Former All Black Justin Marshall Reviews New Zealand's' Tense 24-17 Win Over England

[@korocam9137]

Reiko has been great for NZ in the past, right now however his form is not where he would want it to be. Bill Proctor however is in the form of his life and his combination with Jordy is very strong, he’s a better distributor, defender and has better feet than Reiko at the moment.

[@unclejezza]

Bro 100% - the ‘Reiko at centre’ experiment has run its course. Billy is a specialist (and more traditional) centre in the form of his life.

[@dishanjohn357]

If there was one who had poor game is was Reece and not Reiko the English defense disrupts attacking teams, the ABs were under pressure all game yet made some good decisions at critical points which won they the game. Well Beauden was exceptional

[@Olivierstreet]

Rieko was only ever great on the wing! He realistacally never gets picked over any on the top 3 teams' 13. Infact, I'm struggling to name a centre I'd pick him over, in the Rugby championship, possibly even NZ super rugby sides.

[@lewiswilliams227]

Hes a 11 not a 13 fozzy ruined him

[@rob-nz6342]

I am happy with the results. Got a series win against a team that came down to NZ gunning for the ABs. Reasonable start for the new coaching group. I think we will be able to fairly assess this new coaching group later in the year when they play England in Twickenham. We can the look back at these two tests and assess if progress has been made through the season.

[@whakatane6298]

They're an English side that beat Ireland and just lost to France, and you ask if they are a good English side ffs. Will Jordan and Roigard will make this Allblacks team great.

[@virgboogie]

In saying that big question marks over our locks/locking combinations. SA, France & Ireland will see potential weaknesses in our forward pack when we come to play them later in the year. Can't rely on the talent in our backline to get us over the line.

[@tvpc3194]

they lost fiji too

[@thedappercook]

These are just media questions you ask

[@goldenak25]

Agree Rogaird and Jordan will be key in setting up play, still missing good couple of locks and a 6 to take their role, not convinced on DMac locking in 10 yet either... He probably will get this season to prove it. Christie at 9 is still a worry being slow off the ruck, hoping TJ is back next week and Ratima continues off the bench untill roigard is back. Perefeta has been decent at fullback but still want a Jordan coached by Razor to be our test 15.

[@patrickgrogan3578]

Our scrum dismantled England on the weekend and look at bench front row came,we will only get better come end of year tour ​@virgboogie

[@KanineMinor94]

Fellow armchair critic here 🤣 Rieko isn't a natural centre and lacks the instincts best suited to unlock the true potential of this ABs' backline. He's great defensively but still reckon the backline would be better served with players with a "craftier" skillset a la Conrad Smith to balance well with Jordie's crashball role. Wish Razor had the courage to put him back on the wing where he could again be at his potent best. Both ALB and Proctor are brilliant 13 exponents that aren't afraid to "pull the trigger" in many facets of the game - it does seem as though their more audacious playing styles lend themselves more to the postion. Again this isn't a knock on Rieko, obviously he's done a solid job at 13 so far. It's just a discussion of how he could be best utilised as well as a better optimised midfield pairing.

[@ryansmith2553]

Sorry but you can’t be serious saying Rieko is ‘great defensively’. He consistently falls off tackles.

[@KanineMinor94]

@@ryansmith2553 just gonna have to agree to disagree with you on that

[@Tom_McMurtry]

Reiko is great defensively. On attack he's been doing the hard yards well, but seems to not have much vision. ALB is too slow however for attack I think even if he tries. Proctor looks the goods but of course needs time in the saddle.

[@gordonpengelly3592]

reiko has never been a 13, dose couple things in a test, allwayz out position on defence, upsets the backs defence patterns, we had 4 soft trys out wide, i dont recal that many in 2 tests.

[@davidyardley512]

We butchered a clear try through poor decision making. Our lineout was dysfunctional for a period of the game. Our wingers were out played by the English. However, we blooded a new halfback to test rugby, recovered from a 13-17 scoreline at Eden Park, and got the lineout working again, while the impact from the bench was immense - probably the biggest momentum changing use of the bench I've seen in a number of years for the All Blacks. Not perfect by any stretch, but the English side put in an outstanding performance and threw everything at the All Blacks, so to win 24-17 and give the new coaching group a 2-0 series win over England is nothing to be sniffed at. They get a B.

[@7perry]

But the ABs wingers scored tries that contributed to the win.Thats all that matters.

[@arkdeniz]

Ioane just does not pass the ball. Never has. And he barely ever kicks either. It means he is missing a dimension to his game and makes it easier for defending teams to shut down our wide attacks. England could afford to narrow the field knowing that by having a non-distributing centre we narrow it ourselves.

[@clarke1319]

Thefein lies much of the problem. NZ players generally don't kick. Only a few have the skill. Couple of comparisons. Compare Telea to Reece. Telea never kicks . Attack or defence. Reece made two huge defensive kicks relieving pressure at Dunedin and Auck. Sylvia Brunt yesterday twice displaying how effective a well executed kick behind the defence can be.

[@Cruzzzerblk]

❤Dont be fooled. This England side came to NZ to play finals footy. That is the way top 4 teams will play each other. Our kicking game from 9 and 10 got to improve. Ruck speed need attention for quick ball.

[@lewiswilliams227]

I like justin marshall as a analysis hes not scared to say the truth what the all blacks need to hear

[@LegendaryWizball]

We desperately need taller locks. We need Josh Lord 205cm, Sam Darry 203cm and when eligible Fabian Holland 204cm to step up. We can then move Scooter to 6 where we are weak. He’s 197cm which is short for a lock but ideal at 6. Finau hasnt stamped his mark on the jersey.

[@coolkidandew]

best lock in both tests is 195, having taller lock doesn't translate to better lineout

[@kainoizking]

Finau’s had like 3 tests bro cmon 😂

[@Buster62]

Agree...we need some tall timber that is young enough to develop over the next 3 years. Lord and Darry fit the bill. Holland needs more time to prove himself at super rugby level and see if he has a big enough engine for test footie. Assuming Darry plays well for the NZ 15 he should be brought into the AB camp for the rugby championship in the place of one prop or a loosie. Paddy gets through a lot of work but does not have the muscle at test level to monster world class opposition. As for the loosies...we do not have the right balance there. Ardie needs to be moved back to onside flanker and Blackadder tried at offside or 8...he was awesome at blindside before his injuries. Try Dalton or Sititi at 8 and put Finau and Jacobson on the bench. Finlay Christie may be good on defense but he is slow at clearing the pill. He hesitates, double pumps, and telegraphs his intentions. We need Roigard back and an instinctive scrummie with a fast clearance like Cortez Ratima. Another one that needs to be sidelined is Rieko. ALB and Billy Proctor can defend just as well but have the vision for space, awareness of those either side of them, and pass (both sides) that Reiko lacks. Proctor has also been in awesome attacking form...which was the original X-factor that Reiko brought and which he has lost. Time to sit him and force him to find his mojo. Maybe try Narawa and Clark on the wings this weekend with BB at fullback and Perofeta on the bench. And while we're at it, lets see how a front row of Williams, Aumua and Tosi go against Fiji...start them and bring in DeGroot, Bell and Newell...sit Taylor.

[@markcourtney2205]

I honestly don't think that starting midfield partnership is the way to go...no real cohesion is there and they've had plenty of time in the saddle

[@Olivierstreet]

Lord has had plenty opportunities and showed ZERO. Even at super rugby level. Dary has been injured for ever, has really haven't seen him actualise his promise. Vaai, was very impressive off the bench. The best non AB lock we had this year was Jamie Hannah.

[@TWOVO1]

Both Reece and Tele’a got beaten by the English wingers in 50/50 kicks..

[@Sunflower-dt6ev]

@TWOVO1 Telea cost 2 tries by not defending kick passes, caught out of position 1st ENG try, didn't get off the ground 2nd ENG try. I didn't see the Reece one you refer to, but I do remember he got skinned flatfooted by the Eng winger leading to the final lineout.

[@HiMom2024]

And England lost both tests 👀

[@chrismcmanus867]

No surprise that the team sparked much better with Finlay Christie off the park… am yet to see a test match where he hasn’t appeared rushed and kick happy

[@johno9761]

Guess what guys? Maybe the other team is actually good we’ve spent so much time calling England shit expecting us to roll them over by 15-20pts in both games that was never happening.

[@clarke1319]

Whose calling that though. People that only watch when the ABs are playing or people who watch rugby from all parts of the rugby world.

[@gmac2977]

Good chat bra

[@rodeo4786]

Nah the NZ rugby public know without any misconception just how good the red roses are so the days of dismissing them is on par with the Abs aura bs over

[@jsleilua]

Jason Holland needs to man up n give some meaningful mins to proctor, Reikos good but imo proctor could better with some reps

[@sollyharr]

He had his opportunity years ago and didn't do much..

[@Tom_McMurtry]

@@sollyharr Proctor? Proctor hasn't debuted yet. You're thinking about his older brother.

[@sollyharr]

@@Tom_McMurtry are we talking about Billy proctor?

[@ShadricBooysen-se1jk]

Reiki Ione need to be moved to the wing, he is not effective on the 13.

[@goldenak25]

Very interesting how the media is calling this the poorest they have seen in a while, short memories!!... dont you remember ABs vs SA in Twicks last year, or vs the french the start of the WC both these games wernt even close lol... how poor we have done against france, Ireland and Argies in the last four years under foz breaking all number of undesired records!! I think the biggest thing I noticed for the start of this year for the ABs is discipline..No cards (we play like 80% of our game with a card lol) and having half the penalties last game of the opposition is massive. Infact most of the last games stats are favouring the Abs too apart from the territory, the lineout and a bit of rust around turnovers.. Close test match for both games show the quality of the poms, but the ABs having been playing SR style footy all year and this group coming together with less then 2 weeks with a new coaching style that will be different from the last 20 years... I was expecing a draw at best especially with the amount of key players we have lost: Whitlock, Retalic, Cane, Smith, Frizell, Mounga, Leicester, Jordan, Roigard, Samisoni and now TJ....

[@naisyjohns]

The ABs never intended to win the match in Twickenham. They purposely put themselves under pressure as a test, like they did in the pool stages of the 2015 RWC. The opening test against France they weren't at full strength

[@goldenak25]

@@naisyjohns all part of fozzies genius plan I'm sure

[@user-gv6vj7xw4u]

Reiko Ioane is 1,89 cm and 105 kg how much bigger do you need ? Its not his size but his spacial awareness in general . Both ALB and Procter are lighter than Ioane .

[@Buster62]

Quinn Tupaea is 102kg, and has plenty of speed, good vision, and knows how to pass and kick. Will be interesting to see how he goes in the NZ-15.

[@combatheaventv]

Martin isn't on the Razor train but was kissing Ian Foster's ass all day with that terrible record.

[@babu7141]

The problem in the midfield isn't Rieko, it's Jordi - Jordi is the one who doesn't pass most likely because he is used to running it and not passing as a 15. Watch when Rieko was playing with Havili in the midfield - Havili set Rieko up so many times to make line breaks and got the best out of Rieko's speed and power. Also, it's kinda naive to think only of attack - Rieko hardly ever misses a tackle and has speed to get back when others miss tackles......in fact the commentary team on the match commented how hard it was to get through the midfield of NZ. If you're not happy with 2 wins from 2, when the opposition had stand out performances from Smith and Itoje with the only stand out being 20 mins from Beauden for NZ, then you're living in a fantasy world. Other countries have caught up/NZ don't have the legendary players of the past. I grade Devlin as a D+.

[@Tom_McMurtry]

Fair comment. Jordi does have some great wider distributing skills however, but may be worse at the closer sleight of hand. Agree on Devlin not being a smart commentator.

[@TC-sm8rc]

Reiko - apart from speed he doesnt have much else, i feel he's on borrowed time. Perhaps a super sub maybe.... maybe at best

[@hankgoldenshaft]

We’re two games into Razors tenure - be patient

[@intercept1710]

Just as well they have two Puma tests before facing South Africa.

[@leninlawrence5481]

Don't worry All Blacks, we the Springboks also have LOTS to work on. Our games against Ireland didn't go all sunshine and roses.

[@geotruthnz7013]

Great analysis this week Marty, way better than your last weeks effort which was a bit tough for a first test. But this week there was no improvement this in the ball movement through the backs until Reiko went off then suddenly our backs could transfer the ball through the backline and it won us the test. Cheers

[@caesarforlife1663]

Since McCaw left aside from tactics and skill sets there's been no one to keep the mental consistency of focus and mental fortitude of the team.

[@joedennehy386]

Other than the scrum none of our forwards had games they'd be proud of, its a long time since that has happened.

[@clarke1319]

Well there was a lot of defensive work undertaken by the forwards.

[@markthompson7817]

@@clarke1319backs made more tackles than forwards.

[@clarke1319]

@@markthompson7817 all of the backs made a total number of tackles that was greater than the total number by the forwards.? Really? And the numbers were? I want to see how far you will take that statement Mark.

[@Edgycoo]

get rid of reiko. Ratima to start. caleb clarke on one wing. Will jordan to return and roigard. Great team brewing. Samapini did nothing

[@joedennehy386]

No forward did except for the scrum

[@Edgycoo]

@@joedennehy386 thats probably true. Our scrumming seems top notch but out forwards seem to lack mobility. Even ardie was quiet

[@ryansmith2553]

Agreed, Rieko needs to go. I would give Billy Procter a shot, proven combination with Jordie. Razor needs to start holding the old Fozzie guard to account

[@Edgycoo]

@@ryansmith2553 that means we have a ratima dmac highlanders combo and a jordie proctor canes combo. Genius.

[@ryansmith2553]

Also agree re Samapini, he did absolutely nothing of note. Was surprised he got the nod for the second test

[@SouthlandSwimschoolSwimAcademy]

We miss the speed of Aaron Smiths passing game to give our backs quick ball and width to attack from

[@apiadventures3213]

It’s an awesome start for the ABs. Any team can lose to that English side… they are bad ass. Getting hammered by England and still coming away with the goods is seriously the perfect start for this team and coahcing group. I hope now everyone can shut up about this international coaching experience mumbo jumbo.

[@tasiletoa1037]

Lineouts,midfield combination,telea's defensive awareness,perofeta's offensive awareness are just some of the issues that need to be ironed out before the Rugby Championship.

[@dariankrieger4813]

Justin Marshall for coach

[@reframedgl]

😂😂😂

[@dishanjohn357]

What I have come notice is that Marty is a very good journalist, he finds something wrong with every situation, this guy once even criticized Justin Marshall saying that his commentary wasn’t insightful but just speaks what’s he sees, Justin Marshall could find anything good about Foz always got his Black and red eye patch

[@salomiodendaal4473]

Anything positive about anybody?

[@sharkbait6945]

The AB was a bit rusty in their attacks against a very clinical English side but a good defence and well maintained discipline gave them the win.

[@stealthpakfa]

Poor vision cost about 3 tries for the All Blacks. Need to offload in the tackle.

[@rubendutoit586]

Jesus, if Foster was in charge.. Neither Foster or Hansen could beat England in the last outings. Razor did it twice with a team he's had for two weeks. Against a team who was unlucky to loose against the Boks in the semi final and beat Ireland this year. Marty pipe down, your not a rugby coach. Quite frankly, I don't think you know anything. Well you got one thing right, Rieko is not it at 13. But relax ffs

[@johnnymartin3846]

New group new setup bit harsh still beat a good England team normally we warm up against the likes of Fiji ffs

[@InnocentAnglerfish-pr9cl]

Our forwards need time together. Concerns in the tight 5

[@joedennehy386]

Even more in the loosies I thought

[@jesseferguson4269]

Concerns at lineout time yes but we did just lose probably the best or near best locking pair in the history of the game and it did improve in second half. One area of concern for me is how flat footed the forwards are when going through phase play from ruck to ruck. Our 9 passes and only with ball in hand do the big boys start running and nearly every time are getting tackled on or behind the gain line. We look off the pace in that area. One positive is when was the last time the ABs went two consecutive games with the full 15 on the field for the entire 80??

[@DrissZyani-bu5mo]

With Wayne Smith guru in the staff coaching .. sure that Razor will fix things.

[@Colin-ll2rw]

One of the thing I don’t see is the forwards hunting as a pack they are spread out across the field when there is a ruck we don’t hit it with enough body to create forward movement and there for get slow ball too the backs get the forward to do there job instead of standing out wide watching hoping to score on the wing

[@grantjchristie]

Well said.

[@Sunflower-dt6ev]

Foster was shit. The ABs would be 0-2 under him if he was the new era coach v ENG. You only need to look at his 1st 5 tests in charge - draw (very lucky), win, win, loss, loss. First 4 v AUS & 1 v ARG. USELESS. Anyway, it's only two tests in, much ado about much ado. Of course there's huge work to do, as expected. We move onwards & upwards.

[@richardscanlan3419]

Regardless of how we go for the rest of the season, anything,and I doo mean anything would be better than that plank foster.

[@agr7879]

In reality it could so easily have been 2 - 0 England.

[@lewiswilliams227]

Cortez,dmac,rieko,jordi,proctor, narawa,beaudy fiji squad

[@denisrichardson3260]

When razor can raise the stamina level in those last 20 minutes like back in Richie macaw days keep hold of the ball and raise the tempo .. it’s a tall ask as the northern hemisphere have diffinately improved there level ..

[@marksharman8029]

I think I'd like to see: DMac; Caleb; Jordie; Procter; Ioane; Perofeta

[@sollyharr]

Yeah Blues fan over here....? 😊

[@patrickgrogan3578]

Anyone would think we lost 2 nil,it's only the ABs second match as a new team . To much negative bs talk here. Marshall never won a world cup .

[@thrusta100]

What’s the new team bs? Nothing new about them ...

[@patrickgrogan3578]

@thrusta100 yes its called the new management Team. Wake up.

[@thrusta100]

@@patrickgrogan3578 “ management “ don’t take the field! Nice try , but few debutantes played, almost exact same cattle

[@patrickgrogan3578]

@@thrusta100 new management new game plan I never said the management take the field you did dah

[@aar1967]

Good lord, Marty... give the team a while to get themselves together. The NZ public and journalists have been pointing out what a huge changed this is -- coaches & management -- and yet you expect perfection from game 1. PATIENCE... you've got the coach you want finally, now give him time to make it work, FFS.

[@khairilhafizi]

Unpopular opinion 9 Ratima 10 Mackenzie 11 Clarke 12 Jordie 13 ALB 14 Rieko 15 Beaudy 21 Christie 22 Proctor 23 Perofeta

[@johnfox2409]

If Christie doesn't start, he doesn't play. He offers nothing off the bench.

[@tasiletoa1037]

100% agree with ALB..Rieko aint cut out for mid field...try him as impact winger

[@MegaTkls]

Jordie and ALB is a lacklustre midfield

[@johngraham5948]

We have impact players from past seasons (journeymen)now find themselves selected for the "#1" run on side none of these players are a Richie McCaw Sam Whitelock or Richie Mounga its the younger players selected who we hope will fill that role as the new 'stars' of the ABS the Cam Roigards Cortez Ratimas Noah Hothams Sam Darrys Ruben Loves (and Liam Jacks) and theres many more game time will fine tune this current side but im not too sure wether that will be at the level everyone's hoping for

[@chiva2507]

Are NZ rugby players,shorter and lighter than previous teams. ?? NZ U20,were midgets, against the France team. The SNR ABS as well. They look smaller than there opponents.

[@ShadricBooysen-se1jk]

The AB pack of forwards need to dominate otherwise they gonna struggle against the big bullies

[@geoffneal9146]

Razor just doesn't have the stars that previous coaches have had. No Ben Smith, Ma'am Nonu, Dan Carter, Richie Mounga (at his prime), Aaron Smith, Kieran Read (in his prime), Jerome Kaino, Richie, Brodie, Whitlock, Woodcock, Mealamu, Frankie...

[@user-jv3rw1iw9u]

no muscle in the engine room means no cohesion for the whole team ....

[@user-jv3rw1iw9u]

n wot da fk would u know "Dev" ..

[@wayneshilcock3027]

One thing that concerns me is the lineout and how do you replace Sam Whitelock and Brodie Retallick? Again we had superstars all over the park in that 2015 team and have struggled to replace them ever since. At the moment the major strength of the All Blacks is lacking in standout talent, with the exception to Will Jordan and possibly Richie Mo'unga, Shannon Frizell if they come back.

[@davidfenwick9577]

Reading all the commentary is interesting and I would think that it is going to take a while to get a polished all black team after loosing Whitlock and Rettalick in the forwards and Will Jordan

[@greatwhite9428]

Brodie got binned more than he played 😂😂

[@wayneshilcock3027]

@@greatwhite9428 Still can beat the work rate and his vast lineout experience.

[@rodeo4786]

Is the game evolved to the point where the maul is now redundant pick and goes work and can open up opportunity but it's more or less an individual against a very vigorous defense line But off a driving maul remember we perfected it ( class of 87 ) and it could be very effective at keeping their forwards tied in and breaking down the defense wall also yes Reiko is under the spotlight ie performance midfield punch distribution etc But common this England defense has messed up the Abs efficiency and fluidity ALB 1st class servant sound all-rounder and the new gunner Proctor will not find the relentless blitz defense deployed by England any easier noway

[@Ntm.11]

Looks like they play as individuals not a team

[@deanferris4219]

We need to look at the backs coach, they are showing no ideas

[@johnfox2409]

Yes the Blues backline looked average a couple of years ago under Leon McDonald. The same old second man plays that create nothing.

[@WKSchwenke]

1. Lomax, 2. Aumua, 3. De Groot, 4. Barrett, 5. Vaa'i 6. Papali'i 7. Cane, 8. A. Savea, 9. Roigard, 10. B. Barrett, 11. Ioane, 12. Lienert-Brown, 13. Narawa, 14. Jordan, 15. J. Barrett. Bench is Williams, Taylor, Newell, Tuipolotu, Blackadder or Jacobsen, Ratima, McKenzie, J. Savea, Perofeta. Definitely need at least one taller lock, and the 6 jersey is so contestable at the moment. But this team will win every game!

[@nealgarner6431]

Why anti northern hemisphere words come in justin

[@Ntm.11]

Lucky smith came off 2nd half otherwise abs would of lost

[@chiva2507]

Do not agree. Beauden must start,to secure stability,"before" things went wrong.! It"s not that he will be the game saver,towards the end of every game.!! Than it will be to late.!!

[@user-mc5ze3dg2q]

With all the talent in nz why pick 2 journey men half backs peranara. christy and a 1st 5 that runs sideways and always kicks too long

[@troymomma]

Who would you of picked?

[@admy1133]

Tj is world class. Would walk into any 23 in the world, that's why he is picked. I'm not sold on Christie. Would of rather saw fakatava and Cortez in behind tj

[@sollyharr]

We need better locks and midfield and overall smarter players..still alot of dumb stuff once again...England were very good

[@omose8]

Devlin worst journalist in NZ hands down

[@88-V-..-A-..-N-88]

Then why are ya hear listening and commenting on his videos ? I can’t stand the breakdown but I don’t go on their videos and write my opinions in the comment section 🤷‍♂️🙄

[@greatwhite9428]

​@@88-V-..-A-..-N-88but here you are with your opinion in the comment section 🤔

[@rollyjb]

And yet here you are listening.

[@kingoftheworld53]

Justin was a shit player not sure why his opinion matters.

[@user-uy7bx6hd4s]

Again Justin this would not have been anywhere near acceptable under Foster but because it’s Razor you look the other way. Why not call the coach out. The players used their previous experience to win this. Nothing to do with current regime

[@Edgycoo]

actually foster would of lost to this english team. He lost to argentina ffs

[@camwells9726]

@@Edgycoothey actually played some better rugby last year compared to what we have seen so far this year

[@brianingram4709]

Because of Joe Schmidt

[@camwells9726]

@@brianingram4709 it doesn’t matter , has razor got good assistants or not ?

[@Edgycoo]

@@camwells9726 who the all blacks? youre saying without aron smith, retallik, sam whitelock, cane, will jordan, all gone, 9 days prep, we would of won with foster? youre crazy