The Guns of John Pedersen

John Pedersen was one of the more prolific and successful gun designers in American history, having even been described by John Moses Browning as "the greatest gun designer in the world". And yet, many people only know about Pedersen from his unsuccessful toggle-locked rifle or his WWI Pedersen Device that never saw action. In truth, Pedersen's work included a number of very successful sporting rifles and shotguns that many shooters would still recognize today. While looking through the guns at Rock Island on my most recent trip there, I realized that they had examples of virtually every one of Pedersen's guns - so I figured I should do an overview of the man's work.

[@CrescentGuard]

It almost sounds like John Pederson was a man doomed to be left behind. Pistol: "Eh, too late, should've gotten it done a year earlier." Pederson device: "Eh, should've gotten it done a year earlier." Military Rifle: "Sorry, Garand swooped in while you were tweaking your rifle."

[@allenmax8995]

how many talented people have been thwarted by......timing......its the way it goes

[@patrickslevin6424]

Yes, but he was in time for the very elegant M51 pistol. I have Colt Model M's and N's but nothing outshines the M51 in .380 cal.

[@bigtasty42069]

Ironically the Garand isn't even a good design, it's unreliable as fuck in dirty conditions

[@dudeinadoughboy4327]

@@bigtasty42069 Reading this hurts my soul as the proud owner of one, but I can't exactly argue with you, lol

[@guaporeturns9472]

@@bigtasty42069 Garand was not THAT bad. Wasn’t perfect but it wasn’t that bad.

[@erg0centric]

RIA: wasn't there a Pederson device on the table? Ian: i have no idea what you are talking about

[@alexsoklakov7454]

Hippity hoppity, this weird bolt-like-thingy is now Gun Jesus property

[@justinbiller6683]

someone must have threw it away

[@edm240b9]

The fact that someone like John Browning saying that Pederson was the most talented gun designer is really saying alot

[@DreddPirateRoberts]

I think he was just being modest.

[@30AndHatingIt]

@@DreddPirateRoberts Modest and just happened to have a name ready on the fly like that?

[@SuperFriendBFG]

@@DreddPirateRoberts I doubt it. I mean think about it. Browning was the one who was charged with refining Pederson's design. Obviously it was flawed and expensive, but I think Browning's statement is more a testament to Pederson's overall ingenuity in trying new things. For an Engineer, an expensive, unruly design that you can work off of to refine into an easily manufactured and streamlined design is a huge inspirational tool; at the very least.

[@weirdscience8341]

Browning invented the modern firearm as we know it i.e proper calibers and magazines and gas blow back an yada yada he is my hero and so is carlos hathcock

[@R0KURU]

@@weirdscience8341 Just watched a video on "White Feather." Can't wait to see what you do :p

[@RockIslandAuctionCompany]

"MMmmm... Contractual pie." 12:26

[@ChristianRB89]

Ian, I have to comment and say how absolutely wonderful it is to see every one of your videos. You are terrific at showcasing the item and explaining the relevant history from an objective point of view. Its a real joy to see any video from forgotten weapons pop up on youtube. - Greetings from Denmark :)

[@pkxpanz3r241]

+BikerRussell ive never seen 1 single negative comment on his videos, this really is an extraordinary channel, not only the very accurate history, but the in depth knowledge of the politics behind the weapons and of their time, and the mechanics and what went into making the firearms. i can "waste" hours upon hours watching Forgotten Weapons

[@jasondoe2596]

+PKx ANC1ENT Same here... and I don't even own guns!

[@boss350z5]

assuming you live in a free country... you should really change that... the only thing more fun than learning about guns, is actually handling and firing them! 😁😁😁

[@janm7163]

Terrific is a not good word, I'd rather say he's great. But yes I agrew

[@DaboooogA]

Jean Pierre Michael Wehry was right all along!

[@Bluith]

Dont know if that edit at the end of the Pedersen device was intentional but it was fabulous

[@RabidMortal1]

Bluith Thanks for pointing that out! I missed it the first time but it definitely looked intentional

[@abdullalla1]

Bluith It was probably intentional and it was simply genius.This is why i love the channel,the content of each video is absolutely amazing and educational,Ian explains everything about very interesting guns while he does that in a way that never bores you.Keep up the good work Ian!Cheers from Italy.

[@AldiDiarrheaWizard]

+Bluith It wasn't an edit Ian is a wizard

[@alexanderdewitt6803]

Shawn Eby Your a wizard Ian.

[@chancearden7803]

Well they don't call him Gun Jesus for nothing.

[@defaultusername123]

I have a Gamemaster 141 in .35 that was handed down by my great grandfather (like the second gun shown here). As well as a Remington Model 12-C (like the first gun shown here) Thank you Mr. Pederson for all the fantastic designs that have been passed down through the generations

[@milkapeismilky5464]

Literally read this as "The Guns of Jordan Peterson", at first.

[@book3100]

"Forgotten Weapons, eh? Guns that shouldn't be forgotten, that's a good way to think about it."

[@Oblithian]

Lol the man had quite the Pederson collection.

[@john__lemon]

They disappaeared *snap* God damn you got some swag.

[@papadoomguy7412]

"I don't feel so good.." He shoulda hid it under the table after the cut. Still made me laugh

[@sohomchatterjee]

This guy is definitely a time traveler

[@prodigy42013]

What was it ur talking about

[@anonymouscrab2013]

@@prodigy42013 8:08

[@DocM.]

@@anonymouscrab2013 I love it when people put the time stamp on something people are asking about to clarify 😁 thanks Crab!

[@ScreamingSturmovik]

Ian you said that the pistol was manufactured after world war two in 1918-1919 course you know that that's world war one so i guess that's a place for an annotation

[@codypainter3905]

ScreamingSturmovik some day a kid will stumble on this and ask what does he mean? Seriously though removing annotations was a stupid idea and I don’t understand the thought process.

[@InvidiousIgnoramus]

@@codypainter3905 KZbin has always removed the best features. Remember when you could have response videos directly linked below the video? Boy, what a fun feature that was.

[@Oblithian]

@@InvidiousIgnoramus User generated captions lol. Also all those random tags/buttons hahaha. But I miss the star ratings system almost as much as the annotations and creator links. Then they could link whatever at any point in their video.

[@mememan2404]

@@InvidiousIgnoramus Not a best feature but I enjoyed the little polls in the I tab and then youtube got rid of them

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

I'm thinking those wax-coated rounds would have been an issue in the Pacific or similar scorching climates.

[@kalskiratta8633]

Probably any extreme temperature area. From the desert to areas like Russia and Germany

[@taylordavison6849]

@@kalskiratta8633 Especially Tunisia.

[@weasle2904]

Ian shot with them, and they seemed resilient enough. They're a dry smooth pixie cup like coating

[@nathanjordan1782]

As long as it’s a high-melting round, it would excel in as damp an environment as the Pacific. It’s not actually that hot there, it’s just so humid that it feels like an oven mixed with a sauna

[@chrisreynolds3138]

If you already have I apologize for missing it, but you should make another video of this sort with the fire arms of John Browning, could be a very interesting, long video.

[@electrospank]

Amazing to think a life ending nearly 70 years ago, with such an impact in his time, yet very little evidence remains. Browning is visible all around us and to think of his respect for Pedersen is really something. Great video, Ian.

[@nickshadow2622]

My father bought me a used model 37 in 1962, I always been a great gun, and my 23 year old grandson covets it. He haggled the price, which in the end was $60.00, with 2 boxes of shells. The shells didn't last long. A stroll down memory lane for me. Thanks a bunch!

[@punchmo]

Grew up around the Ithaca 37. My Dad had one with a 30 inch barrel, full choke. It shot high right, so when we went to turkey shoots in the fall he always whispered to aim at the bottom left of the target. That method won a lot of shoots and we brought home a lot of meat, not counting what it killed in the field, from pheasants to deer.

[@GunWebsites]

good stuff

[@MrDoakster]

Good history lesson! Thanks

[@kylecollins1477]

My 22 pump like that is by far the most accurate gun I’ve ever shot and for not being cleaned or greased in generations it’s still surprisingly smooth operating

[@WhiskeyRiverRifleman]

I have a 1916 Model 14 in .35 Remington. its a takedown model. slickest action ever and very accurate. It has filled my freezer many times. I have a short video displaying it.

[@danieldetweiler1259]

The 1st time I ever heard of Pedersen was when I was in my early teens, it was in a great article in a gun book that was on the "Pedersen Device" n how it would have changed WW1..... It talked about how the Pedersen device's built were destroyed n few were ever salvaged. Now I can see the actual device on KZbin.... Mind you when I 1st read that article the Internet was strictly text based, no gifs or jpegs lmao nothing like today.... I love your videos

[@fs357mag]

Most educational (and enjoyable) 18 minutes I've spent in a long time. Thanks.

[@Cristian-nn5jj]

"Walk across no mans land, firing from the hip with a huge volume of fire" Wasn't the BAR designed for that too?

[@bad74maverick1]

yes, as was the thompson sub machine gun. Hence its nickname "Trench Broom"

[@yarus5889]

Yeah, but they didnt have that many bars. They did have a ton of bolt actions

[@TheCoffeehound]

Regarding the Pederson Device, my inner gun nerd is screaming "Um, actually" at this moment. The Pederson Device required a specially modified 1903 Springfield, which had an ejection port milled into the left side of the receiver. It also had a modified cutoff, sear and trigger. These specially modified Springfields were marked as "Model 1903 Mark I" on the receiver, and can be worth more than a standard 1903.

[@666toysoldier]

my father taught me to shoot with a well-used Model 12. The slightly modified Model 121 is, in my opinion, the finest .22 pump ever produced.

[@vassal11]

You should do more designer profiles. You could do company and "type" profiles also...

[@youtoob4life]

Fantastic video! Love the combo of history and actual footage of the firearm.

[@douglasfulmer5483]

I think a modern reproduction of the Pedersen toggle-lock action in .223 Remington w/ a detachable magazine, slightly refined, would be really cool. Do you think there is a way to need the cartridge lubricated?

[@MistahJigglah]

Just pointing out, A well tuned gallery gun is a very underrated thing indeed. Pump action, with a tube magazine, is kinda perfect for small rimfire cartridges. I'd love to see an accurate semi auto plinker/rabbit/squirrel rig in .25 or .32.

[@mathieugariepy2948]

A word of advice: Don't ever snap your fingers while holfing a loved one. Love your show.

[@Airforce1Gunny]

"Went into production right after WW2, 1918 or 1919"

[@SouthernerFloridain2006]

I was about to comment that error

[@barfingcoyote210]

Bow before the True Legend of Shotguns. ITHACA 37 !!!

[@taylordavison6849]

They still make them.

[@CocoKickz94]

I have one manufactured in '46. It's chambered in 16g and it's bottom ejection, my grandpa gave it to my dad and my dad gave it to me as it was my great grandfather's originally. That shotgun fed my family for 3 generations as ive only used it a few times for rabbits and squirrels, damn thing kicks like a mule.

[@techforhire7557]

Love the info, these are completely out of my price range and would be an absolute mismanagement of my limited firearms budget, but just to take in the history of it and admire the craft of the engineers and your sincere appreciation of them and these rare examples keeps me watching your videos religiously, thanks

[@jaroncreed]

Micheal Wiery has some DANGEROUS buddies

[@isaacramsay7889]

Imagine Wehry was trying to meet him at 11:20

[@norwester7018]

I just can't stop watching this channel!!! So much interesting history. Saginaw, the entityy that would go on to (to me anyway) be a name synonymous with power-steering boxes of all things, made guns for the US war effort??? Never knew that, fascinating...

[@bower31]

+Nor Wester (4Rescue) Frigidaire made some good machineguns too

[@norwester7018]

bower31 Oh the interesting history you learn... That was another gem, thanks.

[@chrisclark5204]

Saginaw steering gear had 2 plants, one in Saginaw and the other in Grand Rapids. I believe the Grand Rapids plant was originally the Irwin - Pederson facility.

[@jamessilberschlag1705]

And IBM made 1911's as part of the war effort. A far cry from typewriters, etc.

[@chrisclark5204]

@@jamessilberschlag1705 Didn't know IBM made 1911s, knew they made Carbines.

[@richarddixon7276]

Brilliant as always! You'd make a fortune on mainstream TV , get together with Othias from C&Rsenal and give the TV stars a run for their money . Well done & thank You Ian & the rest of Your Team !

[@richarddixon7276]

UK broadcast TV is ok but We don't much in the way of shooting sports , plenty of football etc. and a bit of fishing content interspersed with a liberal dose of motor sports but that's about it for what I thinks worth watching . @@upscaleshack

[@nogunk147]

Jean Wehry went looking for you at a sting house. Said you had a resurfacing job for him. He's in jail now 😔

[@j.m.8193]

I’ve got 2 model 37’s, and now I find them even more impressive. Thanks for the history lesson!

[@trynsurviven2440]

Just the firearms on the table would complete almost any collection. Those are very nice examples. Thanks for sharing.

[@jareds8176]

I have one of those .22 pump actions (a very similar one with a round barrel) and the only info on the rifle is "Keystone E.K., Tryon Co. 22., S,L&LR". I looked it up and what I found showed one of those rifles as a predecessor in the series, but I don't remember if it mentions Pedersen. Could my rifle be one of Pedersens designs or would it be someone else?

[@sharpeguns1]

Its crazy to think in a Country that's is so pro gun and a 2nd amendment. We are influinced by just a few great gun designers. I know there are others but we should have had 100s of browning and Pederson like designers. Nowadays with the ar15, we see so many new designs and accoutrements. Thank God for the Late Winchester, Browning, and Pederson's. The greats! I love History, and being a Machinist, Gunsmith I marvel at the Design aspects, Let History NOT be forgotten. Thank you Forgotten Weapons. Cannot stop watching. I have so many gun, ammo books.not yours yet, soon. I applaud you for the endeavor of publishing. Save our second with education

[@Hammeroftheirish]

Around the 5min mark, I think you mean "World War One" since you then say 1918, 1919. Great video though! Thank you so much for doing these!

[@TommyTarkov]

hey! wich was first model 51 or the russian makarov?

[@shaneharrison4775]

Yes I did I hadn't know that the 37 Ithaca was a sort of collaboration of browning and Pederson's being made by Ithaca gun company I've had 4 model 37s love them

[@timothyryan8753]

I think about a long time ago I was a gun collector

[@isaacramsay7889]

6 to 10 years ago?

[@eddiecaplan1908]

Back in the 80s, i bought a secondhand book, ^guns of the world^, printed early 70s, this was the first time i had heard of the pedersen device, very unusual and fascinating device,

[@TyCetto]

Thanks for this informative video! Learning every day! Now I can add another famous Dane to the list of outstanding people from our small country!

[@BucketPukes1969]

Danes are the most intelligent people in the world, of course he was ;)

[@TyCetto]

skeeter sorenson Have you seen the new breed of Danish politicians? They will put your remark to shame... Unfortunately Denmark is being overrun by politically correct morons and coward bedwetters looking for jobs in the public sector and none of these bastards are making anything of any value, except sucking the money out of the few left in the country, who in fact are making real value-added work.

[@mathew3267]

Is Pederson hiring? I know someone looking for construction work.

[@isaacramsay7889]

Did you ever do promotional photography for Kindergarten cop?

[@mathew3267]

@@isaacramsay7889 I haven't seen that movie since 1999.

[@isaacramsay7889]

@@mathew3267 I saw the movie. I know some people that have seen me with the movie.

[@razz339]

That semi-auto Springfield bolt is super interesting. I never knew anything about that. I wonder how well they worked in practice.

[@MrWizeazz]

@7:53 survived by basically people stealing them. That’s called tactically acquired. Lol

[@lordexmouth1217]

Strategically Transfer Equipment to Alternate Location

[@arkhaan7066]

It seems like Pedersons problem with military adoption was timing, a little to late to the party with his pistol design, and a little early with his rifle design (being a little more complicated)

[@dfadgsadfga1816]

Interesting I have a model 14 in 35 Remington. I always wondered what those groves on the magazine tube were for.

[@zendell37]

Was there anything known to be wrong with the Pederson Device? I figured they could have surplused those off for a cheap price since they were for a common rifle. Has there been anything else like that? Seems like a simple concept many other people could have come up with.

[@ForgottenWeapons]

+zendell37 They required non-trivial modification to the rifles, and people weren't really interested in that sort of device anyway.

[@zendell37]

Well that makes it far less appealing. And true, one would have to be in that time's mindset to think of those things. I often forget many veterans of earlier wars didn't want anything to do with guns after their service.

[@johnjay5331]

seems to me, had pedersen fluted the chambers a little bit on his delayed blowback rifle that it would have functioned like a hot knife through butter. a much easier solution than coating the cartridge cases, and who was saving the cases for reloading. after having seen you fire one in another video, i would really really really like to have one.

[@kevindunwoody8101]

Going to sleep every night forgotten weapons is part of my routine I wish I could pay you but I can't thank you so much. I Hope you see this Ian.

[@TheTarrMan]

I own a Model 10 (made in 1908) and it still works. I don't shoot it that often out of respect but it certainly is very interesting mechanically.

[@powaybob45]

I'd like to see a transcription of your commentaries on all of these rare weapons in book form. It would be a reference for the ages.

[@cameronfarslow1697]

Awesome video, really ties the whole history of Mr Pederson together!

[@Captain-Jinn]

I've always been a massive fan of John Pederson, always loved his weapons. Haven't seen a rifle he made that I haven't liked. I'd consider myself quite the pederphile.

[@isaacramsay7889]

I'm so much of a pederphile myself that I'm a promotional photographer for his weapons.

[@michaelhatfield3430]

I Love my Remington model 51's. I own three one in .32acp and two in .380acp. Two are in mint original condition and the other (.380) I found with barely any finish and no grips. It was in excellent mechanical condition so I had Robar give it a NP3 (Nickel Teflon) finish and got some walnut grips and it looks brand new. They are elegant little pistols. Too bad Remington dropped the ball when they tried to bring out a modern version. They should have stayed with the original design.

[@Insanabiliter_In_Linea]

God bless all the folks that decided to steal a Pedersen Device because they thought they were neat.

[@allenmax8995]

thank-you Ian! I have heard Pedersens name here and there over the years,never had the chance to drill down on my own....really great vid!

[@agekjrgardpayoutube2593]

16:42 “particularly noted for being left-hand friendly” I go target shooting with a Mossberg pump action 12ga (which is a right-hand design), and being left-eye dominant, I fire it from my left shoulder, and I have never had any problems resulting from the ejection of the shells. Therefore, I say pump actions, in general, are ambidextrous.

[@SnoopReddogg]

I remember seeing an ad in an old 1950/ 60s era Australian 'Outdoors' magazine for Vickers semi-automatic rifles along with other WW2 era surplus rifles. Assumed they were made in greater number?

[@nickalmond3240]

I have a model 12 passed down from my grandfather's grandfather and it's one of if not my favorite gun. Accurate, light, reliable and perfect for plinking and small game.

[@trav_adventures]

Thank you for this episode! I rather enjoy Pedersen's designs. I own a model 51. Very underappreciated handgun. It's unfortunate in his career his military firearms didn't get the run in numbers they deserved. Only if we knew what else he has thought of that we'll never see the light of day. Pedersen and Browning coukd only of put their mind together on a dedicated design. What a firearm that'll been. I also own an 12ga. Ithaca. By far my favorite shotgun.

[@35rem19]

The model 12 became the Model 121 and the Model 14 became the 141 in 1936. They didn't die.

[@starkindustries26]

The guns of John browning would be a 2 hour long video

[@danielguyton8976]

For people who've fired a Pedersen rifle, how distracting is that cam block when it pops up? It looks like it would snap up right near your face and obscure the sight. Does that throw off the aim on successive shots at all?

[@sandervanduren2779]

Daniel Maguire the thing snaps up and back down faster than you can really see. I doubt it would affect you all that much. A lot of people flinch or blink when shooting, so it probably would have the same effect

[@randymagnum143]

If it's in the scrap or garbage, it's fair game.

[@d3734]

Anyone else want to see a video on the original Remington Model 51? Apparently it has a unique locking/delay system that I think would be cool to see.

[@tennesseerifleman5250]

i hate how remington ruined the R 51 design the design should have never been messed with

[@Phixeon]

A fantastic look at an impoirtant part of the history of small-arms design. Well done!

[@Bigcheese1334]

I always wondered why the us military was interested in semi autos at a time when most major military powers were using bolt actions

[@roosevelt_asylum]

I’ve learned what the pederson device was on this channel, and since then I’ve been fascinated with it and the weapons that use it. Such an interesting design.

[@vassal11]

This makes it final. I'm growing a ponytail and telling everyone I know to call me Ian from this moment forward.

[@robertshoemaker6204]

Love my Ithaca model 37's...being a lefty....Ian great job as alway....thank you Shoe.

[@nicholaschriss1706]

4:40 1914 to 1918 is the first World War Ian

[@modwlego]

Is it just me, or does the .32 pistol look like a hammer less PPK/PP or PM/PMm?

[@AZBEEMR]

WW2 ? Oopsie!

[@WardenWolf]

Pedersen was very talented, but the honest truth is that none of his designs had longterm success. Whereas Browning's designs continue to be made over a century later, all of Pedersen's designs were out of production the 1950s. It's hard to argue that he was truly influential in any meaningful way.

[@thefunnynamehere266]

To get that kind of a complement from John Browning himself, wow.

[@sxleong]

Damn getting a praise from John M. Browning...

[@vuarjq6owh]

いくつもの名銃をご紹介頂き。 興味深く拝見しましたが、今、日本では鳥獣被害が深刻で、ご紹介の銃はいづれも、使用禁止のものが多いですね。害獣駆除には役に立たないものばかりです。

[@bobgarr6246]

I don't know, maybe it's just me, but most of Pedersons design work left A LOT to be desired. I would hardly say his was a collaborative effort with Browning on the M 37 shotgun. Now I admit this is a case of you should stick to what you know best . The rimfire and centerfire pump action rifles developed for Remington were outstanding achievements. As were his M 51 pistol. However, anything he developed for military trial submissions just plain stunk ! What was he thinking using the outdated Borchardt / Luger toggle lock concept and putting it in a semiautomatic centerfire rifle. And did he not have the experience and foresight to know that no matter how good his .277 cartridge was the U.S Army was NEVER going to drop and dispose of hundreds of millions of rounds of U.S cal. .30 M1 ammo and all the rifles, BAR's and heavy and light machineguns chambered for it. That toggle lock rifle was going to present a myriad of problems in real world combat use and I don't understand how he couldn't see this himself. Now the idea and concept of the Pederson device was noteworthy and was not a bad solution to the problem of increasing the infantryman's firepower while still allowing him to retain his .30 - 06's greater range and power. But considering that the majority of troops were issued 1917 Enfields and the Pederson device was made to fit and function in the 03 Springfield, I just don't see the logic in it. I think his talents were better suited to developing sporting arms for Remington.

[@americanpatriot2310]

Ian said after world war 2 but it was 1918 1919. . . and he daid that

[@karlwithak2535]

I really like how you did this video

[@joem2554]

Some fine designs with the Remington pumps. Very simple design.

[@ronaldjohnson1474]

The Remington Model 12 is a near perfect .22. Smooth, sccurate, flawless action. With no modifications, Remington could make a comeback.

[@johntaylor1310]

Great vid. A huge fan of the model 37. Never knew

[@taylordavison6849]

The Ithaca 37 was an interesting shotgun. They still make them, too.

[@nikkolaus]

4:43 - 4:47 - There's a WOOPS! moment...

[@slimeysalami]

nikkolaus noticed that haha

[@Jo_Kuiper]

@@slimeysalami Same here.

[@eta24]

Should of mentioned that the model 37 was capable of slamfire

[@Nitrogannex]

I am a proud owner of a Remington model 12C. It is the Nicest shooting .22 I have ever owned Got it from a neighbor for fixing his Heating www.imgeasy.com/?v=cMF2S.jpg

[@456eec]

I have a Model 12. Ingenious but simple interior design where the breech block locks into the top of the receiver and the firing pin also acts as the ejector. It feeds shorts, long and LR equally well and never malfunctions or fails to feed. Ian didn't mention that it is also a take down design as were a lot of .22 rifles in the first 3 decades of the 20th century.

[@marklaterza4455]

Browning was too complimentary. Those rifles where complex and required a lot of complex machining. Browning guns are simpler there for the manufacturers of them made more money. The pump guns are finely made and if you like wood and fine machining you will like those rifles.

[@weirdscience8341]

I know its not exactly anything to do with this video but how sweet are them fg42 replicas and the 45acp repro lugers definitely worth a look im not sure but i think the same company make the repro de lisle too whatever the company is called they can have all my money lol if i lived stateside id have all 3 and a k11 and a sharps 22.50 m4 type thingy

[@LN997-i8x]

I own a Model 10, and really like it, but it is one of the most annoying guns I own to disassemble (and I say this as someone who owns a Sjögren). The bolt is an absolute pain to take out and put back in. Also, god help you if you get a double feed.

[@bizzzzzzle]

I didn’t know model 10 was special, I still use one for pheasant that my grandpa gave me.

[@CocoKickz94]

That's pretty cool, I have a 16g Ithaca Mo. 37 bottom ejection, my grandpa gave my dad and my dad eventually gave to me.

[@LostShipMate]

Is it normal to have a hunting scene on the side of a Trench Gun? Did guns like that actually see combat, or is it a "reworked" Trapper gun?

[@Trumplican]

6:50 weaker than 9mm? Good thing the war ended that would have been pretty much useless.

[@johnplaid648]

Poor Pedersen. Stomped to death by Browning and Garand. Buried with the Armistice. Someone play taps.