The Pointless (and Dangerous) "Spetznaz" Makarov Holster

[@tdp2612]

Imagine rocking up to a firefight and instead of pulling it out your holster normally, you just pull your trousers down because your belt was a bit loose

[@rooster6461]

That might actually work, the enemy would be too busy laughing at you to do anything.

[@BartBe]

Underated comment

[@jimmyrustler8983]

Bringing a cock to a makarov fight, we've all done it.

[@Make-Asylums-Great-Again]

Never let them know your next move.

[@JohnHughesChampigny]

Your name is Billy Beltbuckles? (Edit: Damnit, otocorrekt changed "your" to "you're".)

[@Zach_Hazard]

There is a massive difference between “designed for the military” and “used by the military” and marketing pretends there isn’t.

[@astrotrek3534]

Woah Zach Hazard, love your videos! I think it's funny that military grade is such a marketing term since everyone I know who's been in the military says "military grade" means "cheapest possible option" lol

[@Dread_Not]

Can't wait for you to explain this thing to Mike someday!

[@948320z]

@@Dread_Not Mike will pretend (?) this is the best thing since sliced bread just to give Zach an aneurysm lol

[@Moonhermit-]

Not to mention that this is from the wacky world of Russian arms design, where "designed for the military" and even "used by the military" do not necessarily mean "is actually being used by soldiers" or "has been produced in numbers breaching the double digits".

[@KageMinowara]

You should do a rant about this concept with Mike.

[@f15htast1c]

"Automatic finish remover" got a chuckle out of me.

[@juliancantarelli]

At first I thought he was talking about Finland. Ian being Ian.

[@bosef1]

Perkele...

[@PPSH-Riley]

😂😂😂​@@bosef1

[@ozzyjames87]

Same here.

[@willj78]

I thought that was a PPSH joke

[@cactusmanbwl1990]

If being used in a "military/Police" role, my biggest fear is weapon retention. This holster looks flat out dangerous in that regard. There is literally nothing stopping an attacker from stealing your weapon from you.

[@filanfyretracker]

and making it ready to fire at the same time by cocking it and turning the safety off.

[@Tacti_cat]

"Ah, your weapon is primed and ready to be turned against you"

[@tlingitsoldier]

One potential advantage I see with this design in that scenario is that an attacker would likely try to pull instead of push. However, in a tussle like that, an attached isn't likely to give up when it doesn't budge by pulling one way and would try anything to get it out.

[@Bombskwad92]

Anybody can learn how the weapon retention systems work, it's not top secret information. Besides the most dangerous thing a cop deals with is themselves 😂

[@tethryss5001]

Holy fuck right?!

[@ronaldannas1935]

That holster is just like the thousands of products here marked, "as used by the military." I was in the military and do not 90% of those products being used by them.

[@NomadicHacker.]

"get your free military telescope"

[@lancerevell5979]

I always chuckle when I see an item advertised as "military spec" or "military style". Just an adspeak buzzword. 😅

[@shawnmiller4781]

And the other 10% was bought by the military and doesn't work

[@OptimusSledge]

What really puzzles me is who thinks the military gets the best of everything?

[@napatora]

​@@CapraObscurathis moron boomer i work with loves to brag about his "all milspec" AR lmao

[@AJadedLizard]

Oh, *this* thing. I remember that episode; they also determined a ballistic knife was more dangerous than the M9 or an E-tool.

[@ptonpc]

That show was silly on so many levels. I remember watching a couple of episodes and thing "What? Do they know about this thing called physics, or reality?"

[@LDB670]

You must have missed the ninja vs spartan episode. That was a classic

[@joe6167]

But now we see that Spetsnaz get mowed down in "meat wave" attacks just as good as any other Ivan or Boris... and that their level of training is closer to a typical US infantry man... compared to the rest of the Russian army, where the training is "first komrad takes rifle, sekond komrad takes bullets... ven first komrad dies, sekond komrad picks up rifle..."

[@lardomcfarty9866]

@@joe6167 you fell hard for the propaganda.

[@tylerwilliams6022]

​@@joe6167You just reminded me it's been a while since I've watched Enemy At The Gates. Suppose I should find my BluRay of it and watch this weekend.

[@nikoladonev4940]

Fun fact - in Bulgaria the law in the 2000s prohibited carrying with a loaded chamber and/or disengaged safety even signal pistols with gas rounds. This type of holster was presented as the solution. We had a lot of russian signal/pepper gas makarovs imported, so similar holsters were also popular. I would assume the situation has been very similar in Russia.

[@paranoiddaydreamer4370]

In China, the military and the police are required to carry their pistols unloaded, and that's because the Type 54 Tokarev was THE longest-serving and most-produced pistol in China (with over 23 million units and counting), and you definitely don't want to carry a Tokarev without a manual safety...Even though they have long replaced the Type 54 with the double-action QSZ92 and NP22 (a clone of the SIG P226) in most of the units, the Type 54 remained a common sight in their hands (especially in the Air Force and the reserve units), and they simply adopted the same principle for newer pistols. Although civilian ownership of pistols were banned, these holsters were actually quite popular as an LEO gear in the police, and they were quite happy about it. I have even seen videos where Chinese soldiers would rack the rear sight of their pistols on the heels of their boots to load the pistol, as some sort of a "tactical" technique...

[@_MadFox]

Ситуация в России запрещает даже смотреть в сторону оружия как такового... Даже полиция боится применять огнестрельное оружие из-за страха получить уголовное преследование за превышение необходимых мер по задержанию преступника. Какие уж тут кобуры у рядового гражданского...

[@alanfender123]

The biggest design flaw is that the holster doesn't pull the trigger to check that a round was actually chambered- there's no substitute for a pop check

[@Deyas786]

You ever done a desk pop before?

[@trustworthydan]

​@@Deyas786 DESK POP BABY.

[@FrankJmClarke]

I had one of those, it scratched up the finish. Of no practical use, agreed, but it did work as advertised.

[@WhiskyCardinalWes]

I saw this thing for the first time a couple of months ago. I was, and and still am, incredibly impressed! Incredibly impressed that people using this thing haven't pulled their own pants down.

[@wurfyy]

Some probably have.

[@vladimir945]

Aren't carrying a gun on your belt and wearing said belt loose enough to be able to pull your pants down without unbuckling sort of mutually exclusive?

[@wurfyy]

@@vladimir945 You could wear the belt loose enough that the gun provides like 90% of the force needed to pull the pants down, and then when you try to push it through the holster, you provide the rest.

[@ywe3]

@@wurfyy honestly i do believe this is meant to go with WEB gear so the belt is supported by the webbing.

[@wurfyy]

@@ywe3 It's meant to go on the belts of dumb people who will buy shit because it says "spetznas" on the box.

[@bennymountain1]

I was convinced that this type of holster was originally designed for Tokarev. That would also explain why there's a Makarov version, even if it makes no sense for this gun - because it was blindly adapted for it. But I'm not sure at this point.

[@Rogus_mtb]

Nope. The only reason fo existing this holster is legal restriction. In Russia, civillians (well, civillians can't own a standart handgun, but can buy a "less letal" version), police, security and, as I know, even army officers should carry handgun with empty chamber and engaged safety. It is dumb, but it is the law.

[@HellbirdIV]

The Tokarev and guns like it are definitely the only reason I can see for using something like this - for people who don't know the Tokarev has no safety whatsoever, so carrying it with an empty chamber is pretty reasonable.

[@lancerevell5979]

I'll keep my Colt M1911A1 thanks, carried "cocked&locked". Safe and legal in my state. Anything else is a clumsy club. 🤨

[@stevenbobbybills]

​@@lancerevell5979alright, grandpa...

[@neur0toxic]

@@stevenbobbybills real fuddposting hours

[@its_clean]

Even if we assume there is a legit justification for using this kind of holster in the first place, there are still two huge problems: 1. Reholstering. Unless you clear the chamber and safe the pistol every time, reholstering in the middle of an engagement means you're putting a chambered, probably cocked pistol into a holster with no trigger guard protection. 2. Retention. This is basically a free Makarov dispenser to any bystander who intentionally or even accidentally pushes down on the pistol grip.

[@hedgehog3180]

You could also just like fall over or bump into something that knocks the pistol out and now you've dropped a live pistol. It's almost as if the point of a holster is to ensure that you can't just drop your gun.

[@ywe3]

i can see a use for this style of holster for 2 kinds of people: 1. people who switch their EDCs like i switch my pants [FTR i never carry OIC but i practice the 'israeli method" religiously so my draw time isnt much worse than with OIC(TFBTV did a short demonstrating between the 2 states and found either to be acceptable)]. 2. people working behind a gated environment where retention may not be the biggest problem [tankers, desk, 2nd line etc].

[@anondimwit]

@@ywe3 "isreali method" Aka I have no business carrying a gun because I dont know how to be safe with it method

[@ywe3]

@@anondimwit wanna try it?

[@anondimwit]

@@ywe3 wanna try what, carrying like a person who shouldn't have access to guns?

[@Mimiaga0]

Is it dumb? Yeah. Is it dangerous? Yeah. But I just think it's neat.

[@peterreed3104]

neat like a hole in your foot

[@connorperrett9559]

The first rule of firearms is the rule of cool. The second rule is to have fun!

[@Sue_Me_Too]

I agree. I have one of these holsters for my mak. It's fun to play with (sans ammunition) but I never carry it out and about.

[@ratagris21]

Cool factor is to have one as part of the Makarov kit.

[@PPSH-Riley]

Facts same

[@kiloalphasierra]

There used to be a video of Sonny Puzikas running a AK class through the local equivalent of Gunsite’s Scrambler course. The bad part is there were cameramen visible down range when Puzikas did a demonstration run and you could see them running to get out of the line of fire as Puzikas shot. This holster seems right up his alley.

[@spoeny]

And he learned absolutely nothing from it, because in 2012 he accidentally shot another instructor three times during a CQB class where, if I remember correctly, he went "for one last round" in a shoot house without checking first that it was empty...

[@kiloalphasierra]

@@spoeny if I remember correctly, they set up a low light shoot house on the spur of the moment when he did that. After looking up the details, apparently he decided to do one more run after the last student and instructor had finished their run, but before they exited the building. Puzikas didn’t have a light on his rifle and shot the instructor who was standing in front of the target and missed the student.

[@spoeny]

@@kiloalphasierra Yeah, looks like the four firearms safety rules are there for a reason, they were paid for in blood. If you ignore them, there will be more blood... I amazed that he is still working as instructor.

[@forrestgumball]

Youre telling me this dude is still running around, getting paid to teach, blasting people on accident, and getting away with it? What an absolute CHAD!

[@d3nza482]

@@forrestgumball You misspelled TARD.

[@Smintjes]

Glad you made the analogy with the Serpa. Back when I was competing in Law Enforcement shooting competitions, the Serpa had just come out. So a police officer (street duty, basic 4 times a year firearms training) found it cool to "'wear the same holster as the SEALs", and promptly shot himself in the leg and foot.

[@AJStrebeck]

Probably about the same time I was working as a pistol instructor and the range I primarily worked banned them for competitions after a dude shot through the pocket of the shorts he was wearing. No blood, but when he drew and immediately fired he went limp and dropped to the ground and we all thought that he had shot himself. So yeah, it could have been so much worse but that was the end for the Serpa. I think I still have a couple of them tucked away in a box somewhere as novelty items however.

[@timd729]

​@@AJStrebeck would you be willing to sell one for cheap? I don't want to use it just want to keep in glass case with some unusual gun stuff, cheP Saturday night specials, old WW2 worn out accessories, retired old guns.

[@gregjokonis1776]

He had more problems than using a Serpa holster. In all the years using one and being around hundreds more who used it, never saw a negligent discharge due to that holster.

[@chrisjones6002]

The complete lack of retention really bothers me too. It's an open carry holster that you could easily take the gun from during a struggle. Most gun retention training you are taught to push your gun down into the holster with your dominant hand to keep them from taking it.

[@ywe3]

in theory if youre doing so with this holster you could USE the gun on the would be attacker quicker...in theory...

[@MatoVuc]

It's amazing how badly all that content from 2005 to 2013 has aged. Deadliest warrior, Future weapons and all that stuff... Makes me feel old that i remember it

[@chazramirez6002]

I'll never forget the Ranger vs the NKSF. They gave the NK the win in the shoot house portion because the AK "just has that big ol bullet" even though the Ranger cleared the shoot house faster with more rounds on target using a 6.8spc

[@MatoVuc]

@@chazramirez6002 wasn't it SWAT that ran 6.8?

[@chazramirez6002]

@@MatoVuc I'm sure they did it too, it was a hot new round at the time, but iirc this was when that single ranger unit was actively doing trials for a 6.8

[@chazramirez6002]

@@MatoVuc great now I have to go back and watch it again so I can un-mandela myself. I would have bet money on it.

[@ev6558]

I remember watching that show and thinking that these guys had no idea wtf they were talking about but my buddies liked it and "What, you think you know more than they do, bro?" It was so obvious they just came to whatever conclusions they felt like or whatever they thought was cooler instead of any kind of real criteria.

[@tessleuthLive]

Russian law permits civilians owning and carrying non-lethal versions of pistols i.e. with rubber bullets. And the law directs that you can only carry it with safety on and unchambered, which is not very ideal in a situation when you're being attacked, especially if you don't train your drills often. Non-lethal makarovs were extremely popular among civilians (and still are, but to a lesser extent), so my guess would be that this holster was rather oriented for civilian market and serves as a loophole, than being a piece of "spetsnaz gear"

[@willcresson8776]

See, that actually makes a lot more sense.

[@georgelstuart]

My Mak was my first pistol... Bulgarian brand new back in like 92. Carried it quite a bit. When this holster first got publicized I was very interested in it, but luckily it was unobtanium. So I dodged that mistake.

[@christopherhall5361]

When I saw the video about the Makarov giveaway, I thought of that Deadliest Warrior episode, it's hilarious to me that you made a video on the holster and brought that up immediately

[@johnkilcer]

I carried a feg pa63 for years until i got the new cheetah. Can confirm this holster is unnecessary. The feg and mak's are plenty safe in DA hammer down

[@jfangm]

Same with the Vz 82

[@martonpapp269]

My grandfather used a FÉG PA-63 during his time in the Hungarian People's Army.

[@watchface6836]

Have you found a good iwb holster for the cheetah yet? I've been looking for one.

[@johnkilcer]

@@watchface6836 i have a very old galco sto472. It works pretty good but im not sure how a brand new one would do being softer. Its not perfect but it is plenty good for me. Rides high. Ill make a video.

[@BudroThePious]

Thanks for explaining why the holster is dangerous instead of just useless.

[@lostalone9320]

Worth noting that this is a holster that (nominally) would be used in Russia, where it is very cold. If you are wearing gloves, the holster will snatch at the material and also probably not release the gun, so that's a problem. And if there is snow/moisture around then the grip will probably be slippery, so there's a non-zero possibility that it'll jump out of your hand as you push it down through the holster. Oh and also... Having a special holster just for special forces which advertises "I'm a special forces dude" is not a great idea.

[@deknegt]

It's basically a Russia tacticool accessory for the wannabe commando rather than the actual commandos who are trained enough to not need a gimmick holster.

[@Fred_the_1996]

@@deknegt pretty much

[@jimmyrustler8983]

​@@deknegtA Mallski ninja, if yoyu will.

[@lancerevell5979]

Yep, no good Mall Ninja will be without one. And you know Glockboy wants one, to attach to his tactical wheelbarrow! 😂

[@Myronsjet]

Well in Moscow or in St. Petersburg if you are man you are walking without gloves at winter bc city produces lots of heat and buildings catch winds. It's warm enough for a male. Anybody outside of mega-cities and probably southern cossack/caucasus lands is simply not their buyer (of stupid stuff for pistols).

[@wasnt.here.3853]

I saw that original episode of deadliest warrior when it aired and this holster has been on my mind ever since! I truly think about this device regularly ever since then.

[@bjrnegillarsen1380]

Seems about as safe as carry a single-action revolver with all chambers loaded and fully cocked...

[@PotatoeJoe69]

Carrying a single action with a full cylinder isn't as dangerous as it's made out to be. In fact... it isn't any more dangerous than carrying a semi auto with one in the chamber. People can come up with a billion hypothetical reasons why it's 'dangerous', but they are not actually reasonable reasons. They're hysterical nonsense. "But if yuh draw the gun, it flings out of yer' hand, does 7 cartwheels and lands perfectly on the hammer spur, IT COULD FIRE! OOOOH spooky dangerous

[@joeymobb8438]

Ah yes, the famous “Baldwin Carry Method”.

[@KillyBilly141]

@@PotatoeJoe69 well an accident does not happen until it happens. predicting these is based on hypothetical scenarios. basic gun safety has nothing to do with hysterical reasons. also nobody is 100% in the moment and minimizing risk of injuries for oneself and the people around one is one of the responsibilities every gun owner should highly respect.

[@PotatoeJoe69]

@@MikeHoncho0811 This shits ridiculous. You can make the same exact argument for every pistol with a safety. "Better hope the mechanism isn't worn!"

[@witzeto150]

@@PotatoeJoe69 I’m all for safety, but some fudds make me want to die

[@travelingspartan2035]

I remember seeing this on that show and thinking it was the coolest pistol ever. Then I learned how guns work and realized you could carry with one in the chamber and not every pistol needs a manual safety.

[@georgecothran4760]

I love my Makarov, I got it in 94 for 200 dollarsI. Then later an sks for 1 day of trade labor. It took a long time to get even 95% of the cosmoline out of it. And all parts serial numbers match. My Makarov was imported by Big Bear Arms in Texas. I almost forgot, right after I got my Mak I bought some nice rubber grips, I love em.

[@bobhill3941]

Thanks for the in-depth review Ian, I only remember this from that Deadliest Warrior episode.

[@toastycarpet9873]

I do think being able to push down rather than pull the pistol out is neat because theoretically, you could have the pistol pretty high up and still easily unholster the pistol.

[@toastycarpet9873]

It also would remove the issue of interference with a plate carrier

[@tverdislavrolensky3597]

I know I've seen another military holster with a push down feature. It was leather and just held together with button snaps. I can't recall what pistol it was for at the moment

[@toastycarpet9873]

@@tverdislavrolensky3597 actually sounds kinda dope

[@simplydarkhalf3974]

I haven't watched deadliest warrior in sooo long. Thank you for reminding me about it, I'll have something to binge watch after this xD

[@Sightbain.]

Nothing in Russia is dangerous, you just need to lack any awareness of self preservation or consequences for actions during the design phase.

[@GimpyChinaman]

"Die today, die tomorrow, or die in 100 years... any way, we all die."

[@krissteel4074]

You can tell spetznaz veterans by the limp

[@hungryburger1170]

That explains why the disassembly of the AN-94 requires smacking it on a table.

[@wiryantirta]

if only darwinism could thin their numbers more. like even more than what they're doing in ukraine.

[@Clyde__Frog]

@@krissteel4074'My knee aches, every single day. Twice as bad in the Winter.'

[@VeryDeadZone]

Probably the first time ive commented, but ive been watching this channel for years, great to see it grow the way it has. A sibling of mine got a makarov about 12 years ago, its a great shooter and reliable. my only complaint would be the minor trigger slap and relative infrequency of finding ammo in stores. it was a bulgarian made model. ive always appreciated the design, good looking gun in my opinion.

[@BrandonDoran00]

I've always been fascinated by the concept of the "Spetznaz" holster, never understood how it works, but always found it dangerous and stupid.

[@Sue_Me_Too]

The legend I've heard is that the Makarov isn't drop safe with a round in the chamber.

[@Ukraineaissance2014]

Russian spetznaz is just a farce, they base their equipment and tactical choices on steven segal films. Im talking throwing knives and ninja stars ffs.

[@MorbidEel]

Seems very similar to the "ninja sword"

[@krebgurfson5732]

how could you think it was dangerous and stupid if you didn't even know how it worked

[@Sue_Me_Too]

@@krebgurfson5732 the exposed trigger sticks out (pun intended). You don't need to understand the internal mechanical features to spot an external safety issue.

[@BlokeontheRange]

And doesn't even do what it's supposed to do if you're sitting down, e.g. in a vehicle, lol... No wonder Our Sonny P loved it! 🤣

[@GeFlixes]

Another reason to carry chamber empty would be in situations where you constantly need to clear your gun. Think military bases. You'd still need to run the drill, but at least you're not constantly ejecting and reloading the chambered cartridge. Marginal utility still, plus the holster is dangerous...

[@bongwatercrocodile315]

i'd rather have a better conventional holster and just carry on empty at that point

[@discerningscoundrel3055]

@@bongwatercrocodile315 InRange looked at this, and found that it's just as quick to draw and rack the slide as it is to use this holster

[@boogiemaps859]

love the makarov content

[@jero37]

First place I heard of this holster was in Neal Stephenson's Ream De which featured a Russian Mercenary who had one. I feel like that's a bit classier than "Deadliest Warrior."

[@punishedsnake492]

It is not useless. In Russia, if you have a carry permit(meaning you are either military/police or private security) you are not allowed to carry with a loaded chamber. Even with safety on. It is a felony to carry any firearm with a loaded chamber. Firearms can be chambered strictly RIGHT BEFORE you are going to use it.

[@RSUTest]

Shhh, don't say that. Buy a 50 bucks mug instead from some American scammer. I'm curious tho, I've read that such regulations developed from the peculiarities of the Tokarev, they simply kept them even with the Makarov in widespread service? (It makes senses considering how the Tokarev functions, but I can understand that regulations do not evolve as firearms do).

[@SteelPaladin1997]

So the use case Ian explicitly talks about at 2:10?

[@felixchaus]

I've seen that in a video about this type of holster. There is no exceptions about the rule: safety on, empty chamber.

[@xSintex]

"Some american scammer" = biggest gun history show on youtube. You're an idiot, lol. And he isn't wrong, it is useless in the scenario he's tlaking about (owning it in the US).@@RSUTest

[@andrewstraub131]

Train better , this is absolutely stupid and dangerous and the lack of retention is yet another reason this would get you killed this is a party trick not a holster

[@ekim000]

That holster makes a Serpa seem bank vault safe by comparison.

[@rff999]

😂 if you do anything like rolling around that might get something behind the serpa button to block it… it is bank vault safe!

[@easter3000]

As Ian mentioned situation for such holster is - you need carry gun without round in the chamber and with engaged safety. And it is exactly what is legally required for at least civilians in Russia, even if pistols and revolvers are practically banned for civilians (we can legally fairly easy obtain and carry only traumatic pistols and revolvers).

[@CheapCreep]

A holster that doesn't cover the trigger? Genius.

[@blackhawk65589]

Extremely common in the 60's-90's with double action revolvers

[@maxwellingtonperez4882]

I mean the idea is to carry in condition zero so

[@newshaman7251]

I carry an old Kel tec P11 where the safety is the trigger. It’s all about being careful. I used to carry a fully loaded revolver with no safety in my pocket for decades. Nothing went wrong, but after seeing what can happen, I have taken more precautions.

[@CGR89]

The ultimate hardware solution for a software problem

[@Jesses001]

And that is why you should always only comment at the end of a video. I was just about to comment about the Tokarev pistol being a good option for this. I really like the Tokarev pistol, but there is just no good way to carry it. Almost as if they just did not finish it. It needs a decocker with a double action trigger, or at least a decent safety.

[@gus.smedstad]

Last week: “The Makarov has all sorts of features designed to prevent green troops from shooting themselves in the leg.” EFA: Let’s find a new way for green users to shoot themselves.

[@Zack_Wester]

that holster was to be issued to none green users. so a bit moot but as Setznas could be send in undercover (think marvel movies where the superhero needs to hide so they just drape a cloth around them) kind of deal. in that situation sure could be useful.

[@johnpmchappell]

@@Zack_Wester Only in your fever dreams, mate. Spetznaz carry decent equipment, and are not "undercover" type operators. This was never issued to them, and we can all but guarantee never used by them. It's a solution looking for a problem, or more accurately, a product preying on the ignorant and naive. It has some slight justification within Russia, but even that is weak. It's a commercial product, it was never issued to anyone.

[@kirbyis4ever]

​@@Zack_WesterLast I checked Spetznas go in loud and with gear (so they can actually accomplish something) instead of sending someone in with an obvious pistol on their hip to get shot and killed.

[@deauthorsadeptus6920]

​@@kirbyis4everYeah, they do none of this shit. After all it is police/fsb job, not an active military.

[@brianbarker2551]

That was the first place I went "Oh, like on Deadliest Warrior". Hm, tv lies to us.

[@dissociativealeks]

Me pantsing myself 0.001 seconds into the course after slingin it down too hard in some sweats

[@99Racker]

Thanks for clarification on the reasons I never bought one of these holsters in the past for my Maks. Good presentation.

[@SMURFF707]

Yeah they’re still cool but pointless…

[@bamabluesman]

I had a Makarov with adjustable sights but made in Russia by Baikal. I carried it with a round in chamber but I noticed the firing pin left a mark on the primer of that round so I quit carrying it or carried with an empty chamber. Also it did not feel hollow points very well so I had someone file down the feed ramp a little and that worked. Fairly accurate gun but I have swapped to something more modern in 9mmx19. Interesting video and weird holster idea.

[@Schrodingers_kid]

Why would you need a hollow point 9x18...?

[@minilathemayhem]

Primer dimpling is surprisingly common in guns with floating firing pins (quick google search says the Makarov has a floating firing pin). As long as you keep the gun clean and the firing pin free of debris, the gun is safe to carry with one in the chamber. (Obviously, if you don't trust yourself to get everything so clean you can eat off of it, or want to be extra safe just in case, there's nothing wrong with carrying without one in the chamber, it just reduces readiness slightly in a situation where you might need the gun)

[@Schrodingers_kid]

@@minilathemayhem There is literally no reason to carry one in the chamber, because you're now more likely to shoot yourself with the gun than get in a firefight (unless you're an arsehole and try to get in one on purpose)

[@cameronlamb7274]

@@Schrodingers_kidso you don’t get over penetration and dump as much energy as possible into an attacker.

[@minilathemayhem]

@@Schrodingers_kid ... Literally what sort of nonsensical fuddlore are you spewing lol. I'm assuming you're not American on account of you using the word "arse". See, over here in the US, we carry guns with a round in the chamber because we're actually taught how to use firearms safely. A gun isn't going to randomly fire while it's in your holster unless you're not using the appropriate holster for your gun.

[@TheMrGunmann]

As someone who has ben through the military: I can definitely say that a "Safety always on. No bullet in chamber" policy is very sensible. Humans make mistakes, people who are in the military make more mistakes because they are under stress and often sleep deprived. In special forces people make even more mistakes, at least during training and longer repetition drills, because when the grunt is being fucked and tired - special forces are done roughly one third. Additionally the racking of a weapon pointed at you is a powerful psychological force. Obviously this won't help if you are in an active combat zone. However, on guard duty this may very well discourage someone from doing something stupid.

[@alexmoore1506]

Another reason I won’t join the military

[@ФилиппЛыков-д8е]

What this thing reminds me of is the power holster with its (dedicated and very unsafe) cord-attached pistol from Harry Harrison's "Deathworld". This one surely does not make the gun jump right into the hand but the overall idea is the same.

[@DeliberateZero]

It makes me think of the holsters from Battlestar Galactica, where they're just a tube with a slit running up the side. Instead of pulling your laser pistol out the way it went in, this lets you slip the barrel out sideways, through the slit. It's a really cool idea that stuck with me, but the BSG holster never looked any faster or more practical than a conventional design.

[@jacksonlefteye]

yea the short from the militaryarmschannel guy caught me yesterday, i'm not much of a gun guy and both the fact that it looks like an ideal way to shoot yourself in the foot and how bulky and uncomfortable it looked caught my eye, i'm glad you followed up so quickly to point out the obvious

[@blakemueller5899]

I think this also has some applications for people with only one hand. I imagine it is quite difficult to chamber a round with just one hand

[@ForgottenWeapons]

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[@Ogrethephreak]

That's what revolvers are for

[@jdinnis]

I had heard of these, but never seen one before. I definitely agree about the comparison with the Sherpa. Properly used, they can be a safe holster, but the opportunity for operator error is quite high.

[@regular_user9886]

This "thing" (cant call this a holster) reminded me of a character from the movie " Zhmurki" his name is Simon, and he had two makarovs hidden in the sleeves of his shirt, that would jump out into his hands via a springed harness. Its pretty cool

[@__-zm5wr]

I think there were two walthers. But, yeah, funny device.

[@PTemnikov]

You forgot about Taxi Driver (1976)

[@MrKotBonifacy]

This gives totally new dimension to that "no risk, no fun" saying... ;-)

[@lanedexter6303]

Wow. Col. Cooper described the double action pistol as “an ingenious solution to a nonexistent problem.” That phrase just bubbled to the surface of my memory after seeing this holster.😄

[@georgros4199]

This holster is designed for police officers, in particular the criminal investigation department. They do not carry a gun on their belt, but just below the ribs, so extracting "up" is not the most convenient. You can compare this holster with the so-called "operational holsters" (оперативная кобура) The holster is worn under clothing during investigative activities, so it is not so easy to notice it for civilians and suspects. Although it is certainly much larger than the employees would like. As far as I know, in some situations it was forbidden to carry a pistol with cartridges in the chamber In any case, they have not been widely used, while still it is incorrect to ignore the fact that they were used in Russia.

[@georgros4199]

honestly I was surprised that you dosent check this before making a video.

[@greymane1994]

Does this holster also risk you being more easily disarmed and having the weapon used on you? I mean they’d have to get close but like if all they have to do to shoot you is grab, slide, point and shoot, it wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility, right?

[@MediumRareOpinions]

Considering the grip and trigger are exposed if someone gets behind the wearer without being noticed that seems like a huge risk to me.

[@kantetoast]

Also great for opponents/dumb people to safely get a loaded pistol with one quick move off your hip :) if the holster tends to turn legwards around the attachment point, a leg hit comes free with almost every stolen makarov

[@darkhorse3535]

I think it‘s a cool idea, but definitely dangerous when you really think about it

[@SavageGerbil]

Glad to see this one hit the channel. In my opinion, it's one of the best bad ideas of all time Really can't see how anyone would think this is faster. There's a couple of reasons for it, but when I'm giving instruction, I correct people that draw over the target and come back down. Thrusting a pistol down to your knee, and then coming back up? Pretty sure we're not gonna be seeing Miculek switch up

[@godzilla1463]

I like how Ian is giving us multiple videos on one gun showing its history and how it can be used practically.

[@wurfyy]

Well, he does this for all the guns that are involved in that borderline-scam partnership he's advertising.

[@godzilla1463]

@@wurfyytrue, but I like the multiple vids nonetheless

[@vert7871]

My dad got one of these back in 2010 or so for next to nothing, stout little guns and extremely accurate to boot!

[@tufab3494]

I'm sure that the guy who designed this felt like a genius 😂

[@geodkyt]

I'm sure he cries every time he gets behind the wheel.of his BMW that sales paid for. 😂

[@tufab3494]

@@geodkyt it would surprise me if this thing sold good enough for him to buy a BMW

[@UlookinMe]

As someone who’s had to come up with “solutions” in and out of the military in a similar vein, I’m sure the guy who made this thought it was stupid and the guy who asked him was a dumbass. But he went “whatever” did it promptly moved on lol.

[@dominuslogik484]

@@UlookinMe kinda like the forward assist on the M16/M4? lol the Jam enhancer that makes a 5 second jam into a 5 hour trip for repair/maintenance.

[@DelGTAGrndrs]

@@dominuslogik484sounds like a you issue. And I’m an AK guy

[@HeavyMettaloid]

I was just thinking about that show and this holster the other day after the first Makarov video

[@savage2022]

I like this holster they should keep this in service. Only benefits our troops.

[@useruseruseruser4K]

План Даллеса в действии, совки сами отстрелили себе ноги в итоге развала 😅

[@acynecki]

i remember seeing this holster on that show you clipped but never being able to actually find one. Makes more sense now

[@IVIaskerade]

Also even if this _was_ useful for concealed carry... how are you concealing a holster in a way that you can push the gun through it and have it out and ready in a way that's faster than just drawing the gun and racking the slide?

[@Cakesadamant]

Only thing I can think of is a chest harness or maybe even in the armpit... but we all know how that woupd probably turn out

[@doug7948]

Brandon herrera: This is cool! Ian: No.

[@darthhodges]

I wonder how bad you would jam it up if you tried to push through with a round already chambered. The holster covers the ejection port so obviously it would interfere with ejection but would it be an easy fix or a difficult one?

[@ForgottenWeapons]

There is a hole in the holster specifically to allowed a chambered round to eject, so it wouldn't be a problems at all. Sorry, I should have pointed that out in the video.

[@mort6913]

I was dazzled by this holster as presented on that TV program years ago. Consider me now undazzled. 😄

[@armorer94]

There was a similar holster for glocks that was marketed to law enforcement in the early 2000's.

[@bsimon9427]

i've had one of these for 10+ years and carried it for giggles many times because its an eye catcher and conversation starter. never had one problem drawing it. didnt "train myself" how to use it by practicing a draw. it comes down to basic firearms training when drawing a pistol as accidents can happen with any holster. my gun club has a zero draw from a holster rule because of idiots not knowing how to use a holster properly.

[@alexmoore1506]

Remind me to stay away from your club

[@bsimon9427]

@@alexmoore1506 i stay away from it myself half the time. i get there when it opens and as soon as the first person arrives on the range i leave. its a very unsafe environment for multiple reasons.

[@Swindle1984]

This was made and marketed in an era when you could sell just about any goofy gimmick by saying it was Spetsnaz or Israeli.

[@conspiracyscholor7866]

I miss the days of Asiatic novelty. Karate, Kung fu, mysterious "herbs" that were just scented oregano, kooky looking knives sold to kids in the flea markets...

[@TheFps12]

I have a Mak in pristine condition I found for $300 at a pawn shop. Then I ordered this holster cause I thought it was neat. Mostly novelty at this point since there are way better options out there and better more practical ways to carry. Played it with for a while at the range and showed it off to friends. Now its mostly just for a matched accessory for the Mak.

[@Goalie171]

A lot of people don't know this but spetznaz pistols are free, you can just grab them out of the holster. I have 30 spetznaz makarovs at home

[@KC-bg1th]

Deadliest Warrior was my favourite 'My dad is stronger than your dad' show ever.

[@Mr.Z1989]

The true question is: Did Ian pick up the one dropped round?

[@kevinmccusker1866]

Bound to at todays prices.😅

[@6thmichcav262]

On my mind as soon as he ejected it!

[@mannycuellar7426]

👍👏 that’s where I saw that holster too. Loved that show

[@shortyyazzie]

I've always thought that holster was kind of cool but I've always wondered what the point was, the Makarov always seemed to me to be a very safe pistol to carry.

[@davidmeehan4486]

Thank you. I saw that "Deadliest Warrior" episode years ago, and every now and again I have thought about this holster and wondered what the point was. It seems disadvantageous, since I carry a double-action pistol with a round chambered. So, using this holster means I'm sacrificing one round of ammo capacity. Also, imagine you draw your pistol, but then reholster it with a round chambered. Now, you have a "hot" weapon with the trigger exposed.

[@aukword6255]

Could it be converted to be a handy carry for a carrot in case you need a quick healthy snack?

[@zach5057]

I remember watching that deadliest warrior stuff and thought a huge chunk of it was cool as a young teen but made by people who were clueless. Never thought to question the holster goofiness. I would love to see more stuff combing over mistakes in media with these niche historical weapons/gear.

[@BraveRock]

I believe a version of this gun was also in Neal Stephenson’s book REAMDE. It sounded way cooler in that piece of fiction.

[@5n4k3d0rk]

That's how I heard about it and when I got interested in the holster. I would swear that the version in the book was a shoulder holster tho

[@BraveRock]

@@5n4k3d0rknow that you mention the shoulder holster, I think you are right! I had forgotten that detail.

[@GunDrummer]

I carry this every day just to keep things interesting

[@dillonc7955]

There needs to be alternate reality where SIG makes this for the P320...

[@trapperjohn6089]

You don’t need it. You could just use a wire brush to destroy the finish on your P3 20.

[@ToolsandTime]

Interesting idea for a holster. The implementation and practicality is where the questions begin--cool video.

[@juliocastro2588]

I was with the georgian russians in iraq, they carried makarovs they were always having negligent discharges left and right, and for some reason they were fascinated by my government issued browning hi power side arm

[@JB-fj6kc]

Russian police, including SOBR and OMON typically do in fact carry their pistols with the chamber empty. From what I understand, those old school leather flap holsters are still the standard issue holster, even for specialized units like the two I mentioned. Many operators purchase after market holsters that are more practical, kydex holsters are becoming increasingly popular, I'm sure before kydex holsters hit the market these EFA holsters were used by some guys in place of the super untactical leather flap holster.

[@quasar8898]

Years ago, I was looking to add to my collection by buying some used firearms. One of my stops was a local Gander Mountain- as they had a large selection of used stuff ( All "Inspected by a Trained Gunsmith"). After looking over the display cases, I asked to see a Makarov. The Clerk got it from the case, worked the slide- and the pistol fell apart, into many pieces.LOL. I left.

[@hiltonian_1260]

As soon as I understood the design I instantly thought: “outside of the calf, projecting ankle bone, or heel is going to get it.”

[@jonwinfield9193]

Pretty sure this comes from the myth that the Makarov isn't drop safe/not safe to carry with a round in the chamber because it has a free floating firing pin completely ignoring the notorious primer hardness of Russian ammo.

[@minilathemayhem]

Yeah, similar happens with the AR-15. The free floating firing pin can dimple the primer, and because it dimples the primer, people get concerned and think that means it's striking hard enough to set off the primer (even though it hasn't set off a primer yet). The only time it's really a problem is if you've got a lot of debris preventing the firing pin from moving and its stuck in a position where the firing pin is past the breech face, which I feel like would only happen if you've absolutely never cleaned the gun, and honestly, that would be a problem even with a spring on the firing pin.

[@Scorched-ww2nf]

Thanks for the info. 1.Maybe a CAD drawing and a Wider part to cover trigger, forcing the trigger finger to be straight?. 2.Or just the safety Latch, no slide manipulation along with flap covering trigger? ( I'm sure it wouldn't be faster for Spetsnaz but for us common Un-Practicing Folk, Would it be better?) Hmmm. Please comment with your opinions. 3. Also, what would it take to run .380 in a Makarov? Different Barrel and Magazine?

[@almostghosts]

It’s so dumb. I want one.

[@wraithwyvern528]

I've heard that the point of this holster was for times where the user were legally or policy-required to carry with an empty chamber which is also apparently the only logical use of the thing even though it would be wiser to get rid of that restriction in the first place.

[@ianloughney9570]

"Unlike the Israeli's, Spetznaz guys are actually reasonably well trained" Lol, damn Ian throwing some shade, we love to see it.

[@Marc83Aus]

I mean the Israelis needed to have a bottle opener put onto their rifles so they wouldnt damage their magazines opening beers with them.

[@markfergerson2145]

Next on Forgotten Weapons Accessories, the Elbonian rifle strap guaranteed to strangle the user.

[@sithmar929]

Mall ninjas rejoice….

[@RedKincaid]

I've been so excited that Ian has been making videos on my favorite pieces of Russian history, hope this video on the coolest idea for holster I've ever seen is entirely positive and not at all critical