M1908 Mondragon Semiauto Rifle

The M1908 Mondragon is widely acknowledged to have been the first self-loading rifle adopted as a standard infantry arm by a national military force. There are a couple earlier designs used by military forces, but the Mondragon was the first really mass-produced example and deserves its place in firearms history.
Designed by Mexican general Manuel Mondragon (who has a number of other arms development successes under his belt by this time), the rifles were manufactured by SIG in Switzerland. They are very high quality guns, if a bit clunky in their handling.
The design used a long-action gas piston and a rotating bolt to lock. Interestingly, the bolt had two full sets of locking lugs; one at the front and one at the rear as well as two set of cams for the operating rod and bolt handle to rotate the bolt with. The standard rifle used a 10-round internal magazine fed by stripper clips, but they were also adapted for larger detachable magazines and drums.
Unfortunately, the rifle required relatively high-quality ammunition to function reliably, and Mexico's domestic production was not up to par. This led to the rifles having many problems in Mexican service, and Mexico refused to pay for them after the first thousand of their 4,000-unit order arrived. The remaining guns were kept by SIG, and ultimately sold to German for use as aircraft observer weapons.
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[@Sean_735]

So... It uses clips and magazines, it's bolt action and semi auto, it has back up systems for almost fucking everything, and it was designed by a Mexican and made in Switzerland. _My name is Mondragon, and I am the most interesting gun in the world._

[@SkyWriter25]

+Seanathon James I don’t always shoot full auto but when I do I use Aquila ammo. Stay loaded my friend!

[@jeremiasastorga8399]

So you can't pull the trigger? Well, thankfully we put a firing lever down here just in case. Oh, an army of bears is attacking you? Thankfully, our anti-bear spray incorporated to the buttstock will take care of that. A Heavenly Host of really pissed off angels wants to murder you? It's alright, the in-built reverse cross will protect you.

[@A-G-F-]

SkyWriter25 you meant Águila?

[@elrayado1228]

Sean James Mexican power 🇲🇽!!! kzbin.info/www/bejne/aGfbnY1-e5KFa9k

[@beefwellington4816]

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[@konnigkratz]

I know aesthetics are low on the list of features for a rifle, but I really love the look of the Mondragon.

[@franciscoh.munozceballos1812]

it is still used as a ceremonial rifle because of it´s looks :D

[@konnigkratz]

Really? where?

[@kevinbustamante3257]

Mexican Military College of Mexico City, and I think that the Main Heroic Naval University does too

[@isaacdiezdebonilla7538]

Kevin Bustamante nope in the military college the Mauser is used as the ceremonial weapons

[@MadSpectro7]

That bolt carrier is a work of art.

[@douro20]

+Shoes It's a SIG. You'd expect it to be.

[@TheStrosso]

It's a mexican design, you'd expect it to be.

[@TheEdudo]

i was thinking alike, how the hell we ended up with plastic hdmw bolt carriers

[@pbgd3]

Someone should have worked on that silly release catch.

[@marioq70]

@Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin Watch: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aGfbnY1-e5KFa9kv

[@jessicasimp4459]

This gun beaten the American M1 Garand by 30 years and the French RSC 1917 by 9 years for being the first mass produced self loading rifle for military use.

[@evandaire1449]

Yeah but this thing jams. Like crazy.

[@loumcgopher1273]

However irrelevant that may be, since it was kind of useless other than in limited roles.

[@HeroSpence]

KCMercenary223 It can't handle mud

[@Immortalkalashnikov]

The M1 Garand cant handle mud either. Watch their mud test on the M1, it jams, miserably. So does the AK47. Almost every gun fails with mud.

[@evandaire1449]

Immortalkalashnikov thats true, but by comparison the Garand is almost unkillable. The mondragon needed really good ammo in clean conditions to function at all.

[@ThatGuyUpThere]

Porfirio Diaz: we need a new weapon for the army. General Mondragón: which features have you thought. Porfirio Diaz: yes, and give space for more.

[@PossumEnemy]

This is a very important piece of Mexican history, we are talking about a rifle that could be used as bolt action, semiautomatic and modified on 1910 to be an automatic rifle (Browning Automatic who?). Its sad that very few people know that there was a time when México was a very innovative country when it comes to firearms and warfare tactics (i.e. do you know where an airplane was used in a war for the first time?). This is the second video I find about this rifle, and of course your video is way better. I find very interesting that this rifle existed before WWI. Several countries, including Germany, had the chance to use, study and improve this firearm, but NOBODY seemed to care about a semiautomatic infantry rifle; seems every army in the world still had the old school thinking prefering bolt action rifles loaded with as few rounds as possible. Crazy for a person of our time. Oh, and not to be a troll, just because you mentioned it on the video... the correct pronunciation is: "Mondragón" (emphasis goes on the third syllable, not the second).

[@J0ZZE123]

PossumEnemy that's why the cartels do what they want in Mexico, because the people aren't permitted to own any firearms, I'm pretty liberal but gun restrictions is something I don't support.

[@Fritz641]

Actually the "right to bear arms " is in the 10 article in Mexican constitution. So contrary to popular belief gun are not illegal to own in mexico.

[@wjsnow2195]

Fritz641 no they’re just really hard to get legally. There is only one official gun store in the country, run by the army in Mexico City. If I remember right you can’t own weapons in military calibers and there are lots of other restrictions.

[@victorsegoviapalacios4710]

Well, when Mexicans were governed with an Iron Fist and under White standards, everything pretty much worked smoothly, but now the Mexicans run themselves under their own "rules" and just see where that has just led us into.

[@manuflmanufl96]

@@victorsegoviapalacios4710 So you think that the iron fist Mexican president Porfirio Díaz a was of White American "Arian" race? OMG you racists are out of your mind. And what about the recent presidents, Pena nieto, Vicente Fox and Ernesto and Zedillo, are they white or Mexican indigenous for your stardards. And tell me if that has made a difference.

[@patrickcrosley6179]

You forgot got to mention that this is serial number one. I would imagine that adds even more to the cool factor of this rifle.

[@3313HMA]

well explain Sr. that's a beautiful rifle , I am from Mexico and Mondragón is my last name.. cool..

[@jorgealba5923]

@RollandB busca los videos del cañon Mondragon

[@bengom68]

Jorge Alba , , , Si es algo impresionante e historico !

[@VictorDeveze]

Ingeniería Mexicana, fue esencial en la Gran Guerra.

[@sgtQuesadilla]

que raro apellido

[@musicaleuphoria8699]

I knew a Mondragón in New Mexico here in the US.

[@Xtariz]

This rifle is like art to be this old... u don't see new rifles this complex anymore...

[@RhodokTribesman]

Most historic experimental firearms are more complicated than modern firearms because the "best" way to do something hadn't been found yet

[@doomyboi]

Truthfully it's because the more complex a mechanism is, and the more moving parts it has, the more things can go wrong with it. As the art of creating repeating firearms was perfected, the number of moving parts needed necessarily had to reduce to get as much efficiency as possible out of every new model. That doesn't take away from the fact that a lot of these older pieces really are quite beautiful to see in action and imagine how their pieces all work together, though.

[@rickautry2759]

Xtariz Complexity is just more that can go wrong. In a wartime economy, you have to sacrifice the sureness of redundancy for ease of production and lower cost, design in more sloppy tolerances and the ability to operate with inconsistent ammo. It was a beautiful weapon for peacetime at the range, but I'm afraid that sand and filth were just too much to design this system around without serious redesign.

[@ravenslaves]

I love those wonderful, over-built, over-designed, weapons from the Victorian/gilded age. There's an aesthetic to them that really started to dissappear in the early years of WWI. Part of this was simple production demands, but a large part of it was psychological as the death tolls grew larger and conditions more horrific. This is a great example of a weapon that was built during that brief time before WWI, when quality and aesthetics and the bonding of the soldier with their weapon was a personal bond. Later to be replaced by the "machine" and its "operator" mentality that many "modern" countries adopted. Cool stuff. I've never seen a Mondragon filmed, much less documented, with this much detail.

[@RedSoakedSponge]

this guys channel must have exploded in popularity ever since Battlefield 1 released haha XD

[@barneystinson6331]

true

[@destroyerinazuma96]

You never know when there'll be a videogame featuring stuff your channel is brimming with. I bet a lot of History-related channels are benefitting from Civ and Total War games :)

[@tobiasretta1416]

Paden Conner But me.

[@jd646]

Paden Conner you're a fucking moron

[@BigBoo64]

+Paden Conner Not quite nobody, but it was certainly not looked at in any way other than "The First World War where there were trenches and bolt action rifles," by the masses, save for history buffs. But yes, Battlefield 1 certainly helped a large group of people to appreciate this part of history.

[@TightBones]

Ian, thank you for everything you do for the firearm community. Your hard work and dedication definitely show in your videos which are by far my favorite among youtube's firearm channels. Cheers!

[@ForgottenWeapons]

Well, thank you!

[@gervas4935]

alejandro moyron There is another one here. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqOlnGqoabd_mJI

[@dhananjaychafale6545]

Pretty much, he can dig as much as he can.

[@tboda2621]

@@ianmoyron3919 is it just me or do so many people end up in a whisper at the end of each sentence, or phrase Nowadays? What, another trend I have to learn to follow? "Baa" Other than that. Great Video.Thanks

[@romeoechofoxtrot18]

Mexico's new assault rifle the fx 05 is really really cool

[@BurnTheNuance]

It'd an Hk clone, and they make great rifles so I am sure it is sweet. Unless they just use Hk and use different terminology.

[@52snipe]

Hugh Mann Fx-05 "xilcoatl"(Aztec for: snake of fire). Cool gun.

[@skylerslack5677]

too bad Mexico only has one gun shop lmao and you can only buy one gun, not higher then 7mm, and only 200 rounds of ammo per year

[@SammyNeverEver]

BurnThePope False. It's a completely different system and only LOOKS similar to an hk to make the transition smoother.

[@a1pher]

BurnThePope The internals of the FX-05 have nothing to do with the HK, the external look is for easier transition between the two rifles.

[@extraintelligence]

"These guns deserve to be shot." That might need some rewording.

[@extraintelligence]

***** Precisely. "These guns deserve to be fired" would have worked too, although I like yours better.

[@saxon215]

+FreedomFiend why? Were they bad at their jobs?

[@extraintelligence]

Spark Gap Yes actually; the Mondragon was way too complicated for its own good and didn't perform well.

[@Genevasuggestions1]

Donald trump: Mondragon, you're fired!

[@BurnTheNuance]

+FreedomFiend He explains in the video a lot of the problems was the junk ammo that Mexico used.

[@bobese5099]

The father of the M1 garand and grandfather of the AK47. Mondragon was a very talented man indeed, thinking all this and making it work.

[@marctim1000]

Only mexicans can create the most advanced rifle at the time and dont have the money to pay for it for its army - mexican

[@ferminelcalcetin865]

viva México aún que no me entiendas

[@manuelgearbox7309]

The actually ordered a few thousands from SIG but the Mexican revolution happened and that's why the order was canceled.

[@wolfenstein2882]

l marcteam l aguebo Cabrón Hecho en México

[@mexicobasado8177]

Even after revolution, mexicans sell it to the SS and wermarcht, and when mexico join ww2 they give this gun to the philipine guerrilla against japan

[@conquistadordeamerica124]

General Mondragon was a genius and a great man. Manuel was not only a inventor, a blacksmith but also a great military strategist. In 1914 the Great general Mondragon defeated U.S navy fleet with two German Cannons he modified. In 1914 the U.S. invaded Mexico for 7 seven months. Mexico won the war due to Mondragon, Mexico's military experience, Mexico's weapon superiority and ABC powers as Mexico's allies. Mexican military officials have had experience of losing and winning wars. The last war Mexico entered and won was against the mighty French Empire during the Franco-Mexican war. One of these men who contributed in a decisive battle against the U.S. was General Manuel Mondragon. In 1914 a U.S. Fleet went to the port of Salina Cruz, Oaxaca with the intention of invading Mexico. The General and his men sent signs to announce their intentions. The U.S. did not respond. Mexicans fired a warning shot. The U.S. believed that Mexicans would not fight back and so continued to advance forward. A second shot fired and hit the main battleship. The ship sunk it into the the sea. The Americans fled without even being able to defend themselves. Mondragon was internationally recognized for inventing and upgrading weapons used in world war 1 and also for being a great military strategist.

[@SammyNeverEver]

You're wrong. Salina Rosa happened long before 1914.

[@FRONT-rc1qg]

@@SammyNeverEver mondragon was in the fight

[@josemachina3996]

He didn’t modify the canons he actually invented them and put them on a Mexican navy boat and fired at the us navy warship which made the us retreat the us actually tried to make Mexico to get rid of the two giant canons but Mexico said no until a corrupt general came into power and sold them to turkey the Germans later became inspired the the two canons during we2 and created their own modern canons on their warships

[@bengom68]

jose juarez , , , They were secretly made in Germany under Mondragon's. specifications and were put in a fort , no ship could handle a monster like that , they were very big and heavy , , When the invading forces didn't answer the questioning , some rounds were fired in front of the commanding ship , , But the cannon was out of range of the ships guns , , So they turn back , , ,

[@josemachina3996]

IRONMAN Porfirio Díaz

[@PonchoANS7]

Awesome! That's a piece of Mexican history right there. It' still sometimes used as a ceremonial rifle.

[@allways28]

one of the most satisfying sounds ive ever heard from working that action / bolt

[@crabmansteve6844]

That entire bolt assembly is a damn work of art. I love it.

[@h2pm]

One thing about the mexican crest, that emblem corresponds to that time period, the eagle and the snake have been made over several times that one looks very different from the current one

[@gervas4935]

I read somewhere that the German army used them in WW 2 in the battle for Stalingrad also the Waffen SS. Somewhere else I also read that other countries used them like Brasil, Peru, Austria, Japan, and china.

[@andresmora5192]

El fusil "Mondragon" Es un fusil Mexicano, fue el primer fusil semiautomatico y automatico del mundo.. 👌

[@emilianodron17bassxd74]

Fue el 1 semiautomático utilizado militarmente el 1 automático fue el italiano creí riogetti

[@andresmora5192]

+Emiliano dron 17 Bassxd Si es verdad ya verifique ese dato.

[@cesarmilitarescm9172]

sii después le colocaron un cargador de 100 balas en versión automático y fue la primera ametralladora ligera de la época lo malo es que después los demás países comenzaron a fabricar, copiar, y adquirir el conocimiento de nuestros ingenieros armamentísticos lo cual quedo en el olvido

[@mauroainol8859]

Goku le gana

[@4skintim962]

It was the manlicherr 1895

[@gregbilotta2472]

Oh my gosh, I have been waiting for a video for the semi-auto Mondragon rifle for SO LONG....THANK YOU

[@Uryendel]

"gun deserved to be shoot" Estimated Price: $60,000 - $90,000, little expensive for shooting no? xD

[@ForgottenWeapons]

I don't think the price precludes shooting. It wouldn't be the first gun of that value I've had the opportunity to shoot (and I'm not talking about high-end shorting arms). Shootability, IMO, is based on mechanical condition, not resale value. Of course, I realize that lots of people don't share that opinion, and that's fine.

[@Uryendel]

Forgotten Weapons The problem is if you shoot regularly with it it gonna lose value (because the condition gonna degrade) so technically you lose money, not a big deal on a 1000$ gun but for 60-90k$ that's make the shooting really expensive even if it shoot great.

[@RedXlV]

This certainly isn't an unfired gun, and if you're diligent about maintaining it the condition shouldn't be hurt by shooting the thing.

[@hairyneil]

Uryendel Maybe, but if you're the kind of person the drop $90k on an old gun you might not be too bothered about resale value?

[@TheAlexagius]

hairyneil i know if i has $90k to spend on a gun i'd want to shoot it

[@dannocannon856]

Fucking Meeediiiic

[@MVrockersPS3]

I have thought how funny it would be to go back in time and show the early semi auto gun designers an AR-15 and how simple the direct impingement is.

[@d.esanchez3351]

Jajajaja yes, its kinda fun how improving often means simplifying things

[@zacharyrollick6169]

Well, for true direct impingement you would want to show them the earlier Swedish AG-42.

[@Deridus]

​@@zacharyrollick6169 Imagine showing the engineers of the Mondragon a mk3 Sten. Anachronistic, sure, but imagine. When you concider that anyone with basic machine tools and a little bit of technical know-how can make one, I can only imagine how much further along the tech would have advanced if someone had cracked the code for a short-stroke a decade earlier.

[@user-vy6yg7xt9e]

Imagine typing this comment and not realizing that an AR-15 is not direct gas impingement, but has a piston in the bolt head 😂😂

[@MVrockersPS3]

@@user-vy6yg7xt9e Or imagine saying Linux instead of GNU/Linux. How about STFU and use your limited time on earth for something productive.

[@supremememelord8326]

Damn, those times when Mexico was great

[@justarandomguywantingtostu6539]

Yeah, it was great. Very high economical and technological advance. But the life quality was very low for the majority. After the mexican revolution we were even worse than before, so i consider it a backward, but it was not until 1950's when our life quality raised, being a lot better than in Diaz government (which means like 200 or 300% better than back then)

[@FRONT-rc1qg]

Mexico is great not just for guns!!

[@justarandomguywantingtostu6539]

@@FRONT-rc1qg México está bien, pero no se compara a los 70's

[@dreezy730]

It is, but the government...

[@justarandomguywantingtostu6539]

@@dreezy730 The people has the fault too

[@charlieroskam7293]

Mondragón. MondragOn. The emphasis is on the o. Love the video!

[@sajidhoosen8665]

this weapon cost $57000 OR.... 200 WAR BONDS :D

[@vacciniumaugustifolium1420]

😳😳😳

[@ratagris21]

Thanks for posting and sharing this weapon time capsule of a rifle. Love the design and the Mexican crest on it too.

[@agustinvenegas5238]

That rifle is like "you don't like automatic guns? It doesn't matter! I have a semi-auto mode! You want to load the gun with your own hands? Well, I have for that as well, you don't like fixed magazines? You can get your own magazines in too!!

[@danielguyton8976]

That's a beautiful weapon, Ian! Thanks for sharing! Love the bloopers, too!

[@ferminelcalcetin865]

Viva México aún si la mayoría de la gente de este video hable inglés y no me entienda nada

[@DJGuppy321]

Algun de nos hablamos un poco de espanol. Viva Los Estados, Viva Mexico, Viva Norteamerica.

[@Vanman2]

Saul Torres Palma pendejo

[@Retsnom45]

Pa eso existe el traducto de san google.

[@josphenciso7471]

Alguien mas piensa que porfirio diaz no era tan malo? (Acepto puntos de opinion distintos)

[@nikolateslaelazotadordeter2581]

@@josphenciso7471 el problema de porfirio fue jugarle al vergas :v

[@elpoderdelasgalaxias]

Can't say enough times how much I love what you're doing with these videos. Muchas, muchas gracias/Thanks a lot, Ian.

[@LJVolkov21]

Hey Ian! :D That blooper was a great idea! Be sure to keep the next ones on your next videos, will ya?

[@ForgottenWeapons]

I make a point to keep the good ones. :)

[@pommel47]

Thank you so much for this great segment(including the train whistle). In my 50 years of gun collecting and shooting, I had never heard of this rifle. I love learning something new. I try to learn something new everyday.

[@neapolitano1914]

Just went on RIA to check the price of this baby and found out that a piece like this goes for between $60,000 and $90,000. Thats insane but pretty cool

[@whitespacemarines4308]

Boy, ...the Quality of the machining on these rifles seem to be REALLY high! And SO innovative!! I wonder if with a few changes, it may not be a viable platform. The take-down would have to change. And you could simplify the whole gas/op rod system, but BOY what a great concept and workmanship seems Crazy Good!

[@morg52]

The train is whistling for a crossing, two longs, a short and a long.

[@danielalopezacosta9565]

Orgullosamente... MEXICANO!!!!

[@BananaDuck]

BF1 brought me here :D

[@lilzomboy4421]

What do you play on

[@RevWolf1776]

@@lilzomboy4421 heyyy same

[@rileysmith6460]

Same. Just changed my life as medic

[@awyep4169]

Same tho

[@slowhand1198]

Always wanted to get a better look at the mechanism of these rifles. Thanks!

[@razorbeast8709]

I've always wanted to see the inner workings of this rifle! Thanks for providing this video!

[@Cosmoline]

Thanks for this! The Mondragon is one of those rifles I'd heard about but never really knew much about. It's a better design than I expected.

[@candycane8055]

I would like to own the Mondragon, because it's the gun that Tanya Degurechaff used during the Great War.

[@danielmcpherson5890]

why can't this with the 30 round drum be the last medic class unlock on bf1 :(

[@crozraven]

Daniel Mcpherson we all wish that, even the same level 10 gun with a bigger clip 20-30 is a lot better than the crap we got right now

[@GoldHunter606]

Croz Raven don't shittalk the selbstlader

[@Raygun222]

The Selbstlader 1906 is the most accurate SLR in BF1... At the cost of a small magazine capacity.

[@runlarryrun77]

Your wealth of knowledge fascinates & amazes me. How do you know all these things Ian?

[@ForgottenWeapons]

I read a lot and listen a lot.

[@runlarryrun77]

You must also have an incredible memory. Superb :D I've learned loads from you. Thanks :)

[@clookoo2]

runlarryrun77 Maybe I'm just thick, but it would seem to me that he is a professional, and this passion surpasses a simple title as a "Hobby". What I'm saying is, I believe rare fire arms are his life's work, his career if you will.

[@runlarryrun77]

Thanks for that, random internet person. No really...

[@clookoo2]

runlarryrun77 Oh, you're most welcome. My pleasure.

[@ernestpresley7930]

Hermoso Rifle muy avanzado para esa época

[@saxon215]

It seems to me the build quality of these rifles is very high for this time period, would I be correct or is this particular rifle just in very good shape? I liked the redundancies were these an attempt at dealing with poor operation under adverse conditions?

[@LUR1FAX]

Dang! A rifle with both rear and front locking lugs! And a gas system that can be switched on and off to change between semi auto and manual operation.

[@WalkaCrookedLine]

Interesting that these were acquired by the German military in WW1. To me that fact makes the Gewehr 41 make a bit more sense. The G41 was heavy and complex partly due to the requirement that it have a back up bolt action action mechanism in case the primary semi-auto action failed. This seemingly nonsensical requirement makes a bit more sense when you consider Germany's predecessor semi-auto rifle, the Mondragon, had just such a backup system.

[@johnjones100]

Very interesting about them being used by the germans in the air, those flyers must have thought they were the bees knees compared to thier ground based friends. Keep the vids coming!

[@burningvalhalla3359]

nice in depth video. you earned a sub

[@Ironside701]

Hey Ian! I don't know if you'll read this or if it'll go under by all that comments on your videos. But thank you for all that knowledge you shared with your community, i really appreciate it. I learnd a lot, because of your videos, about German, French and American weapon history i was not even aware of. Greetings from Bavaria/Germany

[@nomanmcshmoo8640]

One of your best features yet!!! THIS was fascinating!!!!

[@Jesses001]

I would love one in my collection, but I doubt I can afford it. It is a shame this design never became very popular. I am sure they would had worked out the reliability issues if it did become popular. I can tell the quality level of that rifle is very good. The finish is perfect and the wood is beautiful. Also unlike many of the older weapons for auction, I could get ammo for this at most major gun stores.

[@MEGALODONGERS]

Thanks so much for posting this! The Mondragon highly interest me, but I haven't actually seen the action of one (up close) until now. That action looks MUCH more complicated than what I expected. Also, I've read in a few articles and whatnot that some Mondragon rifles were converted to fully automatic machine guns (mainly M1915s), effectively making it one of the earliest individual machine guns also. I'm not sure how much truth is behind that, though. Early semi-automatic rifles are awesome! I'd also love to see some videos of the General Liu rifle, the Japanese Type 5, and the Pedersen rifles (including the Japanese ones).

[@alfeovaldez8066]

, thank you for everything you do for the firearm community.

[@danieljob3184]

I love the way you explain things, especially why there is a glitch in the video!

[@siblilngs101]

makes you wonder the how big the boost in view count is after bf1. love your videos btw.

[@sebastiancorrales8773]

The Mexican Mondragon was the first practical semi-auto rifle in the world.

[@voltzz7499]

Mondragón was the best Mexican general he beat the American army when they try to cut Mexico in half to make a canal for ships .

[@suddenwall]

The man promises and delivers! Great video.

[@blankdaichi3655]

Isn't this the gun used for the anime "Youjo Senki"?

[@MeerkatWarrior11]

It is indeed the gun the Empire uses, glad I was not the only one to notice that.

[@azutard9839]

mexican tanya confirmed

[@subarunatsuki4145]

Indeed it is.

[@Kharmazov]

Over a 100 years and the thing still works, makes me wonder if 100 years from now people will be collecting functional antique smart phones;-)

[@TheRafark]

they will

[@Russianbro777]

Mondragon is a very fascinating Mexican Swiss creation.

[@garou701]

Thanks! For talking about the rifle mondragon

[@maxkronader5225]

This is a beautiful rifle from the time when firearms were poetry in hardwood and steel. Sadly, like many of its contemporary semi-auto rifles, its reliability in combat conditions fell short of the craftsmanship of its manufacture.

[@andresmora5192]

The "Mondragon" rifle is a Mexican rifle, it was the first semiautomatic rifle in the world .. 👌

[@TheCmondrag]

thanks so much for sharing the history of the Mondragon rifle. Being a Mondragon myself it would be awesome to own one someday!

[@233NATOMAN]

Excellent video again. Great to see these old guns in the flesh so to speek and understand how they functioned.

[@majalca03]

The emphasis on the word Mondragón goes on the last syllable (gón) when pronouncing.

[@madingo02]

Yeah I always thought it was pronounced as Mondra-góne

[@majalca03]

madingo02 Not exactly.

[@olirav00]

madingo02 Yes, like that

[@madingo02]

+Fremen Warrior how would you say then? Certainly not 'Mon-dragon'

[@majalca03]

The word Mondragon is correctly spelled Mondragón. The accent marks the syllable where the emphasis in pronunciation is done. Mon-dra-GON.

[@Zap_R0sdower]

In a different universe I could see this becoming as prolific as the M1 or M1A. Think about a second generation without all the outdated parts like the gas disconnects, you could have a more simplified charging handle without them. Maybe remove the redundant sets of lugs so its one less thing to get clogged with debris, or add some sort of dust cover. There's also plenty of room rear of the action to bring the sight closer to the shooters eye. Yeah I could see a world where these aren't so forgotten.

[@zacharyrollick6169]

Keeping the gas cutoff for rifle grenades might be a better idea.

[@stevengrotte2987]

If I understand correctly it took the USA Army about 25 years more to decide on a semi-auto rifle incredible.

[@jolujo5842]

Now that's a beautiful rifle! Wishing I had the funds to buy one. Thanks for showing it.

[@AP-ow4bz]

Did anyone else discover/binge watch this channel because of bf1?

[@barneystinson6331]

I'm guilty

[@shovellord1117]

Sam Phillips I started rewatching him.

[@E3E--]

No. I found this channel in 2014

[@LEEROY_UK]

Yes lol !!

[@mrnobody9193]

I didnt, I was always into ww2 guns owning a few myself including a type 14 nambu, but it's great people have discovered a great channel because of a period wargame, also look up the mud test videos the more for the AK fan boys that look down on the m16.

[@tigrehermano]

8:40 tells explicitly the name of the rifle: FUSIL Porfirio Diaz. Americans are afraid to call it like this because Porfirio knew Mexico needed advantage in firepower if the USA ever invaded again our land, so he developed many great things. Even machine guns were developed in Mexico, but money talks.......................

[@QuellicheilMarza]

Also, from the auction description, it's serial number 1. Pretty cool indeed. Thanks Ian

[@rasheverak]

Never let it be said that something cannot be both simple and overbuilt!

[@acidjazz4732]

good gun , and reference rifle tanya degurechaff - youjo senki

[@LJVolkov21]

Ian, let me just point out, I case you want to know: the name of that rifle (and the general) should be pronounced MondraGON. That's how it's done in Spanish. They never say MonDRAgon. And... Neuhausen is actually NOY-how-zen. I'm not trying to be annoying here, OK? :)

[@NoNameForMe_G]

I love the Mondragón, especially the Storm XD

[@hansyolo8277]

As someone who has, and is currently, playing Battlefield 1, and also a person who likes firearms, I can appreciate these guns and both real firearms, and as them being re-made in-game quite accurately.

[@sambroman543]

Things like these were not common during WW1, then?

[@ForgottenWeapons]

They were not used in WWII, with the exception of a couple dozen modified for aircraft use by the Germans.

[@MCG55555]

He asked about the First World War, not the Second.

[@nealcleaver9530]

MCG55555 probably a typo

[@jonhiggins2012]

From what I've learned weapons like these were expensive and hard to maintain, and so were not common. Please correct me if I am wrong, anyone.

[@viledagame6610]

it was hard to use in ww1 and also trench mud and dirt made gun useless and it stuck 2 much also germany had 1 million men fought but mondragon used by mostly 4000 men also germany had lots of gewerh 98 and karabiner 98's

[@revueltas28jr]

Quisiera preguntarte, tienes algún video donde dispares este rifle? English.. I want to ask You, do You have any video where You can fire this rifle?

[@ForgottenWeapons]

+revueltas28jr Not yet.

[@pablolezgar]

Ian dice en el mismo video que esa arma merece ser disparada, y yo estoy de acuerdo or for those that dont speak spanish: Ian himself says that that rifle deserves to be fired, and id agree

[@wobbenbuffet3286]

El rifle no tiene que ser protegido asi porque tiene mas de 100 anos (disculpas, my computadora es americana y no tiene la letra. Vamos a decir que tiene mas de cien culos). Hay muchas armas de esa epoca que se disparan en la misma calidad.

[@popcornfilms1]

Sorry to ask but how come its Quisiera? (I'm learning Spanish)

[@wobbenbuffet3286]

***** It means "i would like to" in one word

[@houndeye]

Wow! Thank You so much for this Video, I loved it! You guys really help preserve history for the future generations to observe in such a great way with your videos!

[@bluesunschurch8412]

i love how rifles from back in the day had non magnified sights that go up to 2000 meters, I know its because of volley fire. but its still silly to think, people from back then, has such good eyesight, they can hit hit targets from that far.

[@elegantebond3934]

MADE in MEXICO exactly. Mexico first TV a colour,firts condon, Mexico is amanzing. This rifle from WW1 to Vietnam are used.

[@TheAlexagius]

These were made in switzerland, the poor ammo manufacture in mexico resulted in this gun's failure in mexico

[@wero9208]

+TheAlexagius why you lie? mexicans made this an more things:v please stop watch EUA T.V.

[@wero9208]

+Wero 920 U.S.A T.V sorry haha is in spanish EUA

[@gangstaghostinspace]

+Wero 920 there's a difference between designed & made

[@TheAlexagius]

Wero 920 Not lies, facts, sorry to burst your bubble.

[@paconaco1969]

I just bought Mondragon rifle serial number 2356. The weapon is tight and operates smoothly What ammo and precautions do you recommend taking to fire the weapon?

[@ForgottenWeapons]

With any rifle this old and potentially fragile, you fire it at your own risk. If it were mine, I would use Prvi Partisan new-manufacture 7x57.

[@GoldHunter606]

Oscar Rangel Wew do not shoot that rifle mate

[@mantispsy3420]

Shooting the Mondragón with the drum mag would be awesome!!!! Viva México cabrones!!!

[@llpz8107]

GRACIAS A USTED POR HACER ESTE VIDEO. SALUDOS DESDE MEXICO.

[@milanjamza]

Make video about Hellriegel

[@ForgottenWeapons]

None actually exist.

[@milanjamza]

How about AT Rocket Gun?

[@Mildcat743]

Milan Jamza same story. I can tell youre from Battlefield 1, so im gonna tell you this, anything from BF1 he hasnt made a video on probably doesnt exist

[@mericle123]

did any ever exist or was it fabricated by DICE?

[@Mildcat743]

The Hellriegels were real, just very rare. I believe that they were observers guns in aircraft before fixed machine guns were placed for the observer in the plane

[@123say]

nice Mexico job

[@Xfighter04]

Saw this first on Battlefield 1 (2016). Gun sound is nice. You should listen to it there.

[@Zaku186]

That train at the end was great. lol

[@domestosbleach7557]

Bf1 anyone?

[@foduxy8586]

Yes "

[@leerose8628]

CODE NAME_ALPHA nein.

[@stefbakker3550]

what else

[@Scotlandsworstgamer]

my favourite weapon in bf1

[@zacharyzier314]

I was about to question how Swiss-built it was, then we got a closeup of the action, and the answer was a firm “yes”.

[@user-ix6jb1fs6v]

I miss Ian's old Public Access show intro. You know, now that I think about it, forgotten weapons is just the modern version of a good public access show.