How Does It Work: Toggle Actions

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Toggle actions are a relatively exotic locking system that are relatively common and well-known because the system was used in a pair of particularly successful early guns: the Luger and Maxim/Vickers. There have also been toggle-action shotguns, military rifles, sporting rifles, and submachine guns, but the system went out of favor by the 1930s (except in the mind of one Adolf Furrer).
Most toggle-action designs use the toggle as a locked breech system, unlocked by a secondary operating system (usually short recoil). However, toggle system can also be the basis for delayed blowback actions, as in the Pedersen rifle.
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@mr.international2778
@mr.international2778 3 жыл бұрын
Toggle actions are the pop up headlights of the gun world. An obsolete invention but is so aestheticaly cool it deserves a comeback.
@DualDesertEagle
@DualDesertEagle 3 жыл бұрын
How about a lego gun that uses this system? kzbin.info/www/bejne/a5PUhnylp7Sgpas
@wapniak666
@wapniak666 3 жыл бұрын
POPUPUPANDDOWNHEADLIGGHTS
@Eubeenhadd
@Eubeenhadd 3 жыл бұрын
HEADLIGHTS GO UP HEADLIGHTS GO DOWN
@stefanmolnapor910
@stefanmolnapor910 3 жыл бұрын
Vacuum canister and vacum lines ohhh my!
@juanordonezgalban2278
@juanordonezgalban2278 3 жыл бұрын
I support the comeback of both
@CelloLinuxFellow
@CelloLinuxFellow 3 жыл бұрын
"Toggle action susceptible to fouling." Luger: still unbeaten in the InRangeTV mud test.
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 3 жыл бұрын
The Luger is well sealed up, but it's not a good day once something does get in.
@gameragodzilla
@gameragodzilla 3 жыл бұрын
@@ForgottenWeapons I always felt the mud test was kind of the exception that proved the rule in a lot of instances. Stuff like the Luger and the AR-15 do very well in the mud test vs. something like a 1911 or an AK because the former are very tightly sealed while the latter does still allow ingress points. However, that tight seal also means if something does get in, it takes less of it for the guns to gum up and fail, so they require more general maintenance whereas so long as you keep the latter guns out of absolutely extreme conditions (and they're fairly easy to clean even if you do because those same ingress points also allow those things to clear out if you rinse it down), they'll generally work for longer periods of time without problems. Especially since no matter what, there will always be stuff inside the gun simply from the act of igniting gunpowder.
@User_Un_Friendly
@User_Un_Friendly 3 жыл бұрын
@@ForgottenWeapons One thing you forgot to mention, Ian. In at least two firearms, the Luger and the Pederson trials rifle, the high operating speed of the toggle action (due to the low mass of the toggle action breech) required additional steps. Luger required a high compression spring to ensure cartridges fed fast enough to keep up with the self loading mechanism, and the Pederson required a hard lubricant applied on the surface of the cartridges. I’m not sure what other toggle action firearms required for them to function reliably…
@randomidiot8142
@randomidiot8142 3 жыл бұрын
@@User_Un_Friendly The 5.7 also has a coating that was supposedly for feeding/extraction from what I've heard. Not toggle delayed, just blowback.
@User_Un_Friendly
@User_Un_Friendly 3 жыл бұрын
@@randomidiot8142 Ian needs to do a video on the FN 5.7. 😋. Pistol and the P-90. 😉
@luckytaylor382
@luckytaylor382 3 жыл бұрын
I’d also like to add that in many lever-action weapons (minus a few such as the Winchester 1895), that the lever serves to break an internal toggle which keeps the bolt locked during firing. The lever performs multiple functions, but the toggle lock is one of them.
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 3 жыл бұрын
Yup - I was only thinking about self-loaders for this video.
@johnbo5222
@johnbo5222 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah! Also that old Volcanic Pistol was exactly like that as well! However not a self loader..
@Willy_Tepes
@Willy_Tepes 3 жыл бұрын
Some modern biathlon 22 rimfire rifles also use a toggle.
@User_Un_Friendly
@User_Un_Friendly 3 жыл бұрын
@@ForgottenWeapons Time for a revised video. 🤣
@randomidiot8142
@randomidiot8142 3 жыл бұрын
@@Willy_Tepes and airguns.
@4khilys
@4khilys 3 жыл бұрын
Looking at toggle action guns I just assumed they were all some form of delayed blowback, didn't realize they could be locked and broken open on a cam surface. Thanks for this dose of knowledge
@NM-wd7kx
@NM-wd7kx 3 жыл бұрын
It's like finding out about roller locking for the first time after knowing about the roller delayed blowback H&K line
@randomidiot8142
@randomidiot8142 3 жыл бұрын
@@NM-wd7kx the hk line could very easily be modified to roller locked piston driven and solve some of the problems they had to half ass engineer around.
@ivankrylov6270
@ivankrylov6270 3 жыл бұрын
They're an out dated form of locking in gun design, but they're pretty much standard in injection molding doing pretty much the same thing,holding literally tons of presure and controlling the opening action
@Biped
@Biped 3 жыл бұрын
As long as you're not trying to injection mold in mudfilled trenches it should be a good choice. Still very interesting.
@robertmudd2892
@robertmudd2892 3 жыл бұрын
Yes Castmaster used it on their presses
@ivankrylov6270
@ivankrylov6270 3 жыл бұрын
@@Biped idk man those shops get pretty dirty...
@jacquesblaque7728
@jacquesblaque7728 3 жыл бұрын
No such thing as "tons of pressure." That's an oxymoron. Maybe tons of FORCE? Huge difference- eschew fuzzification.
@ivankrylov6270
@ivankrylov6270 3 жыл бұрын
@@jacquesblaque7728ton is a force, pressure is force/area so given an area a ton can be used in lew of pressure Also ton is a euphemism for alot
@JH-lo9ut
@JH-lo9ut 3 жыл бұрын
Also seen in capsule-loaded coffe machines, the ones with a break-lever on top of them. They are actually quite remarkable pieces of mechanical engineering. I recommend everyone to take theirs apart and try and put it back together again. Hours of fun! Lots of useful parts! (I take no responsibility for damages caused by electric shock, fire, water damage, scaulding, explosion)
@JL-dance
@JL-dance 3 жыл бұрын
We shall never forget the unfortunate casualties of coffee maker explosions...
@samanthaholmes8294
@samanthaholmes8294 3 жыл бұрын
I’m Ian McCollum with forgotten weapons and that’s the way it is.
@kevinwestermann1001
@kevinwestermann1001 3 жыл бұрын
Amen.
@CtrlAltRetreat
@CtrlAltRetreat 3 жыл бұрын
I haven't seen lay in a damn long time. Hope he's doing ok.
@XBrh53a
@XBrh53a 3 жыл бұрын
Ian McCollum has 100% creditailty with me compared to my total lack of trust for cronkite. Cronkite was the man that made me realise that none of the media could be trusted. Sir Ian McCollum covers the total gun, from the hard technical facts to the more abstract areas such as the Cool Factor. Thank you Ian!
@nguyen-vuluu3150
@nguyen-vuluu3150 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Gun Jesus for blessing me with this knowledge. Ive being calling the Luger's action the funny folding slide for years now.
@andersjjensen
@andersjjensen 3 жыл бұрын
It still is a funny folding slide despite knowing the proper nomenclature! :P
@MrSam1er
@MrSam1er 3 жыл бұрын
A certain Mister Furrer from Switzerland would like to have a word with you, about the supposed problems with toggle locks.
@gavindavies793
@gavindavies793 3 жыл бұрын
I was about to say the same. I've heard he's Furrious that his starring role was cut from this short film.
@colinl992
@colinl992 3 жыл бұрын
Loads tankbuchse 41 with malicious intent .
@cameronmccreary4758
@cameronmccreary4758 3 жыл бұрын
I remember making parts for a .22 magnum Luger pistol for John Martz the Luger gunsmith from Lincoln, CA that he was working on. He had formed the ramps so as soon as the cartridge fired it began, operating the toggle system so the system acted more like a delayed blowback. It operated great however, due to the more extreme angle of insertion into the chamber from the magazine it held about 5 rounds of .22 magnum ammunition and he used CCI ammunition exclusively.
@El-Burrito
@El-Burrito 3 жыл бұрын
I bloody love these "How Does It Work" series of videos
@sir_wolf6620
@sir_wolf6620 3 жыл бұрын
huh, never realized that the maxim gun operated on toggle action
@pyro4squirrel
@pyro4squirrel 3 жыл бұрын
Check out C&Rsenals videos on the maxim guns used in WWI kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6TRZGdsqL6Lr9U
@TheFanatical1
@TheFanatical1 3 жыл бұрын
Maxim took the design from a locomotive driving gear (recoil-inertia instead of steam pressure). It became a toggle during the manufacturing phase to make things simpler.
@octocoq
@octocoq 3 жыл бұрын
Today was a good day then
@ashley587
@ashley587 3 жыл бұрын
😍 amazing video! I'd love to see short little overviews like this for other actions, too! It'd be great to send to friends that have a modest interest in firearms but wouldn't normally watch a longer, more in-depth video. Also, showing how the actions work with a ton of examples was a really good idea, it really helped me understand what you were explaining and what I was looking at!
@aricowens2289
@aricowens2289 3 жыл бұрын
Ian I just want to say thanks for all of the work you do making all of this easily digestible content and putting out information. Going through a firearms technology school and often we are studying different actions and mechanisms, and almost without fail there is a perfect, or a series of perfect videos from you that explains everything perfectly.
@myparceltape1169
@myparceltape1169 3 жыл бұрын
You must be aware of the points in the mechanism which will wear first, or break. And also the degree of wear or lack of tolerance each mechanism will withstand. I hope your course goes well.
@dukas54
@dukas54 3 жыл бұрын
Great video Ian I love these short informative videos, keep up the amazing work.
@joshuajensen4950
@joshuajensen4950 3 жыл бұрын
Love these overview videos for locking systems. With multiple examples it really helps to convey how they work far better than a single firearm.
@TheFanatical1
@TheFanatical1 3 жыл бұрын
It is interesting that by any estimation the toggle-lock system can be categorised as an unqualified success in the firearms world and yet we just no longer see it
@MrKronikDeception
@MrKronikDeception 3 жыл бұрын
It's the same thing as any other evolutionary branch that becomes dominant then is replaced.
@BogeyTheBear
@BogeyTheBear 3 жыл бұрын
There is more than one path to obsolescence. There's feature performance, where the new hotness does the job mich better; and then there is economic feasibility, where the same gets done with greater reliability, dependability, and/or ease of production and cost.
@AsbestosMuffins
@AsbestosMuffins 3 жыл бұрын
its where roller delayed is headed, neat, does what its supposed to do, but there's other simpler to manufacture ways to do it. only like H&K still keep up roller delay systems and they're moving away from that to traditional locking lugs
@ehfoiwehfowjedioheoih4829
@ehfoiwehfowjedioheoih4829 3 жыл бұрын
I LOVE this no nonsense how it works video series Ian, thanks
@pauldonnelly7949
@pauldonnelly7949 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for these insights to the mechanisms of the various firearms you've covered. I have a fascination with firearms but haven't used any since a kid, and they were either bolt action or double barrel shotguns, so these explanations into semi+ full automatic weapons, fill a gap in my knowledge. Thanks again.
@matthieu150797
@matthieu150797 3 жыл бұрын
How does it work videos are back yay !! I love this format !!
@thfi5294
@thfi5294 3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating. I have long wondered how they worked, and now I know. Thank you, and I am going to save this video so I can watch it again.
@Sawer
@Sawer 3 жыл бұрын
I love these kinds of videos a lot!
@ifell3
@ifell3 3 жыл бұрын
I've never really looked into this type of action, excellently explained!
@pieraziel
@pieraziel 3 жыл бұрын
I was waiting for this video for a long time! Now I am happy!
@johnhughes1140
@johnhughes1140 3 жыл бұрын
While I knew how it worked this is the best description I've ever seen of how/why the toggle action works. Excellent video!!!
@ODonnchadhaBrian
@ODonnchadhaBrian 3 жыл бұрын
I love this little series.
@sixstringedthing
@sixstringedthing 3 жыл бұрын
Toggle Action sounds like a niche category that you'd find on a certain different kind of popular video streaming site.
@randomidiot8142
@randomidiot8142 3 жыл бұрын
Toggle action is what the moody wife does to your shaft. Ain't supposed to bend like that.
@envoyend9149
@envoyend9149 3 жыл бұрын
As a relatively new P08 owner this is a very useful video. I knew roughly how the action worked but I didn't know why it worked that way. Thanks for another excellent video!
@JohnM-cd4ou
@JohnM-cd4ou 3 жыл бұрын
Was waiting on my daily upload!!
@MellowGrunt10
@MellowGrunt10 3 жыл бұрын
In a dream I had a few weeks ago, I was literally explaining the toggle lock system of the Luger and Pedersen rifle to my cousins. Now I have more knowledge to continue this internal monologue. :D
@hanktorrance6855
@hanktorrance6855 3 жыл бұрын
This was a great presentation, thanks.! The luger is without a doubt one of the most iconic and desirable firearms ever! To say nothing of grace and beauty!
@dbmail545
@dbmail545 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the explanation of the Pedersen rifle and its delayed blowback system.
@ronbaur8867
@ronbaur8867 3 жыл бұрын
One more gem of a video. I really liked this one
@shibre9543
@shibre9543 3 жыл бұрын
Good job explaining !
@benalla39
@benalla39 3 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see some graphics, maybe even animated, that show where the forces go to illustrate how a toggle actually works. "In a line, a bit like a knee" is adequate if you already get it, but not particularly illuminating in itself. I prefer to refer to this kind of locking mechanism for other engineering purposes as an "over centre lock" because the "knee" needs to travel beyond the centre line of the force and come up against a hard stop before it is truly stably locked.
@kirkmooneyham
@kirkmooneyham 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, there are aircraft landing gears that use a similar concept to keep them "down and locked" until either a hydraulic or electric actuator pulls the "knee joint" past the over center point, then the whole gear can be folded up into the wheel well.
@marcbloom7462
@marcbloom7462 3 жыл бұрын
What about early Henry and Winchester lever actions, they're toggle locks. They still make replicas of those guns.
@TheWhoamaters
@TheWhoamaters 3 жыл бұрын
Not self loading ones though
@Morbacounet
@Morbacounet 3 жыл бұрын
I think Ian was talking about new designs not copies of old designs.
@jayzenitram9621
@jayzenitram9621 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, and there is still at least one guy making replica Lugers. As has been stated, Ian was talking new designs.
@gregorycarter2835
@gregorycarter2835 3 жыл бұрын
I thought those were falling block actions.
@paullytle1904
@paullytle1904 3 жыл бұрын
@@gregorycarter2835 the later john moses browning design ones were ie the winchester 1886 1892 1894 etc However the 1860 1866 1873 1876 all were toggle locked
@petebeatminister
@petebeatminister 3 жыл бұрын
I didn't know I had those questions, but thank you for answering them! :)
@keithweiss7899
@keithweiss7899 3 жыл бұрын
I love my Luger! But I can see where it could get into trouble if it got dirty. A great explanation!👍
@claudiodominguez.
@claudiodominguez. 3 жыл бұрын
The beauty of the Luger is mesmerizing, what lines, machining and over all brilliance.
@BillyONeal
@BillyONeal 3 жыл бұрын
The other big problem with toggle systems is that when locked they load pins that must rotate in shear, and thus wear them out more quickly. For example what made the Winchester-style lever actions capable of handling more energy was Browning adding locks other than the lever parts. Mark Novak did a piece on this but looks like it has since been removed after his content was deleted from the. C&Rsenel channel :(
@pokemon1895
@pokemon1895 3 жыл бұрын
I always wondered about this but never had a chance to check it out first hand. Great explanation.
@kennebearsarms
@kennebearsarms 3 жыл бұрын
Is this the shortest Forgotten Weapons video ever?
@ravebiscuits8721
@ravebiscuits8721 3 жыл бұрын
One big fat vote for continuing this series of vids.
@willieb5911
@willieb5911 Жыл бұрын
When I was a kid and I'd see old B&W movies that showed the Luger, I always noticed how different it looked and wondered how it functioned. Thanks for posting this video.
@domi4531
@domi4531 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation!! Please more “action explanations”
@cavvieira
@cavvieira 3 жыл бұрын
Oh yes please!
@JohnHughesChampigny
@JohnHughesChampigny 3 жыл бұрын
He's done other "how it works" videos
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 3 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/aero/PL9e3UCcU00TRIeypXC53S8r81DZRvoXmu
@shawnr771
@shawnr771 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the lesson.
@ngawch9873
@ngawch9873 3 жыл бұрын
I just research Toggle Actions maybe 1,2 days ago this is really good timing for me.
@sniper0625
@sniper0625 Жыл бұрын
Using this in a discussion board post cause everyone else is doing roller delayed blow back, thanks for explanation
@burtuppercut
@burtuppercut 3 жыл бұрын
I love a good bit of Toggle Action.
@martingardener90
@martingardener90 3 жыл бұрын
Well I hope your Toggle doesn't brake under pressure and it's not affected by Blowback!
@gavindavies793
@gavindavies793 3 жыл бұрын
I was warned that this sort of activity could make you go blind... .
@christophereilers6243
@christophereilers6243 3 жыл бұрын
Good video Ian
@kimkastersen5341
@kimkastersen5341 3 жыл бұрын
Do some more of these videos!!!!
@versoarmamentcompany
@versoarmamentcompany 3 жыл бұрын
Great video
@carbidejones5076
@carbidejones5076 3 жыл бұрын
Very precise ammo too
@maximilianrpm2927
@maximilianrpm2927 3 жыл бұрын
1:30 Gun Jesus explains very complex mechanisms and physics in simple terms that even I can understand. Thanks.
@Robban.D.Jonsson.
@Robban.D.Jonsson. 3 жыл бұрын
Still by far the best mechanism. The cool factor makes up for any and all shortcomings it may have.
@d.b.1176
@d.b.1176 3 жыл бұрын
Another great video.
@rRefuseToSelfCensor
@rRefuseToSelfCensor 3 жыл бұрын
Ok that really cleared things up for me. I Would love more of these! Short and sweet! Also does toggle action effect the odds of a round failing to chamber? From the slow mo footage it looks like a really precise process of loading the next round from the magazine to the chamber and seems like something that could fail pretty often. What do I know though I just an a gun fan from afar who doesnt own any sadly.
@jonathanodom960
@jonathanodom960 3 жыл бұрын
I’m by no means an expert, but I would think that the reliability of a toggle action would have more to do with the execution of the feeding system than the locking mechanism. After all, if it was unreliable, they wouldn’t have had been so widely adopted. Also, the Maxim and Vickers had a reputation for extreme reliability.
@AsbestosMuffins
@AsbestosMuffins 3 жыл бұрын
no more so than any other self loading system baring a few odd ones, the action of a self loading firearm can be broken down into a couple of parts, the feed system, the locking system, and the firing system, and for the most part every category of those systems works with each other, like say a striker fired belt fed roller delayed gun, or a hammer fired magazine fed short recoil rifle the paterson rifle did have a problem with extraction, being a toggle delayed rifle, its cases needed to be specially coated in a wax lubricant to properly extract due to the higher pressures experienced
@dbmail545
@dbmail545 3 жыл бұрын
Almost any autoloader looks very weird in very slo-mo. In a 1911 the cartridge bounces all over the place before it finds its way into the chamber.
@rRefuseToSelfCensor
@rRefuseToSelfCensor 3 жыл бұрын
@@dbmail545 thanks everyone for the response
@DeadlyPlatypus
@DeadlyPlatypus 3 жыл бұрын
I have a Luger and all of the feeding/ejection issues I've ever had were from loads that weren't powerful enough to properly operate the action. If you shoot factory 115gn rounds, it will stovepipe once (possibly more) every magazine. 124gn factory loads will stovepipe once every 2-4 magazines. If I handload 124gn rounds according to the scary red numbers (max loads), it cycles fine every time. I'd assume factory 147gn rounds would probably work fine.
@Miata822
@Miata822 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Always wondered how a luger was actuated.
@rubenskiii
@rubenskiii 3 жыл бұрын
Cool and weird looking, safe but expensive. I like the look it has. Also, on a gun that locks open on an empty mag/clip that uses a toggle action it's litteraly Impossible to not notice it being empty. And yes, not realizing a gun is empty is something that can happen in a stress situation, when u just want to hear bang bang, not click click. Especially revolvers where known for that because almost all the parts will work even without gas pressure from a cartridge.
@jfsinc
@jfsinc 3 жыл бұрын
Outstanding
@mitchwerbell4679
@mitchwerbell4679 3 жыл бұрын
More of these "how does it work" videos, truly educational for my kids.
@max-zv7sf
@max-zv7sf 3 жыл бұрын
Interestingly, this type if action is still heavily used in industrial machines as a knee-joint. Maybe this use inspired the first smashingly successful repeating firearm action, the volcanic-Henry. Still used and manufactured 150 years later.
@rockets4kids
@rockets4kids 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you see you didn't try to shoehorn this into 60 seconds.
@123crafter123
@123crafter123 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly I was just wondering how these work couple of weeks ago. Thanks for the video
@billjacobs8035
@billjacobs8035 3 жыл бұрын
Yes thanks! I never really gave toggle action much thought. But the simplicity plus it's place in firearms history is pretty cool Thanks again Patron Bill Haha 😄
@comfortablynumb9342
@comfortablynumb9342 3 жыл бұрын
My great grandfather's old pump action 22 Winchester opens up on top, is that another version of a toggle action? It was made in 1914 and is a family heirloom. Still a tack driver too.
@brendonbewersdorf986
@brendonbewersdorf986 3 жыл бұрын
I wish they still made toggle actions can you imagine hunting with a sporting style pedersen rifle built by like Remington or something in a really nice cartridge like 243 Winchester
@axelpatrickb.pingol3228
@axelpatrickb.pingol3228 3 жыл бұрын
Why though? What material benefit does a toggle lock action have that other systems don't or do with mediocrity?
@brendonbewersdorf986
@brendonbewersdorf986 3 жыл бұрын
@@axelpatrickb.pingol3228 the Taurus judge still sells doesn't it? How about anything keltec makes? Also the comments was just meant to be for discussion of what ifs I'm not stupid enough to think someone is going to build a modern toggle action
@rrphantom8194
@rrphantom8194 3 жыл бұрын
"Built by Remington" hell naw, I won't imagine it. If remington could not make a decent stryker fired handgun, imagine a toggle action one
@wapniak666
@wapniak666 3 жыл бұрын
@@axelpatrickb.pingol3228 it looks cool?
@brendonbewersdorf986
@brendonbewersdorf986 3 жыл бұрын
@@rrphantom8194 fair enough I was more using it to illustrate a toggle action made by a sporting company
@MFGordon
@MFGordon 3 жыл бұрын
You should have made mention of the Winchester Models 1866, 1873 and 1876, which while manually operated also operate using a toggle action.
@danmenes3143
@danmenes3143 3 жыл бұрын
For whatever reason, the Victorians loved toggles, and used them in all kinds of mechanisms where they needed force amplification--especially where it was desired to have the mechanical advantage change through the course of the stroke. Toggles were used to drive the platens of printing presses, for lever-action rifles, of course, and for many clamps, closures and clips (some of which designs are still in use). I think they were popular because, while they required some precision in machining, it is only the location of a few holes that needs to be really accurate. That's easier to accomplish with 19th century machine tools than it is to carve precision cam profiles. Seems like toggles have largely disappeared in modern engineering. Screws, cams, or even hydraulic and electrical solutions can easily be made with modern technology, and I suspect they can be more resistant to the wear issues that cause toggle mechanisms to go out of adjustment.
@aktexas1973
@aktexas1973 3 жыл бұрын
Always a history lesson and never disappointed with the lesson.
@miketeeveedub5779
@miketeeveedub5779 3 жыл бұрын
Gone, but not forgotten. The toggle-locked Luger will live forever in our minds, and in our hearts!
@oscarwilfredodiazcruz
@oscarwilfredodiazcruz 3 жыл бұрын
Hello, Ian! Can you recommend some books or videos to understand the physics and chemics behind firearms? I would like to fully understand the science applied to weapons, specially fierarms. Thank you very much, for such a specialized channel in firearms. I have learned A LOT with "Forgotten Weapons"
@spoeny
@spoeny 3 жыл бұрын
Especially for chemistry, I can recommend something I found from the US Army Materials Command, google "amcp 706 105". If somebody has more info on the physics, I would appreciate it!
@ajeje1996
@ajeje1996 3 жыл бұрын
MORE OF THESE
@potatoes5829
@potatoes5829 3 ай бұрын
toggle-actions: the self-loading derivative of the henry toggle-locked lever-actions
@brucebaxter6923
@brucebaxter6923 3 жыл бұрын
i quite liked the simplicity and intrinsic strength of the toggle lock. spent some time wondering if it could use a 270 degree recoil like that weird clockwork rifle
@psycopaintball22
@psycopaintball22 3 жыл бұрын
Are the linkages on the luger perfectly in line or are they slightly over center in the down position? I've been working on rebuilding a set of aircraft landing gear lately and there are lots of joints that go over center to lock and I've been daydreaming of lugers most of the time 🤣🤣🤣
@psycopaintball22
@psycopaintball22 3 жыл бұрын
@@808bigisland thank you, I'm an f-16 crewchief
@psycopaintball22
@psycopaintball22 3 жыл бұрын
@@808bigisland no nothing crazy like that, just a periodic rebuild
@psycopaintball22
@psycopaintball22 3 жыл бұрын
@@808bigisland as far as I know, it hasn't changed since 1979...the jets I work on are from 86-87
@dr.sleaseball441
@dr.sleaseball441 3 жыл бұрын
Toggle action is a very interesting concept.
@danielmyers-cowan3416
@danielmyers-cowan3416 3 жыл бұрын
Would love a breakdown of roller delayed mechanisms
@xboxnube
@xboxnube 3 жыл бұрын
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@ernestomejia6545
@ernestomejia6545 3 жыл бұрын
Anyone knows what was the sub machine gun shown right after the explanation of the luger?
@Bird_Dog00
@Bird_Dog00 3 жыл бұрын
at 1:20? I'm pretty certain that's a swiss MP41/44. Designed by Adolf Furrer at the Eidgenössische Waffenfabrik Bern in the early 1940s.
@tdb922f
@tdb922f 3 жыл бұрын
Are the sections of the toggle arranged in a slightly over centre manner so that the force directly rearward ensures it stays locked until it hits the cam, or they actually straight and very precisely so?
@user-oh2kt8lf6g
@user-oh2kt8lf6g 3 жыл бұрын
...and, of course, the Henry rifle was one of the first firearms to incorporate the toggle levers.
@MRFlackAttack1
@MRFlackAttack1 3 жыл бұрын
Could you do some videos that go into detail about other common terms that you use. Like “the action”, “closed bolt”, “delayed blowback”, “roller delayed”, etc, etc.
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 3 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/aero/PL9e3UCcU00TRIeypXC53S8r81DZRvoXmu
@MRFlackAttack1
@MRFlackAttack1 3 жыл бұрын
@@ForgottenWeapons Well now I just feel embarrassed for having missed all of this for so long.
@benjidowning2609
@benjidowning2609 3 жыл бұрын
I thought you guys were gonna sneak in the Luger rifle. I wish I could get some footage of it working
@christinepearson5788
@christinepearson5788 3 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised that you didn't mention the Henry/ Winchester toggle along with the Luger, Maxim, Patterson....
@Alwayscommentseveryday
@Alwayscommentseveryday 8 ай бұрын
Borchardt c93: You just leave me…
@BillRodgers2
@BillRodgers2 3 жыл бұрын
Ty
@jackwhiteside5094
@jackwhiteside5094 3 жыл бұрын
Let's look at the BAR reverse toggle bolt. Did it lessen recoil? Did it reduce the RPM timing to a reasonable rate?
@cytofusion6072
@cytofusion6072 3 жыл бұрын
This channel is why I have so much useless firearms knowledge that occasionally spews forth from my mouth at family dinners.
@maigeri99
@maigeri99 3 жыл бұрын
More of the mechanical principles of firearms; love it. Now I still want gun Jesus to explain to me how the rotating barrel lock functions on the B&T MP9 sub machine gun works....please educate me.
@christophervickers3761
@christophervickers3761 3 жыл бұрын
From what I remember about the M240/FN Mag, doest the bolt on that system use a toggle style lock?
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 3 жыл бұрын
No, the bolt locks into a recess in the receiver. The parts look toggle-like, though.
@christophervickers3761
@christophervickers3761 3 жыл бұрын
@@ForgottenWeapons OK the way the linkage in the system looked threw me off.
@sqeeye3102
@sqeeye3102 3 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know what the scoped rifle at 1:36 is? I have over 3000 of these videos already downloaded in case YT is YT but I don't recall that rifle.
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 3 жыл бұрын
Heinemann.
@sqeeye3102
@sqeeye3102 3 жыл бұрын
@@ForgottenWeapons Thank you very much for finding the time to respond and thank you for another helpful video.
@elfi9003
@elfi9003 3 жыл бұрын
I simply think of all delayed blowback guns as such as rollers; radial and knee joint as degresive springs. But each mecanism giving them the opportunity to be slugtly altered from almost a linear speing to very varying in force from extended to compressed. Each of them tuned to the preassure curve for echa cartridge. Though that is their limitation. They are hard to tune sins the sitt gap where they are ok are so limited. Thus a limited amo choise.
@lhmmhl1
@lhmmhl1 3 жыл бұрын
What is the pistol at 1:24? Ive never seen it before.
@Angrymuscles
@Angrymuscles 3 жыл бұрын
What we need now is a whole line of modern Toggle Action guns in a variety of calibers. Just for fun that is, and just because we can. Think Luger action aesthetics but scaled up to 7.62mm x 51mm, or even a PCC in 7.62mm Tokarev or 7.62mm Mauser.
@donovanchilton5817
@donovanchilton5817 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds expensive.
@Angrymuscles
@Angrymuscles 3 жыл бұрын
@@donovanchilton5817 Expensive, unnecessary, and redundant in the modern world. But, I'm of the mindset that weirder is cooler. Thus, I would really want one.
@HPYB
@HPYB 3 жыл бұрын
Toggle action is definitely my favourite.
@g24thinf
@g24thinf 3 жыл бұрын
Winchester 73 is a example of a manual toggle lock system.
@HellbirdIV
@HellbirdIV 3 жыл бұрын
Question! Why is a toggle-lock more susceptible to ingress of dirt and fouling than other types of moving bolts? I understand that in practice, the Luger and many other toggle-locks have the bolt fully or partially exposed, but it seems to me that a toggle-lock could be fully enclosed similar to a modern rotating-bolt self-loading action? Would it not be possible to make a toggle-lock action where the bolt has a significantly shorter travel than a rotating bolt, essentially 'collapsing' on itself?
@HellbirdIV
@HellbirdIV 3 жыл бұрын
@@808bigisland I'm thinking in terms of military arms, since that's my interest. Protection against fouling, in particular dust but really any sort, is much more important for military weapons than for personal carry guns.
@jazzmaster909
@jazzmaster909 3 жыл бұрын
*Excited Adolf Furrer Noises*
@SuperDerfmaster
@SuperDerfmaster 3 жыл бұрын
Until this video I hadn't heard of toggle action.
@ALRinaldi
@ALRinaldi 3 жыл бұрын
Would the Beretta 92 action be considered a form of toggle action? What is it; just a short recoil locking block action?
@SlavicCelery
@SlavicCelery 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, short recoil dropping block action. "Pretty much inspired" by the P38. The Vz.58 uses a similar dropping block to lock a rifle.
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