CETME L: Hill & Mac or MarColMar

[@colemanmoore9871]

I love how this video brought out all of the welders, injection molders, and Spaniards out of the wood work all at once.

[@chromenewt]

And Aliens fans

[@connergibson9453]

Ian: *clearly states that the crappy welds are his and not a failure on HMG* Every fifth comment: "Those welds are terrible on the HMG"

[@nolansykinsley3734]

I really was going to leave a comment on those welds but waited, glad I didn't.

[@ScottKenny1978]

Well, they *are* terrible. They're also not HMGs fault.

[@mrmikesgunrack]

I want to fix his welds. As a welder they are bothering me on an emotional level.

[@ScottKenny1978]

@@mrmikesgunrack I haven't done any welding in 22 years, and they bother me. I can't imagine how much they must bother a currently working welder!

[@JimYeats]

MR MIKES GUNRACK Agreed. It physically makes it difficult to watch this video.

[@miguelencanarias]

To be absolutely precise, the "T" designation in the fire selector stands for "Tiro a tiro" (lit. "shot by shot") or semi-auto.

[@samholdsworth3957]

👍

[@appalachianexploration5714]

Its an f

[@miguelencanarias]

@@appalachianexploration5714 In one of the models. Jump to 01:09 and you will see what I mean.

[@miguelencanarias]

@@badgermcbadger1968 ROFL. Of course! it is a fully semi automatic assault rifled weaponized killmurdergun with attachment points for tactical chainsaws, after all. I know because I saw it on CNN.

[@werewally3156]

Fuego?

[@TheRogueWolf]

Hill & Mac: "Authenticity is our watchword!" MarColMar: "We can rebuild it. We have the technology."

[@AndrewAMartin]

Hearing the theme from "The Six Million Dollar Man" in my head now... Reminds me of the difference between the "It's only original once/keep the patina" crowd and the full concourse/no bolt untouched restoration crowds in the automotive world...

[@TheCell-vx3pk]

Reminds me of "my mechanics": "I make a new one"

[@notnaklaf]

Those perfectly round dimples on the handguard are probably marks from the ejector pins in the injection mould, not sprue marks. The single mark on the other side is the injection gate

[@johnib5905]

Manufacturing is so darn cool, I'd been wondering what those dimples were on other molded parts.

[@DoctyrEvil]

They definitely are. Amazing they went to all the trouble to duplicate the hot tip injection and ejector locations. Dedication: these folks got it.

[@midjetman5able]

Working in injection molding myself, I'm glad someone made this comment before I did. I would have made a more long winded explanation, which I doubt anyone would read

[@johnib5905]

@@midjetman5able As a second year engineering student, i'd love a long version.

[@ericgoldman7533]

I was going to make this comment had it not already been made.

[@DJFK777]

MarColMar sounds like an abbreviation for Martian Colonial Marines

[@wierdalien1]

Or the british version Marines, Colonial Martian.

[@jaimgom]

In Spanish it would be "Marines Coloniales Marcianos", so it still would make sense.

[@tugboatyan]

Who's going to feast on Earth's sky and drink their rivers dry? MMC! Who's going to stomp their mountains into fine Martian dust? MMC! Till the rains fall hard on Olympus Mons, who are we? MMC!

[@windwalker5765]

Especially since the gun was numbered LV-00426.

[@moonrazk]

@@tugboatyan Is the gravity of a real planet too much for you? Frickin dusters.

[@kutamsterdam]

To me the American gun laws are mind boggling ... import rifle, destroy receivers and barrels, build up rifle with new receivers and barrels😣 ... where is the logic in that??! ... old machine guns/pistols before a certain date are allowed and after that date they are banned because ... dangerous 😶and i can go on in aw like that forever!... love the vids Ian, thanks.

[@wolfehoffmann2697]

You've got that a little bit backwards. They're destroyed outside the US at the country of export, then imported and rebuilt. And yes, it's absolutely beyond asinine.

[@DerekIcelord]

Yes, the US has some of the dumbest firearm import laws in the world. Most other places that I'm aware of, while they have draconian restrictions on what firearms you're allowed to possess, if you can legally have it, you can have it imported. The US adds a bunch of extra shit, mixing the worst of gun control and trade protectionism laws together.

[@MitchellCH]

Pitt Brad that is the type of garbage that ensues when anyone and everyone gets a vote and not just people who are intellectually qualified to make decisions such as any kind of law ever.

[@miguelencanarias]

Awwww you were expecting any sense in American gun control laws. You are adorable, my sweet summer child...

[@Hansengineering]

The intent was to make it so onerous, the firearms would not be imported at all. The law makers weren't thinking "These specific parts are dangerous and should be destroyed."

[@Mamiya645]

Imagine taking one of these to the range, letting someone try a few shots, you raise your hand in panic and time slows down as the foreign made mag gets slid in by the fellow who didn't know better and BAM, black helicopters and black vans all over the joint

[@philips.5563]

And just like that I had a court-appointed dog. I hope they do ok.

[@Clay3613]

Imagine being this paranoid.

[@ScottKenny1978]

Why do you have a foreign made magazine (replacing a metal floorplate is trivial, just to get one made-in-USA part) in the first place? *It's YOUR gun!*

[@ScottKenny1978]

@@shakingmyhead7707 it was largely to shut down importation of semi-auto rifles.

[@brasstard7.627]

Normal people dont have to follow 922r. Its for companies that build and import firearms and without 922r nothing cool would be imported or built because of Daddy Bush and his illegal Sporting Clause import dictate. Its a legal way around a so called Assault Weapons import ban

[@WardenWolf]

I think Marcolmar overall did a better job. Marcolmar also offers the rifles with a Picatinny rail on top, which makes them a better choice for modern shooters. Both manufacturers make them with AR15 magazine compatibility.

[@Picolinni]

WardenWolf now if only it could get an automatic bolt hold open...

[@Robert5hw]

To me this felt like "MarColMar did this better" for everything

[@vincentkermorgant]

I think they did not play in the same league to start with

[@Seth9809]

Likely costs 2-3K thou.

[@hambrabai1256]

@@Seth9809 An MCM Cetme-L is about 1249 for the standard model, and 1299 for the railed model. I believe the HMG guns were/are something like 999.

[@Seth9809]

@@hambrabai1256 Oh really? Huh, pretty good. If only they had better irons and could get down to PTR prices.

[@mt10fullsend78]

Neat to see this! We made the molds for MarColMar's furniture.

[@MitchellCH]

Oh ya that company that never finished the sturmgewehr they said they would make.

[@ForgottenWeapons]

Yup.

[@zacharyrollick6169]

Disappointed!

[@Gorgondantess]

IIRC they were (allegedly) screwed by a critical subcontractor and are in the process of suing them for millions over it.

[@TheDandyMann]

@@Gorgondantess what was the subcontractor supposed to be producing for them?

[@darksu6947]

@@TheDandyMann Cookies 🍪

[@thelemon0001]

Imagine a Build-a-Bear shop, but for guns.

[@Hansengineering]

Those kinda existed, and were found to be *super* jail-timey. I forget which 80% company it was, but they would let you come into their factory, give you a disk with the machining program on it, instruct you in how to set up their CNC machine, then let you push the button to finish the receiver. The ATF was very displeased.

[@Hansengineering]

@Graf von Losinj there is no deep state.

[@ScottKenny1978]

AK guys do it all the time, usually with pre-cut receiver flats that the buyer just has to bend into shape and heat treat. It's a little harder for ARs, unless you're not buying an 80% lower and just assembling the gun in the shop.

[@ScottKenny1978]

@@Hansengineering when isn't the ATF extremely displeased, though? 😜

[@georgewhitworth9742]

@@ScottKenny1978When they get the Bradley? Lol

[@migueltraviesa2987]

It was my rifle during my military service in Spain, back in 1994. It was pretty accurate and smooth to shoot plus ergonomic, but the magazines were just rubish, it got rusty quite easily and disasamble was complicated because of the fire selector

[@migueltraviesa2987]

By the way, CETME stands for Centro de Estudios Técnicos de Materiales Especiales ( Center for Thecnical Studies of Special. Materials) and L ( ligero) stands for “light “ in oppsite to the former C model, chambered in .308 NATO ( CETME C it is the model in wich german G3 is based on)

[@dragonsword7370]

Was there just all over rusting or was it sectioned to a specific area that required a constant oiling instead?

[@migueltraviesa2987]

DragonSword it was in the metal that covered the cannon, at the end of the rifle. In fact it was nasty but not a serius problem, as it does not affect neither the cannon itself nor the bolt

[@martingardener90]

Most welders go for the "Stack of Dimes" finish, Ian goes for the "Blob of Chewing Gum" approach! 😂

[@MichaelMacGyver]

Wait...your gun's serial number is LV-426, the same as the planet in Alien/Aliens! Was that intentional???

[@ForgottenWeapons]

It was not an accident. :)

[@YCCCm7]

I keep hearing "Marky Mark". What a funky bunch of differences.

[@thelegendaryklobb2879]

"Markle Mar"

[@JPR3D]

This is a very cool video covering something probably not a lot of people realize about domestic repro /kit guns, the actual manufacturing and considerations of which imported parts to use and which to make new.

[@miguelencanarias]

It wouldn't be a CETME L-related video if we didn't clarify once again that the original design and early production models were quite OK (and are still in service in LE organizations) but stupid decisions taken by bean counters, altered specifications and poor quality control led to the mass production disaster for which both CETME L and AMELI are sadly (in)famous. A terrible way to soil the magnificent reputation obtained with the CETME C or the futuristic CETME 7.92x41 cartridge (the one with aluminum core).

[@mrpirate6187]

All this gun needs is a railed handguard

[@miguelencanarias]

@@mrpirate6187 Nothing a 3D printer can't solve.

[@mrpirate6187]

Miguel Domínguez and maybe a different stock because it kinda looks dated. But yeah.

[@ScottKenny1978]

What was/is wrong with the AMELI?

[@miguelencanarias]

@@ScottKenny1978 Basically a portable, lightweight 5.56 MG3, it was a fantastic design that caught the interest of the British Military after trials conducted with the prototypes exceeded all expectations. Then, exactly as with the CETME L, the specs for mass production were changed resulting in a weapon system that would malfunction every other second. The British returned their purchase in disgust.

[@nodice1881]

That HMG has a serial of LV-426, Some real ACM vibes going on here

[@nodice1881]

@@TheRealColBosch that works too dude idc lmao

[@americanfreikorps7413]

Serial Number - LV-426.....I see what you did there.

[@gotpwnednubs89]

Imagine accidently putting in the wrong magazine and committing a felony

[@JanTuts]

An _administrative_ felony even, the worst kind! /s

[@Matt_The_Hugenot]

Imagine buying some unmarked replacement part and installing it only to find out you've committed a felony

[@bigmike-]

@@Matt_The_Hugenot Realistically, 922r only exists as an "added" thing for when you're already being looked at for stuff the government mind not necessarily like in the first place; it's essentially there as a tool to punish people worse if the governments decides it wants to. That being said... 922r, like most gun regulations in the US, is fucking dumb and it deeply saddens me that it exists at all.

[@hobofactory]

Big Mike additionally, as Ian mentioned briefly, there’s a protectionist reason behind it... in that it stifles foreign competition against domestic manufacturers.

[@Clay3613]

@@hobofactory Exactly, so many people who are aggressively against any kind of gun laws seem to fail to actually read the law without some sort of lobby or opposing politician giving them a hysterics laden description.

[@luger700]

I would love more videos like this where you compare and discuss military arms (clones) that are available on the US civilian market. I have a Marcolmar CETME L and I love it.

[@mrgazpacho3316]

Join us next time where Ian has to copy and paste "I am not a welder." 25 times for those who commented before watching the whole video 😂

[@545x39mm]

I picked up a MarColMar CETME L on sale and had a good coupon from Brownells last year. Quite happy with it, I looked at the HMG but since the prices were similar decided to go with the MarColMar because for one I got the version with rail atop for mounting an optic and the better fit and finish overall from using robotic welding and new made furniture. So far quite happy with it, has been a real treat to shoot and despite what the manual recommends about only feeding it 62 gr "green tip" for best function, it happily eats anything I feed it. It has been a little choosy about magazines, so I picked up a stack of Okay Industries mags specifically for it, aside from that one issue (and it really isn't that huge a deal) it has been a surprisingly accurate and reliable rifle, a shame the Spanish government decided to cut corners in production and give it the bad rap it ended up with. I know someone who picked up one of the HMG made ones and has had similar experience. I suppose it is just a matter of what you'd prefer, myself the better fit and finish (and rail on top) were the big factors.

[@Ulani101]

Being a purist, I'd have chosen the HMG gun with all the evidence of the gun's age and use. However, I'm English, so it doesn't matter which I'd prefer; as I can't legally own either. 😢

[@daveb1930]

Upcoming FW videos confirmed to cover tactical smart missiles, phase-plasma pulse rifles, RPGs, sonic electronic ball breakers, nukes, knives and sharp sticks...

[@dragonsword7370]

Phantasm balls too?

[@joseramirez9599]

Hey Ian, you can insert the bolt carrier with the fire control group installed by using your middle finger through the ejection port and depressing the hammer while inserting the bolt carrier. Figured this out when the bolt carrier didn’t want to go in on my Marcolmar.

[@lwburks4658]

I can always turn on a video of yours and fall asleep, it has a soothing bob ross of guns effect

[@bored383]

the Hill & Mac guns has an 'Alien' serial number . . . was it actually supplied by Weyland-Yutani?

[@PsiQ]

Filler and Paint make me the welder i aint.. but honestly , those welding spotty thingys on that rifle towards the sights and barrel are just fugly. if you do it nice with some practice it doesnt really take longer than ugly. edit: aha, so you did that welding ;-) here i started wondering ...

[@Hermenie]

As my boss says, “if you use a grinder to make your welds look nice; you’re not a welder, you’re a grinder.”

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

@@Hermenie nah you are worried about your final product looking decent.

[@ScottKenny1978]

@@Ugly_German_Truths says someone who doesn't work around aircraft or race cars. No grinding of the welds allowed, so you need to know how to weld pretty, in addition to weld effectively.

[@lizardb8694]

This video reminded me, that I ve never actually watched the InRangeTV CETME L build party tutorial series, never mind that I will never build one myself. Turns out that Ian and Karl had so much tantalizing... fun building these, also blue latex gloves aesthetics...based. It is still available on Full30 and other places, it is worth googling, if someone wants something interesting to watch to fight covid lockdown boredom. Cheers.

[@szabib2144]

Wow I’ve never seen or heard of this rifle. Thank you for giving information on it really cool.

[@charles_wipman]

To me the MarColMar one looks better; on the Armada our CETME Ls, LCs & LVs all had S (Seguro = Safe), T (Tiro = Shot [standing for: Single Shot]), R (Rafaga = Burst) & A (Automático = Auto). The S marking was white while the T, R & A markings were red, the 5.56 indication of the caliber was '5'56x45mm NATO' also in white, a friend that was in the Army a couple of years before i went to the Royal Spanish Marine Infantry also had CETME-Ls with burst fire too, but his CETME-L had that three things flash hider, our ones in the Armada had a "bird cage" flash hider, that thing that you'd pointed out that was left open?, on our CETME Ls, LCs & the LVs was closed too; some of the CETME Ls pistol grip were "weird" and felt weird, some were heavier than others and a bit more bulky, i didn't noticed it by looking at 'em at a begining, but handling other guys CETME Ls and the LCs on the guards and vessel assault maniouvers you felt it pretty well; to try to fix the recovery & compesator springs issue... we had to sneak empty 9mm cases to put in the stock againist the springs (those cheap bastards made us gatter every single damn empty case [ours or not] on the firing range like chickens picking corn), some times it worked... others didn't. One common practice in my company was identify between ourselves who had the best shooting (the most reliable) CETMEs and then by night we took theirs out of the gun rack, dissasembly it and replace our springs with theirs, kinda felt like the roman legion... they'd incentivated this kind of practices as a way to practice our "ninja skills for the combat" and also to aboid to be arrested for "suspected leak of caring of the weapon", was fun and kept you awake.

[@PlayerSalt]

Never really heard of this company but what a lot of loving detail they put into the guns ,whatever they go for i would say its worth

[@showtime2629]

Practically speaking, what would be the likelihood of ever getting in trouble for 922r compliance for modifying a gun after the fact? I'd be surprised if a single person had ever gotten in trouble for it. All the parts are so esoteric to be virtually indistinguishable. How many people have modified guns and ended up getting rid of them and the user has no idea about any of these issues. How would someone know they could never use a certain type of magazine or they would be out if compliance?

[@ForgottenWeapons]

Practically speaking? Zero. But it is the law, and it behooves one to know it.

[@Vote4Drizzt]

@@ForgottenWeapons and it behooves public facing speakers and/or manufacturers to be conspicuously compliant lest someone decide to make them the first

[@Hansengineering]

If you have a firearm you've made that is not in compliance, and for some reason you've used that gun in a conspicuous way, such as defending your life in an entirely justified manner, you could be found out, and become a felon. It isn't worth it to fuck around.

[@Konraden]

law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp2/169/957/2424351/ Victor Reid. His FFL was rescinded in 1993 following violation of five laws, the most serious of which was apparently attaching bayonets to SKS rifles (922r violation) and not signing 4473s correctly--and somehow _not_ the sale of handguns to people under the age of 21 or selling arms outside of the FFL's licensed state.

[@showtime2629]

@@Konraden interesting. I'm not surprised some people might have been charged with it in doing something else. I specifically wonder about if someone was to make their personal gun non 922r compliant. How would they even know?

[@badcallsign4204]

I appreciate hearing him say that the ten US parts section R of 922 is complicated and stupid. I once did an SL8-G36 conversion. It makes me feel better.

[@ScottKenny1978]

Yeah, it was highly annoying for my PSL. Though most of the conversion work was purely to make it more usable for me. Needed a better trigger so put in a TAPCo G2, and the original stock was way too short so gave it a Rhineland Arms tiger maple stock.

[@ADITADDICTS]

I still have heartburn from that garlic chili stuff he drank the other day.

[@TheMCD1989]

I forget what he called it, but I live way up north and that stuff is awesome in the winter when it's negative whatever outside. Warms you right up, we call it fire cider. Good for fighting head colds too, there is no way to drink it without shuddering though.

[@miguelencanarias]

You too? I almost fainted when he described what he was about to drink.

[@ADITADDICTS]

@@TheMCD1989 That stuff looked like it could fight off the Covid!

[@ADITADDICTS]

@@miguelencanarias I thought he was going to marinate something with it. Lol

[@axelpatrickb.pingol3228]

I remember that drink is popular in the Caribbean being the drink of choice of the Baron Samedi, Lord of the Underworld

[@lexedmonds9075]

I feel I should mention here that The Marcolmar version is also $350-$400 (USD) more expensive than the HMG version, as of their official price listings on the manufacturers website as of 8/12/2020.

[@ScottKenny1978]

I'd argue that it's worth it, but that's just me.

[@sethy5136]

I really enjoy the design of the cetme charging handle. Very interesting it folds down with that nice little paddle to grab and charge the gun

[@Falconguygaming]

7:50 I would have to disagree that those are sprue marks, I would believe that those are the ejector pin marks.

[@kcstott]

the twin round marks are ejector pins. the single sprue mark is the actual hot runner gate sprue

[@nuggs4snuggs516]

You don't NEED to remove the fire control group, but your only other option is to reach into the chamber and depress the hammer with your finger or a screwdriver until you can get the bolt over it.

[@OddBike]

Love your work Ian! Keep it up! One small thing: a lot of your recent videos have had noticeable sibilance in the audio, you should check your audio equipment... Maybe add a treble reduction in post.

[@JuicyCubes]

Feel free to let me know I'm wrong, but I believe the 2 divots you showed on the hand guard (7:39) are witness marks from the pins used to push the product out of the mold and not sprue marks. I don't have any experience with these firearms, but I do have some with injection molding. Not trying to call you out just provide extra info.

[@JuicyCubes]

Great video! I love all the information about guns and manufacturing I've never heard about.

[@ForgottenWeapons]

Thanks!

[@DoRC]

Those circles in the handgrip are actually mold ejector pin marks not sprue marks.

[@DeepPastry]

The handguards were most likely molded by themselves; maybe a multi-mold, but not directly connected. So the single puckered dot on one side looks to be the injection site for the PPE (Nylon-6 for the new MarColMar), while those two round spots look like the ejection pin locations. EDIT: I'd stick with the Nylon-6, sure PPE is better than ABS, which is better than Bakelite; Nylon-6 would be at the top of this plastics stack.

[@jimsackmanbusinesscoaching1344]

Actually, matching the marks on the Injected Molded Plastic simplifies the design of the new mold. You know if you copy the way the old mold was made that it will work.

[@randywatson8347]

I slowly starting to like these rifles, especially the MarColmar one.

[@jaspercorbyn8678]

Ian, whether its MIG, TIG or oxy that welding is (as you manfully mention) truly sub par coming from an engineer! Seriously though, bugger the nit picking- Im sure its solid and safe or a) you wouldnt be using the gat and b) HMG wouldnt have let it out the door. Another cool bit of content, thanks mate.

[@knotbumper]

I forget how long I have been watching you, I had/have no idea how many "forgotten weapons" there are out there. By now, I would have thought that you would be exploring slingshots. Well Done!!

[@jonokiller]

For anyone saying those welds are terrible, PLEASE let us all enjoy your amazing gunsmithing welds!

[@VaNDaIUKR]

Cada Esquina Tiene Mierda Escondida

[@miguelencanarias]

@Eric M Yeah. It was mostly used in reference to the CETME C model, but it applies. Imagine a rifle used and cleaned by conscript recruits during a 1-year (or less) mandatory military service, in a country where 99.8% of recruits haven't seen a firearm in their lives and there is no gun culture at all, and you can imagine the "pristine" state in which they were kept, military or not military.

[@edgarmaestre6622]

Muy buena 👍

[@zepetv589]

@@miguelencanarias Kinda goes to show how much better the G3 is, jump the border over the portugal and you have a similar situation with culture and conscription (until quite recently), never heard anyone complain about the G3, which is still the de-facto service rifle to this day (officially the SCAR-L took over, not very many delivered yet though).

[@miguelencanarias]

@@zepetv589 Dude, what are you talking about? Internally they are almost exactly the same. Most of the parts are not interchangeable, but the design is basically identical every step of the way. the G3 is no better or worse than the CETME C. Ok, maybe the iron sights are more sophisticated, but that's about it. Also, nobody actually complained about the CETME C, a robust, reliable and asskicking rifle much beloved by everyone who used it. The pun about the dirt is just military humor, kinda like MRE standing for Meals Rejected by Ethiopians.

[@ScottKenny1978]

@@miguelencanarias to be honest, the first generation of MREs were pretty nasty. I wonder how many cans of brake cleaner it took to get all the gunk out of those parts kits?

[@densealloy]

3:15 isnt there flared piece just a brass deflector? It looks like that would be the function.

[@bulkhungry]

Actually it's a bottle opener / back scratcher .

[@RCZM64]

Yes, it is.

[@loupiscanis9449]

Thank you , Ian .

[@visje1996]

The nibs pointed out at 7:25 look like sprue marks, the circles at 7:45 more like ejector pin marks, where a metal piston pushes the part out of the mold

[@hendriktonisson2915]

The original Cetme L had problem with M-16 STANAG magazines wich didn`t quite work in the gun. So the gun used it`s own proprietary magazines. Is this problem fixed in these versions?

[@ForgottenWeapons]

Short version, yes.

[@hambrabai1256]

I believe on the MCM guns they opened up the magwell ever so slightly and a few other tweaks were made so it will function properly with a USGI aluminum magazine. However, it will not accept Pmags or really any other type of polymer magazine. Even a few OK Industries 20rd magazines have issues due to some prominent spot welds on the magazines, and if you're feeling particularily stupid you can ram a Lancer magazine into an MCM and get it horrendously stuck in the gun. A friend of mine learned that the hard way on my Cetme-L.

[@yappojilla]

those arent round sprue marks @7:41, they are ejector pin marks, those pins kick the part out of the mold when its done cooling.

[@orcwordlaugh1360]

To Ian's final comment of the video. That law doesn't just restrict sale but what a private citizen does with the gun? What possible justification could there be for stopping someone from buying both guns and combining the parts whatever way they want?

[@cargo_vroom9729]

I can't get over the galaxy brain legislation that not only is a removable box magazine per say part of the gun, but that it's three parts. We can only be thankful it didn't occur to them to define each individual cartridge as a 'part'

[@TheCell-vx3pk]

I'm always fascinated how close and yet different these are to the HK G3 / The CETME A1-E.

[@slowbutsure504]

I need to get my hands on one of these

[@rocpile1141]

Great video.... thank you Ian!!

[@aequintas2131]

07:40 I'm pretty sure those arent sprue marks they are more likely ejector marks. Big plastic parts like there generally are made using a single cavity producing only 1 copy at a time

[@kennenandersen]

LV 426 for a serial number. You can't make that up.

[@ForgottenWeapons]

It was not a random choice. :)

[@Matt_The_Hugenot]

There's a place for both as many purely original parts as possible and remanufactured weapons that actually work. MarColMar look like they've done a great job.

[@corybrule4769]

Lv426 was also the planet from aliens.

[@kgames9403]

922r is dumb but I SORT OF get how it should affect manufacturers but as soon as that gun enters my hands as a private owner it should have no legal authority over my property

[@anglofsffrng]

Dont feel bad Ian. Your welding looks a hell of alot better than mine.

[@luisantolafrancis519]

You did not lie when you said your welding was crap.. anyways that build series was great , and you still can dress up those and reweld them much better ,

[@jasoncrow7681]

Yes, like Finnish M62 cammo. Just what I was thinking.

[@thesturm8686]

Yeah, i got mine somewhat on the center, slightly reddish but not much. Also it's a similar thing with which color is true "feldgrau" among others

[@ownageeagle]

I've been eyeing the MarColMar one for a long time. I probably wouldn't use my reloaded brass on it thought since the roller delayed system mauls it. Would be a nice rifle to shoot some cheap .223 steel case out out of. Just got to wonder if the barrel would hold up to those crappy projectiles.

[@jameskazd9951]

i would love to have either of those rifles.

[@codyweaver706]

I see that Aliens reference in the serial number, oddly enough I have a Gen 3 Glock 19 with an almost identical serial. 🤣

[@SashkaFox]

When your serial number is LV-426

[@JenkemDungeon]

That's it, I'm buying one. Thanks.

[@gustavoscottifraga4541]

That's it, I'm getting me mallet

[@sid_the_flying_gun-nut2149]

How tf did you watch this 3 days ago?

[@enricopaolocoronado2511]

@@sid_the_flying_gun-nut2149 Patreon supporters get to watch videos early

[@sid_the_flying_gun-nut2149]

Oh ok, thank you.

[@enricopaolocoronado2511]

@@sid_the_flying_gun-nut2149 you're welcome

[@Shdihxbeidjxbs]

As someone who has owned both guns, I had so much trouble getting my marcolmar to run that I just gave up and bought an HMG. Haven’t had a problem since. Guess there’s a lot to be said as far as quality control goes.

[@larbloc3382]

Serial number LV-00426 on the HMG. This gun is must-have for any fan of the ALIEN movie franchise. Super jealous.

[@eduk4387]

Selector markings. S=Safe. F=Failure to fire

[@armr6937]

It's ridiculous that I'm spanish and can't get one of these (unless I go through countless hoops and pay inordinate amounts of money).

[@miguelencanarias]

I hear you, but I actually feel safer knowing that even criminals have a really difficult time getting their hands on any kind of firearm, not to mention a 5.56 NATO military rifle. Or that the chances of that road rage idiot stepping out of his vehicle having a gun are infinitesimal. I would like to keep it that way, because once the toothpaste is out of the tube, there is not putting it back in. Yep, I like the Spanish way.

[@armr6937]

@@miguelencanarias I like the Swiss way better, but it would take a couple generations to implement here. Plus, I don't think getting a firearm illegally over here is that complicated, I'd imagine as long as you've got the cash and know (well) someone that's done something shady at some point, you're probably set. 5.56 isn't out of anyone's range either, but being so much harder to conceal there's no point.

[@miguelencanarias]

@@armr6937 Agreed, but as you say, the Swiss gun culture is a wonder that would take generations to make it stick here. Even Americans gaze in amazement at the healthy relationship the Swiss have with their guns and the safety permeating every aspect of it. As for criminals, I'm not saying it is impossible by any stretch of the imagination, but you will agree with me in that the likelihood of being confronted with a gun in Spain is so remote that it is not something worth of consideration. Ok, maybe in big, cosmopolitan cities like Barcelona or Madrid, but that's about it, and the gun itself is likely to be an old piece of shit.

[@armr6937]

@@miguelencanarias True enough.

[@bassault]

@@miguelencanarias Yes and when the communists finally vote in to take away free speech, the organs will kick down your door for a mean tweet you made 5 years ago and you'll have a really difficult time doing anything about it.

[@rimedrihen6054]

Those rifles had a very poor reputation within the spanish military once it came into service. Specially when compared to the previous CETMEs. The troops used to refer to CETME's initials as "cada esquina tiene mierda escondida", translated as "each corner has sh*t hidden".

[@josephthomas8318]

The guys over at copper custom armament out of Valparaiso Indiana might have a few semi auto cetme L rifles still in stock. Check out their website

[@andreinarangel6227]

Ian if you can do one on the Spanish Army's "AMELI" light machine gun you will move into the pantheon of Internet Gods!!! BTW, it's "S" for "Seguro" (safe).

[@dj1NM3]

I'm slightly surprised that the sear engagement notch location on the hammer wasn't changed slightly so that it is back further (or lower) when cocked, just like it would have been if there was an auto-sear (eliminating the need to remove the trigger-pack to re-install the bolt carrier and bolt). I suppose that would have meant manufacturing new hammers as well, increasing the cost of production and that's why it wasn't done?

[@idontwanttoputmyname403]

I have to wonder if it would somehow affect locktime? Although the average shooter probably wouldn't notice.

[@larrythorn4715]

This is one of those rifles that I would really love to own, but can't justify the risk. Before the CETME-Ls hit the US market I bought a Vector HK93 clone that couldn't zero on windage due to the bad sight alignment. I sent it back for repairs and it had bad sight alignment to the other side and I barely got it zeroed. Not that it matters, it shoots horrible groups. I bought a POF MP-5 clone with the same problem, barely got it zeroed. Then I bought a Brethren Arms HK93 clone. It has bad sight alignment, I ran out of elevation trying to get it to zero...At least it shoots decent groups... No more roller lock clones for me, they're cursed. It's like an AR-15 except heavier, less reliable, bulkier, harder to work on or repair, harder to get parts for, and twice as expensive.

[@diegoferreiro9478]

Maybe the issue is on the clones rather than the roller lock system.

[@larrythorn4715]

@@diegoferreiro9478 If you go with the original ones then you still have all of the problems I listed but now it's four times as expensive instead of twice. to be fair the problem isn't really with the roller lock system. It could be very reliable and accurate the problem is that almost all of the companies that were qualified to make those guns have stopped making them

[@ScottKenny1978]

@@larrythorn4715 try PTR. HK is pissed at them because PTR is making better HKs than HK is. PTR apparently bought all HKs old tooling when HK upgraded.

[@larrythorn4715]

@@ScottKenny1978 its the one roller lock rifle I would consider in the future. However I understand that POF uses HK tooling and they still made a kinda meh product. Clearly having the know-how but not the tooling doesn't work (Vector, Brethren), having the tooling but not the know-how doesn't work (POF, MKE), and if you don't have either we just call you Century or Special Weapons.

[@americanrepair]

Ian, next time you are in Vegas you have an open invite to come over to my shop and I'll teach you how to TIG weld.

[@ForgottenWeapons]

Thanks, but I know my limitations.

[@americanrepair]

@@ForgottenWeapons If you can shoot left and right handed, I promise I can teach you how to weld.

[@rodgerjohnson3375]

It was my impression Hill & Mac were not doing well.

[@alexandruianu8432]

They're in a court case with a supplier for failing to deliver for the Stg project (which sucks for all involved), but these builds are from before that. They've also provided build kits after those 100 builds were done.

[@ForgottenWeapons]

Their StG project certainly isn't doing well.

[@axelpatrickb.pingol3228]

@@alexandruianu8432 Kind of ironic when the gun in question was originally made out of crap metal and bits of wood out of sheer desperation...

[@mikec8086]

@@axelpatrickb.pingol3228 the stamping tech was phenomenal however, even nowadays its impressive.

[@LuvBorderCollies]

@@mikec8086 A saying I heard years ago.....its simple to make a complicated gun and complicated to make a "simple" gun. AK is is a good example.

[@hernerweisenberg7052]

Maybe copying those marks from the injection mold process was less about staying close to the original as it was about capitalizing on r&d and testing the spanish had to put in to make it work right? Why reinvent the wheel if it worked the first time :)

[@willlowery84]

I wonder if MarColMar bought the original furniture molds directly from Spain.

[@ForgottenWeapons]

No, they made them new.

[@elsoldadomarquez]

Both look so cool, but which one has the fluted chamber like was supposed to be or their have smooth chambers?

[@Thekossiable]

Have you shot these Ian? They look pretty good, i wonder how they handle.

[@ForgottenWeapons]

I have; they shoot nicely.

[@paleosteveo3501]

1:30 nice serial number!

[@MiguelHenrique-tj2qo]

I know this has absolutely nothing to do with this video but I'd love to see a Bergmann mg15 n.a lgm Review. Never had the chance to see someone holding one. Did any of those survive WW1?

[@Hansspeilm]

Jesus, look at those "welds"...

[@zupperm]

So is the foreign magazines illegal thing only for the importer or can the gun owner get in trouble if they do so?

[@ForgottenWeapons]

There is debate over that; it's not clear. As far as I know, no individual has even been charged for violating 922(r).

[@ScottKenny1978]

Since these feed off of STANAG magazines, might as well use PMags! Or one of the steel body AR mags made in the USA, if you want the right look.

[@joseramirez9599]

Pmags don’t work. Too thick on the rear. I ground my pmag down and the follower is party exposed but it works so I use it.

[@tommyo_o3897]

I`ve shot with that cetme in my military service, was lovely but it has a problem after a very stress time shooting, the barrel bend it.

[@swj719]

Ian, we need to have a conversation about your welding... 😉

[@ForgottenWeapons]

I took the easy route, and have not attempted to weld anything since I did this back in 2017. :)

[@swj719]

@@ForgottenWeapons That's fair. 👍

[@kurt9894]

By "heavy spacer" in Karl's rifle he mean a spent 8mm Lebel case

[@tokul76]

In which direction brass are flying out of ejection port? Rim on ejection port might be for deflecting brass.

[@SecurityGuy42]

HMG is still in business? I thought they took the money for the pre-paid Sturmgewehrs and ran to the Bahamas?