with such hardware I can even sculpt with Blender without a problem, I will not say ZBrush can not get the job done BUT because the great interface nav system and other features Blender and 3D Coat are a MUST to speed up your workflow, just an example: to pick just a brush I need to use 3 keyboard keys in ZBrush or spend hours setting up all my shortcuts while in 3D Coad or Blender I can do it with just ONE, just look at blender pie menu you have all your brushes right there available with just one key, the UI in ZBrush and the name menus are so damn IDIOTIC that you lose a huge amount of time just trying to find something and all that STUPIDITY reflects in a huge learning curve for the program, I can work fast in ZBrush after 2 damn decades of experience but is the MORE ANNOYING AND ACKWARD software to use in computers history I still can't find a worse UI and nav design that ZBrush and you are seeing the same mistakes in Forge now, the developers OVERCOMPLICATE things and is like the damn software is fighting you instead of helping you then when you get a hand on 3D Coat and Blender you can't hold the enjoyment of using them and same happens here, if you use Nomad and switch to Forge you feel a downgrade, and is not a huge price gap then I can not see myself drooping at any point soon Nomad for Forge.

[@Sameneedle]

Forger 👉🗑